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DEVICE WILL BE #1 2K18
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
And if HLTV doesn’t put him as the #1 player on their list it’s going to be the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen on this website since this: hltv.org/news/14010/top-20-players-of-20.. hltv.org/news/13895/top-20-players-of-20..
2018-11-12 11:41
#1
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Hltv needs to keep their criteria or else they will lose ALL the prestige to their rankings/analysts
2018-11-12 11:43
#2
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World Damon1174 
If that's the case then s1mple should be number one. If you're talking about the "best player" in the world there is a lot to consider, and nobody brings more of the full package than simple. If they're in the finals, odds are he's getting the MVP, 100% if they win. He single handed my shaped his team this year and his statistics are beyond unreasonably good. He's an excellent rifles, AWPer, good with pistols, incredible in any position (which he often likes to show off). I'm not sure how anyone can still make the argument that device should be #1 since the only thing they have to go off is his MVPs (which are impressive but of course they are the best team in the world, and as scene by his last mvp where he wasn't even top 10 for the tournament, it's not a ludicrously impressive performance). He also has the best team in the world by a long shot by his side. Please give me a reasonable argument as to why he is #1, I'm happy to listen.
2018-11-12 11:47
Back in 2014 Flusha was also a "better" player than Get_Right but STILL Get_Right got the #1 of the year...
2018-11-12 12:09
#156
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Sweden Maddafakka 
Nice joke.
2018-11-13 20:40
He's right you know, you can even see that yourself on the top players of 2014 list. Flusha is significantly better in almost every category. The thing is at the time the ranking was more achievement heavy, and for half of a year flusha with fnatic did basically nothing. kennyS was by far the most skilled player of the year but he only got 6th because he achieved nothing substantial Nowadays the ranking is more skill oriented, so s1mple ez pz top 1 ranking
2018-11-13 20:49
#161
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Sweden Maddafakka 
I'm not gonna read all of this.
2018-11-13 21:04
I only replied to you to hijack a spot up here u know xd
2018-11-13 21:25
#208
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Not only flusha was the best in 2014 he was waaaaaaaaaaaay better than shit_right F0rest was the bes nip player then friberg, shit_rifght not even top 10 I hope shit_right reads this
2018-11-18 04:39
Sad
2018-11-19 06:45
#278
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Germany (GU 
salt
2018-11-22 18:45
You're wrong. Flusha may have been better, not for sure, but he was far from being CLEARLY better than get_right. Also, flusha was a regular rifler who is obviously going to rack up kills in most fire fights, whereas get_right played the lurker role where he sometimes got only one kill which swung the round in his team's favour. You can't really compare them side by side only looking at hltv stats lol. In the case of s1mple though, it is clearer that he is much better than device as a player. In terms of individual skill I wouldn't even say device is top 5. Device still deserves a #2 or #3 spot because of how successful Astralis has been.
2018-11-13 21:13
He was far better in almost every category, you can see it even on the list HLTV posted them selves. Only difference is that fnatic did not do anything for half a year (without olof and krimz) and won far less money than NiP who won a major. static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-fu.. static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-fu.. gyazo.com/16660a390176c63a7a58386420f63d..
2018-11-13 21:30
Read this hltv.org/news/14010/top-20-players-of-20.. for once. You don't have to @ me after if you won't admit yourself being incorrect.
2018-11-13 23:30
the hell, that's what I linked you, why you link it back, are you serious? It's achievement heavy ranking as we already established, thank you for repeating the article again. Flusha was more skilled in every category, GeT_RiGhT was less skilled but had better achievements with significant contribution from his part in getting them. Nowadays HLTV leans more toward skill if there are sufficient number of results/lans, even if the person does not win the lan hence all the MVP's s1mple got with 2nd place. kennyS was the most skilled player of 2014 in every category by a long mile but he got only 6th because of poor placings. Each year they started leaning toward skill more in their balance of skill/achievements and this year s1mple is far too ahead of everyone else in skill to not get first place.
2018-11-14 03:06
You linked it but I am almost certain you didn't read it because then you look kind of stupid considering what you've replied. Even though flusha might seem like a more skilled player looking at stats, get_right had more games against better teams and his impact for NiP's success was greater than what flusha did for fnatic.
2018-11-14 03:54
You have a reading comprehension issue because you are again repeating what I said and wording it slightly differently
2018-11-14 13:12
Nah you might have reading comprehension because I'm arguing get_right was a more skilled player than flusha as evidenced by NiP's success and how get_right greatly contributed to it, especially against the best teams when it really mattered.
2018-11-14 18:15
#176
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Albania artanmeniqi 
im not saying this because im a nip fan, because i like sweden cs in general, i did since 1.6, but we all know that flusha used to cheat back then
2018-11-13 21:26
#6
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
In what world was get_right better than flsuha in 2014? In hltv's world And now in what world was device better than s1mple? It needs to be in hltv's world again, because if it isn't I'll call their rankings bullshit
2018-11-12 12:16
#8
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World Damon1174 
Your only argument seems to be that because Get_right was top 1 and not flusha in 2014 then now, 4 years later it MUST be the same. Things change in 4 years and in that time our metric of deciding whos #1 or not may have changed. deciding whos #1 isnt just following a script or a code, and I would argue either way for simple or device being #1.
2018-11-12 22:36
ya but s1mple this year is way way way better then flusha or get right in 2014.
2018-11-13 03:28
#77
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Nope, his achievements are very little compared to device’s. Device makes Astralis win NaVi make s1mple win
2018-11-13 03:35
#94
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World Damon1174 
Wrong. s1mple makes na'vi win, period. s1mple turned liquid into the semi finals and finals of a major just from playing with them, then he comes to na'vi and (admitidley after the readdition of zeus) hard carries the team to victories and semi final/final finishes for a whole year. Infact, its actually the OPPOSITE of what you said. Astralis make device win for sure, without device, astralis are still a top team. Without s1mple, na'vi are maybe top 10. Comparing the stats of all astralis players, they are so similar that it is hard to make the case that "device makes astralis win" because even when he does poorly they still win, and are notorious for their team-style game. Your argument makes no sense.
