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school system fkd?
Spain alexdelarge 
imagine if school actually helped kids identify their strenght and talents from a young age and growing their skills over the 12 years instead of letting them waste their life and follow the same routine like some little sheep and leave them confused and desperate after school is done cuz they dont know wtf they wanna do.
2018-11-07 09:55
you have just described the perfect worker for a capitalist economy
2018-11-07 09:57
wouldn't it be the opposite way?
2018-11-07 09:59
what elite would voluntarily produce masses of people with knowledge, political perspective and critical thinking skills? a very stupid elite for sure.
2018-11-07 10:08
what does capitalism or the elite even matter if u work a job u actually enjoy and have passion for? i would crack open coconuts on hawai 24 hours a day even if its unpaid.
2018-11-07 10:10
#16
apEX | 
France LaBaNaN 
Some jobs are trash, and no one will ever enjoy doing it. They want you to produce smtg, they don't care if you enjoy or no. Sad reality
2018-11-07 10:26
capitalism needs someone to produce our smartphones for 5 bucks a day in order to continue. in light of that fact, what percentage of human population can realistically expect to get a dream job? the sole concept of "job" is disturbing, because there isn't an activity on this planet a human could genuinely enjoy doing 8-10h a day for 40 years straight, unless he dull af or mentally challenged. besides, with our tech. capabilities it would take us 2-4h hours to fullfill basic needs for everyone, so where does half of our awake time go?
2018-11-07 10:48
well most jobs, especially "dream jobs", are not the same activitiy over and over but working on a project where you have multiple ways to approach the problem and different stuff to do. also you can change your job by getting into a better position or just changing in a more or less related field to do entirely different stuff. i dont think that the concept of job is disturbing at all
2018-11-10 12:44
nice fairy tale story, why don't you look around and see actual work conditions around the globe
2018-11-10 12:55
man i told you a dream job would be like i described. also, extremely bad jobs are of course just one task over and over and over but they are not common in the developed world
2018-11-10 16:24
you are a deeply indoctrinated specimen. have you ever done anything out of pure joy, or learned anything out of pure interest? because that's what i want to be doing during the day. whoring my psychophysical capabilities for a wage is something else. if you talk to people most of them will agree that "real life" begins after work, and having a job doesn't count as "having a life". the concept of job is disturbing.
2018-11-10 17:48
>deeply indoctrinated specimen my point is that most jobs are not the same task over and over. to what extend a job has variety is debatable, ok, but i think we both dont have enough knowledge about "the average job" to be able to make a correct and empirical claim. >have you ever done anything out of pure joy, or learned anything out of pure interest? of course i have. there were multiple subjects in school i was very interested in. getting general knowledge hovewer is not achiveable if you only learn what you want to. i may hate maths but i need it for stuff i like, eg astronomy. >if you talk to people most of them will agree that "real life" begins after work, and having a job doesn't count as "having a life". >the concept of job is disturbing. is there an alternative to the current system that you would agree with?
2018-11-11 00:01
with you it's like talking to a cow or a brick wall, and i'll be damned if i get pulled into another useless discussion
2018-11-11 13:11
what the fuck? forget the whole discussion and just show me an alternative to the "job system" we have right now. why do you just keep insulting me instead of answering?
2018-11-11 20:52
Dont know which country you live, but at least here those are the basic building blocks for our school system. But the problem is of course that not all kids learn the same way and it is very hard to have personalized schooling for every individual. Our system is very good I think at "leaving nobody behind", but it doesnt support the most talented in the same way to be even better. All in all it is impossible to force some knowledge and critical thinking on people if they are unwilling to learn, I think there is a huge shift also in how kids are parented and thats one reason why they are so lost.
2018-11-07 10:22
what brochure are you reading this from
2018-11-07 10:48
+1
2018-11-07 13:36
Well its just my opinion after going through the whole system from elementary school to university and adding several years of work experience on top of that. Many countries have problems in school systems, and Finland is of course not perfect, but the overall idea of "elite controlling the public through school" is just something people say when they have no idea what they are talking about. Usually some non-educated conspiracy nut on youtube, and their followers are "wannabe critical thinking" 17 yo punks who think those ideas are somehow radical and thus cool.
