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S1mple right or wrong?
EARTH | 
Other Earth_13_Majors_Pluto_0_Major 
mobile.twitter.com/s1mpleO/status/107101.. People calling him salty for saying csgo requires more dedication and both individual and team practice than a fighting game. The whole convo of his tweet is so spicy. Have a read
2018-12-08 03:45
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2018-12-08 03:49
S1mple Winner career Pick one
2018-12-08 04:38
#2
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Denmark Mr_Beast 
I support s1mple cuz we're all assholes here.
2018-12-08 03:49
Weird flex but ok
2018-12-08 03:55
haha so true cs go community so facking blyat salty douchebag idiots I love it.
2018-12-08 04:52
I see nothing "salty" or "toxic" in s1mple's tweet. He just stated the fact that CS:GO is much harder game than "fight-games" + CSGO requires more teamplay and many many other things which fight-games don't have at all.
2018-12-08 03:56
#7
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United States HowToK 
yeah but he's essentially undermining sonicfox's achievement and reward so i mean
2018-12-08 04:00
#109
shox | 
India prat_pps 
I never had a problem untill je opened his mouth and spewed political propoganda....like wtf? "Everything a republican hates" was that really necessary
2018-12-08 06:47
#124
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United States HowToK 
i dont think simple even cares about that at all, unless you replied to the wrong comment because it seems that that may be the case
2018-12-08 07:33
#8
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Indonesia linekerrr 
It's a little salty cause he basically said : "imagine awarding player of the year to someone who plays fighting games"
2018-12-08 04:03
But he didn't say that... He just stated the fact that games like CS:GO are much harder and players are much more skillful than players from "fight-games". Because CS:GO requires to many many things to learn and fight-games are only about 1v1 + combos.
2018-12-08 04:04
#12
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Indonesia linekerrr 
The first sentence? "just imagine to become best esport player in fighting game"
2018-12-08 04:05
I would say it's the truth, not salty.. Or you can put some arguments against S1mple's words at this case? (:
2018-12-08 04:06
#21
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Indonesia linekerrr 
He's still undermining what sonicfox has accomplished since he 'only plays fighting games'. Regardless of whether he's right or not, he still can be perceived as salty. He also didn't even bother to google search and find out that sonicfox is playing multiple games as #14 had said. Either way, i'm just putting my thought into this and don't really care either way.
2018-12-08 04:12
Yeah, but I must say that truth hurts. S1mple just posted the fact that any fightiing-game is easier than CS:GO and he explained a bit why is that. He is not undermining Sonic's achievements, but just saying that being top1 in a hard game is better than being top1 in easier game.
2018-12-08 04:14
#29
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Indonesia linekerrr 
Which may or may not be true since the difficulty in both of them is different and both of them require different skillsets.
2018-12-08 04:17
S1mple already explained why CS:GO is much harder game and Sonic's games are no comparison at this case.
2018-12-08 04:24
Yeah, but I must say that truth hurts. S1mple just posted the fact that any fightiing-game is easier than CS:GO and he explained a bit why is that. biased to simple and navi everywhere lmao you cant compare who is harder both games are hard and have their sets of difficulty. you prob havent even played fighting games in your life lmao
2018-12-08 04:25
You are wrong here my friendo. First of all. I was playing mortal-combat, tekken and many many other fighting games in my life. I was playing fighting games on PC / Sony Playstation / slot machines. CS:GO - team game which requires not just solo things like aim, game sense and so on, but communication, teamplay and many other things... So it's in fact harder than any fighting-game.
2018-12-08 04:28
so i guess starcraft is easy as well then ugh? the game that is praised on being one of the hardest esport games lul
2018-12-08 04:31
Again bad comparison. You compare Star-Craft to fighting-game lol are you okay bruh?
2018-12-08 04:31
the only thing you talked about is team work both fighting games and starcraft doesnt have teamwork lmao
2018-12-08 04:32
Star Craft has no teamplay, but Star-Craft in fact is much harder than fighting-games.
2018-12-08 04:33
so tell me why csgo is harder than fighting games then? because all you did was talk about teamplay, and not answering to my statements
2018-12-08 04:35
Ok, so we are talking about "PRO" part of both games (CS:GO vs any solo fighting game). CS:GO requires not just reaction and solo style / strategy, but TEAM strategy, teamplay, team chemistry, communication, even friendship if you want. And so on. I can list more and more things by which CS:GO is harder game.