2018-11-13 05:10
#97
n0thing | 
United States hleev4 
+1
2018-11-13 05:42
#113
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India SiduLooty 
+1
2018-11-13 07:54
#121
Xyp9x | 
Other Zyncc 
yeah simple is farming kills because other navi players are not as good as him...but in astralis matches each player has very less difference in no of kills they get almost kills which are near to the average..but in navi simple is the only one with too many kils and other players not even close
2018-11-13 12:22
#179
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
'yeah simple is farming kills because other navi players are not as good as him' that suggests that the players he is farming kills are also much worse than him dipshit nice logic
2018-11-13 21:30
#98
n0thing | 
United States hleev4 
OMEGALUL ... is this a joke
2018-11-13 05:42
#117
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
No it’s not, device makes his team win (7 trophies in 2018) NaVi make s1mple win (3 trophies in 2018 being carried by electronic and 2 MVP while losingbecause his team made him get those numbers)
2018-11-13 09:20
i don't think you understand, Astralis doesn't get carried by any one player, the only reason they win is because they have insane strategies and teamwork, the reason device gets the mvps is because he is the most popular and is an awper. S1mple on the other hand is a hard carry for navi (makes his team win) alongside electronic, they both play the carry role for navi Astralis's team roles are different, they don't have set carries because they play positionally (devve doesn't make his team win)
2018-11-13 15:15
Mate, you are a little bit loss. NaVi wins because of s1mple, without him navi would be top 8-10 team. Astralis teamplay is just insane, if you put another awper (for ex. cajunb) they would still be a top team.
2018-11-13 21:05
Imagine being so stupid you think a guy with 1.35 rating is being carried lmfao. Why stop there, imagine being so stupid you think a guy with 1.1 rating carries his entire team to win multiple big events and be placed #1 hahahahah.
2018-11-13 21:16
#123
Xyp9x | 
Other Zyncc 
it shud be more like astralis makes astralis win simple is carrying navi and other players let simple farm kils just because they are not good enough as simple
2018-11-13 12:24
#178
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Albania artanmeniqi 
EXCUSE ME WHAT THE FUCK ? its the opposite, s1mple makes NAVI win, not NAVI > s1mple
2018-11-13 21:28
#157
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Sweden Maddafakka 
GTR is the GOAT.
2018-11-13 20:40
#239
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Singapore Ndev0r 
one of the GOATs
2018-11-18 15:23
#17
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North America YungKDP 
he isnt a team player who plays for his stats.
2018-11-12 22:54
#19
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World Damon1174 
How can you ever make this assumption? If you have the best player on the world in your team, of course you're gonna put him in positions so that he can succeed and get kills. We aren't part of na'vi so we dont know whether he's doing what he's supposed to be doing but he is most certainly a team player and often just flat out wins na'vi rounds with his clutches or picks. The thing that makes him so viable is his flexibility because you can put him anywhere with anything and he'll succeed. Even if he does play for stats its still evident that (skill wise at least) he is the best player in the world.
2018-11-12 22:57
#21
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North America YungKDP 
doesnt matter if you get kills if your team doesnt win.
2018-11-12 23:08
#22
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United States SilveryoHD 
but the have won
2018-11-12 23:10
#25
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North America YungKDP 
they're inconsistent. a good team is consistent.
2018-11-12 23:14
#42
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Fan of Clou9 OMEGALUL and talking about consistency
2018-11-12 23:41
#61
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United States SilveryoHD 
+1
2018-11-13 00:30
#64
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North America YungKDP 
never said c9 was consistent (they're fucking trash now, major was a fluke) i was saying na'vi is inconsistent due to s1mple.
2018-11-13 02:09
#65
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Fan of Cloud9 OMEGALUL and talking about consistency
2018-11-13 02:22
#67
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North America YungKDP 
Really only a fan of them cause NA pride
2018-11-13 03:07
#91
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Brazil morFeux 
u have no argument so u attack the speaker, and worse, with a total nonsense argument. if u cant figure it, besides pathetic ure idiot.
2018-11-13 05:00
#96
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Fan of Cloud9 OMEGALUL and talking about consistency
2018-11-13 05:14
#99
n0thing | 
United States hleev4 
calm down buddy
2018-11-13 05:43
"na'vi is inconsistent due to s1mple" . wtf, simple is the highest rated player in all matches = Inconsistent?? nt
2018-11-13 05:45
#130
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North America YungKDP 
Because he plays for kills. consistent player does not always mean consistent team.
2018-11-13 15:54
lol he is supposed to, he is the hard carry
2018-11-13 20:23
#181
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Albania artanmeniqi 
s1mple most of the time needs to play as an entry fragger because no one has better aim than him, you can see in pistols example why they give him the p250, because he delivers, but i guess sure He PlAyS fOr KiLlS, i bet youre a matchmaking player
2018-11-13 21:33
Idiot look at Na'Vi placement before and after s1mple then come back. Na'Vi may have been more consistent before s1mple but they were bad. They were literally consistently bad.
2018-11-13 21:19
#180
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
yeah cuz without s1mple navi would be consistently bad lmao youre a fuckin retard gtfo of here with your cancer also go look at s1mple's profile, and see his matches. most consistently good player ever
2018-11-13 21:33
#184
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North America YungKDP 
theres a reason astralis is #1 and na'vi isnt star player fragger < well balanced team
2018-11-13 21:52
#187
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United States Jammin800k 
S1mple doesnt own navi though hes not the one making changes to the team. But hes playing csgo better than any other player right now and all the metrics point to being #1
2018-11-13 22:07
#205
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North America YungKDP 
fair argument I just think the #1 player should play for their team.
2018-11-14 15:54
#207
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United States Jammin800k 
You clearly dont understand the game if you're making that argument. Navi play around s1mple because hes their best player. Astralis do the same thing with device, LG/SK did the same thing with cold. Fnatic did the same thing with olof, NiP did the same thing with gtr. The only difference is that s1mple has a much bigger skill cap to any of the other players and especially the bulk of the other players that they do it more. You say you want him to "play for his team" well gets the most opening kills and clutches on his team and in the world which is literally unheard of. How could he play with his team more when the system is built around him?
2018-11-14 20:02
#212
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
S1mple will never be as good as olof/cold were at their prime. He’s lucky he has electronic to carry his ass
2018-11-18 05:06
#231
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United States Jammin800k 
But s1mple in 2018 at LAN > any other player in csgo in any year.
2018-11-18 06:35
#84
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Taiwan idoleat 
Talking about teamplay when we are in the discussion of individual player? PogChamp
2018-11-13 04:10
#131
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North America YungKDP 
top player in the world should be a team player, not a frag hunter. i pointed out navi is inconsistent at tournaments (1st/2nd place at one tournament, group stage bombout next) to prove he really isnt a team player and his approach to the game can hurt the team.
2018-11-13 15:56
#132
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Taiwan idoleat 
You can see my other replies below. If you are familiar with NAVI enough, you will know s1mple is not a frag hunter. Seems like you don't know the style of Zeus's team.
2018-11-13 16:06
#216
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
S1mple not a frag hunter? lmao Dude won 2 big tournaments this year being carried by his teammate (also NaVi’s mvp and imo #2 player in 2018) electronic, s1mple is the biggest stat padder EVER Just call me when a player such as Olof cold device would lose as much as Navi lost this year with a teammate like electronic
2018-11-18 05:29
#237
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Taiwan idoleat 
LOL obviously you didn't read my comment. Weakest argument ever seen.
