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top20 2018
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Finland aqua_rius 
obviously a huge talking point rn but this might give a little insight just looking at stats hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. in my opinion stats > achievements as long as the players have been consistently competing against top20 teams and proven themselves to be above the average players, trying their best but not being able to solo carry their team. for example woxic should easily find himself in the top20 this year and s1mple should definately get #1. and to all butthurt danish people: no im not saying achievements are not a good measure of skill, but indeed in top 20 PLAYERS of 2018, the list should be stat based and by that: s1mple is #1
2018-11-14 22:32
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Hungary Starwiii 
s1mple will be #1 for sure his baiting style is more effective than device's i hope twistzz will not be in top 5 cuz liquid did not win anything
2018-11-14 22:33
#2
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Finland aqua_rius 
well, in my opinion s1, device, electronic, niko, dupreeh > twistzz this year, i'd say twistzz #7-10
2018-11-14 22:35
#6
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Finland aqua_rius 
yes
2018-11-15 02:01
twistzz isnt close to top 5 for stats
2018-11-15 02:57
#3
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Finland aqua_rius 
trust me, im gonna keep bumping this
2018-11-14 22:38
#4
TACO | 
Brazil themarcao 
achievements and stats >>> stats only
2018-11-14 22:44
#11
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World Damon1174 
Yes but achievemtsna nd stats >>> stats only >>> Achievments only
2018-11-15 02:12
I only know Kennys not even top 50 lmao
2018-11-14 22:46
If s1mple is not #1 with these insane stats, the top20 is shit.
2018-11-15 02:04
#8
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France Vix_NBK_FanBoy 
so Xan is a top 5 player??? wtf are you retarded
2018-11-15 02:06
so you think pure stats are the only thing that really determines how good a player is?
2018-11-15 02:18
never said so, but my stats are more accurate than OP's stats
2018-11-15 02:19
that is true tbh thought you were op sry
2018-11-15 02:19
no worries
2018-11-15 02:20
#9
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Spain elskio 
2014 Gtr 1.13 > flusha 1.19 cause achievements 2015 Guardian 1.14 > dev1ce 1.15 cause achievements 2016 Fallen 1.12 > dev1ce 1.15 cause achievements 2017 rain 1.15 > dev1ce 1.18 cause achievements Now 2018 you said stats > achievements????
2018-11-15 02:07
#12
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World Damon1174 
Take a look at all the comparisons you just made. See how its all like less than 0.05 difference in rating? yeah, nah s1mple is 1.34 and everyone else is like 1.24 and below so... Also he has good achievements
2018-11-15 02:13
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Spain elskio 
ESL ONE COLOGNE +0.02 BLAST COPENHAGEN +0.01 Sli +0.01 CAC +0.01 1.34+0.05=1.39 vs DH Master Marseille +0.02 EPL finals +0.02 ECS finals +0.02 Eleague premier +0.02 Faceit Major +0.05 Blast Istanbul +0.01 IEM Chicago +0.02 1.24+0.16 =1.40 1.4 > 1.39 ;)
2018-11-15 02:19
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World Damon1174 
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2018-01-01&endD.. Keep yappin ur mouth l1beral
2018-11-15 02:20
#21
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Spain elskio 
Stop giving top1 award to someone who win 1 title/6months This is pro scene, not random PUG match.
2018-11-15 02:22
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World Damon1174 
Thats completely out of context. S1mple has won 3 titles this year and has tonnes of finals/semis finishes. Navi have made the playoffs of most tournaments theyve attended this year (bar a few bombouts). Navi are a top3 team and have been for half the year, they are no "random PUG team". We're talking about someone who hard carried a team into the top 10/5 for half a year and continues to perform today. s1mple is better than device in almost every way and its clear.
2018-11-15 02:24
#23
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Spain elskio 
I mean if this is pug match you can give top1 to who kills more, but this is pro scene for the win, give to player who win more, stats/kills/ratings/Impacts... all ftw. s1mple just running everywhere of map with his awp, and let his mates change position again and again, and Navi can't make team tactics cause that kid search for aimduels everytime, if he can get 2-3 kills, good. But he can't in most of time, That's why Navi lose to tier5. But i think he didn't care and won't change, he only care his frags. Won't hold 1 or 2 important positions for the team. But dev1ce can sacrifice his ratings for the team. DIFFERENCE
2018-11-15 02:37
NaVi 2 players in top5 in 2018 cry more no scene chokestralis fan
2018-11-15 03:15
#29
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World Damon1174 
But thats completley anecodtal. Thats not true at all. S1mple is huggggeeeely impactful in everything he does and he doesnt just "run around with awp doing whatever he wants". He's playing under Zeus and Kanes leadership who are known to be good with managing players, much like g1ave.
2018-11-15 04:10
There is a reason why it's the best player in the world award you Astralis cock sucker. Not even HLTV is as retarded as you to think device would be top 1
2018-11-15 05:08
Difference is way bigger now between s1mple and device than the ones you mentioned.
2018-11-15 02:56
#32
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Spain elskio 
Stats are but achievements too
2018-11-15 10:53
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Poland MBT_yt 
Devve nr1 Pimple nr2 Choko nr3 Byali nr4 Baitzera nr21
2018-11-15 02:14
i really hope s1mple number 1 or hltv tainted
2018-11-15 02:20
simple is 1 but HLTV is danish so you never know they will find a way to suck up device and astralis players
2018-11-15 05:09
yeah
2018-11-15 17:18
ez for simple
2018-11-15 02:58
#27
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Brazil morFeux 
with these stats he may win. tbh device is in the better rounded roster atm, and navi seems like a mess. this means that simple must make entry plays so his team can have a chance of winning. device, otoh, can rely on his team. simple have double the credits for being number one statwise.
2018-11-15 03:04
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