2018-11-07 19:04
well "just your opinion" is naive and uninformed
2018-11-08 08:48
"Uninformed and naive". My opinion is based on observation through out the whole system. Why dont you tell me something you have come up to support your view, preferably something you didnt learn from a youtube video? :D
2018-11-08 22:13
century long church monopoly over education had nothing to do with their feudal priviliges, and implementation of public schooling had nothing to do with the expanding industrial economy. right. have you made it through high school, my son?
2018-11-09 09:57
Like I said I have gone through the system from elementary school to university and been working in a c-level position for several years. To talk about "school system" as a general world wide thing is already retarded. Of course there is history. As said different times have had different needs from the general work force. Then again higher education (even if limited) has always been available for the ones looking for it. In history how ever it has been difficult to achieve higher education due to socioeconomic status (or being a woman). As the world has changed from industrial revolution so has the school system (at least in the Scandinavia, cant really talk about others as I have no experience outside). In modern society there is no longer need for such dull factory workers. To grow our GDP we need (and I do hate the word) innovators. We need people who can think outside the box and solve complex problems. Thus our school system is adapted to produce people with knowledge of multiple subjects and critical thinking. This include understanding of not only language skills, math skills and science in general, but also philosophy, politics and arts. You can of course claim that all information is somehow controlled by some super conspiracy, but if you have stepped inside university or know anybody who is actually working in any field of research you would know that to be untrue. As I said my opinion is only based on my experience, which is Finlands school system, but at least here the whole pre-school, elementary school and high school system is aiming for students to get higher education and as it is free and accessible for everybody it is no longer limited by such socioeconomic barriers as in the past. And no not everybody needs or can be a scientist or researcher, but there is also variety of higher education opportunities in Universities of applied sciences. Summa summarum, to say that the school system is built to control or limit the knowledge of people is utter bullshit. At least in this country. Ps. You shouldn't call people twice your age "son".
2018-11-09 11:37
i never claimed school was built by some illuminati group to control our minds, my point is that's also built to produce functioning members of society, therefore people who are going to conform with the norms, expectations and ways of conduct of the established system. education is one of the essential tools of systemic reproduction so every elite has a keen interest in the young - and that's pretty much all i have to prove. bottom line is you don't really know what the fuck you're talking about and if you wish to continue this discussion and not look like a deranged teenager, i suggest you start by googling hidden curriculum. it is evident you're not above 20. if you are then god help you. now stop with the essays because they're too painful to read.
2018-11-09 11:46
First of all I gave you an example of hidden curriculum in my first post. And stating no system is perfect. My disagreement started with your statement for the goals of the school system that you stated in a way that there is an "elite" that controls the system to make people less educated for controlling reasons. If this is not what you ment with "what elite would voluntarily produce masses of people with knowledge, political perspective and critical thinking skills? a very stupid elite for sure.", then please explain what you ment. As I had already stated before the goal of the school system is to produce useful members of the society, and there is no evidence that people with knowledge, political perspective and critical thinking would be bad for modern society. I argue that it is the opposite. It is the brain dead rednecks that we do not need that are slowing the progress down. I find your arrogance funny. Calling me stupid for not knowing something that you learned yesterday. I have never stated that I have studied pedagogy for example, I've only studied astrophysics and yes dropped out and have worked several years in growth companies. I dont consider myself being in the "elite", but certainly know people who are, and as I said my opinion is based on my observation which completely disagrees with your original statement. Its funny how important age is for kids. As said i'm way older than you think, and when you actually grow up you realize how stupid you look :D Drop the arrogance and try to state your case, it doesnt make you look "cool" or intimidate me in any way.
2018-11-09 19:37
clearly im talking to a healthy, well informed individual worthy of having a conversation with. that's the second essay i didn't read. you don't seem to be comprehending the words that i'm saying, so i will try to answer you in finnish. mita jari haakkinen sami jusi raikkonnen matti hautamekki perkele latvala makarainen.