2018-11-18 15:19
so you are saying that top players dont deserve it? a ranking is just skillwise, if we talk about teamplay there are many that deserve being a top player (that is what you said) but the best player (by logic) is the most talented player ever.
2018-11-13 21:12
Inconsistent lol almost every tournament in top4
2018-11-13 04:33
#218
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Onliner 2 trophies in big tournaments, btw when electronic carried his team
2018-11-18 05:31
#95
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World Damon1174 
navi is not inconsistent. They are only inconsistent at winning finals and every team apart from astralis is. Navi have made pretty much every tournament semis/finals this year that theyve attended (admittedly with a number of group stage bombouts but so does every team)
2018-11-13 05:11
esl ny doesnt count because of jetlag :D
2018-11-13 21:13
#220
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Faze was far better than Navi this year, not even comparable /close
2018-11-18 05:32
" If you have the best player on the world in your team, of course you're gonna put him in positions so that he can succeed and get kills." s1mple didn't came to NaVi as the best player in the world. They made him.
2018-11-12 23:30
#43
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
He chose to btw. He always said he wanted to play for NaVi but he should of stayed in Liquid.
2018-11-12 23:42
¿lol?
2018-11-13 05:46
Wait dw im retarded
2018-11-13 06:38
#223
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
S1mple would never be considered even a top 5 player in a team such as liquid where he would actually have to play for the team
2018-11-18 05:34
He won't be considered the top 5 because he is the top
2018-11-18 23:54
#110
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Turkey rivaluk 
hltv.org/stats?matchType=Lan hltv.org/stats?matchType=Majors hltv.org/stats?matchType=BigEvents device is always behind s1mple. s1mple has mvps and has finals aswell and he always plays and he is the reason his team gets those finals/wins. device on the other hand just plays "good" cuz his god damn teamplay is good just watch the replay of 1v1 c9 v astralis there you go. individually device sks.
2018-11-13 07:28
#224
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Retard alert
2018-11-18 05:36
"He's an excellent rifles, AWPer, good with pistols, incredible in any position (which he often likes to show off)" insert any player's name from top 10 teams here " If they're in the finals, odds are he's getting the MVP, 100% if they win." Of course, cause electronic does the dirty work
2018-11-12 23:19
#29
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World Damon1174 
But to the extent of simple? Dunno about that one.
2018-11-12 23:18
exactly, bad arguments, because this ranking is based on team's achievements => best player
2018-11-12 23:21
#32
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World Damon1174 
Not a bad argument. If you're talking about the "best player" in the world it is arguably simple in terms of raw skill and impact. There is no player at the moment on any team who is better than him. HLTV may award #1 to device due to his "overall achievements" but it certainly does not mean that skill wise he is the best in the world. The gripe I have with this is that it means someone like device (who is a stellar awper but barely above his other teammates) on the best team in the world that dominates every other team is able to claim the #1 spot based on TEAM achievements (and MVPS but fair enough when astralis win every single tournament) and not for other contributions.
2018-11-12 23:23
"There is no player at the moment on any team who is better than him. HLTV may award #1 to device due to his "overall achievements" but it certainly does not mean that skill wise he is the best in the world. " Of course dev1ce is not the best aimer or best awp or whatever you say. But this year he did a lot for this team, and the team did for him. This is how the things works.
2018-11-12 23:35
#92
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World Damon1174 
yes he did a lot for his team and his team did a lot for him, but so did s1mple. S1mple hard carried (and still does to an extent) his team through pretty much every tournament, and as an example of that, he is the first player to ever get an MVP when he didnt win the tournament (which he has now done twice) due to the sheer contribution he made to his team. The only reason I see people arguing that device is better is due to his team achievement and MVPS which he has many of, but Na'vi have plenty of achievements as well (such as their numerous semi finals and finals appearances) that were largely dictated by s1mples gameplay
2018-11-13 05:07
s1mple 95% chance of being top1, device 5%.
2018-11-12 23:53
More like 99.9% and 0.01%....
2018-11-13 02:25
+1
2018-11-12 23:59
+1
2018-11-13 18:41
people that dont follow competitive CS for more than 3 years may think Device is a better player, because of his acomplshiments. But anyone who know true CS, knows when the magic happens. And simple has it. As coldzera before, as Kenny and Get Right had...its not something you can put in numbers..its just magic....
2018-11-13 22:01
#209
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
My reasoning is: device makes his team win, Navi makes s1mplen win he’s carried by electronic numbers don’t lie
2018-11-18 04:44
#245
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World Damon1174 
I mean you have to be genuinley baiting at this point. How does NaVi make s1mple win? The numbers dont lie, you're right. They don't lie about s1mple carrying na'vi for the first half of 2018 and then playing as their main star (with elec) for the second half. Take a look at dev1ce for the first half of 2018, yikes. And more importantly, how does "device make his team win". Can you pls explain how dev1ice makes his team win but s1mple doesnt???
2018-11-18 22:08
#240
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Singapore Ndev0r 
GTR played as lurker, and thus makes the more impactful frags, but gets less of them on T side as being a lurker half the time you're just waiting and just firing through smokes. His contributions to his team are immense and thus they won more.
2018-11-18 15:26
Scene, you meant to write seen I think. Otherwise I do agree, it would be cool if S1mple got MVP
2018-11-20 14:40
Full package my ass. He has godlike reflex and aim, rest is nothing special.
2018-11-22 18:44
#55
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Europe xSKYY 
From the article that you didnt read TL;DR Get_Right best player of 2014 because he was better omegalul s1mple #1 2018 Why is he the best player of 2014? Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund was the player who played the best at the biggest stages, contributing to each triumph of his team throughout 2014 as either the MVP, or the best player of the final. He was one of the best big match players, and he especially shined during the playoffs of all three majors, in which he helped NiP reach the final every time and win it all at ESL One Cologne. He was the Man of the Match in all three finals that NiP won – at Copenhagen Games, DreamHack Summer and ESL One Cologne, while also being the undisputed MVP of the Danish event. In addition to that he was one of the best players at both EMS One Katowice where he helped the team reach the final with an MVP-worthy performance, and throughout the playoffs of ESL One Cologne where he displayed the same form. He was also very solid at the third major, DreamHack Winter, in another 2nd place campaign. In the end he gathered a +125 kill-death difference from the $250,000 tournaments, shared-highest of all players, which speaks to his contribution at the biggest stages. He particularly stood out in big matches with a 1.11 rating (ranked 3rd), while it's important to note that he played almost half of them at the majors (16 of 33 maps), unlike the two players ranked ahead of him in that regard. And with that in mind he was the player who contributed most often in the semi-finals and finals throughout the year, getting a kill, assist or surviving in 67.1% of rounds.
2018-11-13 00:02
#3
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Iceland Iceland 
It would come off biased from them since it's a danish site...
