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Top 20 player of all time
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France Vix_NBK_FanBoy 
1.Olof 2.Cold 3.GTR 4.Dev 5.Shox 6.F0rest 7.Kennys 8.Guardian 9.Flusha 10.Snax 11.Happy 12.Duppreh 13.NBK 14.Xy9 15.s1mple 16.KRIMZ 17.Fallen 18.Kio 19.NiKo 20.Rain Tell what you think is wrong with it :D
2018-11-19 04:40
im assuming this is csgo only kio should be below rain happy should not be here snax should be lower
2018-11-19 04:42
#2
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France Vix_NBK_FanBoy 
happy the 2 time major champ igling both of them and and mvp of one of them and ya i was having trouble with snax and kio
2018-11-19 04:42
I think forsaken should be there at number 1. Any one else is missing him. :P
2018-11-19 06:04
got a point
2018-11-19 06:07
Its unbelievable how people seem to forget the people who how influenced this scene this much. Forsaken is a legend of the indian scene, he came, he saw, and well, he got vacced. But that's not what I'm trying to say. He did what many indians wanted, play tier 1 asian lan. He proved the world that India does not only have the best tech supports, but they have a legendary name in csgo
2018-11-20 02:50
legendary cheaters.
2018-11-21 07:26
+1 respect legend forsaken
2018-11-23 17:04
Your opinion is highly appeciated
2018-11-25 19:44
#186
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Spain Ferbo 
Kennys mvp DH cluj napoca
2018-11-20 23:08
what is reading
2018-11-20 23:09
#5
refrezh | 
Sweden meistr0 
LOL? Kio >>>>>>> Rain Kio 2x major winner Rain 0x major winner OmegaLOL
2018-11-19 04:49
devilwalk 1 major NiKo 0 major
2018-11-19 04:52
devilwalk xD
2018-11-19 16:24
Exactly
2018-11-20 20:49
#422
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Turkey Mikeup 
This is like "messi is not world cup winner so ronaldo is better" Omegalul
2018-11-26 14:49
#94
KRIMZ | 
Sweden Timmy_ 
Happy was a very big point why LDLC and NV were one of the best teams at that time, maybe he shouldnt be 11th but he is top 15 imo aswell.
2018-11-19 16:19
Honestly I think happy is top 5 but I knew everyone would be 0/8 do I didnt put it
2018-11-19 16:23
#104
KRIMZ | 
Sweden Timmy_ 
Maybe 5 is bit of a stretch but he was a big reason why they were so great at that time. Not only IGL but also skill wise. So im not against him being above 11th either.
2018-11-19 16:28
snax lower??? if its only cs go then snax top10 for sure. #4 #5 #5 #20 #?
2018-11-19 19:59
#175
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Sweden Nuggeet 
#100 2018
2018-11-20 21:20
#10000 2018 *
2018-11-25 19:46
Why on Earth would Kio be below rain? Rain hasnt accomplished anything, Kio has majors.
2018-11-23 23:12
rain almost had an era with faze and is apart of the most talented lineup of all time
2018-11-23 23:15
#301
Xyp9x | 
Other Zyncc 
It is normal for a french guy to include some of his favourite french players in top20.....but yeah i agree with you 100 percent. Also neo shud find a place in this list cuz he was formidable in cs 1.6 and early years of csgo.
2018-11-24 02:54
IM NOT TALKING ABOUT 1.6 FFS and i dont actually like kio tbh, only french player i dont like atleast alittle
2018-11-24 03:22
2.cold
2018-11-19 04:48
#6
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France Vix_NBK_FanBoy 
yes
2018-11-19 04:49
#47
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
+1
2018-11-19 15:24
+1
2018-11-19 19:40
#199
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Brazil killfell 
+1
2018-11-21 00:13
s1mple is way too low
2018-11-19 04:48
#7
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France Vix_NBK_FanBoy 
honestly not at all, he has to have more than 4-5 months of godteir form to be any hgiher
2018-11-19 04:50
he's been playing amazing since 2016 and god tier since the start of the year, lmao.
2018-11-19 04:51
but what has he won?
2018-11-19 04:51
a player's skill should be based on their skill as an individual, not their team's results. if the best player in the world was dropping 45 bombs on a team with silver 1s in majors against t1 teams, you would put that player as #1, not #19.
2018-11-19 05:03
no i wouldnt, they accomplished nothing so they arent as good as you think. look at kennys in 2014 he was #7 when he was by far the best individual player
2018-11-19 05:13
#36
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World Damon1174 
Yes but thats hltv ranking not ppls ranking
2018-11-19 06:09
#45
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Russia goodjob 
there is a difference between not winning as much as others and not winning ANYTHING like KennyS in 2014 KennyS literally went out of groups at every major in 2014 and didnt win shit
2018-11-19 15:23
Kennys best individual player? That's a joke? S1mple or even olof are much much better than him overall
2018-11-19 16:37
he means in 2014 smh
2018-11-19 16:39
Ohh i agree, Sorry my French friend
2018-11-19 16:40
I mean only the best players accomplish the best things. If simple cant make a good team its his problem.
2018-11-19 05:15
he can but the ones he needs dont want to be with him
2018-11-19 05:17
#103
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United States Jamila 
s1mple was the hard carry of F3 and HR lineups that would go on to have some good players, beat fnatic at a major by himself
2018-11-19 16:26
Its almost like people seem to think s1mple did nothing before 2018, he turned a useless flipside into a team that could beat nip in a bo3 in 2015, he brought an NA team to top 4 at a major and won the mpv at esl one new york in 2016, he i didin't win much but was fucking fantastic for all of 2017, and has been super god like for all of 2018.
2018-11-23 05:15
I know he was good and prob deserves abit higher but he csnt be a goat with no wins
2018-11-23 05:21
Not saying hes the goat but it is ridiculous to put someone who has been a top 5 player for 3 years, while being the best player by far for an entire year 15th. He also definitely doesn't have no wins, he has won 4 tournaments this year, and he has 8 mvps. Thats 2 more mvps then olofmeister, and the same amount as cold.
2018-11-23 06:37
But olof and cold both have 2 majors, and that's what I mainly mean by wins And hes not by far the best player this year, it's very close with him and device
2018-11-23 17:02
It is not close for the year, it was close from eleague premier to the major, s1mple was miles ahead from the start of the year until eleague premier, and he has been miles ahead since the major. Also even for the couple months where it was close s1mple was still better.
2018-11-23 21:22
#379
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New Zealand Nikios 
Then by your criteria of best top 20 players fer, taco and pronax and Karrigan, should be better than S1mple and Niko because they have more trophies in the cabinet, if your also basing your criteria on achievement then S1mple and Fallen is like top 7 at least not because of the skill but because of contribution to the scene
2018-11-25 02:04
im not even gonna address this again...go read some other comments
2018-11-25 02:06
cold: 2 MVP major, 2 x #1 HLTV cold > olof cold #1
2018-11-19 04:51
olof has won 2 majors and been to the final of another, with almost having and era with faze
2018-11-19 04:53
faze era? 2 weeks and 0 mvp with faze...
2018-11-19 05:06
#97
KRIMZ | 
Sweden Timmy_ 
he said almost.
