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AVANGAR +Hobbit +AdreN = top 10 potential
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Norway SlimeThug 
This has probably been mentioned numerous times, but -fitch -KrizzeN and imo AVANGAR is a top 10 team. The problem would be buyouts for an org like AVANGAR, but if I was Gambit I would buy Jame, qikert and buster. No matter the cost. Or, if I was 100 Thieves and Drake i'd tap into that too. They got that $
2018-10-24 13:06
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Norway SlimeThug 
i'd go for a chopper too, but i see him in Na'Vi some time in the future when they fail this event Even if AVANGAR loose to NiP they have so much talent. Combine that with AdreN and Hobbit's experience and I believe you have a top team
2018-10-24 13:11
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World heck9r 
chopper had a few months of overpreforming, would call him a one hit wonder though...
2018-10-24 14:54
#38
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Germany AdiZen 
Chopper in Gambit with jR then yes
2018-10-24 17:15
Who cares 28 yo player?
2018-10-24 13:09
#3
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Norway SlimeThug 
Wym?
2018-10-24 13:12
Adren retire
2018-10-24 13:32
#5
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Norway SlimeThug 
Nah. He can IGL well enough. Although he doesn't want to
2018-10-24 14:35
#6
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World NukestrikE 
Adren can igl :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD? The best joke today. Cg
2018-10-24 14:40
#10
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Norway SlimeThug 
I'd say he is the best candidate in the CIS region right now, no? The fact that he has that much experience, is more calm than Zeus (not to mention way better firepower at the same time.) Combining that with the amount of talent and firepower you get with Jame, buster, qikert and Hobbit. I'd say that is a top team. I don't really see a good arguement why it isn't. But please. Do discuss.
2018-10-24 14:48
The best candidate? We already had a chance to see that. He sucks as an igl and firepower? Did you see his individual performance when he was calling? ROFL... And the thing that he is experienced doesn't mean that he is or would be good leader. Look at freaking gtr for example. BTW isn't Jamie calling for avangar?
2018-10-24 14:51
#15
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Norway SlimeThug 
I know, but i'd say it's worth a shot. Do you really think Zeus is the reason behind Na'Vi being #2 in the world now? Instead of bashing on AdreN (which obv is not the worlds best IGL. We can all agree on that) but who other candidates do you know of?
2018-10-24 14:52
Keep Jame as an igl? He does actually pretty good job and can frag well at the same time... Much better option than adren who already showed that he is terrible igl and can't frag at all in that role... And he doesn't even want to call which is another factor. Navi is irrelevant here but yes, Zeus surely is one of the reason why navi is top tier team
2018-10-24 14:56
#26
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Norway SlimeThug 
I agree, we can try and keep Jame as an IGL. Obv you keep Jame either way. but LOL if you think Zeus is the reason Na'Vi are relevant today you are delusional AS FUCK. two players has single-handedly carried them to that spot. Zeus should've been irrelevant for some time now.
2018-10-24 14:59
I never said that Zeus is the only reason or even the main reason... But you can clearly see on both gambit and navi that Zeus HAS impact on teams without a doubt
2018-10-24 15:04
#30
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Norway SlimeThug 
*He had, imo. Zeus has not had impact on Na'Vi for several months. But remains to be seen when they flop this event. It's definetely time for Edward. What fucking purpose does he serve in 2018? Respect to the legend and all that shit, but let's move forward
2018-10-24 15:06
Sadly agree with Edward. He is actually one of my fav players but the time has come... He stepped up lately but I don't think that it will last long...
2018-10-24 15:10
Adren is terrible IGL.
2018-10-24 14:53
#20
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Norway SlimeThug 
Alright, so you swap out an AdreN for chopper and let chopper/Jame lead then. But we all know being a starplayer and or/awper like chopper/Jame doesn't work with IGLing
2018-10-24 15:02
Well, Jame makes it work now, somehow. Maybe if his tactical knowledge will improve and become more complex his personal performance will go down. But Fallen managed to be top level IGL and one of the best awpers. So it is possible. But rare.
