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gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
People are complaining that it will ruin the game and everything and that we still have 64 tick servers and stuff, but I think what many fail to see is, what Valve truly wants to accomplish with this. They want to grow the playerbase again, so they get more revenue and can be sure the game is still being played before they go ahead with many more changes. I personally like it.
2018-12-07 02:52
#1
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New Zealand Eauor 
+1 People on HLTV, Reddit, everywhere complain every single day that 'CSGO IS DYING', but then this update drops, with one of the best changes that could have been done to help the playerbase. Yet all these moronic, entitled, delusional pricks continue to circle-jerk and complain. Idiots, I'm glad these people are 'quitting'. This update is great, it may not be the best for me, but it's the best for the game and it's what was needed (outside of the obvious MM changes).
2018-12-07 02:54
#3
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
Excatly. I think it will mostly stay the same for us hardcore players, which is good.
2018-12-07 02:56
#7
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New Zealand Eauor 
And now, hopefully the next coming updates will be directed to Matchmaking, and so on. Just like #2 says, these pricks have complained since day one, they want things NOW, spoiled brats they are.
2018-12-07 02:58
#8
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
+1
2018-12-07 02:58
#53
Bwills | 
United States hdz` 
"they want things NOW, spoiled brats they are." - YODA 2018
2018-12-07 04:50
"hopefully the next coming updates will be directed to Matchmaking" youd get those updates NOW if they didnt waste time on this garbage BR mode.
2018-12-07 05:04
#67
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Singapore FreddyBoxson 
+1
2018-12-07 05:21
People are mad because they believe cheaters will be everywhere since it's F2P Valve knows this and I doubt they would ever make it F2P because of this UNLESS they have a trick up their sleeve. And that trick is called Vacnet. I'm guessing they have deployed Vacnet on much larger scale with this update.
2018-12-07 03:31
#30
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New Zealand Eauor 
E x a c t l y I like how these idiots think they have more expertise than a mulit-billion dollar company with hundreds of hired, full time developers.
2018-12-07 03:33
And with more cheaters, the better vacnet gets m i n d b l o w n i hadn't thought about it this way, thanks :D
2018-12-07 04:54
you think hundreds of people work on CSGO? the CS team is tiny relatively to how popular and how much money this game brings. id even say theyre understaffed
2018-12-07 05:02
#73
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India Noobdian1 
+1
2018-12-07 05:43
dunno but i actually had to fix a bug with csgo myself and make my own plugin to fix it and valve still havent fixed said bug so i think im on par with them tbh
2018-12-07 08:22
What bug?
2018-12-08 12:10
panorama bug, bhop bugs, hitbox bug and a few more
2018-12-08 12:36
Perhaps try to make a list of them with steps how to reproduce it and post it on reddit (as suprisingly, devs read it) or email csgo team
2018-12-08 12:48
I post all my bugs and fixes on github for valve to look at they just dont bother to fix shit github.com/ValveSoftware/csgo-osx-linux/.. like this one for example
2018-12-08 12:53
I think they don't really care about github. Nevertheless, it sucks indeed
2018-12-08 12:56
github is better for contacting them than reddit and such its supposed to the official way of reporting bugs
2018-12-08 12:57
Yeah I know, but it is Valve. They're 'different' lmao
2018-12-08 13:16
i know they see the bugs because they assign labels to them, they just dont bother to fix them nothing will get me to use the dumpster fire that is /r/globaloffensive
2018-12-10 03:37
thats just speculation, without any good base for speculation, valve made terrible updates that clearly werent thought through before......
2018-12-07 04:59
Well it's pretty reasonable speculation. First Valve made the game semi-F2P, clearly preparing for becoming fully free to play. All the talk about Vacnet showing great results etc. I mean why wouldn't they have made csgo F2P years ago if they didn't care of the cheater increase?
2018-12-07 13:25
That is a HUGE (and likely untrue) assumption to make given Valve's track record.
2018-12-07 05:15
Vacnet learning curve is too slow. Astralis already got the millions.
2018-12-10 04:33
the game is owned by tens of millions of players already, why butcher the game with BR that has no place in CS instead of making good updates and make those who bought and put it away try it again?