2018-11-19 16:21
Not even almost
2018-11-20 23:34
FaZe era 2 days c9 era 2 weeks na > eu
2018-11-21 07:38
#375
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France Creez_sp 
Astralis era almost 1 year
2018-11-25 02:01
Bra71L era over 1 year Bra71L plays in NA qualifiers and leagues Na > EU /close
2018-11-25 19:22
#417
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France Creez_sp 
Fnatic era almost two years. Btw I dont knew that Brazil was in NA lul
2018-11-26 01:12
#37
f0rest | 
United States PlusOne 
You just said why olof is 2nd
2018-11-19 06:16
#48
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Cold won't ever reach olof's peak. In Olof's prime he used to rush and destroy everybody 1 by 1.While cold is still baiting somebody for his stats. Olof - Important Frags Cold - Exit/bait kills /closed
2018-11-19 15:25
#57
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Russia goodjob 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/885/olofm.. look at impact and at every stat pretty much cold ON AVERAGE > olof best year and im not even a fan of cold.. and i'd prefer to see a European player on top instead of cold, so hope s1mple will keep being insane
2018-11-19 15:38
#59
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Do you seriously prefer stats over peak? Ofc cold put up higher numbers but olof did put a way better show :) Just saying
2018-11-19 15:41
#60
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Russia goodjob 
stats over peak? cold peak > olof peak and ofc i prefer stats over whatever the fuck you're calling "show" we're talking about who is a better player, not whoever is more fun to watch if we were to just pick whoever was more aggressive and fun to watch, then just pick s1mple/niko.. or even ScreaM
2018-11-19 15:42
#61
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
"cold peak > olof peak" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
2018-11-19 15:42
#63
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Russia goodjob 
thats a fact hltv.org/stats/players/compare/885/olofm.. also despite the fact that cold only been on the scene since 2016 he has more MVP's than olof hes been named player of the year twice, in a row..
2018-11-19 15:44
#64
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
OK I'm not gonna argue with a guy that thinks stats are the most important thing. Have a good day
2018-11-19 15:45
#65
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Russia goodjob 
they kinda are especially when the difference is so significant cold won more, has better stats, more mvp's.. hell, even more highlights actually if you think about it, is more impactful etc.
2018-11-19 15:46
#66
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Cold - baiter - last one to stay alive = Having better stats Olof - Entry fragger - %80 time he got the entry frag,then got traded but still gave his team the opportunity to make a play. And he didn't even care about stats. Olof is a born-winner.He just wants to win,he is not a player like cold and never will be.Even cold said that his inspiration is olof. Get over it.
2018-11-19 15:48
#68
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Russia goodjob 
olof entry fragger? AJAHAAHAHHAHAHAHA i dunno why im even arguing with the guy who has this in his bio: FaZe and olof fan. olof is the GOAT. vlad1m1r <333 ROFL also olof wasnt even the best entry during his peak, wasnt even the best entry on his team.. and it wasnt even his role.. just like it wasnt coldzera's role, in fact they had similar roles.. but cold was(and still is) better than olof at literally everything else
2018-11-19 15:52
#70
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
He is the GOAT Then tell me what the fuck was he doing on the fnatic and how did he become the best player of 2015 you retarded dumbfuck? I dunno why I'm arguing with a guy who thinks stats are everything LMFAO
2018-11-19 15:54
#72
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Russia goodjob 
how? because he was a good versatile player? JW was doing entryfragging in fnatic and was better than olof at it, olof was like a top20 entry during his prime, which is good, especially for a player with a role that he had at the time, but nothing to really brag about.. he won player of the year because his team won a lot, and because 2015 was a year everyone regressed(everyone but him and guardian i guess), because he also was able to reach his peak, and because players like cold etc. havent emerged yet
2018-11-19 15:56
#75
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
You are saying he was good,and also saying his team won him the tournaments. I don't know why I'm still arguing with you "olof was like a top20 entry fragger" Ahahahahahahahaa
2018-11-19 15:59
#78
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Russia goodjob 
he was good, but he wasnt better than some other players, its just that his team was good and yeah, he was at best a top15-20 entry during his peak you're so fucking dumb and biased its unreal cold literally had two years back to back that were better than olof best year
2018-11-19 16:00
#80
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
The guy who told me stats are everything and calls cold the GOAT calls me biased hahahahahaha Flusha gave the olof space to make the big plays,the others didn't do much other than playing their roles. In the end it's teamwork who made them number 1.
2018-11-19 16:03
#81
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Russia goodjob 
ofc you're biased, you love olof and says that hes the goat i couldnt care less about cold.. im just not retarded and can acknowledge the fact that hes the best in CS:GO, so far but again if i were to actually say who i think is the best individually regardless of all the team shit then its s1mple
2018-11-19 16:05
#83
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Yeah I love olof and his personality,unlike cold he never disrespects anyone.He's a respectful guy who deserves anything.That injury was unlucky
2018-11-19 16:05
#84
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Russia goodjob 
i dont give a shit about how respectful he is, we're not talking about who is the most respectful.. Michael Jordan wasnt respectful at all, should we hold it against him?
2018-11-19 16:05
#87
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Personality is way more important than you think you know? But i'm arguing witha guy who says stats are everything so I'm not gonna bother
2018-11-19 16:09
#89
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Russia goodjob 
no its not, i dont care about the personality of the player, i care about how good that player is
2018-11-19 16:14
Personality is 100% irrelevant in this
2018-11-21 00:15
#304
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Portugal JUNiOR107 
Cold is the GOAT, just accept that
2018-11-24 03:29
#90
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
k
2018-11-19 16:15
#86
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
S1mple is just on another level,hopefully he wins a major someday along with NiKo
2018-11-19 16:06
#82
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Just like fallen who helped cold to become number 1 twice and made his name well-known
2018-11-19 16:03
#71
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Even GTR is better than baitzera in my opinion
2018-11-19 15:56
#73
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Russia goodjob 
GTR is better than olof, but not better than cold but its debatable
2018-11-19 15:56
#76
shox | 
Turkey FrosTPunK 
Another big 0/8 But I haven't seen GTR play much,Idk about him,thr only thing I know is olof will always be better overall than cold(not in cold's times ofc)
2018-11-19 16:00
You just said "I know is olof will always be better overall than cold(not in cold's times ofc)" so you basically said that cold was better and had higher peak :D + on "GTR is better than olof, but not better than cold" you replied 0/8 and then just said "But I haven't seen GTR play much" so you basically know nothing about how good he was and yet you reply with "Another BIG 0/8", lool
2018-11-21 00:18
k prokda
2018-11-21 06:02
I was don't know these details arguing with this funny guy
2018-11-21 06:04
ok, boost me on mm so... I'll let you stay alive as the last one and you win every round for me...
2018-11-21 06:31
+22
2018-11-20 01:35
#244
yuurih | 
Brazil ilm7 
+1
2018-11-21 21:30
#56
k0nfig | 
Germany Trax_ 
Fnatic_1_era_SK_0_era
2018-11-19 15:37
#236
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Brazil MadWell 
2017... u missed i guess
2018-11-21 17:59
#241
k0nfig | 
Germany Trax_ 
2017_0_eras_SK_0_eras
2018-11-21 21:25
xd
2018-11-25 19:50
pronax 3 major cold 2 major pronax > cold
2018-11-19 15:52
logical
2018-11-24 14:07
cant really argue with that :D
2018-11-24 18:26
if device is 4 then shouldnt s1mple be like 2 or 1? since we arnt going off accomplishments, only skill
2018-11-19 04:54
did i even say that lul? accomplishments are a huge factor
2018-11-19 04:54
you get accomplishments as a team not as a player. if your factoring in accomplishments as well as skill, it adds way too much bias since there are bad players with a lot of accomplishments and good players with next to none.