2018-11-10 11:27
To be honest nothing in your comment makes any sense. You complain that I dont comprehend what you are saying and at the same time boast about not reading my comment, so which one is it? I know it is hard to actually have a conversation online, but I have agreed on many of your points, which you seem to not have acknowledged at all, I have clarified my statement and where I disagreed with you, and all you can come up is general insults. Yea I must be crazy to think that one could actually talk about issues instead of just shooting random claims and then start calling everybody who doesnt agree completely an idiot.
2018-11-10 11:45
tell me why don't young people have an alternative to capitalism? why do they belive it's the only system possible, even though it's de facto enviromentally unsustainable, has caused colonialism with genocide and 2 world wars? is it because the school built them into well informed, critical indivuduals, capable if "thinking outside the box"? what you're saying is laughably absurd; if the school is meant to produce functioning members of a certain system, the information it conveys and the way it does it, is by defiinition going to be biased, unwholesome and ideological. and you would recognize if you ever did an ounce of reading on your own.
2018-11-10 12:26
You still need to cover all of you actual points with useless ad hominem arguments, just drop it. I would disagree that young people dont have alternative to capitalism. At least in our department at the uni, it was very leftist in ideology. It was those young people who were voting for Bernie in the last us election, so I think there are alternatives and its good. But when you talk about alternatives to capitalism it sound very black and white, like there was an easy fix. Yes in capitalistic system the economic growth and progress is a lot faster, but it leaves a lot of responsibility to the market to drive it in right direction. In theory the market decides, which sounds good, but as the market is the public and people are generally stupid it needs to be forced by law to go into certain direction. And as the market is not really the driver, we have not really seen a completely capitalistic system, and I could argue it is not even possible. Well if the capitalistic ideology is in general based on economic freedom, the socialist ideology is about the people. We should make sure everybody has enough. So in the extreme left you would find communism with no economic freedom and state ownership. Which either has not been really tested with good intentions. Most scandinavian countries are somewhere in the middle with social democratic systems, I think it still needs a lot of fine tuning, but I do assume (correct if i'm wrong) that it is still capitalistic by your standard? So when talking about alternatives what type of system do you have in mind? Is it something that is achievable by political actions with the current system or something totally different, more utopian like the venus project?
2018-11-10 13:36
covering my points with adhominem? your replies consist of 4 integral parts, one is talking about your suposed life experiences, second is adhominem about my arrogance and third is putting words in my mouth. the 4th part is concentrated amounts of bullshit combined in lenghty replies that make it impossible for me to reply substantively, especially since you clearly don't even understand the words you're using, like capitalism communism "social democratic systems" (lmfao) ideology and economic freedom. now, after 10 years of debating morons i know a waste of time when i see one. good bye.
2018-11-10 13:56
haha wadafak you two actually try to debate on hltv
2018-11-10 16:26
Not really :D That was never happening. Just tried to get a guy to actually back up his bullshit claims. But of course he cant.
2018-11-11 17:47
are you a neoliberalist? do you want to deconstruct capitalism??
2018-11-07 18:47
+1 There is a reason if capitalists lobby as much as they can to let children works the earlier possible. And what better way than forming them to a specific work asap?
2018-11-11 13:13
The school system was created for one reason, to make you an obedient factory worker. i totally agree for the rest yas kids need to start dreaming again and not just do the first thing they get to shuffle money.
2018-11-07 09:59
#57
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Portugal Zedonp 
unless ur born with extreme capability's or with alot of money being an obedient factory worker for some years is the only way u have to fullfill ur life eventually. U can always do what u enjoy/follow ur dreams later after u have ur basic needs reached. Just don't forget what u like and strive for a better future. The first years after school are always the most trash ones, sadly we also waste our youths in the mean time, but what can u change at that point? my hope is that people in my country will actually have a change of mentality and we can make it alot better sooner or later.
