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any1 else sick of this era of cs, I'm so sick of astralis just destroying everyone and an event (maybe not recently vs mibr) but this scene is starting to get boring. i have nothing against astralis in fact I'm somewhat of a fan but rooting for the best team who always wins gets boring, I want a new top team and era, I want there to be no stable top 1 for a while and I a new top 1 team every tournament. I want the adrenaline rush when some trash top 5 team goes and ham and just trashes everyone. guess what I'm trying to say is any1 thing this era is really boring
2018-11-27 01:13
Yep i just think other teams arent trying hard at all. And astralis composed team
2018-11-27 01:14
tournaments need more cash so teams get more motivation i think
2018-11-27 01:15
Other khorkalba 
We need fewer tournaments during the year, and more prestigious majors.
2018-11-27 01:21
2018-11-27 01:35
Brazil jmarcelo 
yeees i 100% agree. if some of the sticker money went towards the prize pool for the major, i think players would try a lot more to get to qualify for/win the major. Also if valve added "exclusive major skins" where you can buy them straight from the in-game store and like 90% of the income goes towards the prize pool, players would really like that (i think lol)
2018-11-27 02:51
i liked boston major but last major was so boring even the final #1 vs #2 was like #1 vs #20
2018-11-27 10:20
NiKo | 
Portugal queniese 
fact is that astralis style is "boring" ,i personally prefer's faze or other individual teams so you get more clutches and more hype plays but astralis is looking pretty shaky this last events
2018-11-27 01:17
Other khorkalba 
Right, because we never see exciting clutches from Astralis. Who is that Xyp9x guy again? The famous entry fragger who always dies first? I wish he would clutch more.
2018-11-27 01:23
NiKo | 
Portugal queniese 
i'm not saying that there aren't clutches, ofc there are but you can't deny the fact that astralis are a structured team rather than a individual team
2018-11-27 01:25
Brazil Corot1nho 
I miss immortals with KnG man,short but gold it was so cool to watch them,KnG running with his knife out in the open on de_train,Hen1 with his sick shots and Lucas just trying to knock out head with his AK,Steel and Boltz are...the saints who may or may not save the nation because they dont play like crazy and are left with a clutch always. That was art.
2018-11-27 01:33
Finland f0pZ 
kng, what an idiot lol
2018-11-27 09:49
prove it or ill kill you
2018-11-27 10:06
What did he do to you? Why are you threatening him?
2018-11-27 11:36
kng as a person is utter trash. No one except you miss that.
2018-11-27 11:38
Brazil Corot1nho 
He is not tho,i know interviews he made,livestream he did one shit that the did and thats it...ruined his image,but at least he talked to and direct that at him,i would so much prefer someone who is sincere and direct that someone who is 2 faced. He has a "trash personality" but you cant disagree that he has skills and he has passion and thats what matter in CS. You can not assume someone else personality when you know them from social media,when you watch their streams,you stay with them for...what? 3 hours at least??? There is so much more to a person than what they show at social media,than their mistakes. If you choose to hate him just because of that one comment,youre pathethic i am was exagerate yes,but at least it was sincere,he could be on twitter talking shit about FNS without mentioning his name all day,Thoorin too,but nah,he just went to their faces,i admire him for that even if he broke two orgs with that and spoke on too much bullshit.
2018-11-27 14:43
When you act like a monkey theres no place for you among professionals. With professionalism comes certain liabilities.
2018-11-27 17:10
Brazil Corot1nho 
No one was doing something wrong right? You think its okay to acuse someone of something? They both got it coming,if you think its alright to run your mouth talking shit about someone then,fuck you.
2018-11-27 18:45
I dont even remember what case you talking about but kng was acting like a monkey overall.
2018-11-27 19:17
Brazil Corot1nho 
fns and thoorin
2018-11-27 22:00
Other khorkalba 
They're a structured team that also has the individual skill. That's what makes them so impressive. It's not like watching BiG clan or the old Flipside lineup who used gimmicky strats to compensate for a lack of skill.
2018-11-27 01:34
Mate, individuall skill? They play like they do cus they're an unit, They got fking shat on by c9 in that followup showmatch thingy, And since it was a couple of 1v1s, thats purely individual skill
2018-11-27 01:36
Other khorkalba 
Who gives a damn about a show match? Nobody takes that seriously. Sometimes casters and analysts play in show matches and outfrag the pros. That doesn't mean they're better than the pros and belong on a top team. You know Astralis is an insanely skilled lineup when one of their most passive players is Magisk. It wasn't that long ago when people were talking about him being the most skilled young talent and potentially the next best player in the world. Now he just performs a role in a structured team and doesn't try to show off. Even Glaive has more skill than any IGL we've seen since FalleN. He had a 1.19 rating that final vs MiBR.