2018-11-19 05:27
ya but only skill is also retarded and wont actually give you the best players....so you do a mixture as i did
2018-11-19 05:36
Then where is xizt? Xizt has most trophies in cs:go out of ALL current players lul-
2018-11-19 15:58
Your acting like I only go off of either accomplishments or skill. Big brain
2018-11-19 16:21
Well ur list then doesn't make sense , cold is on scene since end of 2015 and is above a lot of players who is playing since 2012 and 2013
2018-11-20 01:25
cuse of his level being so high for so long and alot of those players got alot worse
2018-11-20 01:50
Those are 3 years. GTR was top 1 player 3 years in a row and still is on highest level till this day , ofcourse he has dropped his form but look at major , he was the best player on NiP while Rez , Dennis and Lekr0 was playing really poorly who usually should perform. Considering GTR has his illness i rate him higher than others till now in cs:go and in cs put together.
2018-11-20 03:29
Stopped reading at 1.Olof
2018-11-19 05:36
who would you put there sir?
2018-11-19 05:37
Coldzera obviously, olof was good only in 2015 and 3 months of 2016
2018-11-19 05:38
and 2nd of 2017 and abit into 2018 and now the 2nd half of 2018 hes been amazing also 2014
2018-11-19 05:42
#54
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Russia goodjob 
olof best year was literally a year where everyone had a slump.. everyone but him and guardian pretty much and then he regressed significantly
2018-11-19 15:34
0/8 2015 was the most competitive year of cs you have to stupid to think otherwise
2018-11-21 06:55
#215
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Russia goodjob 
ofc it wasnt in 2015 we've had 35 significant lan tournaments, Fnatic won 9 of them, including 2 out of 3 majors, 25 out of 35 were won by the same 3 teams: Fnatic, Envy and TSM Navi won another 3 and VP also won 3.. so it was what? 5 teams winning 30 out of 35 lans? so much competition LOL in 2016 no team won back to back significant lans.. in 2015 it happened 7 times, with fnatic once going back to back to back
2018-11-21 07:07
#217
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Russia goodjob 
actually LDLC/Envy, VP, Fnatic, TSM and VP won 32 out of 35 significant lans in 2015 LOL so competitive
2018-11-21 07:09
You only said the todo 5 teams. You didn’t talk about teams like titan, g2, and nip. All 3 teams had very good upset potential and all could beat top5 teams
2018-11-26 15:07
#431
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Russia goodjob 
they didnt win anything tho
2018-11-27 08:46
That doesn’t mean they weren’t competitive
2018-11-27 16:32
#435
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Russia goodjob 
ofc it does.. if whole year is dominated by the same teams its like saying this year is competitive
2018-11-27 17:07
You’re the type of person to say 2016 was competitive what an absolute joke
2018-11-21 06:55
T1 player since 2015 T1 player since 2013 pick one
2018-11-19 15:59
Rain? I think you should put fer instead of rain.. Just a example...
2018-11-19 05:43
Fer only really had the 2nd half of 2017 where he was a monster
2018-11-19 05:46
It is a rank of all time, right? Fer won more titles and was the 3rd player of last year.. Two times major winner... And i like rain very much, im not being a hater, this comparison is just because they are close each other
2018-11-19 05:50
2016 he was the number 15, i think, in hltv ranking too
2018-11-19 05:51
#105
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United States Jamila 
fer was also the Brazilian hard carry all the years they didn't have cold tho
2018-11-19 16:30
cold above GeT_RiGhT? GeT_RiGhT was a top player from 2012-2015 (Early), has been to 5 Major finals putting MVP numbers up in each of them (barely losing MVP to friberg on their win). He was the #1 player 2 years in a row and #7 in a year where nearly the entire rest of his team seemingly fell apart and when his own sickness got extreme. coldzera Is a top player from 2016-2017 (Arguably parts of 2018 as well but is outpaced by others heavily). He has been in 2 Majors finals and has won both of them, gaining MVP in both. Idk why but I still feel GeT_RiGhT accomplished more still.
2018-11-19 06:01
accomplishments definitely hes ahead
2018-11-19 06:26
Exactly, GTR accomplished more and was at the top in (My personal opinion) more intense times of CS as compared to 2016 and early 2017, 2012 was a bit of a sleeper but after that was certainly no sleeper. I feel GTR still deserves 2nd at least, 1st at best with many scenarios. I personally rank him first for overall but I see the argument for olof very clearly. There Top 2 isn't really disputed, with cold and shox usually fighting over 3rd and 4th. The lists vary heavily from there but that is what I see and generally agree with myself. I feel device is also too high, he has had a single great year, nowhere near #4 level. He was always a bit of a choker until this year and even then s1mple still outperforms him.
2018-11-19 06:33
It's hard one for me to decide on 1-4 imo it's just personal opinion at that point
2018-11-19 15:19
#107
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United States Jamila 
device is gonna be ranked top 5 for the 4th year in a row, if anything he has one of the best cases for #1
2018-11-19 16:33
Every "sports" have lower top levels in their early times. Thats why you cant compare Pele to Messi, and you can compare Get_right to cold/s1mple/niko.
2018-11-20 04:13
theres definitely some NA players that deserve to be on that list
2018-11-19 06:02
Like? Only one would be hiko
2018-11-19 15:19
Elige maybe? I guess
2018-11-19 16:35
I wish, but he fell off significantly this year. And he fails to deliver in any big situation
2018-11-20 01:51
what?
2018-11-22 07:14
Twistzz? cerq? autimatic?
2018-11-22 07:14
in a top 20 of all time?????
2018-11-22 07:15
yes, the top players of years ago cant compare with the top players of today. the game keeps evolving, many of the the old kings have fallen off. twistzz cerq and autimatic surely deserve a top 20 of all time placement at the very least autimatic and twistzz, maybe not cerq
2018-11-23 03:34
dude they have had 5 mother fucking months, they are not top fucking 20
2018-11-23 05:10
#32
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Canada Surzz 
olof can compare with gtr for alltime, but cold? no. stopped reading at coldzera at #2.
2018-11-19 06:03
#305
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Portugal JUNiOR107 
Cold is the goat, stats prove that
2018-11-24 03:35
#306
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Canada Surzz 
stats prove it for dummies.
2018-11-24 07:02
#326
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Portugal JUNiOR107 
Stats dont prove only for blinds like u
2018-11-24 14:05
#35
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United States small__dude 
s1mple way higher bro
2018-11-19 06:09
how? hes won nothing almost
2018-11-19 06:27
#52
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Russia goodjob 
he has 8 mvps.. only 4 players have won more
2018-11-19 15:30
#127
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United States small__dude 
hes been a top player for like 4 years and hes currently the most skilled player ever
2018-11-19 19:55
KRIMZ should be higher IMO been a rock for most of csgo's history
2018-11-19 06:25
#44
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Denmark Snakebye 
GTR top 1 best of 2012 2013 2014... even cold is better than olof
2018-11-19 15:20
Ehh, it can be debated that all of the top 4 can be in each others spots
2018-11-19 15:23
#50
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Denmark Snakebye 
Nope GTR > GUARDIAN>DEV1CE>KENNYS>COLD>OLOF
2018-11-19 15:27
CS:GO at 2012 lul. When the scene got competitive (2014) Get_Right slowly started to turn to shit. Being nowhere near the top for 3 years isn’t acceptable for the “Goat”
2018-11-19 17:28
#125
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Denmark Snakebye 
It was competitive in 2k12 you moron
2018-11-19 18:50
No, it wasn’t. But nt.
