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Why does everyone want to kick karrigan ? They have beaten na'vi , liquid and receantly the best team in the world astralis quite convinceingly in my opinion.There is no need in changes , NiKo just needs to work on his mentallity and abillity to close out games and not choke...
2018-11-09 10:19
#1
Slovakia sineP 
+1 Look what happened with mouz. They thought they can do better without Styko, and it didnt go very well.
2018-11-09 10:20
+1
2018-11-09 10:34
#20
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Finland Vkims 
You mean they won ESL one new york? I think that is quite good
2018-11-09 11:01
#25
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Yes and they lost abysmally in Starseries s6. The main thing a top tier lineup needs is stability, something they didnt have with snax
2018-11-09 11:13
#30
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Poland raf99 
they have stability now, they constistently lose
2018-11-09 11:24
#31
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Nice meme poorlak literally first tourney Snax was awful support said so himself
2018-11-09 11:26
#48
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Poland raf99 
Snax is not fucking support man
2018-11-09 17:36
#49
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Of course he is thats why they had no stability
2018-11-09 18:34
#50
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
+1 xD
2018-11-09 18:36
#65
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Poland raf99 
So add simple to FaZe for olof and tell him to play olof's role :D
2018-11-10 08:51
GuardiaN will leave if simple joins. Olof is one of the best riflers with support role, He can awp very well. Simple will be an arrogant bitch in the FaZe all star lineup.
2018-11-10 09:29
#70
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Poland raf99 
Lets take it theoritically. Ignore players personalities etc. Would it work if s1mple had to play dedicated support role? Snax has never played support and had to fit into this role so quickly even if it wasnt his natural
2018-11-10 10:13
#72
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
And that is why snax should never have been hired in the first place. A washed up star player swapped for one of the best international supports. It just doesnt make sense.
2018-11-10 15:13
#75
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Poland raf99 
+1 man but i still badly believe snax can regain his old form
2018-11-10 17:17
#80
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
I arent think that, has never happened in history of pro CS
2018-11-10 20:16
ik that my man i was just replying the god above. He thinks that everything is very simple. And ofcourse i didn't mention all the factors.
2018-11-10 19:40
#81
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
India philosophy classes LUL
2018-11-10 20:17
HahahahahahaFUCKoffhahahLAMEASSBITCHhaha
2018-11-11 10:16
too much NaCl
2018-11-11 15:55
#92
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Turkey Slapdash 
haHAA
2018-11-11 15:59
#32
gla1ve | 
Germany mary69 
mad
2018-11-09 11:26
#52
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Netherlands pewpeww 
They didn't allow themselves enough time to show stability imo, but we can never know what is going on inside a team ofc
2018-11-09 18:37
#64
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Snax said he didnt feel comfortable playing his position so it can be assumed he was not all too happy about it, and that wouldve definetly dragged down the team in the long run
2018-11-09 22:20
every faze player in form > mouz players, apart from chrisJ > karrigan
2018-11-09 11:42
+1
2018-11-09 13:29
#71
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Finland G0Dteukkab 
sunny > rain
2018-11-10 10:17
#83
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Hungary barneeeY 
+1
2018-11-11 10:21
true ! Karrigan needs to stay !
2018-11-11 21:48
cuz karrigan sucks
2018-11-09 10:20
Fragging vise he is underwhelming but he helps niko with calls , drops guns and is willing to do the shitiest of roles to help his team . What other player would do that ?
2018-11-09 10:35
#16
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India Sim0 
why do u need more firepower when you hv Niko, Olof, Rain, Godian
2018-11-09 10:58
You don’t. But sadly rain and olof are medioce most of the times
2018-11-09 11:15
Olof has been decent ever since Niko started IGL imo. GuardiaN on the other hand has realy bad maps/halfs since.
2018-11-09 12:33
#53
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Netherlands pewpeww 
Honestly he is putting in quite some frags lately..
2018-11-09 18:37
#84
Kane | 
Other UknowY 
+1 That's what most people don't see. Karrigan is the first to make sacrifices for the team. Of course that leads to poorer stats but in the end individual stats don't matter. The only thing that matters is winning the game. As a former longterm IGL I fully know this. Most people are just too oblivious on what it takes to make a team successful.