2018-11-10 13:51
Dont be mad. Pass the exam next time
2018-11-07 09:59
I don't think that it's a good idea for my school to encourage my binge-drinking and recreational drug use.
2018-11-07 10:01
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Laos Jardeet 
Schools are useful now to help kids identify their gender
2018-11-07 10:04
pretty much this and to write ur name on a paper for the rest u learn more on youtube and in life.
2018-11-07 10:06
without a goal u dont achieve anything just look around all the sport athletes all the musicians all the actors once had a goal. if u ever have a kid and he knows his goal early just take him out of school and let him develop on his own he will make it 100%
2018-11-07 10:09
#31
chrisJ | 
Finland Motori 
So my goal is to become pro See my profile here in five years
2018-11-07 13:00
#66
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Russia skipster 
gl
2018-11-11 13:18
#11
Europe NiQa 
Today's schooling model is still modeled according to the old Austro-Hungarian model of the 19th century, what do you expect?
2018-11-07 10:15
#12
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Finland vetu104 
I feel like I got a good guidance from school towards the life I want to build for myself.
2018-11-07 10:20
+1 basically the school system want you to be AT LEAST, decent at : -critical thinking -common logic -common knowledge then the problem is, some people good (have talent) at something that other people dont have but the school system want you to be good at academic like science
2018-11-09 20:05
School = training to fit into the system
2018-11-07 10:23
#15
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Finland vetu104 
Are you implying that some other system would be better? Communism? I mean obviously we need some kind of a system unless everyone is self-sufficient.
2018-11-07 10:26
rather go back to law of nature and hunt my own food again i will eat hipsters and cops and politicians for breakfast.
2018-11-07 10:29
That is cannibalism my dear
2018-11-07 11:15
#50
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Denmark AircraftPilot 
I would the shit out of you tho I bet you don't even know who hipsters are
2018-11-10 12:37
The problem lies within the system, not the system itself. Also this varies between countries. Schools could do a way better job "producing" really successful people, but obviously that's not what works in this world and you need dumbed down masses.
2018-11-07 10:34
i think the main problem is everyone seeks blame in someone else but the only one to blame is yourself. u can easily break out the system not even that hard.
2018-11-07 10:41
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but brainwashing happens every day which makes it extremely difficult.
2018-11-07 11:19
#28
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Finland vetu104 
You seem brainwashed by the internet.
2018-11-07 11:30
Ehh, no. This is basic understanding of how the schooling/education system works.
2018-11-07 11:33
#19
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Finland Lounatus 
naa
2018-11-07 10:37
#23
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Dominican Republic g8Q0wHY 
I think im gonna drop school as soon as i hit 18
2018-11-07 11:05
#24
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Hungary teguP 
how would you fix it then? Here my parents signed me up to shit ton of after school activities to find out whether i have talent for something.
2018-11-07 11:11
What came out? Nothing?xd
2018-11-07 13:39
#34
AMD | 
Hungary teguP 
I can play floorball, draw and play piano. I don't do any of that today, because I'm busy with uni and work, but the point is to at least try, instead of blaming the system Edit: floorball, fuck autocorrect
2018-11-07 13:41
It was not meant to be offensive :) you are right.
2018-11-07 18:46
#27
BnTeT | 
Australia reeeee 
Are you mad that you failed school or something?
2018-11-07 11:26
hehe just make some pizzas fernando
2018-11-07 11:33
that's what your parents should do, imagine some random people giving a fuck about you.
2018-11-08 08:53
maybe in 3rd world countries nt
2018-11-09 11:48
#51
sweol | 
New Zealand duck0s 
yes i think they should remove schools yes good
2018-11-10 12:42
Idk about other countries but when I was in school I learned all of those things.
2018-11-10 13:41
People who run this place own the text books in all education.
2018-11-10 13:45
#60
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Germany zeolikk 
exactly this!
2018-11-10 16:25
#67
United States koth 
So you want a 6 year old deciding their whole future. Sounds like a great idea...
2018-11-11 13:21
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