2018-11-19 20:19
#189
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Denmark Dev0ur^ 
It was though - The scene was very small, because the game was trash back then...
2018-11-20 23:26
#190
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Denmark Dev0ur^ 
Also you gotta add in that many pros from 1.6 and Source had difficult of actually transition to CS:GO due to the mechanics etc.
2018-11-20 23:27
You forgot ex6 smtzz scream rpk and apex brother
2018-11-19 15:26
#51
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Denmark Snakebye 
. wrong thread lul
2018-11-19 15:28
Dumb list, s1mple have won a ton of stuff while being a god tier player
2018-11-19 15:31
For like 6 months
2018-11-19 16:19
#55
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Russia zbogus 
I assume this is csgo, either wise where is markelof
2018-11-19 15:37
#58
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United States aSupremeSloth 
2/8 bait, if its not bait 2/8 list quality
2018-11-19 15:40
Signed up 2018-10-25 k
2018-11-19 15:49
last account *didnt * get banned
2018-11-19 20:16
also I guess this can be like a 5/8 list. There are some clearly "poorly placed" individuals
2018-11-19 20:20
Like?
2018-11-19 21:44
The way I viewed it at first mainly has to do with the fact that so many people are above s1mple, granted that can be narrowed down to the fact that s1mple should be in the top 3, which bumps most people down. I think Kenny should be a bit higher, I was thinking about moving forest and shox down to accommodate kenny moving up, but I think you can honestly just swap kenny and devve, who shouldn't be top 5 YET(keyword is yet), being his LONG history of choking when it counted. I think Niko should easily be higher, still in the 20-16 range for now, pushing into the 11-15 range in the next year if he keeps it up. I do like that Gla1ve isnt here YET but I am hoping you have him in the 21-25 range because if he keeps fragging, clutching, and IGLing at this level for another 6 months he should make his way onto the very bottom of this list. I am personally on the "Olof carried Krimz" bandwagon so I dont think he(krimz) should be so high as he took one hell of a long slump, only just picking it back up for real in Chicago(again, this was a REAAALLYY long slump) Finally, the fallen pick just feels wrong. I know when he was good he was on fire, and his recent play is probably pushing a bias I would rather not have, but fallen just feels odd to me(even tho I cant think of a reason he shouldnt be, other than the inconsistency in late 17-18) Edited for grammar and clarity as it took me far too long to write this and the original just didnt flow right
2018-11-20 16:36
he had 2 years of choking, and then 2 years of being insane without choking, stop bring up the fact of him choking 2 years ago s1mple hasnt won anything and thats why i cant put him as high as top 10
2018-11-20 20:48
I wouldnt say he has been insane for 2 years, I would say insane for 1 full year( if you can tell by my flair I am actually a huge fan of devve) also, s1mple hasnt won anything because his team is trash, and he has been single-handedly carrying them(until recently with electronics help) to numerous top4/2 finishes. The fact that you are discredditing him due to team performance while he is playing with 2 bots is actually ludicrous. Edit: IF you want to drop him from top10 you would be better off playing the mentality and toxicity card
2018-11-20 22:44
no, i like s1mple and think hes amazing player, but he cant be top 10 if he has never won anything he has the choice to demand what he wanted from players and they could have gotten hobbit. he might be a carry but you need some wins behind being a goat
2018-11-20 22:55
#62
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Brazil TURBOguy 
8/8
2018-11-19 15:43
Replace olof with cold and it's good
2018-11-19 16:01
s1mple being nr15 is fucking stupid, he is allready nr1
2018-11-19 16:06
Lul sure
2018-11-19 16:20
watch his stats compared to any other pro
2018-11-19 16:23
Cuse stats are everything lul, get out of here fanboy
2018-11-19 16:24
are you actually mentally ill?
2018-11-19 17:21
Do you seriously think stats are everything? Than that means baitzera is better than olof,right?
2018-11-19 17:29
#124
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World zebra_man3 
you are braindead if u think s1mple is even close to goat
2018-11-19 17:54
2.Cold xdddddddddddddddddddd
2018-11-19 16:09
Ur right Baitzera top 10 at best xdddddddddddddddd
2018-11-19 17:30
#91
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Poland kubonone 
Where is Kio?
2018-11-19 16:15
#92
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Sweden LynXelele 
1. GeT_RiGhT 2. kennyS 3. GuardiaN 4. f0rest 5. coldzera 6. olofmeister 7. device 8. shox 9. flusha 10. Snax 11. JW 12. KRiMZ 13. dupreeh 14. NBK 15. Xyp9x 16. FalleN 17. fer 18. s1mple 19. NiKo 20. Happy
2018-11-19 16:15
This a good list too, would like to see dev higher tho
2018-11-19 16:19
Dev1ce over olof and f0rest over guardian
2018-11-19 16:32
#112
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Russia goodjob 
putting NBK over Fallen, fer, s1mple etc. LOL
2018-11-19 16:40
Nbk_5_years_on_good_team_fallen_3
2018-11-25 02:26
6. olof HAHAAHHAAHHA olof g.o.a.t in cs go
2018-11-19 16:42
If we’re talking only CS:Go F0rest should not be that high, maybe swapping positions with flusha. Snax to low, top 5 2014-2016 and top 20 2017 is pretty impressive, if Markus Kjaerbye didn’t use hack, VP would won Atlanta with snax being MVP of it :( KennyS was literally shit in 2016 so maybe too high?(I would swap with GuardiaN) Pretty decent list too
2018-11-19 17:26
If you are ok with Get Right at #1 then why can't f0rest be positioned at #4? They had similar level of dominance at the beginning of cs go which no other players on the list apart from Shox can claim in which f0rest was more impressive considering he was going into the bombsites first with friberg while GTR had the luxury of lurking every game meaning better chance of getting better stats. Unlike Get right that dropped off since his sickness started in 2016, f0rest continues to perform relatively well to this day even garnering two MVPs in 2016 which no other player but Cold, Olof and snax had done that year and an EVP at Stockholm this very year while GTR last MVP was early 2014. f0rest consistent performance over the entire cs go which includes his prime at 2012-2013 can easily place him as a contender high in the top 10 rather than 9th or 10th
2018-11-20 23:23
1. olof sure
2018-11-19 16:42
Olof 1? That's straight up delusional
2018-11-19 17:36
How?
2018-11-19 17:52
#121
TaZ | 
United States TOCU 
"Of all time"?????? So you forgot about NEO, Edward, Potti etc. We can't ignore 1.6 or source ;)
2018-11-19 17:41
Cmon, you know I'm not talking about them
2018-11-19 17:50
#128
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Kazakhstan Madibai 
Where’s Jesper?
2018-11-19 19:58
#129
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United States small__dude 
wait how tf are rain and kio on here and not jw
2018-11-19 19:58
half the kids in this thread started playing in 2017. But, where's 3 time major champion, MVP of the first major ever, JW?