2018-11-12 11:51
#7
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Yes, but not only that, they HAVE to give him #1 because then it makes no sense for get_right being #1 in 2014
2018-11-12 12:20
#167
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Poland wiktorex 
this haha man calm down he is not even top2 rn
2018-11-13 21:18
#225
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Yeah I agree, s1mple isn’t even top 2 in Navi
2018-11-18 05:37
#4
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Brazil Botzera__ 
Its work lik IEM Chicago MVP MVP for device insted Xyp9x, dupreeh 1st place device instead s1mple
2018-11-12 11:54
dupreeh wasnt in the running for chicago mvp
2018-11-12 22:39
#38
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Belgium i_am_alexa 
He was and close
2018-11-12 23:37
just read #217 on the news page where device got mvp it was between twistzz xyp9x and device for the mvp
2018-11-12 23:39
#50
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Belgium i_am_alexa 
twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1061765130508.. "Then it was between device & dupreeh, but while dupreeh had higher peaks, they were early on, while in the playoffs he had several bad maps and even the good ones look better than they should cause of anti-ecos" k buddy
2018-11-12 23:56
read the part in the news thread
2018-11-12 23:58
#56
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Belgium i_am_alexa 
Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen, who enjoyed a strong start to the tournament but had Astralis' worst playoff rating, and Andreas "Xyp9x" Højsleth were also in the running for the award. Still right dupreeh was in the race.
2018-11-13 00:05
device stayed consistent and contributed positively in literally every map Astralis won in Chicago. Same as Xyp9x actually, which is why I think if anyone wants to make a case against device here, Xyp9x is the one you should be making a case for, not dupreeh. he was third at best
2018-11-13 00:07
OMEGALUL but device wasn't as well. only xyp9x deserved it
2018-11-13 00:32
#9
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Portugal Dimigue 
Is it today the hltv top20 ?
2018-11-12 22:37
S1mple 1st by far wtf u are talking about
2018-11-12 22:39
hltv comes fake news if it happens
2018-11-12 22:40
hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. funny guy device doesn't have a single stat in which he is top1
2018-11-12 22:47
God tier stats
2018-11-12 22:52
This has never really played a role in top 20 hltv. hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20..
2018-11-12 23:39
+1
2018-11-12 23:47
#70
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Maybe because device isn’t a selfish player who only cares about his numbers. Electronic does all the work in Navi so s1mple can get all this crazy stats, in fact elctronjc is Navi’s MVP (he makes s1mple look like a god tier player no one has ever seen doing all the work for him, while putting up great numbers) Device = winner S1mple = stat padder
2018-11-13 03:21
#86
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Taiwan idoleat 
Logic upside down. That is how NAVI fully utilize s1mple's skill. s1mple should do all those kills for NAVI to win because that is Zeus's strategy. NAVI create a nice situation for him, and he will finish the rest. If he doesn't get those kills for NAVI, who will? If s1mple play in normal style, why don't you just sign a player good at holding angles and positions instead?
2018-11-13 04:27
#114
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United States Jamila 
electronic has entirely vanished in some of these bad placings for navi
2018-11-13 07:57
#226
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
That’s why Navi only win when electronic carry s1mple’s dirt ass
2018-11-18 05:40
Easiest top 1 for s1mple ever
2018-11-13 08:49
#170
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Poland wiktorex 
man, look how many times they are playing for electronic
2018-11-13 21:20
#227
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Watch their games please
2018-11-18 05:41
You are a deluded bad player yourself if you think that is the case. Only noobs think s1mple is not the best player to ever play cs and try to downplay what he does in the server. Without him NAVI is dead. S1mple > Ecovice. Device can be replaced easily while s1mple cannot. Goes to show you the worth of this god player.
2018-11-18 05:15
#228
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
S1mple the best player to ever play cs LMFAO The best player ever won the most and that is coldzera, on every single relevant win his team had he was BY FAR thw best player in the tournament and he never had to be carried to win like s1mple has to be carried by electronic
2018-11-18 05:44
"fan of mibr" /close
2018-11-18 11:45
#14
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Australia BohemianJerry 
S1mple* HLTV dont give a shit about won tournaments or big plays, just status Big example of that: NiKo
2018-11-12 22:50
#68
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
+10000
2018-11-13 03:19
#16
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Romania speaseN 
We will see, relax
2018-11-12 22:53
#18
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Brazil spaark1 
no shit
2018-11-12 22:56
#20
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Israel RANK1_FPL 
device top 1 s1mple top 2 the kd stats are not everything
2018-11-12 23:00
2018-11-12 23:45
#79
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Brazil Allistar 
+1
2018-11-13 03:36
#23
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
Devve is GOD Simple is just Pimple ez top1 for Device sry mate
2018-11-12 23:12
#34
NBK- | 
France uria64 
nt pasha
2018-11-12 23:33
>Devve >GOD Pick one
2018-11-13 05:49
#193
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
Ez4vp
2018-11-14 04:53
rip
2018-11-14 05:52
#24
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CIS mirio 
expected from an idiot b8er. LUL
2018-11-12 23:13
dev1ce will be #2 possibly #3 s1mple won much more MVP's this year and also has better stats than Dev1ce
2018-11-12 23:15
no mvps are in device's favor stats on the other hand
2018-11-12 23:36
#59
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United States Jammin800k 
Uhm no? S1mple 6 MVPs Device 5 MVPs
2018-11-13 00:14
major mvps count for more then 2 mvps to hltv
2018-11-13 00:29
#133
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United States Jammin800k 
No they dont
2018-11-13 17:56
They sure as hell do Otherwise kjaerbye and adren wouldnt have made top 20 last year
2018-11-13 18:30
#118
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Russia damaskin 
also s1mple has more EVPs
2018-11-13 09:24
#229
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
#74 If you’re braindead and can’t realize that what I said is the truth then you’re just a blind fanboy like 60% the ppl here in this thread /close
2018-11-18 05:49
#235
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United States Jammin800k 
#149
2018-11-18 06:58
#74
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
“Won much more MVPs” Device 5 MVPs > s1mple 6 MVPs Q: Wtf? Are you dumb or what? How can 5 be better than 6? A: 1- one of s1mple’s MVPs are from a tier 17 event [CSGO Asia Championship] 2- Device’s MVPs are all from tier 1 tournaments where his TEAM won, unlike s1mple, who won 2 MVPs for LOSING, which means he was just playing to get his numbers higher, not playing to be a champion with his team.
2018-11-13 03:30
He has more MVP's he has much better stats. dev1ce won't be #1 unless HLTV makes him #1 because they are the Danish site.