2018-11-11 10:31
#3
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Norway Hokken 
+1Karrigan is helping out Niko with the new role as IGL plus Karrigan know so much about the game and been around the scene for such a long time so kicking him instead of using him as a support player is just stupid in my eyes.
2018-11-09 10:21
He is willing to sacrifice himslef for the better of the team , who else would do that kinda role ?
2018-11-09 10:36
#14
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Norway Hokken 
I think Karrigan should stay in the team, but still. If he cannot be a supportive player and the team has to rely on someone who can clutch and get kills with confidence there is no point of FaZe keeping him there.
2018-11-09 10:46
#23
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Finland Karri 
every support player
2018-11-09 11:08
Nope , support role doesn't exist mate , no one is willing enough to do shit in the team and get called a tier 5 player cuz he drops guns and spends most on utillity...
2018-11-09 18:56
#63
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Finland Karri 
zeus, edward, taco.........
2018-11-09 20:47
Edward wasn't and is not support
2018-11-10 10:05
#85
Kane | 
Other UknowY 
Zeus is an old fashioned IGL like Karrigan. So it's natural for him. Taco got mentally conditioned by Baitzera to do all the shitty work for him.
2018-11-11 10:33
Styko, DeadFox..
2018-11-11 11:04
I think they should keep him. He just wasn't capable of being IGL anymore. He is a pretty decent support player currently and can help NiKo with some tactics. The whole team just needs to find back into their form and they can easily be Top 2 or maybe Top 1 :) Have a nice day!
2018-11-09 10:25
+1
2018-11-09 10:38
#29
apEX | 
France LaBaNaN 
+1
2018-11-09 11:22
#33
gla1ve | 
Germany mary69 
+1
2018-11-09 11:27
#86
Kane | 
Other UknowY 
The reason he failed as IGL in the end was that the team didn't fully trust him anymore. If they start to question your calls and try to do things different then even your best tactics won't be successful. I've experienced this several times as IGL of different teams. If the players think they know it better than the IGL theres no reason for the IGL to even keep trying to call because the players will do what they think is right. And this leads to a 5vs1+1+1+1+1 in favor of the other team. That's why Faze needs to rebuild their team chemistry and to start believing in Karrigan as IGL again. If they do this they can become top 1 in the world again. They've proven that they're capable of it with this lineup.
2018-11-11 10:38
+1
2018-11-11 15:53
I am in the the same boat, i Think it Will be stupid to kick karrigan, and i dont Think the niko igl role Will be long term, i Think that something niko Will get tired of igl role and then karrigan Can take over, and niko Can be Star player
2018-11-09 10:29
Having a 5 star frag team doesnt equall top1.There needs to be a player willing to sacrife himself for the good of team by dropping guns and often being baited , what other player would do that ?
2018-11-09 10:39
star player is not a role stop being an idiot. they have 4 stars
2018-11-09 11:30
You know what i mean idiot
2018-11-09 14:32
i dont actually. retarded comment how would i?
2018-11-09 16:36
Star player as role doesn't exist but in context it makes sence , it is a player that usually carrys and is expected to win you rounds and maps , like s1mple in na'vi for example , NiKo used to be that in mousesports , cold used to be that in LG/SK...
2018-11-09 18:59
Brazil sucks .i.
2018-11-09 14:32
ikr
2018-11-09 16:36
Are they wiinning tournaments consistently? nope. All faze organisation care about is winning they dont give a shit about them beating a team thats better than them. $$$
2018-11-09 10:37
They are improving , they just won a tournament and beaten by far the best team in the world in a best of 3 . Why change now ?
2018-11-09 10:40
#40
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Norway PeteZz 
To win, you need to beat the best. This was faze’s first lan win over Astralis since may. Of course they need this.
2018-11-09 11:53
nice name
2018-11-09 10:41
Ty brother
2018-11-09 10:59
#34
gla1ve | 
Germany mary69 
nice name
2018-11-09 11:28
cuz the majority of Faze fans are plastic fans
2018-11-09 10:48
Well we know that very well LMAO
2018-11-09 10:59
Why do you hate s1mple
2018-11-09 11:00
Cuz it's trendy to hate the best
2018-11-09 19:00
#21
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Turkey Ez4UsLuL 
actually karrigan not that bad
2018-11-09 11:02
You'll see him 3k with aug krieg from time to time , he has his moments too...