2018-11-19 20:00
Holy fuck...hes who I forgot I moved fallen around and realized I was missing someone
2018-11-19 21:45
ALLU
2018-11-19 19:59
I think you are underestimating Fallen a bit, as well as JW ofc. Good list other than those 2 though :) :)
2018-11-19 21:46
ya i lost jw in the mix of moving fallen
2018-11-19 22:40
-Kio +Krimz
2018-11-20 01:45
1. S1mple 2. Olofmeister 3. GeT_RiGhT 4. coldzera 5. kennyS 6. JW 7. shox 8. snax 9. GuardiaN 10. flusha 11. Niko 12. f0rest 14. KRIMZ 15. FalleN 16. NBK 17. device 18. apEX 19. xyp9x 20. dupreeh
2018-11-20 01:48
0/8
2018-11-20 01:51
tell me something wrong
2018-11-20 01:51
s1mple lul jw at 6 snax at 8 device not in top 3-4 f0rest so low
2018-11-20 01:53
f0rest was maybe to low device maybe should be higher s1mple 100% is number 1 because no one in CS:GO history has been as good as he is right now JW the 2 time major winner a part of the best teams til date is 100% top 10 maybe not 6 snax has been dominating for years are you making a list of this year only or just dumb?
2018-11-20 01:55
im making a list of all time, and kennys peak was higher dev1ce #20('14), #3('15), #3('16), #5('17) 2 x Major winner 1 x Major MVP, your dumb if you think hes not a fucking goat jw's form as been really bad for 3 years s1mple has never won anything so he cant be a the goat
2018-11-20 01:57
s1mple has been dominating this whole year kennyS didnt do it for this long of a time and kennyS could only dominate with the awp s1mple do it with any fucking gun. I don't like device myself so as I said "device maybe should be higher"
2018-11-20 01:58
ya i could tell you had hudge bias with not putting device in top 3 and it doesnt matter if he had an insane peak and a good 2-3 years, hes nevr won anything so he cant be a goat
2018-11-20 01:59
Why must he win to be the goat? if you are talking about achivments then JW is #1 and device isnt close
2018-11-20 02:32
yes becusae im totally going 100% either way...you have such a big brain :D
2018-11-20 04:05
You are going against yourself you say s1mple can't be number one for not winning anything barely but then JW is #1 because he has won the most. S1mple is the best player right now that has ever touched the game dont be deluded
2018-11-21 21:19
ehhh, maybe i dont personality think so
2018-11-21 21:24
It is the truth if you look at the stats
2018-11-21 22:03
maybe in personal skill, but hes not the ebst player of all time
2018-11-21 22:25
So he is the best player of all time with personal skill? and not of all time? makes sense dude :)
2018-11-23 00:26
It doesnt when accounting got trophies cuse the best has to win
2018-11-23 05:09
So JW is the best player in the game? nice one lad
2018-11-23 18:45
do you not fucking understand that you cant count for fucking both, you damn monkeys only can think 1 way at a time
2018-11-23 19:52
Why would you count both if you said top 20 players of all time. Not top 20 skill and achivment players of all time top 20 meaning top 20 best players and s1mple is the best
2018-11-23 20:23
well top 20 means the best players to ever play, ei achievements and skill is a factor
2018-11-23 22:40
Play - "engage in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose." so s1mple is #1 /closed
2018-11-24 02:39
Big brain,HEY GUYS I LOOKED UP A DEFINITION :D
2018-11-24 02:41
Small brain, HEY GUYS I DON'T KNOW SHIT :D
2018-11-25 08:06
do you not fucking understand that you can count for fucking both, you damn monkeys only can think 1 way at a time
2018-11-23 19:52
> of all time (CS:GO) > right now pick one
2018-11-21 21:47
S1mple is better right now then anyone has ever played in csgo
2018-11-21 21:56
JW 3 time major winner *facepalm*
2018-11-25 02:28
mb that was my last hltv name jw the 3 time major winner
2018-11-25 08:06
no niko top 10 no credit
2018-11-20 01:54
19.NiKo
2018-11-20 01:55
man, fallen and simple are top 10. are you kidding with shox 5.
2018-11-20 01:56
no, s1mple isnt hes never won anything fallen maybe but i think some players are just better than him
2018-11-20 01:57
"simple never won anything" i'm done, you lost all credit
2018-11-20 01:59
what has he won that mattered
2018-11-20 02:01
he won 4 tier1 tournment this year, he will be the top1 this year
2018-11-21 15:44
only 3 if i remmber correctly
2018-11-21 17:46
4 ...look here prntscr.com/llsg1q
2018-11-22 22:51
O my mistake
2018-11-23 05:11
2 tourneys that mattered StarSeries and CAC were not t1
2018-11-25 02:43
starseries not tier 1 ?? prntscr.com/lmwfzk if it is not a tier1 tournment i don't now what it is
2018-11-25 23:58
no astralis no faze
2018-11-26 02:04
cs ins't based on astralis and faze. you saw severals top10 teams... tier 1
2018-11-26 12:18
Considering they’re 2 top 5 teams they should be pretty important. We should be comparing tournaments where both attended.
2018-11-26 14:41
he won nothing wtf ^^ esl one cologne? who the fuck cares
2018-11-20 22:46
ya who tf cares about that 1 win, where is the major win where is the era without a major win where is a streak of big wins
2018-11-20 22:56
yeah you're right, I mean even north or mouseports won a tier 1 tournemant so north, mouse= navi
2018-11-20 23:00
navi have won t1 event but like....3
2018-11-20 23:04
kio? rain? ... all csgo wtf
2018-11-20 01:59
yes
2018-11-20 01:59
#160
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World P0w3rwolF 
I think overall that is a pretty good list. I would personally switch up the top 4 a bit, with GTR and device over olof and cold. Maybe s1mple and NiKo should be a little bit higher already, but I can understand why you didn't do so. I also think that one could argue for switching Happy with NBK, but I like it better like it is now
2018-11-20 02:00
#160
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World P0w3rwolF 
I think overall that is a pretty good list. I would personally switch up the top 4 a bit, with GTR and device over olof and cold. Maybe s1mple and NiKo should be a little bit higher already, but I can understand why you didn't do so. I also think that one could argue for switching Happy with NBK, but I like it better like it is now
2018-11-20 02:00
:D ya that top 4 is interchangeable and it think with happy winning 2 majors and being the mvp of one of them its kinda hard to not put him on there
2018-11-20 02:02
#164
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World P0w3rwolF 
Oh, I completely agree that Happy must be somewhere in the Top 20. But I think one could argue that he should be #13 and NBK #11, because NBK had (some) success after happy fell off. But i agree with your ranking, because of Happy being IGL and Major MVP.
2018-11-20 02:10
s1mple 15th?
2018-11-20 02:13
honestly hes prob around 16 17
2018-11-20 02:14
#181
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United States Venom_ 
0/8
2018-11-20 23:02
why?
2018-11-20 23:07
#229
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United States Venom_ 
0/8
2018-11-21 11:30
#182
ropz | 
Italy NoxteR 
I think S1mple deserves an higher rank Every team he joined time ago went to finals or somethings Flipside won vs nip cuz of S1mple Liquid in Major final and semi thanks to him... (These lastre are thoorin thoughts) I think he should be' 7th-7th mabe
2018-11-20 23:02
ehh i dont think so, he needs to win a major or have navi not go out at 16th
2018-11-20 23:06
Yes, because Guardian has won so much more than S1mple...and you have him 7 spots ahead of S1mple lmaooo. At least be consistent with your criteria.