2018-11-13 15:10
#134
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United States Jammin800k 
MVPs in losses are more impressive than MVPs in wins
2018-11-13 17:58
No hltv cares far more about stats in victories then in losses
2018-11-13 18:31
#141
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United States Jammin800k 
Which s1mple has the highest rating in "rating in map wins". And also manages to be the best player in the entire tournament when his team doesnt even win consistently
2018-11-13 19:39
I am well aware just saying that is what hltv thinks is more important
2018-11-13 19:40
#148
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United States Jammin800k 
So what you're saying is s1mple top1 device top 2
2018-11-13 20:03
Yes
2018-11-13 20:30
#149
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United States Jammin800k 
And no the stats themselves may be more important but the MVP isnt. The MVP is just as impressive if not more impressive when you lose the tournament. S1mples MVP at Marseille is much more impressive than device's (or xyp9x since many think he deserved it) at Chicago.
2018-11-13 20:06
#230
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
You are so delusional 😂
2018-11-18 05:51
#232
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United States Jammin800k 
Its gonna be really funny seeing no posts from you in mid January when s1mple gets 1st and device gets 2nd
2018-11-18 06:37
#171
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Poland wiktorex 
Blast Istanbul> haha
2018-11-13 21:21
Simple is going to be top 1 unless you're too braindead and likes to suck device dick. He'll be top 3 or 2
2018-11-12 23:17
#75
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
I hate device and Asstralis, but he is #1 2018 without a doubt. He has the numbers AND the achievements S1mple only has numbers, because he’s a selfish player who doesn’t care about winning at all, he just wants to get his numbers high.
2018-11-13 03:32
#88
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Taiwan idoleat 
If s1mple only play for numbers NAVI won't win any tournaments. s1mple is part of zeus's strategy. I'm a NAVI fan so I read many interview about them. It is NAVI set him up like that. He needs to get those kills for NAVI. That is the value of s1mple. You can see many times s1mple was sent to get a quick peek for first kill at the begin, so they will be in a advantage of 5v4. And it works.
2018-11-13 04:38
#172
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Poland wiktorex 
you are just a biased hater
2018-11-13 21:23
Its funny that youre actually so braindead to think that a pro team would hold a player who refuses to listen to coach/igl. If s1mple plays "just for stats" that means its navi's choice to make him play "for the stats".
2018-11-14 04:06
#30
NBK- | 
France uria64 
s1mple is clearly the bestestest
2018-11-12 23:19
s1mpel
2018-11-12 23:37
+1
2018-11-12 23:49
#52
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Europe xSKYY 
who let kevin use the pc alone s1mple 1 by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr device #2 niko #3 ez
2018-11-12 23:59
#76
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
NiKo in the top 3 rofl
2018-11-13 03:32
The most ridiculous things were GeT_RiGhT > flusha in 2014 Snax > flusha in 2015 device > flusha in 2015 GuardiaN > flusha in 2015 device > Snax in 2015 coldzera > FalleN in 2016 coldzera > NiKo in 2017 coldzera > fer in 2017 NiKo > fer in 2017 FalleN in the top 10 in 2017
2018-11-13 00:01
#71
gla1ve | 
Europe catre 
LOL, device better than both Flusha and Snax in 2015
2018-11-13 03:25
Yeah in choking and failing in important games
2018-11-13 06:19
#105
gla1ve | 
Europe catre 
still better than alot, 1 hand carry TSM
2018-11-13 07:05
Yes carry when it doesnt matter
2018-11-13 07:22
#119
gla1ve | 
Europe catre 
Not only him played bad, TSM is still one of best team in 2015, TSM that day only scary NIP (LUL) and Envyus. After DREAMHACK Major, Navi became more scary + Fnatic add dennis replace pronax.
2018-11-13 12:18
The most ridiculous thing is how overrated flusha is
2018-11-18 15:52
#263
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Germany zeolikk 
Newfag
2018-11-20 22:23
No, im just being realistic
2018-11-20 22:23
#265
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Germany zeolikk 
nt you probably didn't even experience 2014-2015 flusha
2018-11-20 22:24
I did and big part of community tend to overrate him a lot. So you agree with the statement above that he was basically a top2 player in 2015?
2018-11-20 22:27
#262
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Germany zeolikk 
+1
2018-11-20 22:23
nt XD
2018-11-13 00:09
Try harder next time
2018-11-13 00:36
Did DKTV not clearly express on what terms, criteria and specific stats that last years Numba WAN was chosen on? Start doing the maths if you can bother. If not, just wait and see and then start posting anti-official DKTV Numba Wans as soon as you disagree. See you.
2018-11-13 03:20
Very much implied that I fully respect and hail to any Numba Wan elected.
2018-11-13 03:26
#78
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Other VladimirLucas 
astralis won because they are a strong team, not because device is a superstar
2018-11-13 03:35
#80
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
This is like saying SK 2016-2017 won because they were a strong team, not because coldzera is a superstar Or saying Fnatic 2015 won because they were a strong team, not because olofmeister is a superstar You talk like Navi are absolute garbage, that’s how dumb you sound: calling electronic (the main reason why NaVi were considered the #2 team for the most part of the year) trash, calling Zeus (top 3 IGL all time) trash (he might be trash as a player but he is a great IGL), calling flamie trash 😂 Im sure NaVi would be a much stronger team if they had GuardiaN instead of s1mple. S1mple is a selfish player, he doesn’t care about his team winning, he only cares about getting good numbers, he’s wasting all the potential this NaVi team has since everything in this team is set up for him, all the kills, all the strats, everything. Put s1mple on a team where he actually has a role and he would never be considered even a top 10 player.
2018-11-13 03:47
#81
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Other VladimirLucas 
you comparing device to cold? unfair comparison because cold is a superstar, device isn't i didn't call navi anying, u replying to wrong post
2018-11-13 03:46
#82
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
device isn’t a superstar 🤣 Dude you’re basically saying Asstralis would do great without device. You’re not talking about NaVi but wtf ou bring up Astralis on a topic comparing device and s1mple? Oh let me guess: you’re Brazilian
2018-11-13 03:50
#120
gla1ve | 
Europe catre 
Cold is super star, by getting baiter role :))
2018-11-13 12:19
dev has always been a super star.
2018-11-13 12:30
not a news, with major mvp...
2018-11-13 04:06
#85
ropz | 
United States Glad1us 
Look at who sponsored the top 20 in 2014, Xtrfy. Who else is sponsored by Xtrfy????????? I love GTR and 2014 was a toss between him a vacgodflusha so idk.
2018-11-13 04:26
I know that it is better not ot reply to baiters/haters, but still. Can you prove that s1mple is playing for stats in any way?
2018-11-13 04:51
#112
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
What has s1mple won with NaVi when electronic wasn’t NaVi’s best player in the grand final and having god tier performances throughout the tournaments Navi won?
2018-11-13 07:43
#143
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United States Jammin800k 
All that proves is that you need multiple fraggers on a team to win
2018-11-13 19:43
#146
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
No, it just proves he's carried by electronic, without him he's nothing
2018-11-13 19:47
#147
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah most teams are bad with only 1 fragger
2018-11-13 20:02
S1mple has bigger dick and more alpha than device. Also he 's a better player and all his haters are drinking his cum. :)
2018-11-13 04:52
#93
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. Check that you see s1mple isn't top 5 in literally any stat for big events in 2018, he simply farmed his stats at lower events, now stfu about this topic, Device is clearly top 1 in 2018 and delivers in the biggest events not only on tier 2 trash ones.