2018-12-07 04:58
+1
2018-12-07 05:37
yes letting people freely cheat on community servers is such a good idea
2018-12-07 08:19
+1
2018-12-08 13:28
It's so obvious, kids can't think ahead. They want everything and right now spoiled brats.
2018-12-07 02:55
#4
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
I somewhat agree mister wisdom_preacher
2018-12-07 02:56
By removing the financial barrier to entry, you're opening an unimaginably large door for cheating, smurfing and trolling. Previously, you had to pay to do these shenanigans, but you're now given both a free AND a paid option. Oh and paying now comes with instant prime! Simply put, the potential for this F2P model to destroy CS:GO is MUCH larger than it is to improve it. Is it possible that improves the game on all fronts? Absolutely! But so many signs point toward the opposite. The people supporting this update are making a lot of assumptions that, quite frankly, seem absurb to someone who's been playing CS:GO for years: 1. Valve will have an effective anti-cheat capable of banning the hackers (nice joke lol) 2. Valve would never have released this update and not anticipate the consequences that may follow (how many more updates do you need to demonstrate Valve's profit-maximization stance and their indifference to the development of the game???) 3. There will actually be enough people doing Overwatch cases to match the increased influx of hackers. (Unlikely.) 4. New players will stick around in spite of the likely increase in hackers, smurfs and trolls in non-Prime MM and hence increase the player base (what kind of reasoning did you use to arrive at this conclusion?) Sure, the so-called player base will most likely grow but what % of these new players are: 1. actually legit 2. will stick around after trying non-prime MM (god bless their souls) and most importantly to Valve 3. bother spending money on a game infested with cheaters, smurfs, and trollers.
2018-12-07 05:29
If Valve decided to make a game free with launching an expansion of BR they probably worked on an anti-cheat. No one launches extensions of games if they don't believe they will make money... You're too closed minded in approaching what they are doing overtime for the community.
2018-12-07 05:40
Making money and working on anti-cheats are mutually exclusive. Just because they launch BR doesn't mean that they are/have been working on improving anti-cheat. And that last line can also be said about everyone who's way too supportive of Valve given their track record of disappointing updates. Additionally, it's ironic that you bring up "what they are doing overtime for the community" when they've had all this time to bring us an amazing update and what we get is a half-assed BR mode, F2P model that will open the floodgates and a CSGO client that crashes Intel and AMD graphic card computers.
2018-12-07 05:55
Well in my experience with my Nvidia GPU, I've only been impressed with Valve's updates and I hope they continue to implement things to keep the game fresh without changing the game forever.
2018-12-07 05:57
Good for you, I guess, but not for everyone else who can't even launch the game as we speak :/ If I had to sum up this F2P update, I feel like it's a sad attempt to artificially boost the player count while not actually dealing with the cheating problem whatsoever.
2018-12-07 06:00
You talk as though programming and fixing issues that are difficult to predict is child's play. I think you need to give Valve more credit and quit hopping onto a bandwagon.
2018-12-07 07:45
No but when you have 4 year old bugs that have to be fixed by the community with an explanation on how to fix it and you still do nothing it shows your lack of care
2018-12-07 08:21
yeah idk where valve's priorities are😎
2018-12-07 08:56
Testing your new update on AMD and Intel graphic cards is a hard thing to do?? Since when
2018-12-07 08:56
#119
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Sweden Zaser5 
+1
2018-12-08 12:50
#5
rr | 
Uruguay rrElPistolo 
Also, valve gave cheaters their own area to play (F2P). Prime should have less cheaters than ever when they start vac waves and those cheaters are going to create another account but in F2P since they don't have the necessity to buy Prime
2018-12-07 02:56
#6
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
True. People who actually wanna play will still buy the game. Fits casuals and hardcores alike.
2018-12-07 02:57
#10
rr | 
Uruguay rrElPistolo 
I have plenty of faith that these changes will make CS:GO greater than ever
2018-12-07 02:59
#11
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
Definetly. It certainly needed a shake-up. And I say that as a diehard player with 3600 hours on record
2018-12-07 03:00
But people who don't enjoy the game because of the smurfs and hackers in non-Prime MM won't buy the game, as a result? Isn't that the much likelier outcome?
