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Analysis - NAF is the problem
Other not_bad 
Hello HLTV, Please stop saying that the reason liquid keeps losing finals is because of a player like elige or nitr0. I got all the numbers from the matches liquid have lost against astralis and mouz, and ranked them based off of ratings. Here is the result- NAF EPL S7 Finals match vs Astralis - 0.98 rating ECS S5 FInals match vs Astralis - 1.23 rating ELEAGUE Premier 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.78 FACEIT Major London 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.72 ESL One New York 2018 match vs mousesports - 0.91 Average rating between these matches - 0.924 TACO EPL S7 Finals match vs Astralis - 0.96 ECS S5 FInals match vs Astralis - 0.69 ELEAGUE Premier 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.64 FACEIT Major London 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.52 ESL One New York 2018 match vs mousesports - 0.90 Average rating between these matches - 0.742 Elige EPL S7 Finals match vs Astralis - 0.93 ECS S5 FInals match vs Astralis - 1.27 ELEAGUE Premier 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.83 FACEIT Major London 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.95 ESL One New York 2018 match vs mousesports - 0.97 Average rating between these matches - 0.99 nitr0 EPL S7 Finals match vs Astralis - 0.9 ECS S5 FInals match vs Astralis - 1.16 ELEAGUE Premier 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.91 FACEIT Major London 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.84 ESL One New York 2018 match vs mousesports - 1.00 Average rating between these matches - 0.962 Twistzz EPL S7 Finals match vs Astralis - 0.88 ECS S5 FInals match vs Astralis - 1.11 ELEAGUE Premier 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.84 FACEIT Major London 2018 match vs Astralis - 0.92 ESL One New York 2018 match vs mousesports - 1.34 Average rating between these matches - 1.018 From best to worst Averages Twistzz - 1.018 Elige - 0.99 nitr0 - 0.962 NAF - 0.924 TACO - 0.742 Within these matches, NAF is actually worse than people think he is, and he only really did good in the ECS S5 Finals a while back. NAF is too inconsistent for Team Liquid, and imo he should be the one being replaced, not a player like Elige. TL;DR - Naf is overrated, Elige is underrated. -naf please
2018-11-11 23:21
bump
2018-11-11 23:27
no
2018-11-11 23:29
no what
2018-11-11 23:51
-naf +gratisfaction
2018-11-11 23:30
no
2018-11-11 23:51
#8
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India SK_FrezerCS 
-naf + auti
2018-11-12 18:03
Yes! But c9 is great rn
2018-11-12 18:39
#12
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India SK_FrezerCS 
Obv
2018-11-12 18:50
#6
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United States mibr_need_taco 
-naf +cold
2018-11-11 23:55
#7
Speed4k | 
Russia Shkek 
this
2018-11-12 00:06
#9
device | 
United States toast747 
-naf +forsaken
2018-11-12 18:36
#13
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Germany Thatguy12345 
+1 easy doritos.exe
2018-11-12 18:52
thank u for this post I wanted to do that myself but I had no time for it.
2018-11-12 18:47
#14
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
-TACO LUL +LEM PLAYA
2018-11-12 18:53
They are literally all terrible. Please stop. Case closed
2018-11-12 18:54
#17
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United States fatburger 
Flag really checks out
2018-11-12 18:59
#16
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Russia NOD777 
>Analysis >Copy pasta ratings
2018-11-12 18:57
#18
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Sweden carlssonfja 
Kowalski , analysis
2018-11-12 19:00
green flag was the problem steel & taco next boltz
2018-11-12 19:00
NAF has been struggling for a while now, not sure if his roles have changed or hes just going through a bad run. Hes still a top player when hes on form
2018-11-12 19:02
#21
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Singapore Kyoli48 
I agree with you to a certain extent. However, I believe NAF brings the X-factor to Team Liquid. Imo he and Twistzz are the only ones who can bring a super explosive playstyle that can take over a game.
2018-11-12 19:02
#23
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United States flyflit 
+1, keep the lineup as is. We know this lineup competes at a very high level and is capable of beating astralis. We saw that on mirage which was extremely close and literally came down to a couple of 1v1s. The issue is that astralis is on a crazy high level on nuke and TL ALWAYS plays them on nuke. The biggest issue when it comes to TL in finals is that there's usually 1/3 of their best players that are actually performing at a decent level. Typically its twistzz. If we can at least get 2/3 of their best players, that changes the game completely. If its 3/3, good luck to whoever they're playing against.
2018-11-12 19:07
If you want the truth then you should get rid of taco. NAF plays every site with taco and somehow taco manages to bait him and make stupid mistakes on the daily. NAF even said in an interview that a dumb mistake from taco costs them the round, also zews and nitr0 have failed as igl/coach for this entire year.
2018-11-12 19:02
#25
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United States flyflit 
nitr0's IGL style is one of the major factors of them consistently placing high in tournaments. Watch their demos. He's a good IGL who isn't dogshit at the game. That's what you need to be a top team. (with the exception of navi but they have s1mple)
2018-11-12 19:10
#24
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United Kingdom Dimwit 
But he's better than Nitro, Elige and Taco overall. Just because he is slightly worse against Astralis doesn't mean he's worth kicking.
2018-11-12 19:09
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