2018-11-13 05:09
#107
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North America snaxxieJESUS 
The top five ranking setting fucks up the rankings for some reason. S1mple is the highest rated player at big events this year and it isn't close. hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20..
2018-11-13 07:25
its because he doesnt have 70 maps vs top 5 teams
2018-11-13 07:27
#111
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North America snaxxieJESUS 
Yeah. Not sure if the op made a genuine mistake or if he's being flat out dishonest on purpose.
2018-11-13 07:28
#116
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Slovakia veeellys 
+1
2018-11-13 08:50
Dunno first half of the year Astralis was shit, device didnt even play a few months, he cant be top 1 if he doesnt even play
2018-11-13 12:23
That was at end of 2017 idiot
2018-11-13 12:26
Time flies huh? No point in insulting me, either way astralis was shit in the early year, so was device
2018-11-13 12:30
No they were only bad at the major
2018-11-13 18:34
s1mple already won best e-sports player, prob gonna be him. cold won it twice as well
2018-11-13 12:28
Thatz obvious that simple will not be the first in HLTV roflotopich
2018-11-13 18:31
this thread is just gold to see.. Damon single handedly giving the perfect arguments for u guys to prove majority of HLT wrong why S1mple shouldn't be top1.. and NO ONE has given a reasonable argument.. Good to have u damon1174.. keep up the work and spread the word of majestic Demi-God simple
2018-11-13 18:37
+1
2018-11-13 19:45
Device can't be top 1- He needs to play some more matches, then he can be 2, 3, 4 or 5 and I hope his fans also gonna be happy with it.
2018-11-13 19:45
s1mple just got award for pc player of the year so I think it would be weird if he wouldnt be 1 in CS LOL
2018-11-13 20:09
device is overrated as fuck but HLTV is biased enough to put him on 1st place :D There are other talents who have deserved the 1st place, device is not even shining with clutches or multikills or anything. Top 5 awp I'd say but not even top 20 rifler
2018-11-13 20:33
0/8
2018-11-13 20:43
device sucks xD
2018-11-13 20:59
Thats why he is in contention for #1 this year ok have a nice day brother
2018-11-13 21:19
#173
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Poland wiktorex 
0/8 device fans and s1mple haters are puttng him on that 1 spot ask every analyst who is the best player in the world they will all say s1mple
2018-11-13 21:25
simple is the best player thats ever touched csgo. skillwise. not accomplishments wise. for that #1 spot u need more mvps, more events , and not necessarily the best stats. thats why guys like olof and gtr are regarded as the goats of csgo , and not simple.
2018-11-14 14:19
no not because he sucks, it's because he is a dane and HLTV is a danish website, biased as fuck. device is playing for Astralis who are raping the scene currently. device is always covered by his teammates so that when he peeks, he is covered, meaning it is safe for him to peek (in most of the situations) so statswise he will be surviving more while doing damage. He is great with AWP, imo not the best, he is decent with a rifle but there are WAY better talents with rifles. so now... other than the factor "Astralis" why would device deserve to be #1 this year? Dupreeh is doing more job, Xyp is clutching like a god, gla1ve is a mastermind, magisk yet another insane rifler... device? he is getting killed with a rifle more ofthen than he frags, this does not deserve to be ranked #1 in 2018
2018-11-13 21:51
device is leading the stats for the best team in the world. read #202
2018-11-14 14:21
#175
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Finland sakumaybE 
is it so hard to write 2018..
2018-11-13 21:25
#182
TACO | 
Denmark Doktor_Q 
device good but simple gooder (jw bestest)
2018-11-13 21:37
#185
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Portugal Machado_GTR 
NIP BEST THAT YEAR 2014 GET RIGHT BEST IN 2013 and BEST IN 2014! He made so achievements those years Major Win also.
2018-11-13 21:56
#191
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Faroe Islands Arismendi 
s1mpleGOD is not dead yet.
2018-11-14 03:56
#195
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
Simple and niko choke fan club
2018-11-14 05:06
#196
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
0 majors fan club
2018-11-14 05:06
#197
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
Tilt and toxic fan club
2018-11-14 05:06
#194
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
Pashabiceps top1
2018-11-14 05:06
#198
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United States ItsImpact 
Nt baiter
2018-11-14 05:07
#199
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United States Consanit 
I don't think there's any question that s1mple is the best individual player of 2018.
2018-11-14 05:17
S1mple win top1))) SOOOOOONNNN
2018-11-14 14:39
#210
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Denmark dakkedak 
s1mple is better, but dev1ce achieved more, but its because of team perfomance, and not because him carrying.
2018-11-18 04:49
1 device 2 s1mple 3 dupreeh 4 NiKo 5 NAF 6 GuardiaN 7 electronic 8 gla1ve 9 Xyp9x 10 coldzera 11 Twitzz 12 Magisk 13 suNny 14 ropz 15 f0rest 16 tarik 17 CeRq 18 Stewie2k 19 tabsen 20 KRIMZ
2018-11-18 05:00
#215
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Denmark @Fridzu 
FOREST, CERQ OOMEGALUL
2018-11-18 05:22
1. Simple 2. Device 3. Niko 4. Magisk 5. electronic 6. Coldzera 7. Twist 8. Sunny 9. Autimatic 10. Guardian
2018-11-18 05:22
#217
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Iraq Blitzer 
atm simple 2-1 device Rating 2.0 -> simple Trophies -> device MVPs -> simple let see what happens untl the end of the year
2018-11-18 05:26
#221
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
MVPs can go either way tbf, s1mple has more of them but Device has better MVPs than s1mple does in overall terms of level of LAN, s1mple has a couple tier 2 LAN MVPs, Device doesn't all of his MVPs are from some of the biggest events this year with the best teams playing there, not some shitty Asia Championship where s1mple is dropping 40s against mr.chin and gambot.
2018-11-18 05:34
#221
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
MVPs can go either way tbf, s1mple has more of them but Device has better MVPs than s1mple does in overall terms of level of LAN, s1mple has a couple tier 2 LAN MVPs, Device doesn't all of his MVPs are from some of the biggest events this year with the best teams playing there, not some shitty Asia Championship where s1mple is dropping 40s against mr.chin and gambot.
