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Taxation is theft
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United States jcv999 
Change my mind.
2018-11-20 07:28
Ok so who pay for road if no tax Using simple analogy for your peanut brain
2018-11-20 07:31
Our own money
2018-11-20 07:33
Tax is your own money. What's the problem? i know tax is ideally used for common interests like education, and given that you percieve no use of that, having never been to school and all, I can see why you'd start questioning the idea of taxes. I find the philospohical matter of the semantics regarding taxation completely uninteresting because it's irrelevant. It works as a cohesive system to support common interests.
2018-11-20 16:07
#183
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Netherlands pewpeww 
Don't bother bro, there is no point. If he really thinks taxation is theft there is no point trying to explain him anything. Especially those people who make stupid statements and then ask people to change their mind. Waste of your time.
2018-11-20 16:16
nice tax rates
2018-11-20 18:26
Still cheaper than USA for a family with 5 children :D
2018-11-20 19:16
feelsbadman
2018-11-20 19:50
5-17k dollars per year for daycare lmao :D And you retards are afraid of nordic style taxation :D
2018-11-20 19:55
whoa now. Don't include me in with the morons. I have been saying this shit for years
2018-11-20 19:57
Aah so you want to eat rats like in Venezuela? :D
2018-11-20 20:00
we build our own roads joking btw
2018-11-20 18:27
Scandinavia > the USA
2018-11-20 21:08
+1
2018-11-20 23:27
#240
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Poland Ryunar 
you're bullshitting hard
2018-11-20 20:50
cuck
2018-11-20 21:08
#251
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Poland Ryunar 
and trying to sound smart while at it
2018-11-20 22:06
#289
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
Hes from reddit
2018-11-21 16:18
I've seen poorly maintained public as well as private roads. Solutions aren't that simple.
2018-11-20 23:09
the customer?
2018-11-20 07:33
Customers of the roads? So the entire population? Aka tax?
2018-11-20 07:58
#33
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World lalt 
No, customers are people who actually use the road. So if applying liberalism to roads, then you should pay only for pieces of road network you actually use.
2018-11-20 08:23
#37
k0nfig | 
Denmark nalleB 
What if you're driving all over the US, do you have to pay for all road networks? Also, how is it divided in rural areas where only a few people need a huge road network to transport food to the rest of the nation so that they don't starve? Seems like a certain system is needed here to divide it fairly in a way, since all of the population has a gain off of road networks in a capitalistic market. Hmm.. maybe.. taxation?
2018-11-20 08:37
#50
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
No, people who actually use the roads form contracts with their customers and employers to pay for the road usage. The market sorts itself out without the need for coertion.
2018-11-20 10:44
#59
k0nfig | 
Denmark nalleB 
And how would millions of miles of road be managed in that way? Ticket booths? LOL
2018-11-20 10:52
#60
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Simple, you just let firms buy land and build roads freely. Ticket booths are a way of excluding people and can be used. The problem is that in most countries the government prohibits firms from building alternatives to their prescious public roads. They are actually in bed with public contractors and its just a huge monopoly scheme to steal from you. But muh roads right?
2018-11-20 10:55
#92
k0nfig | 
Denmark nalleB 
"Ticket booths are a way of excluding people and can be used." This will increase the transportation time everywhere in the country. Not only will the average time needed of people going to work increase, it will also delay transportation of goods, which will increase the expenditure and thereby the price of goods. Furthermore, it will require an absolutely huge investment in those "booths". Also, what about the rural areas where transportation to work and transport of goods isn't needed? They can't possibly afford to build the road themselves and they can't directly go to retail stores in an easy manner, which means a lack of profit. So if I get this straight.. the roads will be build by contractors who owns the roads and demand a certain amount to use them? Who's to say that they won't make their own monopoly and demand a huge amount, making it even worse than it is now? How can they maintain the roads in places that doesn't have a lot of traffic? Also, these roads are already in place.. so none of this is needed in the first place. The only thing you are paying for is the maintenance, which has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
2018-11-20 12:06
#97
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
"Furthermore, it will require an absolutely huge investment in those "booths"." Yes and its done privately, not but overpriced government contracts. You mean that without government people cant build and maintain roads when they have been doing for god knows how long. So there is actually efficiency gains here, because real market pricing and calculation will actually work. "Also, what about the rural areas where transportation to work and transport of goods isn't needed? They can't possibly afford to build the road themselves and they can't directly go to retail stores in an easy manner, which means a lack of profit." How do you know? Agricultural business is huge and there is nothing stopping them form uniting and contracting some other firm to build roads for them. You assertion is nonsensical. "Also, these roads are already in place.. so none of this is needed in the first place. The only thing you are paying for is the maintenance, which has nothing to do with what you're talking about." Besides the point. Even with goverment roads in place it does not change the nature of taxation, does not change the fact that goverment keeps firms from competing with their roads and it does not exclude the possibility of privatization.
2018-11-20 12:11
no taxes = no laws. now out.
2018-11-20 22:40
#258
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
bullshit, now out
2018-11-20 22:53
You didn't reply to the part about companies monopolizing roads, which was probably the only point worth refuting.
2018-11-20 23:15
no taxes = no money to uphold laws.
2018-11-21 06:37
#294
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
Tell me one example in the last 2000 years where the people build roads themself
2018-11-21 18:20
#99
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World necessvry 
Ez solution - air transport.. using roads in 2kXX 4Head Oh wait were still not in (future) 3kXX :c
2018-11-20 12:17
#133
k0nfig | 
Denmark nalleB 
I think Elon Musk wants it done within 10-20 years.
2018-11-20 13:53
#218
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World necessvry 
Cant wait when all countries on earth go as single absolute unit aaand 'explore galaxy (maybe).. Aint gonna happen even in thousand years ofc..
2018-11-20 19:31
ahhahahaha are u serious
2018-11-20 12:54
#110
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Governments do prohibit competition with their roads and rent-seeking on public contracts is an epidemic reality. Whats funny about that?
2018-11-20 12:55
let everyone build roads freely
2018-11-20 12:55
#112
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Why not?
2018-11-20 12:56
#136
k0nfig | 
Denmark nalleB 
Everyone can build roads freely, you just have to own the land to build ANYTHING on it legally in the first place..? LOL
2018-11-20 13:56
not tru in most countries. u need permission by a government/regional government to build pretty much anything.
2018-11-20 22:43
#257
k0nfig | 
Denmark nalleB 
Depends what you're building and which kind of land you own. Obviously if you need to dig deep for structure, or if could be damaging for the environment or against regulations/laws it wouldn't be something you could "just do". But for the most part, you're allowed to build roads on privately owned land.
2018-11-20 22:47
Yes because roads are not monopolies :D Buy all roads and charge like crazy till the competition gets opened. Then buy that too and repeat.