2018-12-07 05:56
#84
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Better than when you had to buy the game and still got cheaters anyway. Bearing in mind this move saves over 600k players who now are registered for prime and play regularly
2018-12-07 08:09
#129
chrisJ | 
Finland Motori 
I think it gives new players and chance to try the game first and if they are seeing lot of cheaters they will pay the small prize and will be part of the community
2018-12-10 08:32
#9
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China Slasher8888 
i just realised i was being dumb, you also have to have mobile authenticator to have prime, and only one account with each phone number gets prime
2018-12-07 02:58
#12
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
I think the current system is ok. They will probably do even more to combat cheaters if cs comes back alive now.
2018-12-07 03:03
#15
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China Slasher8888 
yeah, also the new battle royale is interesting, the mechanics are entirely different from normal pubg, and it still carries over a lot of the cs mechanics.
2018-12-07 03:09
#17
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
Thats what could make it interesting. Definetly gonna try it out tommorrow, sadly didn't have the time yet.
2018-12-07 03:10
#50
eLUSIVE | 
United States mook_ 
i wish it had more players tho and a bigger map like how tf do they say its a fast paced game if i only see 2 guys every game
2018-12-07 04:42
#13
f0rest | 
Other leeo^^ 
>cheaters will skyrocket >grow playerbase pick one
2018-12-07 03:08
#14
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
The Cheaters will stay in F2P. People who want to play seriously will buy prime
2018-12-07 03:09
#18
f0rest | 
Other leeo^^ 
If they have to pay 2 play 'seriously' then you're not growing playerbase, just flooding the game with cheaters. new players who actually want to try the game will uninstall it after they get queued with cheater 3 games in a row
2018-12-07 03:12
#19
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
You are getting more people to try the game, so more will enjoy it and buy it.
2018-12-07 03:13
Yes, but more will probably not enjoy it if non-Prime MM is a breeding ground for cheap hackers, trolls and smurfs.
2018-12-07 04:50
#16
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China Slasher8888 
well if you want a growing you playerbase you have to endure the cheaters. Its like saying a growing population results in growing amount of criminals
2018-12-07 03:10
#21
f0rest | 
Other leeo^^ 
XDD yeah tell that to a new player who gets queued with cheaters as soon as he starts playing MM. "hey bro you have to accept cheaters, if you don't want, just pay XDD. pls don't uninstall"
2018-12-07 03:15
#23
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
Idk, we will see tbh
2018-12-07 03:16
#28
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China Slasher8888 
i'm not saying that its ok to have a lot of cheaters, i'm saying that as the playerbase grows, their's definitely gonna be more cheaters, its just how valve decides to handle the situation.
2018-12-07 03:25
1. Criminals get thrown in prison/fined/consequences for their wrongdoings. Hackers can just start a new account and repeat everything all over again in a matter of minutes. 2. If new, legit players can't stand the cheaters, they can always leave the game, decreasing the player base count. This means that cheaters will remain and the ratio of unlegit: legit players will only go up. In real life, you don't just slit your throat if criminal activity goes up worldwide.
2018-12-07 05:10
Vacnet my boy. It has probably been tweaked and deployed on much bigger scale with this update. I mean why didn't Valve just make it F2P years ago if cheating was not in their mind? They obviously are prepared & aware of cheating increase with F2P
2018-12-07 03:38
You're assuming that Valve is competent and has/will have an effective anti-cheat system in place. History suggests that those are very, very big assumptions to make, and not much that they've done so far indicates so.
2018-12-07 05:11
#82
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
You are continuing to make the point that Valve sucks and doesn't know what they are doing. And while yes, there were some pretty shitty updates in the past, the recent stuff all looks good.
