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Ast vs Fnatic
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Croatia mds818 
Ai'te boiz, we all know that there're countless x team goat fanboiz, now looking at the stats we have fnatic winning 11/21 lans in 2015 and astralis winning 7/15 the question is... can astralis pass fnatic? hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4991/fnatic?.. hltv.org/stats/teams/events/6665/Astrali..
2018-11-18 20:32
good post.
2018-11-18 20:34
#2
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Brazil hrp_someway 
heck gg
2018-11-18 20:36
#3
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Russia ZippSluvik 
no they can't
2018-11-18 20:37
#4
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Romania LoganS1 
and now compare the amount of money won, lul
2018-11-18 20:38
#7
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Croatia mds818 
teams can't influence that so I won't judge it...
2018-11-18 20:43
#46
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Germany mary69 
+1
2018-11-19 12:23
expected from 0iq romanian
2018-11-19 12:38
#5
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Europe p1peb0mb 
fnatic's top period exceeds 2015. its from august 2014 to march 2016. hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4991/fnatic?.. and astralis's top period only started from this april.lets see how far astralis will go. hltv.org/stats/teams/events/6665/Astrali.. fnatic won 19 events in 18 months. astralis won 7 events in 7 months.let astralis's top period end and lets compare them. anyway astralis already overtaken sk from april-december 2017.
2018-11-18 20:50
#13
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
+1
2018-11-18 20:49
#14
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Croatia mds818 
looking forward to that actually
2018-11-18 20:49
pronax-Fnatic dropped off after Cologne 2015, there was a time Fnatic weren't winning anything after Cologne until dennis joined
2018-11-18 20:51
#18
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Europe p1peb0mb 
dropped off like going out in quarters once...they won cologne in august end and started winning 6 events in a row from november end. didn't won anything for 3 months but still reached top4 in every event except cluj. if we take those 3 months as not top period,then sk don't have an era like they didn't won anyhing from july end to october end hltv.org/stats/teams/events/6137/SK?star..
2018-11-18 20:59
Late 2015 and early 2016 fnatic is irrelevant, they had dennis and they wouldnt win without him. If you want to compare 2 teams and their domination, you have to compare 1 lineup for each team, not taking into consideration 2 lineups for 1 team. I like that you look at first wins of teams tho, thats how it should be imo. If you want to, look at my comment, #12.
2018-11-18 20:59
#23
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Europe p1peb0mb 
dude we taking multiple lineups for sk to make them an era. generally core lineup is used as the standerd not the lineup like how faze won 4 events last year and won 3 events this year. if faze made an era this year,no one would have said anything about those different lineups with xizt and cromen but only talk about how they won those events with that core. also if we take only lineup there is no "SK" era. they won 8 events in 2017 with two different lineups.
2018-11-18 21:08
I would say that they had some kind of "mini-era". Their lineups are irrelevant to each other, each and every team performs differently with one change. Thats why its only logical and fair to compare 1 lineup for each team since with one change they are completely different. + The decline between pronaxs fantic and dennis' fnatic is too long imo, 4 tournaments with no wins is way too much for me. Teams are not about their core but about the whole lineup. You can compare cores, sure, but core isnt a team. FaZe wouldnt be able to win xxx tournaments out of yyy tournaments with standins since it creates disturbances and its hard to play with different players all the time and if they would win some multiple tournaments like 3 with cromen and 2 with Xizt it wouldnt be an era since there is still a case that they wouldnt win the 3 tournaments with Xizt and the other 2 with cromen. You could just say that its an era of FaZes "core" but not team.
2018-11-18 21:16
#36
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Europe p1peb0mb 
if you can't put togather dennis lineup and pronax lineup then there is no sk mini era or so too.they didn't won for 5 events after cologne 2017 and fnatic with dennis lineup> sk before cologne 2017 lineup and after cologne lineup. if you are only taking lineups then still fnatic also fnatic top period is from august 2014 to august 2015. a total of 13 months.they won 12 events during that period. hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4991/fnatic?..
2018-11-18 21:24
They have won 5/6 tournaments, thats enough for mini-era, not estabilished age tho. They should have won Krakow but that didnt happen and they declined since then. fnatic is still the best team of all time but I think that Astralis will dethrone them soon.
2018-11-18 21:54
#41
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Europe p1peb0mb 
If thats the case dennis fnatic have another mini era. Also only 3 of those were premier events.summit and dh winter were small events.Astralis with kjaerbye won 3/4 premier events from 2016 end to march 2017.NV won 4/6 premier events before cluj.Those has to be considered mini era too.