2018-11-20 23:11
What about the piece of road fire fighter use to come extinguish your neighbor home so it doesn't propagate to your very own home?
2018-11-20 11:55
#149
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
Why should we pay for firefighters that mostly help other people instead of ourselves. If we want firefighters we should be able to request some sort of insurance from a firm.
2018-11-20 14:42
Read again my message to understand.
2018-11-20 15:21
#171
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
Then they should have privitised insurance aswell. If they dont want it thats fine, but its theft to just take his money and forcing him to pay for firefighters
2018-11-20 15:31
Insurance wont save your family from the flames.
2018-11-20 15:58
#177
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
By that logic so wont firefighters I previously mentioned that they are privitised firefighters
2018-11-20 16:00
that's why you can't privatize them. You start to get the point.
2018-11-20 16:03
#179
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
you obviously can
2018-11-20 16:14
#177
2018-11-20 16:14
#181
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
Whats the diffrence between state paid firefighters and privitised ones. why would privitied ones be illegitimate?
2018-11-20 16:14
Because if your neighbor didn't pay the fire fighter then they don't extinguish his home then your family burn despite you paying them.
2018-11-20 16:17
#185
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
Their fault, but its better than forcing people to pay for it
2018-11-20 16:18
Read again.
2018-11-20 16:19
#190
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
Do you pay for your neighbors damages when an earthquake breaks out
2018-11-20 16:29
You don't get the point : your family is DEAD. who's fault? Not you since you paid for firefighters, not your neighbor since he is given the right to not pay. About an earthquake, yes you pay for your neighbors damages and multiple times : -through nationalized expenses, such as rescues unit, etc.. That comes from taxes -through insurances, since it is basically how insurance works : you pay your prime according to the average cost among every payers.
2018-11-20 16:34
#197
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
If I pay for a firefighter like insurance and they let my family die then its the companies fault for not fufilling their duty. That's the companies fault, but how does that make state paid firefighters legitimate? What if they let someone die? Also why should the lower class pay the "average among every payer" even if they cant afford it?
2018-11-20 16:45
Because fire goes faster from a home to another than the firefighter take to come to your house? Especially since they are probably further away since the closest fire fighter is not depending of the companies you paid for, and they can't use the fastest road since it is not their own, etc.. Since it is how insurance is currently working, the lower class is paying it right now, so they can afford it.
2018-11-20 16:50
#204
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
If its not worse than the state firefighters then why would there be any problem.
2018-11-20 17:34
You are retarded
2018-11-21 16:23
Do you understand the concept of emergencies?
2018-11-21 07:00
Do YOU?
2018-11-21 16:23
Do you understand the concept of emergencies?
2018-11-21 18:33
#291
2018-11-21 21:28
that's what road tax is for, people who drive and use the road you throbbing bellend
2018-11-20 12:01
#293
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World lalt 
I guess you didnt read OP. TAX=theft So.. what you are saying is that theft is solution!
2018-11-21 17:11
I read OP's post just fine, simply stating that your comment above is a load of bollocks
2018-11-21 19:46
+1 autism
2018-11-20 19:38
[accidental double-post]
2018-11-20 07:33
#15
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United States jcv999 
But is the government not stealing from you? It doesn't matter what the money is used for. It is stolen from you
2018-11-20 07:51
Why do you consider it as theft?
2018-11-20 07:52
#24
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United States jcv999 
You don't consent.
2018-11-20 08:09
You have the right to leave the USA and try to find a country that suits your needs of no tax. All though it will be hard to find. If you willingly stay in USA you have to pay tax cause that is how representative democracy works. We have selected people to represent us in the government and there for we have to accept the rules they lay out... Even if you only wanted the users of roads, schools, fire department, police etc to pay for the services, you would need someone to govern these institutes. So being totally free from government, and thereby tax payment, would be a hard to manage if you do not have a central place to structure it.
2018-11-20 08:19
Shhhhh! Dont use Logic! NA brains really dont like that.
2018-11-20 10:04
#54
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Germany RobiDable 
+999 LMAO
2018-11-20 10:46
All you can do is try and hope :D
2018-11-20 11:04
What are you talking about? No one disagreed with what Fingernem said, but taxation is still theft because it is the taking of money without consent. No one said we don’t need it, but that didn’t disprove “taxation is theft”
2018-11-20 19:25
Denmark and USA has the same average IQ. While Denmark has a population of 5.77 million USA has 325.7 million What does THAT logic tell ya? hahaha
2018-11-21 16:27
That averages don't care about the amount of people?
2018-11-21 18:35
#52
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
You speak as if there is free mobility of labor. In this kind of world your logic would apply, but its not the case at all.
2018-11-20 10:45
go to bir tawil, start your own communist country lul😎
2018-11-20 11:02
You are right. There are a lot of obstacles that you need to overcome in order to move to another country. Because this country have rules and taxes as well. We try, in the EU via Schengen, to give free mobility to our labour force but it have shown that there are many problems because of the indifference in lifestyle and living expenses in the EU country's. This maybe the primary reason for Brexit...
2018-11-20 11:03
#70
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Dont be mistaken people still vote with their feet and move towards freer places, but its not as easy to do. Specially when you are living under the heavy boot of corrupt governments from third world countries.
2018-11-20 11:08
Indeed, and the country you enter is just corrupt on another level. Power does something to people...
2018-11-20 11:13
Somalia is his wet dream: no taxes there.
2018-11-20 12:59
Sounds like a good option for him :D
2018-11-24 21:32
how old are u? 18?
2018-11-20 11:16
danish cuck so happy hes getting cucked for 60% of his money roads constitute from 1 to 2% of most national budgets and if roads are so important people would fund them, build them and rent them
2018-11-20 11:12
#103
Sweden PPH 
You cant talk sense to the senseless
2018-11-20 12:40
mostly they take a loan for the road and taxes are just national debt u pay back to the banks-
2018-11-20 20:52
#2
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France SpooceCooke 
No it’s true. But unless there is tax you’ll just have an ancap country. And you don’t want that, believe me. But the taxation we have, here in France for example, is just way too much for the middle class.
2018-11-20 07:31
+1 I'd rather be forced to pay my share than to live in an anarchy.
2018-11-20 07:32
#63
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
But you could have your own slave guards that would enforce law over your land Thats the dream right there
2018-11-20 11:00
#96
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France SpooceCooke 
Not when you’re the slave lmao And there would be more slaves than owners
2018-11-20 12:07
#101
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Ofc but its up to the owners to decide how to treat slaves. Also, slaves become slaves due to their own mistakes people dont just become slaves
2018-11-20 12:31
#122
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France SpooceCooke 
What if people get tricked into becoming slaves? In a country where education is completely private, how would slaves get education and rise? Also, why would a slave owner educate his slaves? If he is a "good" owner, fine. But even then he'd eventually just lose the slaves because these slaves would want to become independent.