2018-11-21 06:35
guardian has gotten 2nd place more tahn any other player i think, while being the hard carry with 4 other bots on his team. hltv.org/player/7998/s1mple#tab-achievem.. hltv.org/player/2757/GuardiaN#tab-achiev.. also guardian has won 15 events to s1mples 6
2018-11-21 07:13
#191
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Hungary Bonte 
Forest >>> shox I could see him even higher
2018-11-20 23:30
ehh you prob got a point
2018-11-21 04:12
cold>olof
2018-11-20 23:31
FalleN>s1mple
2018-11-20 23:32
coldzera way too high GeT_RiGhT a bit too low device too high f0rest a bit too high kennys too low GuardiaN a bit too high flusha way too low Happy a bit too high dupreeh too high Xyp9x too high KRiMZ too low FalleN too low rain shouldnt be here
2018-11-20 23:36
also jw should be there, lost him in a mixup i agree with most of that but the happy and device ones
2018-11-21 00:01
+1
2018-11-21 10:30
get right 1 for sure, 2 times best player, 2 times second best player and 1.6 legend
2018-11-21 00:06
1.6 has nothing to do with this
2018-11-21 00:07
ur talking about all time bro
2018-11-21 17:31
im talkign about csgo smart guy, you wonder why neo markelof arent on here?
2018-11-21 17:47
this guys logic is retarded, he didnt understand himself how he is rating players: ye judging by invidual skill is retarded, ye judging by teams achievments is retarded. 0 Logic. Puting GTR lower than Cold when his top form lasted longer than Colds. Cold was insane 2016, sucked at the start of 2017 but managed to catch up in 2nd half of 2017. S1mple who is hard carrying his teammates and actually getting good placements is at the bottom. Like author is completerly braindead.
2018-11-21 00:30
not even saying early years like up to 2015 were not that competitive, like a lot of teams were not that good while 1 team was clearly insane winning everything
2018-11-21 00:33
#205
Xyp9x | 
Denmark xlenZ 
Xy9
2018-11-21 04:14
s1mple 15 omegalul
2018-11-21 04:17
Duppreh should be out of this list
2018-11-21 06:13
why?
2018-11-21 06:16
I can tell some players better than he
2018-11-22 02:23
then tell
2018-11-22 02:32
Flamie Pasha. (Major MVP) Tarik (Major MVP) Electronic Twistz (idk his nick) Fer 3rd player 2017 JW. Duppreh is in the best team of all time, he is a good teamplayer, but this guys are better than him (If you give me more time, i can give you a bunch of players)
2018-11-22 07:33
twistz has had like fucknig 1 year of being a top 5 player doesnt equal top 20 of all time tarik just won the major and has been bad after and before electronic has only had 6-7months at the top as a top 5 player pasha has a good case for top 20 JW should be there but i forgot him while moving fallen around Duppreh has been an amazing for player for years and is now apart of the best roster of all time hes top 20 for sure
2018-11-22 07:39
Duppreh has been an amazing player? I have my doubts. Another pro players make jokes of him... Flamie, Fer, Pasha and JW should be in this list, and also all players on the bottom 7 of the list always play better than Dupreeh. He doesn't have as much individual skills as those plauers
2018-11-22 08:10
Tarik > Dupreeh, all Time? wtf
2018-11-22 07:40
apEX has certainly been better than kio imo
2018-11-21 07:01
i had alot of trouble with the last 5 tbh
2018-11-21 07:10
#219
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Sweden Maddafakka 
Stop giving cold so much love. He's not even worthy of top 20. Without taco he is nothing, as we've seen the past year.
2018-11-21 07:13
but hes still an amazing player with a dogshit team....like bruh wat
2018-11-21 07:14
#222
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Sweden Maddafakka 
He is not a good player. The fact that he was voted #1 is a fucking joke. He is just flashy, like Niko. In that case Scream could argueably be at the top too. Don't rank based on flashy flickshots please.
2018-11-21 07:19
i dont :D hltv.org/stats/players/matches/9216/cold.. Cold still with MIBR being abit of a joke i still in the past 6 months at a 1.19 rating hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/NiKo.. and the just ''flashy'' NiKo has a 1.27 Maybe dont say stupid stuff :D
2018-11-21 07:22
#230
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Sweden Maddafakka 
You call me stupid and link their stats, when I just spent a few sentences explaining why you you shouldn't rank them by stats. Good job, retard!
2018-11-21 13:23
o i do remember what your talking about, but i never said stats didnt matter did i? o ya i didnt also you said that arent good players and that cold has been shit since taco left when he hasnt at all
2018-11-21 17:45
#242
felps | 
Canada VansNTC 
even though cold used to bait taco af he still a damn good player, 2 #1 straight, the only one who get this was gtr on the beggining of cs go, so cold was a beast even baiting taco, he deserves the recognition tbh people only give him and sk hate because they are brazilians, because if a french or another swedish did that #1 2 years straight people would suck his ball af
2018-11-21 21:27
#243
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Sweden Maddafakka 
I don't give a shit where they come from, Cold never deserved to be #1.
2018-11-21 21:28
#246
felps | 
Canada VansNTC 
you think that he didnt deserve top1 BUT he won 2 times in a row, so you cant change the facts
2018-11-21 21:32
Pretty accurate
2018-11-21 07:23
I forgot jw :(
2018-11-21 07:24
#238
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Poland KaPeWuu 
1.6 neo ? xD
2018-11-21 21:20
xD ye im totally talking about fucking 1.6
2018-11-21 21:24
#245
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Australia hellboy^ 
HAPPY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
2018-11-21 21:32
#247
felps | 
Canada VansNTC 
2x major winner 1 major mvp the one who put french scene on the top with his igl skills ?
2018-11-21 21:33
#248
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Australia hellboy^ 
but he went to shit with his individual skill since his last major win so I wouldn't consider him 11th best player in the history.
2018-11-21 21:38
#249
felps | 
Canada VansNTC 
+1 he didnt deserve the 11th because there are many players that did similar things in the past and still relevant nowadays but for me a place on the top 20 is reserved to happy
2018-11-21 21:39
#253
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Denmark Mrnobody 
W/E
2018-11-21 22:13
#254
s1mple | 
Austria Arezcs 
putting s1mple not even in your top10 while get_right is 3rd shows you have no idea how to actually value a players game impact throughout the years. what gtr was doing for not even 2 years was versus lesser competition and in comparison to olof or s1mple not even that impressive. also since it's not only about their peak but about their entire career, s1mple is easily better than most on the list since he has been a beast since 2014 basically and arguably one of the most impactful player since 2016 with most likely the highest individual form ever achieved for now an entire year. and no it doesn't matter that he hasn't won the major or as many titles as others, we judge his individual play not his teams success.
2018-11-21 22:13
i judge both, if hes not won anything then he cant be a goat
2018-11-21 22:26
Sorry but cold doesnt belong in the top 10
2018-11-23 00:27
Sure ya sure makes sense
2018-11-23 05:10
cold had 2 good years, he cant be top 3 if its an all time list lol
2018-11-23 05:17
By 2 good years you mean 2 years of god teir form and winning 2 majors Not having a negative event for 2 years straight. And even with mibr being really bad form this year, still had a 1.19 rating
2018-11-23 05:26
and still 2 years of god tier form are still just 2 of 6 years in the history of csgo. I mean he is surely top 10 but i think top 3 is too much. I think thorin or some other nerd with time should put up a list of all considered top players, their teams, their tournaments, their rating and impact and all the context in between.
2018-11-23 05:29
Thorin thinks cold is the Goat, wym?