2018-12-07 06:58
They just released an update without even bothering to test it on AMD and Intel graphic cards, and you want me to believe that the recent stuff all looks good?? What
2018-12-07 08:55
And you're clearly not fully aware of the situation. Read up on Vacnet. It really is a proper cheat detecting tool that will likely change cheating altogether in gaming
2018-12-07 13:27
I know what VACNET is and the marvels it promises. But for every anecdotal evidence of VACNET being amazing, there are cheaters that go unbanned and cheats that go undetected as we speak. Also, you have to remember VACNET can't ban on its own and requires an Overwatch case review as well. I am doubtful whether the # of players doing OW cases will be enough to combat the increase in cheaters in the upcoming months.
2018-12-07 14:16
And how do you know Vacnet has not been deployed on a bigger scale with this update? Are you sure it still requires Overwatch judges? Machine learning cheat detection has the potential to be more accurate than human judges so perhaps Valve has finally managed to tweak & test Vacnet enough for it to be ready to operate completely without the help of human judges If Vacnet doesn't actually have the potential to work then why was CSGO not made F2P years ago? PS: I personally haven't seen a single hacker after this F2P update so go figure.
2018-12-07 16:09
Look, all the complaints and qualms I have regarding this F2P update will instantly disappear if the anti-cheat system Valve has in place is effective (enough). In my eyes, it's still not there yet. Has it improved? Definitely. But it's not exactly easy to be better than nonexistent.
2018-12-08 05:05
Well have you met a cheater since the last update? (100% proof, demos etc)
2018-12-08 11:58
Only walls, no blatant aimlocking. Could only tell for sure after downloading demo post-game
2018-12-08 12:08
#20
Myanmar xdcc 
Since there's 100 of these threads I won't bother posting same shit but just to show how incompetent valve is I already predicted this shit: hltv.org/forums/threads/1936997/overhypi.. Jump bug is back. You can jump into mirage window from mid. People are crashing with AMD & Intel GPUs. Molotov bugs. twitter.com/csgo_dev/status/107082542874.. And I'm sure there are more. Indie company BTW.
2018-12-07 03:14
#22
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
Problems can, and will occur. It will get patched, calm the fuck down
2018-12-07 03:16
#24
Myanmar xdcc 
how can you even fail to check for AMD gpus? or how do you break jumping when your main focus is battleroyale? its kind of sad when its expected.
2018-12-07 03:17
#25
gob b | 
Germany Koxky 
Had to do something with the parachute physics maybe. I'm not sure, I'm no expert.
2018-12-07 03:18
why are parachute physics affecting the rest of the game ive played on custom servers with parachutes and none of them had that issue either
2018-12-07 08:30
#26
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New Zealand Eauor 
I'm trying to jump into window but I can't seem to, the jump is certainly broken but I don't think you get extra height?
2018-12-07 03:21
#35
Myanmar xdcc 
you sure? jump + CTRL bug that used to exist. it worked on first try for me on offline default casual settings + godmode (wanted to include console but realised my IP is there). works on offline competetive settings too (restarted game, launched through menu). gfycat.com/JadedBitesizedFairyfly
2018-12-07 03:42
#37
Myanmar xdcc 
can also jump on bricks in window w/e theyre called to go to vent
2018-12-07 03:48
#46
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New Zealand Eauor 
never mind, im just bad at it, just managed to do it once
2018-12-07 04:24
#85
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
CS dev is hella active on twitter, about 8 hpurs ago it posted that it was looking into the crashing the molitov and the jump into window issue.
2018-12-07 08:10
+1, cs:go needed drastic changes
2018-12-07 03:23
#31
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New Zealand Eauor 
+1 = 2
2018-12-07 03:34
#32
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Kazakhstan aqua4kz 
The playerbase wont grow because new players will stop playing after couple of games against blatant cheaters
2018-12-07 03:34
#49
f0rest | 
Other leeo^^ 
Exactly what I think.
2018-12-07 04:39
+1 This is a perfectly legitimate argument and a likelier outcome tbh. Coupled with the fact that current players may (and already have lol) grow disillusioned enough with the game that they quit. Only thing that will increase is the artificial player count, resulting from new people wanting to try out the game but quitting it after less than 20 hours of misery facing smurfs, hackers and trolls in non-prime MM.