2018-11-20 13:40
#141
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
"What if people get tricked into becoming slaves? In a country where education is completely private, how would slaves get education and rise?" I mean in US slaves didnt rise, it was the non slaves that didnt think slave ownership was humane so banned it. Slaves didnt have much to do with it. "Also, why would a slave owner educate his slaves?" You can educate them to become a tutor, any employment that requires education really. A lawyer. "If he is a "good" owner, fine. But even then he'd eventually just lose the slaves because these slaves would want to become independent." I mean thats why having slaves not so good idea
2018-11-20 14:16
#142
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France SpooceCooke 
Of course but the majority was not so big was it? so much that there was a civil war and black people still ended up seggregated. Yeah but that's the thing, wouldn't slave owners just keep very basically educated slaves and treat them like shit? the slaves wouldn't even rebel because they wouldn't know better lmao a bit dangerous don't you think
2018-11-20 14:22
“And you don't want that, believe me.” Nt, couch expert. Your agruments are on the level of a 12 year old putting “.” at the end of a sentence online to look smart.
2018-11-20 08:41
#88
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France SpooceCooke 
Ok, what are yours? I just can’t be bothered to go into details because the reasons are pretty obvious. Anyone can think of why it’s an incredibly bad idea. Also, he’s asking for an opinion, I give mine. You give yours since you’re the expert I imagine
2018-11-20 11:58
are you the 12 year old given that you have ironically done the same?
2018-11-20 12:03
#53
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Why would you not want that?
2018-11-20 10:46
#94
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France SpooceCooke 
No gov services, no institutions, no good roads, completely mad prices, anarchy. Very difficult law enforcement also. Nearly too many to list
2018-11-20 12:04
#98
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Ancapism means no State, not a lack of governance. It means private justice (courts of arbritration), private security, private roads, insurance companies etc It also means genuine market pricing, not government meddled shit.
2018-11-20 12:14
#100
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France SpooceCooke 
Fair enough, however the prices will often be crazy for the average person and the country would be rife woth corruptions of all sprts. Even more than now amirite Also who would enforce things like ecology and the environment?
2018-11-20 12:18
#104
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
I dont know how can you apriori determine that(about corruption), specially since the interaction between private coorporations and government is the prime source of corruption(rent-seeking). Which is basically using the the State for privileges and monopoly power. Regarding the environment, Socialist countries were notorious for their waste and pollution, while more capitalistic countries, specially when we had monarchies (private states) were much more concerned with preservation(just look at Europian forests and parks). Thats basically due to the fact that when you own the land you tend to care for its market pricing(capitalization) and good conditions of living(after all you live there and pay for whatever goes on in there). Id be more worried in an perfect utopic ancap society about a rigid intransigence towards pollution than the contrary.
2018-11-20 12:47
#118
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France SpooceCooke 
True, there is a lot of corruption generated by the relationship between the gov and the companies but what about market wide ententes in oligopolistic markets such as telecoms? This had been happening for years in France until the gov noticed and fucked them hard for it. The phone subcription were shit and way overpriced because of that so without the gov as a deterrent, perhaps corruption between companies would get much worse? All of these are assumptions, of course. But we've never lived through ancap so we can only predict. Yes socialist countries apart from Scandi countries are shit in terms of environment but I don't believe in socialism either as it's doomed to go too far into deficit (again) just like France right now. It's absolutely fine if the strong growth continues though. But when you cripple the middle classes with tax it goes without saying that the economy is going to slow down. Even if the taxes aren't that high but that the population feels like it can't spend as much. Tbh many things could happen in ancap, it would work better in more honest countries such as Sweden and Norway but not in Latin countries for example. I'm worried about the environment regardless really lmao Even under powerful states, they usually barely even pretend that they care but nowadays, environment-focused parties often rhyme with socialism so... A bit of a shit dilemma if you ask me !
2018-11-20 13:34
#124
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
I dont know about the specific case of France regarding telecom, but from what I have seen the usual road towards shit servicing goes like that: -govt declares telecom(or any service that is branded as naturally monopolistic) an essential service to prevent "monopoly" -govt creates regulatory agencies to watch over the market -said agencies creates myriads of regulations including protectionism against foreign companies -it generates monopolies -service goes to shite because of high pricing and shit service and market system gets blamed -govt creates more rules and regulations to fix what they have done and moves towards a socialized service or try to break up companies they helped enlarge it either stops altogether or goes full social, and generally people will favor the later because its supposedly "free" But as I said I dont know what really happened in France
2018-11-20 13:44
#128
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France SpooceCooke 
Sounds like a logical thing that would happen. Indeed, in France, the principal company was France Telecom and state owned but then they opened it to competition, sold it and now it's called Orange. but other companies which were already pretty big (most notably SFR and Bouygues Telecom) all reached agreements between each other which made offers shit and unevolving for a long time. Basically they all agreed on their prices and market share. Since the sanctions from the government however, offers have gotten much better and these companies are being held accountable for these mistakes. Moreover, Orange is a very successful international company now in Africa, the UK and some other European countries. So things have gotten better but this is just an example, I do not know about the statistics or even how we would measure that
2018-11-20 13:47
#134
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Sounds reasonable, specially since you guys moved from a State owned system to a privatized one. Privatization of state companies is always problematic because the recipient owner will have a built in structure ready for him whereas competition will not, so it will be leaps ahead from the get go, even if the company was a financial mess before. Privatization does not always equate free markets, specially since I suspect the companies that reached an agreement were not afraid of internal and external competition for some reason (probably regulatory too).
2018-11-20 13:55
#138
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France SpooceCooke 
Quite right, there were also a lot of negociation regarding government paid workers. My mother has been working for Orange for a long time and she is still a "fonctionnaire" (that's what they're called here, government paid workers) even though she works for a private company. The French state did go and buy a lot of companies under Mitterrand and it got us into a lot of debt as well... And yes privatization can sometimes give out an illusion of free market but the transition often takes a long time
2018-11-20 14:04
#106
Sweden PPH 
How would competition lead to higher prizes than a monopoly? I hardly belive a state built on competition would result in a higher average prize than the 50-60% in taxes to a monopoly based state, that's underperforming with the amount of money they get, and spend the money on useless bureaucracy that leads nowhere.
2018-11-20 12:44
#120
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France SpooceCooke 
Very few markets are monopolies though, as I said in #118 : the real problem will be growing corruption between big companies in oligopolistic markets. At least that's what I think would happen, who knows what would really happen
2018-11-20 13:36
#151
Sweden PPH 
By having the gouvernment in control of transport, hospitals, roads etc, that is a monopoly. And that the gouvernment then buys services from other companys that in the majority of cases results in overprised products, that often works way worse than other solutions on the market, dont really prove that the gouvernment is more capable to do the right decisions than a free market.