2018-11-18 22:08
Yes, you are correct. Its not a legit era for sure but I like to go by this example of mini-era which means that a team was dominant for some time but they werent able to estabilish true era in my eyes (those teams basically lacked 1 or 2, maybe even 3 tournaments to estabilish sth and they looked like they will do so in that time). But this Astralis already has an era and Im interested to see how long will it last
2018-11-18 23:07
You cant compare 2013, 2015, or 2018
2018-11-18 20:41
#9
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Croatia mds818 
sure we can consider 2013 questionable, but people are using "higher level" as an excuse, yes it is certainly not the same cs we had 5 years ago and now, game changed a lot, playstyles etc but people are ignoring the fact that it was still very competitive, fnatic was challanged in 2015 a lot of times, sure they dominated but it was not ez win, same thing goes for astralis in 2018
2018-11-18 20:46
I think they can do it,they have to continue for a good 4-6 months to be in contention
2018-11-18 20:44
#11
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Croatia mds818 
4-6 months... in 1.5 months its end of 2018, if we give them 4-6 we have to go with #5 and expect 19 wins(sure we can give them more time in that case as well)
2018-11-18 20:48
#10
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Czech Republic sEEnseiGE 
Why do u people always compare Astr. to other teams with Kjaerbye in that team, compare them with Magisk only
2018-11-18 20:46
#16
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Croatia mds818 
they still need more time, #5
2018-11-18 20:51
Late 2015 fnatic was a different lineup so its irrelevant. Btw, imo it would be better to do since their first wins, that would be since Pantamera until Cluj where the era and lineup officially ended. That would be 8/17 but this lineup existed already in 2014 so it would be since their first win at SS X Finals 13/24. Astralis since Marseille until TBD, that would be 7/11 (how can you really count a major qualifier, lol) I think they have a serious shot at surpassing fnatic with ease actually. But lets give them time and see. They are in the discussion as the best team to ever play tho, I dont think it will last long if they keep on playing like this
2018-11-18 20:57
#20
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Croatia mds818 
early 2018 also had kjaerbye..., on the other hand fnatic with pronax started in 2014... but as far as I see most of people count it till march 2016 when they had dennis I didn't look at names, I just went with lan and #1 places(there're bigger and smaller events and stuff so I didn't bother reading them, especially in 2015) we'll see when astralis is going to stop winning..
2018-11-18 21:00
"but as far as I see most of people count it till march 2016 when they had dennis" If you want to compare 2 teams and their domination, you have to compare 1 lineup for each team, not taking into consideration 2 lineups for 1 team (or both teams) otherwise that comparison becomes completely irrelevant "I didn't look at names, I just went with lan and #1 places(there're bigger and smaller events and stuff so I didn't bother reading them, especially in 2015)" - Yeah I get it I just looked it all up cos it seemed weird that they would be 7/15
2018-11-18 21:03
#25
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Croatia mds818 
I know and I agree, but I also stated only 2015 fnatic with only 2018 astralis, astralis is not done with their lineup yet that is why I compared only one year Well.. the thing is that what I would prefer more is looking at big events(and obviously major qualif or some 25,50k event but big events are 250k+, not something what we had in 2015 or earlier(excluding majors and epl...)
2018-11-18 21:08
Well, a lot tournaments in 2015 used to be small but they had multiple great teams like fnatic, VP, TSM, Envy etc pretty much every single time so it was significant to even win these small tournaments
2018-11-18 21:18
#32
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Croatia mds818 
I know, that is why I didn't go with big events on the stats filter
2018-11-18 21:20
Fnatic won 3 majors, might aswell have been 5, if they didn't forfeit to LDLC and didn't throw to NiP they actually would've had 5 back to back majors. Insane.
2018-11-18 20:50
#21
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Croatia mds818 
well... ldlc was more technical stuff and bullshit rules
2018-11-18 21:02
No they forfeited to avoid bad press
2018-11-18 21:32
#39
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Croatia mds818 
one way or another both teams broke the rules, and both teams(players actually) agreed with it
2018-11-18 21:36
They agreed to replay the match; not the ff. The ff came to avoid bad press.
2018-11-19 11:34
Wtf I hate Dennis now
2018-11-18 21:07
#26
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Croatia mds818 
why
2018-11-18 21:09
2015 fnatic > all
2018-11-18 21:09
#29
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United States ferric 
Who gives a shit Liquid is the only relevant team in the scene atm.
2018-11-18 21:16
#31
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Sweden Lacazette 
Fnatic also won 6 events in a row when they swapped pronax for dennis. But that was late 2015/ early 2016. Still nuts
2018-11-18 21:19
hahahahahha, change it to "big events"
2018-11-18 21:22
ez for Astralis
2018-11-18 21:23
#37
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Europe p1peb0mb 
ya sure, "blast" is a "big" event which has no playoffs and only need to win some bo1s and bo3 to win the vent. hltv big events are retarded. even this years first t2 events cs_summit is harder to win that this "big" event blast lol. if you want real big events,then go to liquipedia liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Premier_Tou..
2018-11-18 21:27
#44
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Spain elskio 
fnatic 5 big events Astralis 6 big events(without Blast) still better than Fnatic 2015, but fnatic had 2majors. hmmm 50/50 , and Astralis still has 2 events left for this year. fnatic 2015 = Astralis 2018 fnatic 2014-2016 > Astralis 2018 ofc
2018-11-19 11:52
#45
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Europe p1peb0mb 
Ya fnatic won 5/7 big events by hltv while astralis won 7/11 big events by hltv. And we know that blast was not a big event and hltv's big event list is retarded. If you want more info about that check my other post. hltv.org/forums/threads/1925609/mvp-evp-.. If you want real big events list go to liquipedia not hltv.
2018-11-19 12:20
swedish cs top cs of all time :D
2018-11-18 21:24
#47
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Sweden Zolity 
fnatic is the best ever
2018-11-19 12:29
Lets not act like every event fnatic won, was a tier1 event plz.
2018-11-19 12:36
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