2018-11-23 05:31
#277
mir | 
Australia taragen 
0/8 no big DickStacy
2018-11-23 05:24
Tru
2018-11-23 05:26
#278
f0rest | 
Europe facecs 
hahaha kio retard franquzz 0/10
2018-11-23 05:25
#281
f0rest | 
Europe facecs 
5 fance players in top20 luul its only shox and kennys to be fair but you so dump did you just born yesterday ?
2018-11-23 05:27
What is your england?
2018-11-23 05:29
#288
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Poland MokSu 
NEO ?
2018-11-23 17:07
NOT 1.6
2018-11-23 19:51
#300
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Brazil oPLX 
At least you got the top 2 right. Fallen should be higher though. Arguably the best IGL of all time.
2018-11-24 02:52
ehhhh at this point its gla1ve but fallen with a hard 2nd i think i had abit of bias with is recent slump
2018-11-24 03:20
#307
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Israel raaVz 
1 - Olof 2 - cold 3 - Get_right 4 - Device 5 - GuardiaN 6 - FalleN 7 - Snax 8 - f0rest 9 - NiKo 10 - Shox 11 - KennyS 12 - S1mple 13 - Dupreeh 14 - KRIMZ 15 - Fer 16 - Flusha 17 - NBK 18 - ScreaM 19 - Kioshima 20 - ApeX
2018-11-24 07:17
and people said i have a french bias where is jw? where is happy? why is niko so high why is kenny so low why is shox so low why is scream there why is fer there snax too high
2018-11-24 07:31
#311
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Israel raaVz 
Kennys low? shox low? -kio +happy* JW is a bot since 2015 scream maybe 21 fer really good in 2015/16/17/18 snax top 4 for 3 years in a row and 20 in 2017.. but shit right now niko top 2 for 2 years in a row ,
2018-11-24 07:52
kennys highest peak of all time shox debatabley 2nd highest and 2 of the best french players happy is a top 5-10 player JW hasnt but he hasnt been the star he was, still top 15 fer was really good 16-17 but before and after no snax i can kinda see but he should be dropped down by kenny shox and happy niko has been amazing before that too but hasnt got that major scream is not even top 30, i dont see how hes on there
2018-11-24 07:55
#313
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Israel raaVz 
s1mple Peak >>> kennyS peak and s1mple can win tier 1 titles at his peak
2018-11-24 08:21
s1mple also had electronic at his peak, and a decent flamie kenny had fucking manic ex6 apex and a just out of retirement rpk like wtf is he working with there
2018-11-24 08:31
also had a awp nerf cutting his peak short
2018-11-24 08:32
He was so good valve literally nerfed the awp just because of him
2018-11-25 02:46
s1mple cant even do that
2018-11-25 02:49
#309
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North America AlanSmith 
shit list check the best list ever by me hltv.org/forums/threads/1927763/top-20-p.. thank me later
2018-11-24 07:36
no cold no fallen no s1mple Hiko has fallen off to hard to still be there 0/8
2018-11-24 07:41
#317
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North America AlanSmith 
newfag
2018-11-24 08:38
lol ya sure dude
2018-11-24 08:39
#319
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North America AlanSmith 
you don't even know where this list comes from.
2018-11-24 08:39
thorin 2015 right?
2018-11-24 08:41
#316
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Poland Konteiz 
good list
2018-11-24 08:34
Cold 2 and device 4th Wrong.
2018-11-24 08:50
then what?
2018-11-24 08:52
They should be in there but not that high.
2018-11-24 08:52
how? #20('14), #3('15), #3('16), #5('17) but not a top 4 player ok aaaaaand 2 majors and 1 mvp with the most dominate era of all time and 2 years of being the best player with 2 majors and 2 major mvps and almost never having bad games let alone matches and with mibr being a joke for about 6-7 months still had a 1.20 rating
2018-11-24 09:00
Okay? then why the fuck isnt the hole of Fnatic on the Top 20 then?
2018-11-24 12:07
well i ment to put jw in there but lost him when i was moving a few people around and olof flusha and krimz are there sooooooo? whats your point
2018-11-24 18:26
Its ur logic. People who win Majors should be in the top 20. So where is Jw and Pronax?
2018-11-25 00:43
nigga can not read ''well i ment to put jw in there but lost him when i was moving a few people around'' and how do yall not realize that i put winning and skill into my top 20 like holy fuck yall are retarded af
2018-11-25 00:46
No you are. If ur doing skill why did u put in Get Right, happy.
2018-11-25 00:48
you have to be baiting 0/8
2018-11-25 00:49
No im not mate. Im just showing how retarded you are.
2018-11-25 00:49
THEY ARE 50/50 YOU BRAINDEAD HOLY FUCK
2018-11-25 00:50
Name checks out. also flag checks out. French scene is dead. If ur doing skill and Winning. 1. S1mple. 2. Dev1ce. 3. Coldzera. 4.KennyS. 5.Guardian.
2018-11-25 00:51
HAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA 0/8 atleast we were relevant at a time, Australia cs OMEGALUL
2018-11-25 00:52
Yes, Australia cs is a meme I agree. Go back to school fuck whit.
2018-11-25 00:53
Olof in 1 i'ts a total joke.
2018-11-25 00:47
who should be 1 then?
2018-11-25 00:47
coldzera or gtr for sure, olof just had one year playing in goat level, cold and gtr had two, they also have more mvp's and better ratings in prime than olof.
2018-11-25 00:49
well i did say that 1-4 all have a huge case for 1st at that point it was mainly my personal opinion
2018-11-25 00:50
Bro he does it over winning and skill. Dont worry about this idiot
2018-11-25 00:49
i dont....but lul
2018-11-25 00:49
"and how do yall not realize that i put winning and skill into my top 20 like holy fuck yall are retarded af" Sure thing buddy.
2018-11-25 00:52
its ok, go be a s1mple fanboy somewhere else
2018-11-25 00:53
Im not a fan of s1mple...
2018-11-25 00:54
#342
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Brazil leo1mibr 
FNX???
2018-11-25 00:51
not even top 40
2018-11-25 00:52
#350
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Brazil leo1mibr 
nice joke france boy
2018-11-25 00:53
hes garbo, like he had 6 months of being good then fell right back off
2018-11-25 00:54
#353
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Brazil leo1mibr 
he has 2 majors how many majors have simple? snax? niko? guardian? he played 2 majors and won 2 majors = 100%
2018-11-25 00:56
but then he couldnt even qualify for the next 5-6 sooooooo
2018-11-25 00:56
#355
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Brazil leo1mibr 
he get bored and stoped the career now hes coming back
2018-11-25 00:57
ya i bet, excuses hes had KNG and felps and cant even get inot the minor
2018-11-25 00:58
#357
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Brazil leo1mibr 
bored only parting and fkng girls also he has 1 major from 1.6
2018-11-25 00:58
1.6 dont matter in this list and hes still a joke
2018-11-25 01:01
#359
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Brazil leo1mibr 
thats why I said also... he is not a joke, he's super good in the game, he has history in the game and people should respect that
2018-11-25 01:02
na, he fucked that up hes the laughing stock of cs
2018-11-25 01:04
#347
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Brazil leo1mibr 
lol nice joke
2018-11-25 00:53
#360
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Brazil Diego117 
1- Olof 2-Cold 3-Get Right 4-device 5-fallen 6-flusha 7-forest 8-Snax 9-Kenny S 10-Guardian 11- S1mple 12-Krimz 13-Duppreh 14-Shox 15-JW 16- Xyp9x 17-Nbk 18-Glaive 19-Happy 20-Niko/Fer
2018-11-25 01:03
shox way higher, kenny abit higher flusha to high happy wayyyyyyy to low and gla1ve isnt top 20
2018-11-25 01:05
#363
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Brazil Diego117 
shox is not higher because cant go trough playoffs in majors or win a lot of tournements against top teams recently and since 2016 he dosent look himself (run with g2 and scream) Kenny boom was in a bad titan team and beggining of envyus( best run as a team) i think his ok on 9 flusha was robbed top 1 2014 in my opinon, very consistent and clutch player 3 time major winner give me reasons too put him low i dont like Gla1ve but he created a new meta as an igl so yeah for me he deserves a spot Happy was pretty good until 2015 the last 3 years not so much...