2018-11-20 14:46
#160
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France SpooceCooke 
You know you can have public AND privatised services right? there are private and state owned hospitals here... Therefore there is no monopoly, what are you on about
2018-11-20 15:00
#164
Sweden PPH 
Ofcourse, but the result having both, is that you're still forced to pay taxes for the state owned, even if you just want to use the private hospitals for example. Which means you spend so much more money than necessary for a service you might not even use.
2018-11-20 15:10
#201
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France SpooceCooke 
Oh I’m not arguing that we’re not paying too much taxes, we (middle class) certainly are. Many taxes in France are complete abberations and you can choose to go to a private hospital but tbh the public hospitals here are good, but the workers there are severely underpaid for their work... Taxes in general are a good thing is what I’m saying, when it vomes to particular cases that changes ;)
2018-11-20 17:12
Ancap is the best utopia, are you retarded or lefty?
2018-11-20 14:13
#143
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France SpooceCooke 
>utopia also probably retarded
2018-11-20 14:23
At least is more probable to success than communism, who is more retarded? you, who believe in something already prove wrong, with millions of casualties XDDDDDDDDDDDD
2018-11-20 14:28
#146
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France SpooceCooke 
Lmao u completely dumb or baiting? The point is they’re utopias so communism is just as retarded as ancap In fact you’re even more retarded than both combinef lmaooooo
2018-11-20 14:32
lulz your failure is not to count the advance of technology and to deny the success, and the morality of capitalism
2018-11-20 14:36
#152
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France SpooceCooke 
Capitalism is an exacerbation of human behaviour, it’s fine but it can go very sour if you don’t establish boundaries. I agree with capitalism, not absolute free market capitalism though... That is unless you really don’t give a fuck about morals and just crush the people under you and fair enough, but I don’t think this’ll ever get a majority in a democratic country heh
2018-11-20 14:46
Yeah your morality is making Paris a shithole, good luck friend was a nice talk.
2018-11-20 14:49
#159
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France SpooceCooke 
1. you're a fakeflagger 2. b8er 3. have a nice day ! :)
2018-11-20 14:59
Your anus hurts, i know but hey that happens when you try to debate with ppl more educate then yourself :)
2018-11-20 15:01
#162
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France SpooceCooke 
lmao you have good humour, when you get used to hltv sometimes you forget what it's like... Used to be on 4chan a lot so I get where you're coming from
2018-11-20 15:02
articulate yourself, i give you time. Come to Tokyio 1B in a few years. Goodbye commie
2018-11-20 15:08
#203
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France SpooceCooke 
Aight it would be my pleasure, would like to go to nipland once in my life, just to see what it’s like
2018-11-20 17:13
#4
Russia leld 
no
2018-11-20 07:32
FakeFlagger lmao , in SOVIET RUSSIA WE HAVE SAUSAGE TAX , COLA TAX , RAIN TAX , OH AND DON'T FORGET ABOUT UR COMMUNAL TAX We literally have taxes on everything
2018-11-20 07:34
#12
Russia leld 
and how are these theft?never heard of these
2018-11-20 07:47
Government adding tax to the damned cola, highering it price on 20%, and all of this 20% going to the Government budget - the place to steal from in Russia It's absolute blatant theft
2018-11-20 07:49
yeah same in denmark, it's ludicrous.. it is theft and it's not worth it when what you are supposed to get in return sux ass...
2018-11-20 08:13
#38
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Norway Fant0s 
yes schools and roads sucks ass
2018-11-20 08:39
and long waiting list at hospitals and elder care where the oldies peal their own potatoes.. seriously, the politicians have failed the last few decades
2018-11-20 09:47
What the fuck does peeling potatoes have to do with this??
2018-11-20 11:10
In Denmark people pay tax for elder care, but if the old people want fresh potatoes they have to peal them themselves, that's how pathetic the danish tax monstrosity has become, high tax zero service
2018-11-20 11:15
IDK if thats a metaphor for something, but peeling their own potatoes doesn't seem too bad??? You expect slaves to peel them for them??? Why do they even eat potatoes to begin with??? Aren't there any other foods with higher nutritional value that the government can afford??? You're also forgetting that only a fraction of taxes goes to elder care, rest probably goes to your hospitals considering you get free health care.
2018-11-20 11:38
If you are from Afghanistan I expect you to have zero understanding of how things are supposed to work.
2018-11-20 12:05
Same with Rain - from the last 2-3 months we have tax on the rain's count in millimeters , more rain - more money to gain. Hopefully this thing not in all regions , but still it's exist And we have taxed even if you working buy you own - you HAVE TO REGISTRATE IN SOME SHITTY GOVERNMENT SYSTEM TO PAY FREAKING TAX, EVEN IF YOU BABYSITTER. Russian taxes are the worst taxes in the world
2018-11-20 07:52
#27
Russia leld 
just read about the rain taxes, it's actually hilarious. if you are self employed it's easy to avoid taxes... still
2018-11-20 08:12
#8
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Indonesia Astranesia 
Maybe?
2018-11-20 07:33
#18
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United States jcv999 
Yes
2018-11-20 07:51
adopt a highway and bomb a foreign country you haven't heard of for no reason
2018-11-20 07:37
#16
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United States gtmaniacmda 
1) I don't think OP owns any bombs 2) If he did have bombs, they likely took a lot of work/money to get, and I don't think he would waste them bombing a foreign country for no reason 3) It would be hard for OP to bomb "a foreign country he has never heard of" because if he never heard of it, he can not use a map to get to the country, and getting to a country without a map is quite challenging
2018-11-20 07:51
#130
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France SpooceCooke 
probably b8, do not answer Flick. it could destroy you
2018-11-20 13:50
#202
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United States gtmaniacmda 
that’s why I gave him a meme response
2018-11-20 17:13
#269
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France SpooceCooke 
« It could destroy you » Referring to bombs my friend, you know, ISIS lmaoooo *bombs out of qualifiers*
2018-11-20 23:36
#11
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World new111 
Those are the rules mades by the organisation who conquered the piece of land you live on. You don't like it, you conquer your own land.
2018-11-20 07:39
+1 people like to bitch about the indians but they just got rekt honestly. they were met by a stronger power
2018-11-20 10:00
Nations are theft!?
2018-11-20 07:50
government is theft
2018-11-20 07:51
I think taxation in Finland is pretty okay, because we get a lot in return (for example, practically free education system and healthcare). Sure it could (and should) be tweaked, but all in all it's fine. Don't know about non-welfare-states' taxation though.
2018-11-20 07:57
#25
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United States jcv999 
Taxation is theft regardless of how the money is used.