2018-11-27 01:42
It was about 40k$? Why wouldn't they care u stupid mongrel, obviously they tried, u could even see how they tried, ofc they waved and behaved like monkeys in-between, but in the duels they tryharded.
2018-11-27 01:55
Other khorkalba 
That really isn't a lot of money when there are so many $300k+ events during the year.
2018-11-27 01:57
It was the same day, the same stage, they got eliminated in a tournament? They weren't even gonna leave it for like the next 3 days lol
2018-11-27 01:58
Its funny though cus even device, or if it was gla1ve, stated in an interview, I believe it was last event(not the one who was 2 days ago, The one before) that they know they're nowhere the best players, he believed xyp definitely was one of the smartest though ,but the key to their victories is the use of each other and how they perform as a unit. if that doesn't tell you nothing will.
2018-11-27 01:57
Other khorkalba 
Sounds like they're just being humble. I've been watching Device play for years... long before he became an AWPer, and long before he played on a lineup with as much discipline and structure as this Astralis team. He is one of the most individually skilled players i've ever seen in the game. Besides, if it's all just structure then how come all the teams trying to copy Astralis haven't succeeded? I'll tell you why - because you can copy their strats, timings, executes, etc. but you can't match them man-for-man in terms of skill. Navi have Electronic and S1mple but they don't have an IGL who is as skilled as Glaive or passive players as skilled as Magisk / Xyp9x. Same can be said of Liquid who have definitely tried to copy aspects of Astralis' game.
2018-11-27 02:03
if it was cus of their skill, Faze would slaughter them? (Well -karrigan in this aim fiesta but still) And plz, don't even dare to tell me that Astralis aim wise > Faze, altho, the combination of aim and tactics, Astra >>>> Faze
2018-11-27 02:04
Other khorkalba 
This isn't 2015. Guardian and Olof are way past their best and nowhere near to the skill level of some of the Astralis players. In fact the only player who is skilled enough on FaZe is Niko.
2018-11-27 02:08
U praise them way too much, well I'll respect your opinion.
2018-11-27 02:08
i think if faze go on anymore of a down fall niko should consider his options, seriously, imagine him in a structured team
2018-11-27 02:15
No hate, love astralis, but their dominance is definitely not cus of the individual skill =P And yeah xyps clutches are like orgasm for the eyes
2018-11-27 01:36
Other khorkalba 
So you think Xyp9x clutches like that purely because of teamwork and structure? He's clearly one of the most individually skilled players in the world, or as the casters like to say - the most overqualified support player. The only reason he doesn't frag like a monster is because it isn't his role to do that. In fact most people here will be too new to CS to remember, but he actually was a star player at one point in his career but chose to take on a more supportive role.
2018-11-27 01:47
Twistzz | 
South Africa kil0OO 
Gotta remember you can be a support player or an entry or an awper and you always have this job as a support where you flash for your teammates but, end of the day you have to take on other roles constantly depending on the round. Sure he can be the best clutcher, doesn't mean that he would out rule everyone in all individual departments.
2018-11-27 02:59
2018-11-27 11:27
Denmark K0NG3N 
omg, what's wrong with you?
2018-11-27 11:41
Actual brain dead
2018-11-27 18:47
Yea it's pretty boring
2018-11-27 01:19
Other khorkalba 
I much prefer seeing dominant teams that the rest of the scene has to figure out how to beat. It's exciting to see how far Astralis can go, and how they will eventually compare to the other best lineups of all time. What I hate is randomness, where teams like Cloud9 win a major then drop off immediately after confirming that it was all just a fluke overperformance.
2018-11-27 01:20
+1 I think thsi era of CS isn't exciting for Astralis as the top team, but for the games that are sparked from that, NiP vs Astralis is always a lightning matchup to watch, FaZe vs Astralis, etc. you see such amazing play from both sides and it is so memorable, to beat Astralis is the hurdle of this era, I feel like besides Astralis it is more competetive than it is been since the early bit of 2016 and that is an achievment.
2018-11-27 03:12
There is no team right now who can really challenge astralis. Faze in theory could ,they Just need to get karrigan back in form and get a new coach If they do that I will guarantee you that astralis will have a very very hard time against Faze. Navi should Just get rid of edward and maybe bring in a talented awp or rifler (yes ,I know s1mple is a great awper but its probably better to let him Play with rifler) in. Mouz need more fire power and Liquid need to get their shit together ,thats all.