2018-12-07 05:00
+1 It might also be easier to rank up now
2018-12-07 03:36
There's no point in ranks If we look at the top ones. Just before this update LVL 6-7+ will join GE match and people start peeing their pants how miserable they are. Now ranks make even less sense.
2018-12-07 04:23
New silvers, old silvers get Gold, old golds get mg, old mgs get Le, le's get supreme / Global Hope it happens like this
2018-12-07 04:33
Yes, but why would you like it? If ranks have no meaning what's the point?
2018-12-07 04:35
I want to be Global like anyone else on hltv xD
2018-12-07 04:43
The thing is, the content they bring is absolutely garbage. The battle royale is AWFUL at best. Shit weapons etc. Pp instead of tje weapon everybody uses. They put so little effort into this, probably took them 2-3 days to create this. I mean seriously? What about a new/better ranking system? More ladders like proper 2on2 maps, 3on3,2on2 aimmaps etc. And seperate rank for everything New maps every 2-3 months from the workshop to find new, good maps.. Map creators get completely ignored lol How about a vote at the end of match for overtime if draw? How about making the HE nade a bit more realistic where it does damage through walls, would add cool new element as well, but doesnt change too much (sometimes I have one pixel between me and nade and I get zero damage LUL) They actually made decoys in BR with footsteps, why not for 5on5? Better servers? Come on.. How about actually improving the game modes they already have? Regular gungame, br, matchmaking 2on2 etc. Map rotations to have some variety in the game? I could go on and on.. Boggles my mind to this day
2018-12-07 03:43
+1
2018-12-07 08:34
>The battle royale is AWFUL at best Disagree, it still have flaws but I would never say its awful. >What about a new/better ranking system? idk on that one, whats wrong with the current? >New maps every 2-3 months from the workshop to find new, good maps.. Map creators get completely ignored lol half agree, i would like to see new maps to mappool and other gamemodes, but I wouldn't say map creators are completely ignored - if they were completely ignored then we wouldn't see any maps >How about a vote at the end of match for overtime if draw? this sounds quite bad actually like - 10 ppl in match, we have a draw, 7 votes yes and 3 no. Whats now? If match will continue then I feel that those 3 will probably leave > How about making the HE nade a bit more realistic where it does damage through walls, would add cool new element as well, but doesnt change too much if wall is 0,1 cm thick then yes, but getting damaged through the 2 meters thick wall is terrible idea >They actually made decoys in BR with footsteps, why not for 5on5? +1 >Better servers? Come on.. +1 >How about actually improving the game modes they already have? Regular gungame, br, matchmaking 2on2 etc. Map rotations to have some variety in the game? what would you improve in gungame, 2vs2 etc? br was just added so its going to be improved about map rotations +1
2018-12-08 14:30
Kids will create tons of account to watch next major for drops. Rip drops for me.
2018-12-07 03:51
i think drops are prime only
2018-12-07 08:34
+1 And the reason why we dont have 128 tick servers is because some peoples internet and computers cant handle it
2018-12-07 03:57
#41
Myanmar xdcc 
that reason falls through when you realise: 1) they continued to improve maps visually resulting in decreased performance (new nuke, new inferno, new dust2) 2) they introduced skins which decreased performance 3) I remember there was an anti cheat update that started hiding information from clients where other players are. so now when someone peeks you suddenly get a high increase of information. because of that they needed to increase rates. used to be 128k max and now it is 196608 default and 786432 max. quite a difference in required connection speed if you don't want your game connection to start choking.
2018-12-07 04:09
>computers cant handle 128 tick but lets update all the maps so they use up twice as much fps
2018-12-07 08:36
#40
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United States n3h 
I dont mind F2P, but they need to handle the way they ban differently like if someone cheats on a smurf ban all accounts associated with that computer's HWID and instant ban all future accounts until HWID is changed(reinstall windows).
2018-12-07 03:57
#42
Myanmar xdcc 
HWID spoofing, potential innocent people banned.
2018-12-07 04:15
#43
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United States n3h 
How would innocent get banned? Lan computers could have own steam account because game is free.