2018-11-20 08:09
If that's your take on the subject then I guess you approach it from a purely linguistic perspective, the definition of theft, rather than an ethical point of view. I am not a linguist so I am not one to say whether you are right or wrong.
2018-11-20 08:17
#31
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United States jcv999 
Your property is being taken from you without your consent. That is theft
2018-11-20 08:18
As I said, you may be right or you may not be right.
2018-11-20 08:24
Is that what you're going to be screaming on your way to the big house for tax evasion?
2018-11-20 09:55
Muh Property! Muh freedum!! Taxation/Socialism = EVIL!! MURICA!!!
2018-11-20 10:06
#57
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Their country spends 40% of their national product with government. America is far from the country of liberty, its basically 40% socialism. That being said, their libertarian spirit that you mock is actually correct. Otherwise you are just orwellian cattle.
2018-11-20 10:48
+1 it’s funny how people mock libertarian spirit and patriotism like it’s a bad thing
2018-11-20 19:29
You must be fun at parties.
2018-11-21 21:08
#65
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
But its governements property
2018-11-20 11:03
#123
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Germany mary69 
it’s taken with your consent?!
2018-11-20 13:41
yes it is but only in USA
2018-11-20 22:46
#270
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United States jcv999 
Because only Americans know what theft is I guess. All taxes are theft.
2018-11-21 00:07
In USA when you spend 600 billion on army but still doesn't have a healthcare, yep it's stealing from people and make gun industry rich
2018-11-20 08:00
#26
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United States jcv999 
French taxes are theft also
2018-11-20 08:10
Tax is something people in societies agreed with. Stop with taxes and everything will go to hell. Back to tribe wars and chaos.
2018-11-20 10:08
#108
Sweden PPH 
Ah yes, that's why countries with the lowest taxes are in such hells lol
2018-11-20 12:52
#132
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France SpooceCooke 
which countries have low taxes and are better off? I say "low" for a reason, not lower because even if they are lower they will be pretty high
2018-11-20 13:53
#150
Sweden PPH 
just take switzerland for an example, or USA after ronald reagans tax cuts
2018-11-20 14:44
Somalia is probably not hell, but very close to it.
2018-11-20 16:36
#85
apEX | 
France LaBaNaN 
Theft? Free healtcare Free schools And the list can be so long
2018-11-20 11:45
#107
Sweden PPH 
Its not free if you pay for it (taxes).
2018-11-20 12:50
#116
apEX | 
France LaBaNaN 
Then i pay for what i've got, so it's not a theft :)
2018-11-20 13:25
#121
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Russia Gresskaret 
You also pay for politicians and people you have never seen
2018-11-20 13:41
#126
apEX | 
France LaBaNaN 
That's the point of a society, not only thinking about yourself
2018-11-20 13:44
#137
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Russia Gresskaret 
So you think it's better to pay people who can earn money themselves instead of those who actually need help? Philanthropy would exist without taxation
2018-11-20 13:58
#139
apEX | 
France LaBaNaN 
I used to be a anarchist, but i'm pretty sure that we need "masters" because the people can't rule the country himself, he's too dumb. The fact that there is corrupted politicians who are stealing our money is something else
2018-11-20 14:07
#153
Sweden PPH 
And the masters treat their cattle just as that, cattle.
2018-11-20 14:48
I think a little bit tax is okay for infrastructure, basic education and basic healthcare, just make sure these work 100% efficiently.. it is obvious governments throw away the tax they get
2018-11-20 08:15
I could change your mind if it were an opinion, since it's a fact you're post is a non-sense. Bu t it's sweet that a 12 yo knows taxation is theft xD Kappa
2018-11-20 08:25
i agree
2018-11-20 08:35
Who'd fix the sewers when shit is piling up?
2018-11-20 10:05
#47
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Greenland Jardeet 
Polish
2018-11-20 10:15
+1
2018-11-20 11:13
i.ytimg.com/vi/eSj_aNX_gN4/hqdefault.jpg truth is, less taxes=better roads
2018-11-20 10:21
#49
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Denmark Farfarfar 
It is not theft. In a democracy you follow the laws stated by your government, which is elected by the people. You always have the right to try to change the laws by voting for a party or candidate that the same as you. So by being a citizen you accept living under those lawes, meaning you accept that the some of your hard earned money will be taken away from you to benefit the nation as a whole. If no taxes are paid by the people, who will then pay for the infrastructure, military, police, fire department and so on? Your answer will be something like this: "I will only pay for the services that i want to use." Sure, but how? How much would it cost you to call the fire brigade to get help with your burning house? How about the wildfires raging in CA at the moment. That is taxes paying for the rescue work. How about the wars the US are fighting in at the moment? Who are paying for that? The taxpayers. What is the solution to not paying taxes? What can be done to finance the expenses of your country?
2018-11-20 10:36
#51
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Sweden Akoulad 
It's theft when tax money goes to crap like things like opening transexual public bathrooms
2018-11-20 10:44
#56
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Denmark Farfarfar 
No... Still politicians using the money. Politicians that the citizens of your country have voted for. You want the money spent different, so you will vote for somebody that want to use the money for something else. When that happens other will then complain about the money being spent wrong in their point of view.
2018-11-20 10:47
#62
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Thats an easily solved problem: let people spend their own money. The perfect form of democratic principle.
2018-11-20 10:57
#117
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Denmark Farfarfar 
How will that system work? Please explain. How do you with you own money pay for the services currently provided by the government. From your flag you live in Luxembourg. How is it done in your country? You have a very low, if any, income tax in your country.
2018-11-20 13:26
#119
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Obviously in an system without government this question does not make sense. But is quite simple: if people demand less from government than there is little leanway for it to expand its sphere of action, therefore whats left its much more easily accountable for. So if its sole function its to provide security and justice all else will have to be provided by the market. We do have income taxes, but we also have things like investment income and capital gain taxes, albeit at a much lower rate than whats usual nowadays. We are a relatively free and small country though, so theres that.
2018-11-20 13:34
#127
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Denmark Farfarfar 
How was that an answer to my question? How do you with your own money pay for the services currently provided by the government? So buying the services from a commercial provider would be your solution? How has that ever been cheaper than paying taxes? Public service providers don't need to generate a profit, but a commercial service provider has to generate a profit.
2018-11-20 13:45
#129
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
I dont know what planet you live in but competition tends to generate lower prices than monopoly. And government contracting is a form of monopoly generation. You cant really compare a situation where you have a heavily regulated market and myriads of government contracts (reality) with a completely free market (hypothesis) on the basis of what it IS. Simple because the first one exists and the second doesnt. But what we can say a priori is that the system of competition will tend to generate better prices and services than a system of monopoly.