2018-11-18 05:34
#219
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
I don't think HLTV should change top 1 rank, an example kennyS at his peak (best player in the world by far) 30 bomb every game on LAN, carrying tier 3 French teams in tier 1 LANs against best player/teams he wasn't even ranked top 5 because he didn't win anything. Device is without a doubt the best player of 2018, If they give an award for the highest skilled player I would give that to s1mple even though I don't think he is highest skill but in 2018 without a doubt his consistency speaks for itself, if were talking about aim, mechanics, movement, versatility, game sense, team play, communication... list goes on S1mple is not the best or most skilled player in 2018 he is though because the categories he excels in make up for the shit he's lacking as a player. I bigged up s1mple enough now, Device is the true top 1 even if he doesn't get it, just another player getting jerked like in 2014 ranking and 2015 ranking (guardian was better than olof).
2018-11-18 05:32
#233
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Russia goodjob 
there is a difference between winning absolutely nothing and never even getting out of the group at majors and actually winning tournaments and reaching multiple finals.. KennyS legit just played against shitters and thats how he had insane stats in 2014.. in fact allu had the same stats on lan in 2014.. exactly the same, he just played 11 fewer maps iirc s1mple is playing in a team that is a legitimate contender, a top3 team.. and hes the single biggest reason this team is even good Titan was never even close to be a top team in 2014, at least not with KennyS on the team also hltv.org/stats?startDate=2015-01-01&endD.. i also agree that Flusha should've won it over GeT_RiGhT in 2014.. it was a mistake that he didnt, so they shouldnt be making the same mistake again
2018-11-18 06:47
#234
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United States Jammin800k 
S1mple literally breaks records in multiple categories, is the 1st player to get +1000 K/D in a year and has by far the highest statistical difference EVER between the top 1 and top 2 player in the world in a year and yet people still want to take it away from him. Hes legitimately carrying Navi from being a top 10 team to a top 3.
2018-11-18 06:41
#246
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
Yeah because it's only stats, device also has good stats, device is a big game player he shows up in the important matches, s1mple is a stat farmer he goes crazy in the group stage than electronic carries them in the playoffs (at least in most the events they won this year). He was with Na'vi while Zeus was on Gambit and Na'vi was like tier 4 almost regulated to MDL, so lets give Zeus some respect for making this team work with pretty much the same core. s1mple is a really good player but he chokes in some of the biggest matches this year and that shows he really isn't the best, the best win and the best don't choke, Device #1.
2018-11-18 22:10
#248
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United States Jammin800k 
How is losing to a team that's better than you choking? And yeah they're just stats, but when the stats show that huge of a statistical difference they matter. 1.34 s1mple > 1.24 device > 1.26 Niko
2018-11-19 06:11
#250
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
So if you go into the major final with the highest rating in the tournament, highest stats in hltv, expected to play well even if your team doesn't and you play like shit that is not choking? What makes the finals different than any other stage of the tournament? Why can I not call that a choke? Best player in the world supposed to give his team a chance at winning no matter the challenge, best player in the world makes his team better and often the best, best player in the world doesn't just roll over and die while his team is getting smashed to bits.
2018-11-19 15:06
#252
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United States Jammin800k 
He didnt play like shit, he had bad stats. He made very good decisions, Astralis just outplayed him
2018-11-19 19:42
#254
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
Nope he literally played like dogshit, rewatch the major finals please. Na'vi played their exact setup, where s1mple baits the baiters, he baits flamie and electronic and flamie/electronic who bait zeus and edward which is Na'vi's setup since Zeus rejoined this team which allows s1mple to go insane pretty much every event same as Zeus had it setup for Guardian where Guardian can do any peek he wants cause the rest of Na'vi have him covered from all angles. Pretty sure Zonic/Glav1e just watched previous demos of Na'vi cause that was the most scripted I've seen their game play in a long time any half decent team could of countered that, thing is s1mple had all the same setups as usual but he kept missing consistently which is why I call that a pure choke, normally he would be hitting those shots. Obviously Astralis was in rare form and dealt with the predictable garbage Na'vi had to offer but even the best player should have counter to that, or give his team chance to win he was literally a bot missing every free kill he normally gets and getting destroyed whole finals.
2018-11-20 05:49
#255
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United States Jammin800k 
Pretty obvious you're biased as hell towards device and will say whatever it takes to say it in his favor despite the fact that s1mple literally dominates him in pretty much every category besides tournament wins and that is purely due to the fact that hes on a better team.
2018-11-20 13:18
#256
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
Nah I'm not biased I do think s1mple is more skilled than Device this year for sure no one is even debating that but being the most skilled doesn't make you the best player. s1mple has everything built around him, he literally baits the baiters in his team if you watch Na'vi t side on most maps, Device is just 1 guy on Astralis, he isn't the main focus of their entire game play also being in a better team doesn't make you the best player either but if you're the main reason that team is better than yeah it does. I got a lot more respect for Zeus than I do for s1mple anyway if you remove Zeus in Na'vi they would be back in tier 3 and s1mple would be carrying against MDL players instead.
2018-11-20 14:36
#258
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United States Jammin800k 
You are very much biased. S1mple is taking what's barely a top 8 team to top 3. If you replace s1mple with device Astralis remains top 3 Navi doesnt assuming proper communication. Yes the team needs Zeus but if this team had say hobbit instead of s1mple it wouldn't have won a single tournament this year and Zeus wouldnt even be looked at as one of this years best IGLs. And wth are you talking about "he isnt the main focus of their game" Astralis, and gla1ve specifically, consistently put Device in a position to excel by always having his angles covered and allowing him to peek safely. Not to mention their utility usage is top notch which forces a ton of easier kills for him, hes extremely consistent and smart in getting those kills but s1mple makes the impossible possible. By far the most kills and highest ADR, most clutches and opening kills - which means s1mple is having insane early round impact and therefore isnt baiting, hes starting - and also finishing the rounds off by being the best clutcher which is literally unheard of. Of course you're going to play around the player who is unanimously agreed to be the most skilled and best clutcher. If s1mple was pure entry fragging or in a supportive role wed be saying that theres a clear issue with the structure of the team and the same would be said about Astralis if device wasnt played around. The fact that you think it matters whether or not the player is played around in this conversations shows you have no stake in. Overall performance, consistency, accolades, and THEN success/achievements are how you measure the success of a players year and that's how it's always been while taking into consideration the teams player against and Navi has played at the top level the entire year with s1mple being by far the best player in the world vs other elite teams. How are you going to say that Device is just 1 guy on Astralis ans then say that he is the main reason that the team is on the top? And furthermore how can you possibly think that device improves Astralis more than s1mple improves Na'vi when hes putting up record breaking numbers and literally taking a core that at most could be a top 10 team to a top 3 team considering the other talent in the region. You cant say "hes just playing for stats" for one getting a kill is never a bad thing and so having the most kills and by far the highest damage by this huge and never seen before of a range between the 1st and 2nd highest player is blatant proof that hes by far the most impactful player to any team in the scene. Literally any time hes brought up analysts and casters call him the best player in the world. Its actually never been this clear of a winner. He would legitimately improve any team regardless of the player he replaced.