2018-12-07 04:19
#44
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United States EMD11 
BR with 64 tick and cheaters.... GG
2018-12-07 04:21
#52
eLUSIVE | 
United States mook_ 
if the game is f2p now why don’t valve just start hardware banning cheaters or smth its not like theyre gonna lose money anymore cuz the game is free
2018-12-07 04:44
I just want this fucking shit to be functional on my potato graphics card again (hd graphics). Other than that, if vacNET+TF works (which seems it do, i've never found a cheater on both MM and valve deathmatch), i'm fine with it. (just fix molly and jump bug plz, nobody asked for that)
2018-12-07 04:52
I rather have less players then a game full of cheaters. How likely is a new player to play the game again if he just gets destroyed by rage hackers or hackers in general in free mode?
2018-12-07 05:00
I think it's important to consider whether the increased player base are actually players who stick around or not. Because if you're a new player who tries playing non-MM rn, chances are you're going to meet hackers, smurfs and even trolls in your games. Probably won't find that enjoyable = won't bother sticking around. If anything, this move will likely hinder player base growth: 1. New players don't want to stick around after seeing just how hard this game is (hackers, smurfs, trolls) + no financial loss whatsoever now that the game is F2P (previously, you had to pay for the game which theoretically makes it likelier you stick with it.) 2. Current players are fed up with Valve and quit the game for good.
2018-12-07 05:04
#68
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Hong Kong MannaharaHK 
Good Now I can play with 19 spin bots in chinese casual
2018-12-07 05:22
-playerbase -cheaterbase
2018-12-07 05:39
more like decreased legit playerbase increased unlegit playerbase which is still increased playerbase from an overall numerical perspective, I suppose.
2018-12-07 06:02
Isn't that valve actually want? ofc profit first
2018-12-07 06:08
They don't actually want increased player base. They want the increase in people buying skins that theoretically come with more players. Problem is new legit players will probably not spend money on the game when they see how fucked up the non-prime MM queue is. Nor will the illegitimate players who just want to start a new account to hack for free. Only hope is that these new players will endure a whole month of grinding to level 21 to play Prime. Please tell me how realistic that sounds when you keep getting rekt by smurfs and hackers.
2018-12-07 08:35
#79
hns | 
African Union de_lite 
bet you felt really stupid rereading your post after you actually played the game mode
2018-12-07 06:04
yes I regretted when I got killed by an obv cheetah his crosshair focused on me through the walls ever since he got a gun while both of us made no sound at all lul
2018-12-07 06:11
#109
hns | 
African Union de_lite 
? Im talking about the new game mode being complete garbage not cheaters.
2018-12-07 20:44
well.
2018-12-07 20:49
+1
2018-12-07 08:12
+1 Finally someone who understands
2018-12-07 08:13
"before they go ahead with many more changes. " xDDD The only changes they gon be making is the ones that yield them most money.
2018-12-07 08:41
#97
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
If anyone is complaining about Molotov and jump glitch thingy gyazo.com/354c18f902c596d77c019b57a7dcf3..
2018-12-07 08:47
people just never get satisfied and when they get what they want they want more
2018-12-07 09:05
There's always been hackers and smurfs and yet the playerbase always increased. Why wouldn't it this time?
2018-12-07 12:46
yes it will increase with hackers and smurfs what a lovely game <3<<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
2018-12-07 20:57
Each time the player base increases by 1000 people, it's not like it's made up of 900 legit players and 100 hackers/smurfs, you know. The ratio will vary. Asking if playerbase will increase is pointless. Of course it will. What many of us are wondering about this time is how that ratio will look like.
2018-12-10 13:33
i can't open anymore my CSGO after the update if i select the beta 1.30 is open, is notebook intel graphics, somebody can help me pls?
2018-12-07 12:47
the only new players that will start playing the game will be new free accs made by existing cheaters
2018-12-07 13:28
They want 128 tickrate matchmaking to get killed faster by cheaters..
2018-12-08 12:50
#126
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Finland M0FF3 
They want to grow the player base... yes lets give everyone prime and unleash the cheaters
2018-12-08 14:31
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