2018-11-20 13:49
Imagine this: You, your two friends, and a random female are stranded on an abandoned island. You decide to decide every matter democratically and you elect one of your friends as the head of your government. You and your friends wanting to satisfy your sexual desires vote in favor of a law that would make having sex with any female against her will allowed. The female is the only one voting against, hence the law is passed. It is not rape. In a democracy you follow the laws stated by your government, which is elected by the people.
2018-11-20 19:15
#55
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Portugal Atruemaster 
HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS BAIT STILL WORK
2018-11-20 10:47
#58
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Because its obvious: if you dont consent and someone takes your property away from you, it does not matter if its a highway robber of someone elected by the majority; Its still theft in nature. People just dont want to aquiesce to the obvious truth since it would imply that anything other than anarchocapitalism is morally rotten.
2018-11-20 10:51
LULULULUL because everyone on hltv thinks they're a genius when it comes to sociology everyone here has 200iq and knows how to fix the world😎
2018-11-20 11:07
#71
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
This is a discussion of a moral principle, not how to make the world a better place.
2018-11-20 11:09
so u dont think ur idea of democracy wont make the world better?😎
2018-11-20 11:11
#75
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Lets make the world safe for democracy by bombing the shit out of them!
2018-11-20 11:12
ok now i agree with you😎
2018-11-20 11:12
Liberty > equality It makes it fair
2018-11-20 11:59
#275
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Portugal Atruemaster 
FIX? WHAT YOU MEAN FIX? WE HAVE VIRTUAL WORLD PEACE AND MORE RIGHTS AND FOOD THAN WE NEED OR DESERVE The real issue is preventing the whole thing from collapsing which....... Yep.
2018-11-21 11:14
😎lol😎
2018-11-21 11:47
you are oxygen theft
2018-11-20 10:57
+1😎
2018-11-20 11:07
±1
2018-11-20 11:11
#155
Sweden PPH 
Thief*
2018-11-20 14:52
both are correct
2018-11-20 14:58
#165
Sweden PPH 
"You're an oxygen theft", dånt tink så
2018-11-20 15:11
you are waste of time
2018-11-20 15:16
#167
Sweden PPH 
You're*
2018-11-20 15:16
4.20/10
2018-11-20 15:17
#169
Sweden PPH 
Roger affirmative
2018-11-20 15:18
good to see more ancaps/mincaps over time on hltv #TaxationIsTheft #SeeYouInNewHampshire
2018-11-20 11:13
#125
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Russia Gresskaret 
What is so special about New Hampshire?
2018-11-20 13:43
new hampshire is the state with the least taxation in the US libertarians and other anarcho-capitalists have a project to massively migrate there, and through elections elect someone who will abolish taxation completely and make the whole state free en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_state_project (very short article)
2018-11-20 13:52
#278
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Russia Gresskaret 
Thanks They should promote their movement more, I'm sure they would have enough supporters if more people knew
2018-11-21 14:44
i think most people that care about politics know about it in the US but they're getting silenced, its either you're a republican or a democrat, third parties almost dont have a say and in europe we have more parties but libertarianism is just either taboo or silenced by medias
2018-11-21 14:50
#82
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Netherlands Gosharu1 
lol stupid third-world American
2018-11-20 11:15
0/8
2018-11-20 11:47
#91
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United Kingdom EddieNahui 
facts taxation is theft
2018-11-20 12:02
I disagree. In my country if I break my arm/leg or whatever - I go to hospital and I don't pay anything. My father had myocardial infarction few years ago - he didnt pay sh!t. I think You're just stupid. Imagine beeing most important person in Your country, president or whatever. How would You pay for new roads/repair old roads? This is how the world works, adapt or say cry to Your pillow for the rest of Your life.
2018-11-20 12:37
#156
Sweden PPH 
You pay for that, by taxes. Also you would probably pay less for the same "free treatment" by insurance.
2018-11-20 14:54
Look how much cost private health insurance in USA vs the amount of taxes you pay for that in your country for the same level of care. That's the opposite way around private insurance cost much more. And it explain easily : - part of the money goes to profit (share holder, directors bonuses, etc..) - different companies meaning less power to negotiate lower price with contractors such as pharmaceutic labs, devices producers etc.. - less efficient campaign to cure contagious disease, such as, let's say rabid. And so bigger cost to cure more people afterward.
2018-11-20 16:42
He never said we don’t need taxes, he said it was theft. Which it is.
2018-11-20 19:34
#105
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France GAITS 
People is the State, so you're the state. So the money from taxes is still yours. Public spendings are your spendings, so just decide democraticaly what you want to do with the people's money. It's not a theft at the moment it's decided by the people. So sorry if a candidate promissing 0 taxes and the end of the public sector hasn't been elected. Also picture this : Public road situation : public investor building road with your taxes, no need to pay on usage, just taxes paid for the construction of the road and the upkeep. Private road situation : Private company invest money to build and upkeep a road so they can make people pay on usage and make profits out of it. So in a private scheme users are paying for the road, the upkeep AND the profits. With public sector any spare € is used for another public stuff (so collectivly decided and to collective interest and not just a few owners interest)
2018-11-20 12:43
#114
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Luxembourg Feudalism 
Of course not, what a nonsensical and dangerous drivel. The most basic problem of society is how to control and prevent the State from slaving everyone.
2018-11-20 12:59
When was the last time you make a decision about the state? , can you lower taxes? can you choose can you choose how to spend the national coffers?.
2018-11-20 14:32
#195
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France GAITS 
Officially the first step is to chose a proper representative at the different elections. Also you can be one yourself. Depending of your country you might have more or less participatory process in local projects and policies. In EU there's more and more participative public policies and not only on a local scale but now also on a national trend (France was leading this until Macron has been elected). Actually it's quite easy nowadays to get involved in the building of local policies or developing certain projects without being elected. As an urban designer my personal example is not really objective because I'm a direct stakeholder but I've seen and been part of many citizen actions/projects that have succeed in turning a law, a policy or getting funds in favour of a project.
2018-11-20 16:37
everything depends on taxes as does your safety. the whole social system depends on taxes. if you really think taxes are useless, then so are you.
2018-11-20 12:57
Taxes are useless, the best example is Argentina high taxes as Nordic countries, African services
2018-11-20 14:33
Horrible bait
2018-11-20 13:57
#157
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United States Trump2020KAG 
I’m perfectly fine with American tax system. Middle class 23-26% tax. We don’t get free health care and schooling but who cares. I get health/dental/vision/prescription from work and if u want free school join the military. 23%tax>40-60%tax
2018-11-20 14:54
How much cost your healthcare to your work? Coz it could be in your pocket if they wouldn't have to. Since you'd win more, paying more tax will be the same : 25% of 2000 is the same than 50% of 3000 at the end of the month. And well, since you spend years in the military that's a way to pay : how much do you valuate a year wasted (when not worst if you get injuried or worst while you serve)? If you are fine by this fine. I respect that, but I'm not sure that's the best system we can find.