2018-11-20 17:56
#260
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
If you replace Device with s1mple in Astralis their whole team would go to shit instantly, the chemistry, team dynamic, s1mple can't even play that play style, also his mentality and attitude about CS Go in general wouldn't work in that team. If you put Device in Na'vi they wouldn't drop level either because they would just activate him even more, literally getting to bait for easy frags all day everyday, zeus and edward playing for info, flamie and electronic baiting them, device baiting the baiters (flamie and electronic) his stats would go up a lot and Na'vi would still be shit as they are now. After that I didn't read further all bullshit with no evidence or facts about shit just delusion you made up, I'm not biased, I big up s1mple all the time but he isn't the best player, s1mple has best stats, he's a good fragger with a team who sacrifice everything for him on t side and on ct he has the freedom to do anything he wants, Device doesn't he plays in a structure and he defines his role, he's way to disciplined and his fundamentals are way higher than s1mple's with a completely different team structure you cannot compare them, device is the best at what he does and s1mple is the best at what he does but device is clear best player this year.
2018-11-20 22:18
#268
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United States Jammin800k 
Your argument is literally "device is surrounded by better players on a team with more structure and teamplay and therefore the fact that device puts up worse numbers than s1mple makes him better." Has to be the most delusional reasoning ever. Theres not a single metric that Device is superior to s1mple in besides the ones that require a TEAM team to achieve, and not just any team, a team that is on a path to becoming one of the greatest teams of all time with insane production from EVERY member. Best entry fragger, best support, best IGL/one of the best fragging IGLs of all time and a top 5 rifler in the world in Magisk.
2018-11-21 07:03
#269
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
No my whole argument is Device is playing structured fundamental CS where he isn't going to produce the type of stats s1mple is getting because he's putting his team first, whereas s1mple is put first before his team if you can't understand this after so many comments you're literally useless. Also I think we've both said enough at this point neither of us can convince each other.
2018-11-21 17:42
#270
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United States Jammin800k 
The fact that the optimal set up for a teams lineup that is top 3 in the world is 4 players playing for a single player proves that s1mple is more impactful than device. If navi tried to play Astralis style they'd be a much worse team. Pretty much every player, coach, and analyst has said s1mple is the best player in the world, even device.
2018-11-22 05:36
#272
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
I agree with you that Na'vi trying to play Astralis play style would be much worse because Na'vi is full of brain dead players (other than Electronic) so this point you are making is literally meaningless and I've noticed a lot of your talking points in this convo were based on assumptions and then you had the nerv to call me biased when everything you debate is fanboy shit with no foundation. Device is a very humble guy but everyone knows he's the best player of 2018 by far it isn't even close what he's done for Astralis this year is too much for anyone to even begin to compare a stat stick to.
2018-11-22 05:46
#273
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United States Jammin800k 
Another comment full of statements with no backup. How is that point meaningless? S1mple is being played around by 4 players because hes the only player in the world who could do that with average teammates and have that team still be top 3. Also you completely ignored my initial point, not surprising though considering the delusion behind your claims.
2018-11-22 06:36
#274
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
Coming from a guy who wrote "If you replace s1mple with device Astralis remains top 3 Navi doesnt assuming proper communication" You're a delusional fanboy don't come with any facts just meaningless assumptions.
2018-11-22 06:57
#275
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United States Jammin800k 
Except thats completely true. S1mple is the only player capable of making Navi a top 3 team. Theres no other 5th that would make those 4 top 3. Meanwhile there are many players that would keep Astralis a top 3 team if they replaced device, some top 1. Don't know how you can argue against record breaking stats, tournament success, most MVPs - FACTS All of the analysts and players call him the best player in the world when hes mentioned. Even players do youtube.com/watch?v=5NM9z8XARes&ab_chann.. Dickstacy: S1mple for sure Dupreeh: No doubt s1mple is the best Sunny: S1mple obviously JKS; S1mple for sure Snappi: S1mple is no1 without a doubt ^ FACTS You still haven't said what individual metric device is superior to s1mple in so i dont see how he can be #1
2018-11-22 08:56
#276
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
He barely has more MVP awards than Device and Device has better MVP awards based on caliber of tournaments he won them at vs the ones s1mple has. He won the best titles and a major this year, he's been consistently dominating with his team who often don't even allow double digits per map which means he plays less rounds which means he gets less kills on average. Kind of hard to drop 30 every map when you win 16-3 or someshit. You cannot compare these players on stats alone with no context it's retarded and why people at the end of the year are going to be crying when Device gets top 1 rank, but my stats.... stats with no context.
2018-11-22 18:42
#280
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United States Jammin800k 
He still has more S1mples are more impressive because he broke records and made history in getting some of them such as his Mariselle and Starseries s5 one. Highest rating at a big event with a top 4 placing First player to get an MVP when losing the tournament. Only player with a 1.5+ at a Big Event this year When you have stats such as kills PER ROUND and average damage PER ROUND context is given. Simple is doing more on average in each round than any other player in the world. Its clear you dont even understand what the stats that I'm proving mean if you think that the amount of rounds the players are playing has anything to do with it.
2018-11-22 23:32
#281
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Myanmar AstralisGoat 
First player to get an MVP when losing the tournament Isn't s1mple btw it happened in 2014 already thought HLTV was done with this non sense but they brought it back for whatever reason. Only record I know he actually broke this year was the first player to get a +1000 k/d in a single year which just shows he's literally the best baiter of all time. He hasn't broken any records other than that one btw, he wasn't the first player to get MVP when team loses, more bullshit from fanboy that makes up shit as usual, common thing around HLTV to have the delusional fanboy donald trumps who like to fake statistics and call any real as fake news.
2018-11-23 03:15
#282
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United States Jammin800k 
Who did it in 2014? Who has a higher ADR than him at big events in a single year? Who has more MVPs in a single year? Who else had a 1.5 rating at a Big Event, ever? What other player has the most clutches AND opening kills in a single year big events/LAN? Are these not records? Is he not the first or the highest player?
2018-11-23 03:26
"guardian was better than olof" lold
2018-11-18 16:00
#238
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Czech Republic OskarLee 
Get_right won thath year major and Flusha did not. I think he deservs it
2018-11-18 15:23
#244
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
S1mple never won a major and never will win.
2018-11-18 22:07
#241
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Singapore Ndev0r 
this is just a bait thread, go home all
2018-11-18 15:28
Thx
2018-11-19 15:25
i will laugh at all these s1mple fangays when device is made top 1 2018
2018-11-20 17:47
#261
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Turkey upsadly 
xantares top 10
2018-11-20 22:20
#271
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Brazil vinnyzeraNTC 
you wish
2018-11-22 05:37
pretty sure they only did that cos flusha's hacking accusations tbh. which i am also convinced flusha cheated back then
2018-11-20 22:29
s1mple should be #1
2018-11-22 18:47
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