2018-11-27 01:23
Other khorkalba 
FaZe should have replaced the coach a long time ago. Unfortunately it's too late for Karrigan now. The players have no confidence in his leadership anymore and it really feels like they're only keeping him on the team temporarily until the end of the year while they decide whether to replace him with another star (and have Niko be IGL permanently) or replace him with a new IGL. As for Navi, I think the criticism of Edward is unfair. He hasn't had a good year, but he's playing some really shitty roles/positions to accommodate Flamie/Electronic/S1mple. In my opjnion, Flamie has been a bigger let down when you consider his role on the team and the impact he's supposed to have. I also think Zeus has lost all motivation since winning the major. Navi should've picked up Ange1 as IGL instead and brought Starix back as coach.
2018-11-27 01:29
Astralis are playing almost perfect cs, I can never understand why people dont like that
2018-11-27 01:26
United States barsad 
it's boring because no other teams win
2018-11-27 01:38
how tho? sure mibr didn't win but how is a 16-14 and 22-20 bo3 final boring? they've actually had a lot of exciting matches these last few tournaments
2018-11-27 01:50
yeah but astralis are still the undisputed best team remember what it was like when c9 won boston. the feeling was insane
2018-11-27 01:51
but why does it matter if a team is considered the best as long as their matches are exciting and close? sure it gets boring watching the same five lifting the trophies but i don't think the games are boring, at least not the recent ones. it was boring when they were shitting on everyone every game though. yeah the c9 faze boston final was exciting too, but it wouldn't have been if the games weren't close though. to me it doesn't really matter who is winning as long as the games are exciting. but ye maybe im biased towards astralis because im danish but tbh i don't really care who wins
2018-11-27 01:56
Finland pornokarhu 
Astralis matches are very boring imo.
2018-11-27 14:48
10/10 argument
2018-11-27 15:23
csgo is boring, outside Astralis and periodically Navi/Mibr, nobody cares, overall skill level is all time low
2018-11-27 01:27
rain | 
United Kingdom EzForRoob 
Astralis being dominant for a year isn't bad, Imagine being an f1 fan with Lewis hamilton winning 4/5 of the last World titles. I say this as an NiP fan through the fnatic era, dominant periods such as this one aren't bad. If they keep this form however, it could start to be detrimental to the sport as there would be no reason for others to even try
2018-11-27 01:28
I miss teams like old C9 where even if they don't do well, at least they have a roster of players with nice fan bases and exciting players. Right now all the teams in the top 10 are all robotic rosters without flare. I'd rather have teams like old school fnatic than what we have now.
2018-11-27 01:28
2018-11-27 01:54
United States Jamila 
Those teams still exist, they just can't win anything because they're bad 2015 fnatic would be trash in this era too
2018-11-27 01:56
2015 fnatic would be trash in this era too XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Sorry but i'm done with hltv for today
2018-11-27 02:10
Yes, olof krimz and JW in their prime would get trashed on?????? lol Jamila must be new
2018-11-27 03:05
yup ;D
2018-11-27 11:28
Tbh krims still playing really really good
2018-11-27 11:29
United States Jamila 
JW is a failed star
2018-11-28 00:25
JWonderchild is a legend of CSGO.
2018-11-28 02:08
olof would rush with his ak and kill 3 astralis guys in 3 seconds... no chance for astralis vs that fnatic team , with flusha with his aimlocks
2018-11-27 11:34
Brazil L1iMA 
Mibr will end this shortly every time they are improving the game mode against them there are several error yet, with more time they will fetch them. They are not 100% involved YNK is working to reach 100% of the team.
2018-11-27 01:52
United States Jamila 
I love it. The skill level is at a level I never thought I'd see in CSGO, it's not even safe to spam smokes anymore because so many players can kill you by your tracers. There's less crazy flicks because players don't live long enough to do them, nade usage is at the forefront again, teamplay down to a science, great era
2018-11-27 01:53
+1 The Final were very intense. Highest levels of play. WP to MIBR, they stepped up really hard.
2018-11-27 01:57
Of course there will be more of these kinds of thread just hating on successful people
2018-11-27 02:11
i literally said i had nothing against astralis I just said this scene is a lot more enjoyable when the game is unpredictable.
2018-11-27 02:19
im not taking anything away from astralis they are by far the greatest team to touch csgo (better than nip imo) but i enjoy the unpredictable choas
2018-11-27 02:20
It’s not astralis fault they win other teams just suck. Mibr made grand finals and they are still 10x worse than they were before they picked up stew turik. Everyone that says cs has progressed so much and teams are way better now I laugh at. Every single team is a shell of their former selves. Nip, fnatic, NaVi. All except chokequid and faze who are just a team full of washed up “star players”.