2018-11-09 19:01
The most replaceable player on FaZe is Niko.
2018-11-09 11:03
#24
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Germany Constikdw 
0/8 Most retarded comment I’ve read in a while. Without NiKo faze is nothing
2018-11-09 11:11
Lol good joke, those taps make you hard.
2018-11-09 11:18
Rain in my opinion , he is unstable as fuck considering the role he plays , NiKo does most of the work as we have seen against astralis yasterday...
2018-11-09 19:02
#35
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Netherlands The_DoubleYou 
Karrigan's kd rating isn't terrible for a supportplayer also. He's always at 0.8 to 1 lately. If he hits that consistently he's still good enough for a top tier team imo.
2018-11-09 11:29
they bit astralis just because niko have good game... if niko dont play such a good game that what was easy game for astralis
2018-11-09 11:29
Well of course , team like FaZe is highly dependant on star play , NiKo ended up being that shiny star yasterday...
2018-11-09 19:05
"Well of course , team like FaZe is highly dependant on star play , NiKo ended up being that shiny star "yasterday"..." Wrong,Niko is that shinny6 star in like 6/10 games that Faze wins,then 3/10 is GuardiaN and 1/10 are rain and olof while karrigan is playing like a shit in majority of the time and he is in his best just barely above average not even average most of the time,even easier to see that when Faze is getting demolished,he is just bad but nowhere near the Zeus,but the thing is that Zeus is an IGL(even tho I don't know why people think that he is good)soo there is almost no prupose of keeping karrygan in the team over some other good fragger. "NiKo just needs to work on his mentallity and abillity to close out games and not choke..." Yeah,because It's Nikos problem that he doesn't have a 1.5 rating while karrigan even without being an IGL can not even get a 1.00 rating.Never seen somebody this delusional...
2018-11-10 19:56
FaZe Olof support Rain sec entry Niko igl Xantares entry GuardiaN awp - Astralis Aizy Magisk Dupreeh Gla1ve Xyp9 Navi edward Adren electronic zeus s1mple Virtus pro snatchie michu byali snax TaZ G2 shox k1o kennyS screaM RpK/body BIG gob b tabseN keev tiziaN nex North/Optic Jugi k0nfig MSL kjaerbye/gade valde HR ISSA WOXIC ANGE1 hobbit blameF/hAdji/espiranto Liquid Tarik igl since they won major even it was fixed Stew NAF EliGE twistz NRG autimatic Cerq Stanislaw igl brehze nathE Vitality happy igl ALEX zywOo AMANEK devoduvek MOUZ styko oskar ropz chrisj byali ENCE sergej allu suNny HS zehN Mibr coldzera fer FalleN taco felps fix your teams and give an opinion
2018-11-09 18:36
#54
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Canada Encry_pted 
mibr -taco -felps +Stewie2k +tarik realistic idea
2018-11-09 18:40
they are in lulquid pick another one
2018-11-09 18:41
Why change astralis ? That loss yasterday is pointless I still beleave they will win Chicago , xantares is feeling ty , his english is to broken for an eu team , he will stuter in high presure situations , mibr needs fnx honestly , sunny wouldn't leave mous for a mediocre finnish team and vitality is a lost cause , rather get zywoo to ldlc instead of to1nou , rest idc
2018-11-09 19:10
Because none wants niko to waste his talent as igl. Niko has to top frag and igl because one player in the team can do nothing.
2018-11-10 09:43
Because HLTV kids have no clue about the game
2018-11-10 09:46
#87
Kane | 
Other UknowY 
Correct.
2018-11-11 10:40
if they add xantares that would be awesome
2018-11-10 15:14
If he fixes his english than sure...
2018-11-10 16:29
#77
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North America silly[] 
changing roles seemed to work in the short-term but lets see what happens in say, the next six months if they are still title contenders by then, then the roster should be okay with karrigan in it.
