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top20 predictions
Canada fac3ts 
Not 20 exactly, but a pool of 20 players you expect to be in the top20 Ast: All 5 Navi: s1mple, elec, maybe flamie TL: NAF, Twistzz, EliGE, nitr0 FaZe: NiKo, Guardian?? mouz: sunNy, oskar MiBR: cold, tarik? fnatic: KRiMZ who else
2018-11-18 06:59
taco deadfox ngin and 17 others
2018-11-18 07:00
#16
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United States Slyckz 
ocean
2018-11-18 07:29
RIPabloEscobar and dickstacy
2018-11-18 08:33
Good name
2018-11-18 13:15
#92
NiKo | 
Russia Dreammy09 
+1
2018-11-18 13:34
The top 10 of this year will be expected, but I don’t know how people predict 11-20.
2018-11-18 07:00
top8 is pretty expected...the 9th and 10th places will be imo surprise for a lot of people...
2018-11-18 07:55
#26
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United States fatburger 
oh yeah you are the guy that keeps saying twistzz will get 9-10th
2018-11-18 08:07
yes, 9th at best...oh yeah you are the guy that keeps saying that he will be around 5th and before naf
2018-11-18 08:08
#30
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United States fatburger 
he will be 6-7th and probably above naf
2018-11-18 08:24
no and no...why the hell is he so freaking overrated lmao
2018-11-18 08:24
#32
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United States fatburger 
maybe you just underrate him?
2018-11-18 08:25
nope, its more like im the one of the few who is actually able to look at his performance through whole year and dont consider only last 4-5 months...? there is no freaking way that he will be above naf and its actually obvious who anyone who isnt completely biased
2018-11-18 08:26
#35
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United States fatburger 
im not sure how i am biased against my team first of all. And 2nd of all hes been good like the last 7-8 months and really really good the last 4-5 months. Assuming he finishes the year off well that will be 9-10 months of him doing well
2018-11-18 08:29
in no order s1mple, dev1ce, niko, dupreeh, electronic, magisk, gla1ve and naf will be without a doubt before him. all of them had better year + there are other debatable players like guardian, sunny, cold, krimz and maybe even xyp9x now look at naf vs twistzz... lans: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8520/NAF/.. adr naf: 83.9 twistzz: 76.1 big lans: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8520/NAF/.. adr naf: 83.6 twistzz: 75.6 majors: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8520/NAF/.. adr naf: 87.4 twistzz: 74.9 stats vs top5 teams: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. now lets look at consistency: naf didnt have single tournament below 1.00 rating(twistzz 2) naf had actually only 2 events below 1.10 rating(twistzz 7) twistzz was statistically better than naf in only 4 out of like 14 tournaments that they played in the same team this year(not counting 2 qual tournaments...and it would be 1:1 anyway) now look at individual awards MVPs naf 1:1 twistzz (i will give an edge to twistzz here bcs he had it from more important tournament) EVPs naf: 8:2 twistzz so basically naf was better in every single aspect. stats, consistency, individual awards but hey....lets just throw twistzz before him for no reason at all. again, twistzz wont be before naf and he will be 9th at very best
2018-11-18 08:53
#64
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United States Jammin800k 
I read the whole convo. Yeah honestly could be pushed outta top 10 and people have him top 5 lmao
2018-11-18 10:07
savage
2018-11-18 10:43
#104
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Latvia sw1pe 
wheres Mr.fatburger now? xD
2018-11-18 14:06
#41
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
twistzz will not be top10, lmao
2018-11-18 08:50
lmao
2018-11-18 10:05
#3
anjing | 
Indonesia Fazadz 
Brehze or tabsen will probably be in there
2018-11-18 07:01
Nitro wont be top 20
2018-11-18 07:01
#44
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Australia Whett1 
+1
2018-11-18 08:59
#45
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CIS Geograt 
Maybe 17-19
2018-11-18 09:02
never
2018-11-18 10:26
#54
ceh9 | 
Kyrgyzstan NeaRipS 
+1
2018-11-18 09:47
+111
2018-11-18 14:00
I don't see anyone from team liquid other than naf or twistzz in top 20
2018-11-18 07:02
#6
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United States Jammin800k 
You cant name 20 players better than elige this year
2018-11-18 07:03
Dupreeh
2018-11-18 07:04
All of Astralis, S1mple electronic flamie, naf twistzz, NiKo Guardian, Sunny oskar ChrisJ, Krimz, Coldzera, Lekro, Tabsen, Tarik
2018-11-18 07:09
#11
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United States Jammin800k 
Lmfao at lekr0 tarik chrisj. None of them will even be top 20 Let's get achievements out of the way since elige is clearly superior, he also has more EVPs than all of them. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8738/EliG.. Note the map count as well hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8738/EliG.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8738/EliG.. And why would flamie be higher than Elige? Lower impact, rating, EVPs
2018-11-18 07:20
Tarik major MVP
2018-11-18 07:23
#15
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United States Jammin800k 
Oh didnt know you could get a major MVP, be worse the entire year, and be considered better. Literally didnt get a single EVP/MVP since then
2018-11-18 07:25
major mvp means %100 top 20
2018-11-18 07:59
#46
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah it'll say: Tarik #20 Won the flukiest major in CSGO history barely edged out his teammates for the major MVP and then did nothing the rest of the year besides get top 4 as the 2nd worst player on the team in the next major. Seriously do people just make things up? Since when does major mvp = top 20
2018-11-18 09:37
hltv.org/news/22360/top-20-players-of-20.. 17th place with 3 0.90 tournaments
2018-11-18 18:03
#110
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United States Jammin800k 
What's your point compare his rating that year and stats to tariks. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8523/tari..