2018-11-27 02:30
Brazil jmarcelo 
how are they 10x worse than when they picked up Tarik and Stew? of course they're not playing the same way they did back in the LG/SK days, but they have improved a lot since the day they picked up Tarik and Stew. The game changes a lot and the tactics they used back in those days wouldn't work because, one, other teams have already figured out how to beat/counter that style of playing, and, two, the core of the team (fallen, fer, cold) have gotten older and maybe their ability isn't as good as it was back then. The team has also improved a lot because of the addition of YNK as coach; he was the best analyst (IMO) at every tournament he attended and he can use his analytical abilities to help FalleN and the other guys figure out new strategies or help them to improve the strategies they already were using. They got extremely close to beating Astralis twice, but like always, Astralis came with their insane strategies and just made huge come backs.
2018-11-27 03:03
jmarcelo is right, plus they beat them in the groups
2018-11-27 03:04
And fnatic after picking up twist and playing with him for a week almost beat astralis. Big accomplishment. You say their core 3s ability might not be as good, plus Tarik plays like an idiot so how can they be a better team if that’s the case? The chemistry is also worse, they have a language barrier so what about them is better? Same with teams like faze where olof and guardian are clearly not as good as they were, yet only rely on individual skill. You say the tactics are better but NaVis was clearly a more tactical team BEFORE s1mple joined, now they literally rely on two players to “be good” just like faze. Don’t get me started on Liquid who only play for 2nd place. Mouz somehow has won tourneys yet are invisible in others. NaVi was knocked out by BIG last event, a team with 4 players who have accomplished nothing in their whole careers, so is big a better team than old fnatic or VP? How about north? The entire French scene is full of egos and gay relationships so they can’t make a proper team. Polish scene completely gone. Astralis is the one team that’s kept the same 4 players since they won their first major, kjaerbye left on his own accord so it’s not like they “wanted” to make changes either. Every single other team has made numerous changes to try and be better and I genuinely don’t believe anyone of them, except for Liquid, has made them better than in previous eras.
2018-11-27 04:15
Brazil jmarcelo 
-And fnatic after picking up twist and playing with him for a week almost beat astralis. Big accomplishment. ---Thats was one match... mibr have come close to beating astralis multiple times now. -You say their core 3s ability might not be as good, plus Tarik plays like an idiot so how can they be a better team if that’s the case? The chemistry is also worse, they have a language barrier so what about them is better? ---I never said they are a better team, i said they are improving a lot and are becoming better ever since tarik and stew joined, also the language barrier inst a problem anymore according to the players, who have said in multiple interviews the coms arent a problem... -Astralis is the one team that’s kept the same 4 players since they won their first major, kjaerbye left on his own accord so it’s not like they “wanted” to make changes either. Every single other team has made numerous changes to try and be better and I genuinely don’t believe anyone of them, except for Liquid, has made them better than in previous eras. ---That is actually a really good point. I think teams should try to improve with the players they already have and if that doesnt work out, maybe change one or two players, but dont do it right when u have a slight decrease in performance.
2018-11-29 04:32
Agreed, it's SUPER boring rn
2018-11-27 02:30
Astralis era isnt even that long compared to some eras that existed so dunno why some people want a new era already lol
2018-11-27 02:36
Brazil jmarcelo 
true lol lg/sk dominated for pretty much a whole year or two and people didnt really care, but i think it was because their style of play wasnt boring or repetitive like astralis'.
2018-11-27 03:04
Indonesia linekerrr 
If their plays were repetitive they wouldn't dominate for this long
2018-11-27 09:43
Brazil jmarcelo 
repetitive wasnt the best word to use. i meant they always use nades so effectively that i get bored watching them lol dont know if that makes a lot of sense either, but w/e
2018-11-29 04:27
tbh if you were around for it, 87-0 was pretty boring. You could figure out a tournament's final placings just by looking at the bracket. Too bad there was no betting back then
2018-11-27 02:42
Brazil Vitor_IS 
astralis is a boring team to watch and to play against, they're always being lucky in a lot of rounds (like the smoke thing) which fucks the intensity of the game, i don't like to see them playing, it's so fucking annoying. they don't even give the enemies chances, it's dirty you could see it as the major pick-viewers was like 500k fuck off astralis, you're already done with these trophies, you can already stop fucking the game
2018-11-27 03:14
How is Astralis boring when whenever they play it is so hi-level? Maybe I am watching different matches than you lot? It is a masterpiece and that last final proves it. I am very surprised for MIBR aswell. They played out of their minds. I think you all just are CS:GO haters in general. If your favourite team doesn't win you just hate it.