2018-11-10 19:43
#79
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Poland Konteiz 
best cod player
2018-11-10 19:58
#88
Kane | 
Other UknowY 
I'm not a fan of Karrigan by any means. As a former longterm IGL in CS 1 I've just got a soft spot for old fashioned IGL's. But I have to defend him, because the ammount of hate he receives lately on HLTV is just ridiculous. Most of it comes from some immature people who don't even understand the basics of a good team. They think that ingame leading is a simple task like just saying A or B and that a real ingame leader isn't needed for such trivial things. They then say something like "Karrigans stats are not that good. Let's replace him with another mad fragger like s1mple and they will be best team in the world easily." Teamwork and chemistry is much more important to a teams success than raw individual skill! If you put 5 all-star players, with all their individual egos and pride, on one team it's unlikely that this is going to work just by that fact alone. They need to have a common goal and they also need some players that are willing to make sacrifices so that others can shine more than they do. And then they still need to be on the same wavelength of thought on how to achieve this goal. And ideally they also have a good relation outside of the game. Only if those premises are matched, they have the means to become a truly strong and successful team. And that's the reason Astralis are as good as they are right now.
2018-11-11 10:55
NiKo and Choke, best duo ever
2018-11-11 16:02
Was long time ago , stopped choking tbh and is the most impactfull player on FaZe even in playoffs
2018-11-11 22:01
Recently, Niko hasn't been choking. Against liquid, he was the only one keeping FaZe in the game. They just need more of their players to step-up at a time. I think karrigan is doing a decent job but Niko can't be the only good player. We need at least 2 other players stepping up.
2018-11-11 16:07
Rain really needs to get his shit together , by far the worst against liquid
2018-11-11 16:46
yeah i agree
2018-11-11 16:46
#97
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Spain Rekto_Plasm 
The thing is karrigan was hired in order to perform as an IGL, if he is not the IGL anymore or doesnt want to develop as an IGL, there are better options both as a support player and as IGL.
2018-11-11 16:49
More time to focus on aim training than , IGLs are typicaly bad aimers cuz they focus on games and watching vods of other teams , if he is willing to improve his aim than a better player is truly not needed...
2018-11-11 19:23
#108
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Spain Rekto_Plasm 
Improving his aiming lmao, he is always going with aug and SG
2018-11-11 20:56
So aim is not recuired for an aug/sg ?
2018-11-11 21:06
#111
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Spain Rekto_Plasm 
ayyy lmao no
2018-11-11 21:06
Kk gotta make sure to start using em since I don't need to aim with them apperently...
2018-11-11 21:07
They all performed terribly against liquid cant blame karrigan for your own bad play
2018-11-11 16:50
Rain played like crap against liquid tbh , if someone needs to be kicked its him , more than anyone , if he doesn't get his shit together FaZe will need a new entry...
2018-11-11 19:24
#101
tabseN | 
Germany FREIER 
imagine having the star player beating the table everytime he dies while his eyes turn upside down into his head. for sure he gives info before hitting the desk, not. niko definately causes stress as well as he is fragging godlike.
2018-11-11 19:27
You can hit a table , role your eyes and tell info at the same time , not that I know what happens at those time , but you rarely see him tilt that hard , every player tilts to a degree if he dies in an important round without any impact , all in all we don't know how NiKo affects the teams spirit so it is wrong to comment about stuff like this...
2018-11-11 19:32
#102
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Brazil choseN^ 
BECAUSE NIKO BEING THE IGL, THEY DONT NEED KARRIGAN, NIKO WAS MOUZ'S IGL BEFORE JOIN FAZE, AND HE AS IGL THEY CAN INCREASE FIREPOWER, AS MUCH AS BETTER
2018-11-11 19:31
You still need a support , 5 stars in one team doesn't work , if karrigan is willing to work on his aim you don't need a better player cuz NiKo can't IGL alone , he needs help from karrigan as rain said in an interview.
2018-11-11 19:43
#106
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Brazil choseN^ 
Olof could be the support, he is so experient
2018-11-11 19:46
I would like to see Zywoo in faze tbh.
2018-11-11 19:45
If guardian retires than yes , might be nice
2018-11-11 21:06
Zywoo can be a secondary awper
2018-11-11 21:47
Not karrigans fault they lost to LULquid , rain played like utter shit...
2018-11-11 21:06
Ya he did
2018-11-11 21:36
#114
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United States Consanit 
Unless karrigan switches to being IGL again and can actually lead competently, there's no point in him being on the team. Simple as that.
2018-11-11 21:09
Wym ? If he works on his aim who else does FaZe needs? He is willing enough to sacrifice himself for the better of the team by droping guns when needed and he helps NiKo IGL when he hits a tactical wall or runs out of ideas...
2018-11-11 23:06
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