2018-11-19 04:15
0.02 difference....
2018-11-19 15:35
#119
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes but the average player rating is from around .9 to 1.35 so a .02 difference is a 4.4% increase in performance on average obviously there are other factors. At big events Adren higher KPR. Adren 80.2 ADR Tarik 75.9 ADR. Tarik averages a negative K/D
2018-11-19 19:47
#122
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United States Jammin800k 
Also just take a look at the graph. Adren peak at 1.25 tarik peak below 1.1
2018-11-19 22:16
Please tell me you’re baiting by saying cold is better than elige this year
2018-11-18 07:46
cold is atleast debatable since he has great stats but chrisj is just hialrious LMAO...:D
2018-11-18 07:59
#8
hallzerk | 
New Zealand Rabb5t 
So guarantees would be: All 5 of Astralis s1mple, electronic NAF, Twistzz, EliGE NiKo suNny, oskar coldzera As for possibly: GuardiaN, ropz, nitr0, flamie, tarik? This is what I have so far
2018-11-18 07:05
#14
NiKo | 
Europe NeO_RiGhT 
Except flamie and tarik
2018-11-18 07:24
As for possibly: GuardiaN do people rly have memory of goldfish...?
2018-11-18 07:45
He is inconsistent if you ask me, one example of this is that his past 6 maps have all been below 1.0 rating.
2018-11-18 07:48
past 6 maps...do you realize that its from whole year, right? he has 1.12 lan rating with 1.20 kd this year which is better than sunny and comparable with twistzz(who is around 5th place in 90% lists here) he has the same numbers in big events, the 13th highest stats(again, comparable with both twistzz and sunny) and he has 1.16 rating with 1.25kd in majors, the 9th highest he is iem sysdney MVP, he has several EVPs and he is one of the best performer in important matches this year. he will be easily somewhere around 10th place and this isnt even debatable...
2018-11-18 07:52
#49
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United States Jammin800k 
Thanks for taking that one cant be arsed with all these people who seemingly only started watching since the player break
2018-11-18 09:44
i have no idea why are people so baised. it seems like they rly consider performance only last 3 months...
2018-11-18 09:45
#59
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United States Jammin800k 
I found this funny since a lot of people have twistzz above NAF based on his recent performance meanwhile NAF is still a top 6 player in the world edging out Astralis riflers hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-08..
2018-11-18 09:52
read my post #39...funny how noone even try to reply to me anymore after i post that:D
2018-11-18 09:53
#9
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United States Jammin800k 
Guaranteed players: s1mple device niko electronic dupreeh magisk NAF twistzz sunny oskar xyp9x gla1ve guardian krimz cold elige ropz Probably: rain flamie autimatic Maybe: Ethan tabsen woxic Unlikely: brehze cerq Kenny valde So that's 5 Astralis 3 Liquid 3 mouz 2/3 Navi 2/3 Faze 1 Fnatic 1 MiBR 1 C9
2018-11-18 07:11
#29
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New Zealand Eauor 
kenny lol
2018-11-18 08:23
Unlikely: Kenny
2018-11-18 08:28
#75
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New Zealand Eauor 
impossible, not unlikely.
2018-11-18 11:50
i think woxic has a very good shot at a low placing
2018-11-18 07:19
#76
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New Zealand Eauor 
+1
2018-11-18 11:50
nitr0? guardian with question mark? what...?