2018-11-27 03:24
expected from racist aussie
2018-11-27 03:35
how tf am i racist what have i done. im part danish lol
2018-11-27 04:10
Russia NOD777 
So you just want to shitpost boring X era instead of astralis
2018-11-27 09:46
hahahaha cryisfree. Instead of hating so much on Astralis for being so good you should hate on mibr, faze, mouse, nip, fnatic etc for being so bad.
2018-11-27 10:11
Honestly stop hating, you’re making the scene full of haters. Have some respect, it takes immense effort and determination to get to top 1. I’m not a big fan of Astralis, I’m actually a FaZe fan, but I have huge respect for their talent and success. They are setting the standard now and because of them; teams now have to try harder and be better. /closed
2018-11-27 10:56
i never said i was disrespecting their era. i just think that this era of cs is a little boring. im a fan of astralis ffs i just enjoyed the scene a lot more when no one knew who the ebst team was and everyone was fighting for it
2018-11-27 11:15
You’re autistic af lul.
2018-11-27 11:17
Its boring because no team except Astralis has he optimal team they should have. Na'Vi has still Zeus and Edward/flamie FaZe has NiKo as IGL/karrigan mibr has two NA players and a serbian coach swedish scene wont have a top 5 team again until they make the superteam with olofmeister and flusha. Liquid is just a meme and shouldnt even be named. The lack of good lineups is the reason why they are even in the top 3.
2018-11-27 11:27
Nip has been playing really good lately, IMO I believe they would've had a really good chance if they picked overpass instead of inferno.
2018-11-27 11:31
Yeah but I will never see this lineup being a legit contender. i have legit no trust in them. imo they can continue trying though as my swedish superteam has no NiP plaer anyway except maybe f0rest.
2018-11-27 11:35
IMO f0rest Flusha Olofmeister Xizt/lekr0 Krimz if you want a extremely good support I guess, JW/Draken if you want an asper. IMO this team would slaughter =P
2018-11-27 11:37
I dont see any team with Lekr0/Xizt as IGL being good. I think both had their chance and both didnt convince me. You could argue that Lekr0 needs more time but I just dont see it happen. I would try it with hampud because imo you cant make a legit top 3 team with fnatic/NiP plaers only. For me it would be hampus, olofmeister, flusha, KRiMZ and brollan (olof awp) if twist wont play good at the next lans. If he does then -brollan +twist (olof entry). I dont trust f0rest because I have doubts about his motivation. JW/draken arent good enough as AWPers imo.
2018-11-27 11:42
IMO Thats why he'd need a new team =P
2018-11-27 11:42
Tyloo is coming man
2018-11-27 11:36
you are a funny man :)
2018-11-27 11:40
lmao i am serious
2018-11-27 11:41
oh, sorry :) I thought it was a joke xD
2018-11-27 11:42
2018-11-27 11:46
people calling me racist is funny
2018-11-27 11:41
2018 will make its mark in history as the "year of the stupid roster changes" every1 except astralis has at least 1 or 2 problems in their team. thats (also) a reason why they are so domiant. so with time, they will get their shit together and fix their teams eventually :)
2018-11-27 11:42
Australia reeeee 
whatever aussie dog
2018-11-27 14:38
Brazil M1ZERA 
SK/MiBR - Time at peak = 58 weeks Astralis - Time at peak = 60 weeks
2018-11-27 15:32
I want Swedish & France back on top.
2018-11-27 18:47
Denmark fyhn 
I see that you didn't watch CS back in the NiP days.
2018-11-27 18:51
i think astralis is dominating so strongly is because other teams just dont want to change their lineups and upgrade. Teams like Navi (edward being dead weight) MIBR (would be better off making all brazilian line up) Mousesports (I dont think they themselfs know what they are doing) Faze (team that needs a good IGL)
2018-11-27 18:55
Also the swedish scene not agreeing on making a good line-up And french scene is just a mess
2018-11-27 18:55
United States Jamila 
The last tournament MiBR (then SK) had with both boltz and taco in the lineup they went out in groups in some T5 tournament with 2 other kinda decent teams at it
2018-11-28 04:39
Couldnt agree more. But looks like MIBR is the one who is gonna dominate for a while from now on
2018-11-28 00:31
Astralis has the big gay
2018-11-28 04:54
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