2018-10-24 16:27
#34
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Norway SlimeThug 
True. If he is a rare case like Fallen I would believe in it. Although that is extremely rare and Fallen have so much experience from 1.6 and all of those years. He is doing it fine now, but that is against Tier 2-4 opponents.. Isn't chopper also in-game leading for Vega? I thought it was jR, but chopper sits in the middle. If that is the case, i'd try to form chopper into an IGL and leave Jame awping. These players are the future of the CIS region, together with s1mple and electronic, obviously. That's my opinion, anyway
2018-10-24 16:51
#36
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CIS Exanto 
jr is sitting in the middle and igling, chopper is just his executor
2018-10-24 17:09
#37
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Norway SlimeThug 
I see!
2018-10-24 17:14
Wtf ?
2018-10-24 14:42
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Faroe Islands staxus 
jame igl and doing good. why the fuck adren on igl
2018-10-24 14:51
AdreN_1_major_S1mple_0_major
2018-10-24 14:53
nah they will destroy the team from inside
2018-10-24 14:41
#9
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
why downgrade rofl?
2018-10-24 14:43
#11
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Norway SlimeThug 
Downgrade? Do you see Avangar in the top 30 right now? Hmm... maybe that is because of lack of experience against tier 1 opponents. What does AdreN and Hobbit have?
2018-10-24 14:47
#19
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
they are 46-9 rn 46-7 with full lineup them not being top 30 is stupid and will be after this event
2018-10-24 14:54
#22
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Norway SlimeThug 
O N L I NE. That is the only reason they are not in top 30. And yes, they will be in the top 30 after this event, but going into top 30 and being a consistent top 10 team is two different beasts.
2018-10-24 14:56
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World heck9r 
-Krizzen +Hobbit and we are fine
2018-10-24 14:55
#24
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Norway SlimeThug 
I'd give that a try, yeah. The point was really to get more experience into Avangar and use their talent to full potential. It was never about AdreN specifically
2018-10-24 14:57
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World heck9r 
I understand your point, you have to be aware of the fact that most teams put in one young talent for firepower and most teams are running well with it. So I'd rather remove fitch (26) than Krizzen(19) maybe...
2018-10-24 14:59
#27
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Norway SlimeThug 
I can agree with that move too. I haven't watched a lot of AVANGAR games, but there is obviously a reason why he is still in the team. Do you know if he is good at supporting etc?
2018-10-24 15:02
#28
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World heck9r 
no, I dont follow AVANGAR that much either, I just agree with adding experience is needed to reach top20 or maybe even top10 usually 4 experience + 1 talent works fine example: mouz with ropz
2018-10-24 15:03
#32
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Indonesia segopecel 
Why not -fitch +hobbit? Well actually i dont understand what is fitch's role. why he often bottomfrag among his teammates and still not get kicked? Is he the support player? Or he create good atmosphere on the team(he seems experienced and calm)? Why avangar even recruit him in the first place? Sorry, i have too many question as i dont follow kz scene
2018-10-24 16:24
#35
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Norway SlimeThug 
-fich +hobbit makes sense to me, if they can make Jame's IGL and awping work. I am not sure about their roles within their teams either, but I believe Jame, qickert, buster, chopper, Hobbit, s1mple, electronic is the future. To some extent jR/AdreN depending on the needs, but they are both old and AdreN is burned out, I guess. The point is I believe the CIS region has enough talent to make two-three top 10 teams, with one of them having potential of a stable top 3 (current Na'Vi is not a stable team and will flop any minute. It's time for Edward and potentially Zeus to move forward and retire) And to delusional users saying Na'Vi are stable: 60% of their forcebuys = W. And they forcebuy A LOT. Why? Because of s1mple and electronic. The latter are also close to being the sole reason they are lingering in top 3 in the world, which says a lot.
2018-10-24 17:06
#14
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Russia anime_is_gay 
dont ruin avangar like that pls
2018-10-24 14:52
#39
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Russia yuko^^ 
new cis superteam incoming lollipop21k adren h0bbit cyberfocus railway
2018-10-24 17:19
#41
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Russia sosi 
cyberfocus lollipop21k railway(chto eto takoe?) adren 3 otigrannih cheloveka nice komanda
2018-10-24 17:23
#42
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Russia yuko^^ 
this is international site dolbaeb. btw railway is the promising igl hltv.org/stats/players/matches/14161/RAi..
2018-10-24 17:25
they are already btw
2018-10-24 17:20
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