2018-11-25 01:14
+1
2018-11-25 01:16
i think happy is in about the same spot as flusha so id put ahppy around 6-7 most of that i can agree with
2018-11-25 01:19
#366
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Brazil Diego117 
I dont know in what world you put happy in the same level of flusha, flusha is a better lurker, better winner, better clutcher, his way better with nades, can play way better support and carrier, and if u watch mathces you know that flusha ADR is insane, flusha has more mvps, has better rating, has better hltv top ranks and more majors, i understand you are french but common happy is no where near of flusha level, the problem with happy is he coundt update his game and his igl always the same lurk and loose style .
2018-11-25 01:30
idk, iv always seen him as the carry of the french scene tbh flusha was definitely better
2018-11-25 01:32
#368
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Brazil Diego117 
is respect Happy a lot i am a huge fan of him, he did a pretty good job on french scene in 2014-2015 and was the carry in 2014 with shox 4sure, but as i said he didnt update his loose style and his lurk, i hope he can comeback stronger with this new lineup in Vitality
2018-11-25 01:40
same..they are the only reason i stick around
2018-11-25 01:51
#369
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France FanchD 
1. Olof 2. GTR 3. kennyS 4. Flusha 5. f0rest 6. Device 7. Shox 8. GuardiaN 9. Snax 10. Coldzera 11. s1mple 12. JW 13. KRiMZ 14. Happy 15. Dupreeh 16. NBK- 17. Xyp9x 18. kioShiMa 19. Gla1ve 20. FalleN
2018-11-25 01:47
cold i way fucking higher than taht and device is abit higher
2018-11-25 01:52
#388
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France FanchD 
How can Device be higher than f0rest or Flusha in an all time list ?
2018-11-25 02:09
#372
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Norway EaZy_4_NiKo 
Cold and FalleN waaayy too low bro, and NiKo deserves a spot imo
2018-11-25 01:52
#382
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France FanchD 
Coldzera only had two years of relevancy, sure he got 2 #1, 2 majors and 2 majors MVP, but the fact that he got only those 2 years of relevancy get him to #10 on that list, same thing for FalleN
2018-11-25 02:07
and this year he will def be top 10 with his team not being the best all year hes prob the goat tbh
2018-11-25 02:08
#391
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France FanchD 
Only winning some tier 5 events in 2018, Olof is the goat, maybe GTR, but not Coldzera
2018-11-25 02:12
also being one of the 2 teams to be able to take astri on in their era hes so beyond fucking, and the fact that mibr slumped and he still kept a 1.20 is fucking crazy
2018-11-25 02:14
#373
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Czech Republic Whitezz 
Happy ??? What the f ? He never fraged he never showed some amazing skill he may be ''good'' back in 2014/15. By good i mean he played alright and not like a bot.
2018-11-25 01:55
play alright, won 2 majors as an igl and star for both
2018-11-25 02:00
#377
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Czech Republic Whitezz 
Let me tell you that he was never star for ldlc/envy It was shox and kenny. /closed
2018-11-25 02:02
shox was in envy?
2018-11-25 02:05
#383
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Brazil Diego117 
hltv.org/events/1553/dreamhack-winter-20.. if happy is not the star in ldlc why he was awarded the mvp of the major and not shox?
2018-11-25 02:07
#386
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Norway EaZy_4_NiKo 
Happy was a star dude, get ur fact straight
2018-11-25 02:09
I think that Snax, Kio and Fallen can go up a little, (maybe I think it from Fallen cuz im'a fan)... But is it imo xD
2018-11-25 02:01
tbh kio shouldnt be on here, jw should be amd ya fallen can go up to about 11
2018-11-25 02:02
Uhm, about Kio... He was major champion, right? I mean ... Would not that have a good "weight" in his history?
2018-11-25 02:14
hes top 25, but hes been kicked from every team hes been in
2018-11-25 02:15
#384
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Canada NMX_ 
s1mple shouldn't be 15 and GeT_Right's prime as against fucking bots and very games. He shouldn't even be top 5. He is more like low top 10 to me.
2018-11-25 02:08
i think hes one of the goats, cant even fuck with it
2018-11-25 02:09
1. Olof Stopped reading there
2018-11-25 02:09
f0rest over device and neo over device. snax n.7 imo
2018-11-25 02:12
how in the fuck is neo a top 5-6 player of all time in csgo? device #20('14), #3('15), #3('16), #5('17) 2 x Major winner 1 x Major MVP F0rest #2('13), #7('14), #16('15), #7('16) 1 x Major winner Neo #17('15) 1 x Major winner
2018-11-25 02:20
alsooo neo 0.98 all time F0rest 1.13 all time Device 1.17 all time
2018-11-25 02:28
If it's all time Cs where is Neo god 1.6 ?
2018-11-25 02:19
im not talking about 1.6 ffs
2018-11-25 02:21
+1. Except coldzera is no:1. Dude is insane 1v1 situations
2018-11-25 19:45
Olof too high
2018-11-25 19:47
1. Simple 2. Device 3. Niko Rest is correct
2018-11-25 19:51
hahahahahahaahahaha, no
2018-11-25 20:32
#413
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Portugal barret0 
1-cold 2-fox .........
2018-11-25 19:53
s1mple #15 OMEGALUL needs to be higher, he's been carrying his teams for at least 4 years now
2018-11-26 00:00
Neo and Forest should bouth be in top 10 coz they were best 1.6 players no doubt and in csgo they werent that bad to go out of top10.
2018-11-26 14:45
Idc about 1.6 snd am not talking about it
2018-11-26 16:25
Then why you told of all time? Still neo should ve in top20 whit pasha coz pasha was the one who bringed agresive awping in game and tge imact he dose in game is pretty good
2018-11-26 16:45
I'm talking csgo, I diint know fuxking anything about 1.6 And neo had .95 rating over all of csgo...he aint top 20 Pasha has q good case but I have abit of q bias since to his recent form
2018-11-26 17:55
1. Device 2. Magisk/Dupreeh 3. Dupreeh/Magisk 4. Gla1ve 5. Xyp9x rest doesn't matter
2018-11-26 14:49
Ha lul
2018-11-26 16:25
i think s1mple is the most skilled player to ever play. But device is on fire, and has an amazing team around him, where s1mple has electronic only. A s1mple device comparison is hard to make as they are both exceptionally skilled players, but they play in very different teams, and in very different ways. I would say either of them is number 1 while the other is 2. And it depends if the listing is based on events won or ability as a player
2018-11-26 18:02
Not talking about 2018
2018-11-26 18:06
#432
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Portugal Dimigue 
no Get_Right ?
2018-11-27 08:49
3.GTR
2018-11-27 16:20
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