2018-11-20 16:47
#207
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United States Trump2020KAG 
25% tax 1k =750$ 50% tax 1k=500$ I’d have to pay 250$ extra every week for health care to even that out. High taxes helps the poor people. Fuck the poor. They are poor for a reason. Bums. I give enough to the poor by just having a job period I don’t wana give extra so they can go to school or get free health care. They are bums let them be dumb and die I don’t give a fuck about the poor and lazy.
2018-11-20 18:28
No since you earn more because your work doesn't have to pay for your healthcare. It is not just a benefit for the poor but also for you. The only people who lose with public healthcare are, as I said, the shareholders and directors of these private insurance companies.
2018-11-20 18:46
Wouldn’t you technically lose out if you rarely get sick/go to the hospital and “win” if you always go to the hospital?
2018-11-20 19:37
What cost a lot is not going to the hospital/doctor, what cost a lot are heavy problems such has big surgery, cancer, other uncurable diseases, etc.. Also, image yourself spending all your day for a visit to the hospital just to fuck the system? People doing so exist, but because they experience big mental problems most of the time. And guess what they get treated for it. It's like if you say "wouldn't you technically lose out if you use your sewer in a regular way while people could junk tons of stuff in it? Yes, technically but that irrelevant since a tremendous part of the population use it normally. It is not just an utopia mate, many countries have it, and it works. In the US I'm convinced, according to the result of your elections, that only an little part of people against are because they are truly libertarians. Most of them are just convinced so by people having interest in a private system such as insurances and representatives getting donations from them. Anyway, that's your call and I respect your decision.
2018-11-20 19:48
I’m not saying abuse the system, I’m saying people who are prone to sickness and use it more than average will get more for their money. The sewer comparison isn’t great because it isn’t the only way to dispose of garbage funded by the public and it does not cost a lot. I just feel like a free healthcare system will cheat middle class and rich people who do not need to use the doctors as much. I do not know the numbers, but even if you do get a large surgery the overall tax cost will surpass the cost of the surgery.
2018-11-20 21:16
Sewer works coz you could have a private system of sewer as well. Whatever you got the point. In France, drugs costing the most to our social system are those related to elder disease, such as rheumatoid arthritis, AMD, etc.. which touch pretty much every one one day or another. Most of people are responsible : they don't go for no reason. Most of people knows the system is "fragile" especially since people are living longer and longer and so being more sick. But even if some people would feel spoiled because they pay without ever being sick (even if there is a serious bias in this since people tend to minimize to themself their health trouble), you just don't think that way when you live under free healthcare. It will not be the case at start if one day you go into that path yourself, because you knew how it was before, but your children will not wonder about that. It's like if you are saying "well I breath less than other people, because my lung are in better shape/I'm smaller/whatever, I should have a discount on taxes about ecology" people don't think that way, because when you need to breath, you breath. And people breathing more than other don't get seriously charged for breathing too much. Why? Because we are used to breath "for free" (even if we pay some taxes about air cleaning and stuff). Here is the same, that's just a state of mind.
2018-11-20 21:35
I get the whole collectivism idea, it can just seem immoral. However, so can taxes on everything relating to elderly programs, roads, whatever, but they should be in place. And again, I wasn't talking about people who abuse it, just normal people who happen to use it more or less often. If you believe that a rich person who rarely goes to the doctor or goes to a private doctor but contributes a lot in tax to a public system because people must be forced to give money to others, fine, I see where you are coming from. It's just the whole thing about paying for what you don't need and how much it will cost. The benefits for the people who will use the system must greatly outway the costs of the main contributors to the program.
2018-11-20 23:27
#222
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Ok I see what u are saying but I think I would prefer a company handling my health care etc compared to the government. Government already has to much on its plate and is to big as it is. I don’t wana expand the government more. If anything it should be downsized. Btw are u American? U said WE before as in our current system or are u saying France and America have similar systems and we need to improve them.
2018-11-20 19:39
No I'm not american. We as the whole humanity, experiencing different system around the (flat) globe and so looking for the best one. French health system can be improved, and so does the US one in my opinion. I got your point about the government size. That's a way of thinking almost non existant in France, and since I worked for it during almost 10 years, I am particularly pro State. And so my point of view differ : to me a private company is working for its owner, while a government is working for its population so I'd rather put my health in a government's hands.
2018-11-20 19:53
#233
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United States Trump2020KAG 
come on man y did u have to ruin a good convo with flat earth statement. Smh.
2018-11-20 20:08
Feel free to ignore the "( )" it was meant to not offence our retarded friends out there.
2018-11-20 20:42
#242
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Lol gotcha.
2018-11-20 20:56
Which would make sense if people we're morally good in all cases but in reality the "government" consists of people with their own interests and power always corrupts people hence why sooner or later the "government" won't protect the individual person or the society but would make cuts for the better of the people in charge.
2018-11-20 20:21
It might be the case indeed. But since it 100% sure that companies work for their owners (not blaming them it is the point of a private company) I'd rather take my chances with government since there is a chance (even a small one, still bigger than 0% with private company) that they do for the greatest interest. And since changing the law can be hard, if one "good" government happens, their change can stand for decades (such as our health system created after WW2 still stands today despite multiple assault of liberals willing to sell it in pieces to their friends).
2018-11-20 20:48
yeah im not totally against the current system but i wish there was a better option where people would strive for whats best for society however tahts just a pipe dream
2018-11-20 20:57
It is because every good willing people believe it is a dream that it is just a dream. It is up to you to change things if you want to.
2018-11-20 20:58
Someone can just as easily say “I feel the company (particularly small business) is working for the people’s interests by providing goods that are needed. (Otherwise they would go out of business). While the government is just a few working in the capital for their own interests and they are not fueled to do better because they have no competition.”
2018-11-20 21:20
I won't debate here about the good and bad of companies here, since there is a lot to say on both side. But there is competition for government : 1. other government, and that's why most of government favors the wealthiest. Because those guys are rich enough to leave the country if they disagree with its policies. While the "poorer" (including the average people stuck at a place by a job, a house to pay or whatever) are stuck. 2. oppositions (in case of a democracy ofc). If they do bad job they get kicked out at next elections. And I put a "s" at opposition because in many countries we have more than just 2 parties able to win the elections. Take a look at Germany : even without being elected AfD (far right) are close enough to make Merkel change her policy about immigration. That's just an exemple but it happened last election in France, our former president did so much shit that he killed his own party instead of going for a second term. I'm not saying it is perfect, but I'm saying that the government is probably not as monstrous as you describe it. Beside, we are talking about nationalized health care, and again it is not a chimera, it works for real in many countries.