2018-11-18 07:44
#28
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New Zealand Eauor 
why do you put 2 questions marks for guardian, he is 100% there, and probably around 15+ and nitr0 is shit, no way he will ever make this list lmao
2018-11-18 08:23
-s1mple, electronic -Dev1ce, xyp9x, gla1ve, dupreeh,magisk -niko,guardian,rain -coldzera,fallen -twistz,naf -chrisj This players have to be on the top20 100% in my opinion :) expected af
2018-11-18 08:33
rain? freaking fallen? chrisj:DDDDD? delusional LMAO
2018-11-18 08:48
Liquid big 3, NaVi big 2 and all of Astralis is a lock in.
2018-11-18 08:37
#42
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North America AlanSmith 
shox and kennyS
2018-11-18 08:52
#43
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
nitr0? hahaa, NA bias at its best tarik? never 5 * Astralis + 3 NaVi + 3 mouz + 3 liquid + 2 faze + cold + krimz + autimatic + choose one
2018-11-18 08:54
Nitr0 has certainly done more than cold this year
2018-11-18 09:39
no, naf, twistzz and elige did. hltv top20 is heavily based on individual performance and nitr0 was just average at best while cold performed whole year on very highl level. cold will be there, nitr0 wont
2018-11-18 09:42
So is zeus but doesnt make him top 20 player
2018-11-18 09:45
#52
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
1.02 rating at big events vs 1.16 rating at big events nitro won fucking summit, cold some equal t2 tournament (zotac?) soo yeah, cold will be in top20 for sure. you could easily make a point for chrisJ(1.03) instead of nitr0 who has the better rating, way more achievements(titles!), but neither of them will be in top 20 i'm pretty sure about the 19 players i listed above. The last one could be tarik, tabsen, w0xic, rain, ethan or f0rest but my bet is on tarik
2018-11-18 09:52
#55
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United States Jammin800k 
That's my list and the choose one is rain but I'd like to see Ethan get it. I'm certainly more impressed with Ethan this year than rain but thats not what the list is even so statistically Ethan is better but I believe rain has a few more MVPs and the kicker over 2x the amount of maps at big events.
2018-11-18 09:47
#58
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
it will be tarek cuz of major mvp rain and mvps in 2018? i highly doubt that :D w0xic and tabseN are btw also over ethan in the big events ranking but both also with 40 maps
2018-11-18 09:55
#62
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United States Jammin800k 
Due to the major being in January and him not getting a single EVP since then or any relevant placings I dont think hell get it and I think there are many players who deserve it more. Rain has multiple EVPs and tournament wins for example and Ethan has been a serious fragger at all the tournaments hes attended, no negative events and has 4 EVPs
2018-11-18 10:00
#65
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United States Jammin800k 
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. Tabsen isnt, their stats are actually very similar but Ethan has more EVPs and better tournament placings. Woxic has God awful tournament placings for top 20 and an EVP at dreamhack open tours...
2018-11-18 10:14
2018-11-18 09:46
#56
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
hahaha, smooya, what did you smoke?
2018-11-18 09:48
drugs :D
2018-11-18 09:48
horrible list lmao...
2018-11-18 09:54
#66
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Europe p1peb0mb 
-nitro -tarik +ropz +autimatic one of rain,nahte,cerq,valde, hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01..
2018-11-18 10:15
allu
2018-11-18 10:22
#69
oskar | 
Czech Republic ufonk 
ChrisJ maybe ?He have awasome year.
2018-11-18 10:27
hltv ranking is heavily based on stats. chrisj has 0 chance to be there
2018-11-18 10:31
S1mple Dev1ce Twistzz Niko Dupreeh Sunny Electronic Magisk Gla1ve Coldzera KRIMZ NAF Xyp9x Taco Nitr0 W0xic Guardian Oskar Ropz Rain Autimatic
2018-11-18 10:28
#78
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New Zealand Eauor 
>rain >taco >nitr0 0/8
2018-11-18 11:51
-rain +they guy of hr that id remember his name (not woxic not bondik not deadfox the terrorist guy.... Id remember his name and i dont wanna go out and check his name... Ohhhh i remmeber it ISSA!!! So - rain +ISSA Taco has to be in the top and if u want - nitr0 we could put - nitr0 +chrisj
2018-11-18 13:07
taco wont be there at all lmao and chrisj:D? you just cant beserious
2018-11-18 13:10
Tac0 will be
2018-11-18 13:21
you are delusional lmao...
2018-11-18 13:24
#85
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New Zealand Eauor 
i think hes baiting dw
2018-11-18 13:25
you are on hltv so you never know. there are a lot of deluded fans so...
2018-11-18 13:26
#88
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New Zealand Eauor 
i agree, but sometimes its just better to pretend people like this are baiting (even if they are not), just so you don't have to waste your time trying to get anything through their thick skull.
2018-11-18 13:30
yea probably haha:D
2018-11-18 13:31
#90
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New Zealand Eauor 
There are always a few people in these threads such as yourself that actually use their brain and understand what their talking about, I prefer to talk to those kinds of people.
2018-11-18 13:32
me too...i have even no problem to admit that i was wrong if the opposite side has good arguments but its pretty rare here, sadly...
2018-11-18 13:36
S1mple Dev1ce NiKo Dupreeh Electronic Gla1ve¨ Twistzz Naf Ropz Stewie2k(first half) GuardiaN KrimZ Oskar Shox KennyS Hobbit AdreN F0rest JW
2018-11-18 10:45
wtf is this list LMAO :DDDD
2018-11-18 10:44
#77
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New Zealand Eauor 
found somebody that forgot to watch csgo for all of 2018...
2018-11-18 11:50
Dude tell me how top 10 is inaccurate? The rest was just fillar and sure, that might not be the too accurate. Like I just put one from each good team. (+shox and Kenny cuz of their hard carry.)
2018-11-18 14:22
#109
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New Zealand Eauor 
Because you put Stewie2k there lmao, use your brain for once.
2018-11-18 22:57
STEWIE GIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGALUL KENNY, SHOX, HOBBIT, ADREN, FOREST, JW OMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGAGIGGGGGGGGGGADELTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUUUUUL
2018-11-18 14:29
#83
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United States Jamila 
All 5 from Astralis 3 from Liquid 3 from FaZe 3 from Na'Vi 2 from mouz 1 from MIBR 1 from fnatic 1 from C9 1 from NRG = 20
2018-11-18 13:22
1-S1mple 2-device 3-NiKo 4-Dupreeh 5-electronic 6-Twistzz 7-NAF 8-Xyp9x 9-SunNy 10-coldzera 11-KRIMZ 12-GuardiaN 13-gla1ve 14-autimatic 15-oskar 16-Magisk 17-tarik 18-woxic 19-tabseN 20-ELiGe/flamie/rain/fer/nitr0 100% true list prove me wrong
2018-11-18 13:28
Last spot can't be shared. Proven wrong.
2018-11-18 14:42
#115
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United States Jammin800k 
16. Magisk You proved yourself wrong
2018-11-19 06:09
#91
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Brazil beckerzin 
cold tarik all astralis s1mple and elec niko sunny naf twistzz taco woxic tabsen cerq autimatic krimz oskar
2018-11-18 13:32
#95
NiKo | 
Russia Dreammy09 
xd nice joke
2018-11-18 13:40
#117
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Turkey Thunderball 
Its actually very accurate for me except taco tho LUL
2018-11-19 15:40
#94
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Brazil hrp_someway 
tarik ? FaLLeN >>> Tarik
2018-11-18 13:38
tarik major mvp fallen achieved nothing and is the worst igl of 2018 because he achieved nothing with the most talented lineup
2018-11-18 13:43
#98
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Brazil hrp_someway 
yeah I know but imo FaLLeN >>>> Tarik
2018-11-18 13:44
Why everyone put Tarik???? I would put issa.... Xantares, tabsen, stewie2k before him...... Even allu
2018-11-18 13:40
Every mvp major later are in top20
2018-11-18 13:57
#112
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United States Jammin800k 
Not specifically due to the MVP though they also did other things throughout the year and had passable stats
2018-11-19 06:05
xantares,allu and stewie2k LOL 8/8 made me laugh
2018-11-18 14:01
-Flamie -Elige, -Nitr0 -oskar, -sunny +chrisj +Fallen
2018-11-18 13:54
1.forsaken rest doesnt matter
2018-11-18 13:56
1 simple 2 device 3 Niko 4 Dupreeh 5 electronic 6 magisk 7 naf 8 krimz 9 twistzz 10 xyp9x 11 Coldzera 12 guardian 13 elige 14 glaive 15 rain 16 flamie 17 jw 18 KennyS 19 Oskar 20 tarik 15-20 is very hard imo but 1-15 seems pretty clear cut
2018-11-19 04:40
#113
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United States Jammin800k 
Sunny, ropz? Gla1ve too low oskar too low. JW wont make it neither will Kenny and tarik doesnt deserve to.
2018-11-19 06:07
Tarik major mvp so e will definitely be 19 or 20 -jw -kennyS +Sunny +Ropz
2018-11-19 17:04
#121
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United States Jammin800k 
#15
2018-11-19 19:48
#114
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United States small__dude 
olof autimatic maybe rain
2018-11-19 06:08
F0rest, Lekr0, or REZ potentially if they have a good end to the year
2018-11-19 19:47
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