2018-11-20 21:46
You make a good part about parties, maybe I just feel there is not enough competition because there are only two parties and no matter what a senator does they will always be voted on by their own party, and there is usually not many achievements to show. You also say that the government puts the wealthy over the average person. I would say that this is very true and it would be an argument that the business is more favorable to the consumer most of the time. But, I am aware of tricks that companies may play to get an edge over others.
2018-11-20 23:18
#172
s1mple | 
Netherlands just3n 
taxation without representation
2018-11-20 15:33
#173
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United States Ironwolf21 
Taxation is a form of redistribution of wealth. If the people of the USA forced the government to only do those things which were laid out in the Constitution, we would be taxed at a very low rate - 1-2%. The Boston Tea Party was over a 2% tax on tea. If the Federal government stuck to Roads, Highways, parks, Post Office and the military/border control and left social programs to the states it would be a far more free country. On top of that - property tax was a way to seize all property as you in fact lease it from the government - stop paying property tax - they take your stuff.
2018-11-20 15:41
#260
steel | 
Belarus Ruble 
+1
2018-11-20 23:05
#182
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Sweden iskalliskall 
how would you pay for everything yourself without taxes?.
2018-11-20 16:15
there are things that can't be paid for without taxes, well at least from what I know, haven't heard any Ayn Randist ever proposing an alternative to taxation. But the vast majority of things could very easily be privatised. I live in Denmark, and earning one of the lowest salaries in the country, the amount of stuff I could pay for - including hospitals, roads and even education if the state didn't take 47% of my money on top of a 25% sales tax on top of the corporate tax that artificially raises the prices every month is huge.
2018-11-20 19:31
#187
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United Kingdom Fizzhaz 
Do economics, it's like 20 hours and you'll understand
2018-11-20 16:20
In Russia, taxation is really theft
2018-11-20 16:23
in russia taxes pay you
2018-11-20 16:33
#189
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United States FlagMaster 
Ok libertarian
2018-11-20 16:24
your taxes aren't shit lol
2018-11-20 16:37
lmfao
2018-11-20 16:48
braindead deadbrain
2018-11-20 18:47
#210
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United States BLNDSPT 
"TaXaTiOn Is ThEfT bTw LiBeRtArIaN bTw"
2018-11-20 18:48
#212
nike | 
Russia adldas 
and money laundering is self-defense.
2018-11-20 19:06
#211
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France StickyRice 
Proudhon : "La propriété, c'est le vol" "Property is theft"
2018-11-20 19:01
Ofc. it is, but nothing is just black or white.
2018-11-20 19:46
Exactly. Theft is bad. - Taxation is theft. - Ergo taxation is bad. is an overly simplistic and stupid chain of logic
2018-11-20 19:49
Yes, taxation is theft.
2018-11-20 19:59
College tuition is theft
2018-11-20 20:08
no because you agreed to it you moron shouldve made better choices
2018-11-21 14:54
ITT: commies vs normal people
2018-11-20 20:11
#237
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Austria donnie_ 
There are plenty of examples of places where there are no taxes. Move to Somalia and tell me how it is without police, roads, education, jobs, etc... maybe you're baiting but it's just really sad that anyone would think like you do
2018-11-20 20:46
Taxation is the cost of living in your country, to get military protection as well as law enforcements. Ideally taxation also covers your education, healthcare and infrastructure. If you don't want taxation you should go live somewhere where human rights doesn't exist, no roads/forms of transportation exists, people can kill you and get away with it, you will be stupid for the rest of your life because you never went to school. You will likely die before 40 because no one will take care of even your simplest health issues.
2018-11-20 20:46
why is 35% of national budget dedicated to bombing the middle east, while citizens are unsafe then? why is education 3% of national budget if its so important? why are infrastructures only 2% of national budget if its so important?
2018-11-21 14:55
I'm talking why taxation in general is the cost of living in a country. You're bringing up a specific country that you haven't specified and I likely give no fuck about.
2018-11-21 15:21
those are the budget of most first world countries you dumb fuck explain those things instead of trying to dodge the subject
2018-11-21 15:22
Wrong. Many first world countries don't bomb the middle east and certainly not with 35% of their national budget. Where I live about 10% is spent on education, 12-16% is spent on infrastructure, 18% is spent on healthcare along with providing financial support depending on the consequences. About 5% is spent on military defense and emergency preparedness. The rest of the ~55% is spent on the judicial system, the legislative system, international aid, financial support for families and the elderly, creating jobs/reduce unemployment, support for the countryside, the environment, migration and the EU contribution. (Obviously some minor things I left out). I really don't see the issue with this spending. The only thing you could argue is how the spending should be balanced but even that is nitpicking compared to the 0 iq statement "taxation is theft".
2018-11-21 16:03
where the hell do you live???? 10% on education hello? the rest of the 55%, there is literally one that is alright to me what do you not understand you dumbass, taxation is NOT voluntary
2018-11-21 16:08
Taxation is not volontary because it's a cost of living in a country and being protected by its laws and rights, the same goes for companies operating within that country. If you think taxation is theft or you're strongly against the spending then too bad, you can either go political and try to change that or leave the country and live with nigerian pirates. Otherwise you just have to accept what democracy serves you.
2018-11-21 16:16
#252
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United States ferric 
give me one good first world country that doesn't impose any taxes, I'll wait.
2018-11-20 22:34
flag checks out
2018-11-20 22:41
#259
steel | 
Belarus Ruble 
youtube.com/watch?v=h0-cgs51zEA Atleast nowdays taxation is theft goverments using peoples money all kinds of stupid things + using tax money to their own business. And why big companies and rich people doesnt have to pay taxes? They just hide their money to tax havens but if normal income people dont pay taxes they go to jail. Big part of the tax money also goes to loans aka to bankers pockets. We pay more and more taxes but everything is going worse.
2018-11-20 23:05
Capitalism is theft
2018-11-20 23:21
#268
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Czech Republic Lueg 
XDDDDDDDD
2018-11-20 23:30
best thread in a while
2018-11-21 06:47
Since Court is funded by tax I disagree.
2018-11-21 07:14
+1 i agree
2018-11-21 11:48
#284
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Sweden Maddafakka 
In the US, sure. But here in Europe we actually get something back from our taxes.
2018-11-21 15:23
#285
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Denmark ulfsen 
Ur stupid.
2018-11-21 15:28
Flag checks out
2018-11-21 21:29
#302
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Denmark ulfsen 
True, your flag checks out
2018-11-22 11:49
-911 whats your emergency? -Theres some guy shooting up my school send some help now! -Yeah that would be 299.99$. is this how you want it to work?
2018-11-21 21:35
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