2018-12-08 04:38
you just talked that its a team game again lol. when we just talked about starcraft. TEAM strategy, teamplay, team chemistry, communication, even friendship if you want
2018-12-08 04:40
Yeah, but the fact that it's a teamgame makes it 2x harder already lol... I don't have to put any other arguments, I must just say that it's harder JUST because it's a team game and it requires communication / teamplay etc.
2018-12-08 04:41
but we just talked how starcraft is considered the hardest game and is not a team game. ??????????????
2018-12-08 04:42
Star Craft is not "the hardest" game, but HARDER than fighting games... Dude why you spoiling our discussion by such a pity mistakes...
2018-12-08 04:44
so i guess starcraft is easy as well then ugh? the game that is praised on being one of the hardest esport games lul
2018-12-08 04:44
You can master solo games, but team games are harder cuz they require cooperation with other people and not only solo things. In solo games everything depends on you, your knowledge and skill, in team games many things and results are dependent not only ON YOU. That's a fact bruh. For example, just imagine if CS:GO will be turned in SOLO game. So Na`Vi will keep only S1mple and he will be undisputed #1 player for ages so as Na`Vi. It works like that, check Soccer or other PC games... Solo players are dominant for ages, cuz it's easier to be dominant in solo game than in a team game. Cuz in a team game result depends not only on 1 person + it requires more things than solo skill.
2018-12-08 04:51
No offense but you come off like a huge noob. I really doubt you achieved any decent level in this game because your opinion of skill in video games is literally like asking my grandma what she thinks. What makes s1mple so good is not only his 1 vs 1 ability, but his gamesense, his understanding of positions and timings. Without the team and unique map elements in CS GO the game becomes much more linear, in a 1 vs 1 aim map he could lose to random tier6+ nonames because it is that much more random. Players with pure aim like xantares would have an advantage over s1mple in an aim map, but even then it's still fairly random and doesn't count for what CS really is. starcraft requires so much mechanical and tactical skill your brain would not even comprehend a fraction of it. They play 10 times more hours a day than the pros of cs go, all of them practice at least 8-10 hours a day some of them even more. All the top korean pros have over 30,000 hours played compared to cs go where most are under 10k.
2018-12-08 12:45
literally just read #4 lol,
2018-12-08 04:37
What's wrong there? I just said that if you compare SOLO GAMES like StarCraft and any fighting-game, Starcraft is harder...
2018-12-08 04:42
not reading what i am writing again lul
2018-12-08 04:33
You are trolling too much bruh, that's why I can't read your posts seriously anymore. But I'm trying.. Believe me.
2018-12-08 04:33
He ment as in ''a'', he didn't know he played multiple.
2018-12-08 04:06
He meant just imagine positively
2018-12-08 04:12
#93
Xyp9x | 
Other Zyncc 
+1111
2018-12-08 05:34
wel honestly it sounds stupid to win award by playing that crap
2018-12-08 13:31
CS is harder in that it involves teamwork/communication/chemistry, but it's also easier in that you sit there holding an angle for 75% of the round, and you can often get kills off of no skill at all, and you also can get bailed out by your teammates when you're playing shitty. Fighting games don't require tracking fast objects or as much fine motor movement as CS, but more non-stop reaction speed, non-stop move execution (in the harder ones), and reads of the opponent, and is pure individual skill so if you lose it's all on you.
2018-12-08 04:07
Dude, I have read all stuff you wrote. It's good that you are defending your countryman. But S1mple was 100% right about the fact that CS:GO is much harder game than any fighting one. So the award must be taken by someone who mastered harder game, not to the someone who is better at Mario or something.
2018-12-08 04:15
I couldn't care less about "defending my countryman". How can you possibly say that CS is a harder game? How much do you even know about fighting games? Do you know the individual skill it takes to do Magneto air-dash combos in a game like MvC2 for example, or that that you have three frames to execute a roll cancel in CvS2? Have you seen the Daigo parrying clip where he has to parry within the exact couple frames 10 hits in a row or he dies? If not, you have no idea what you're talking about at all.
2018-12-08 04:18
Team games > solo games. Cuz Team games require communication and teamplay with other people, not only solo stuff and combos. especially if we are talking about CS.
2018-12-08 04:25
ok fine, that sounds like a preference though. Just say you prefer football/basketball over boxing/tennis next time (not literally).
2018-12-08 04:36
I was a boxer in my adolescence, but football (talking about soccer, not regby) and basketball are both harder than Boxing. That's why team games like Football have more money involved. Just facts sir.
2018-12-08 04:40
not sure if trolling or lived in mom's basement whole life... those sports have more money in them because they are more POPULAR - this is a market economy and money revolves around fanbase ONLY, and has nothing to do with skill whatsoever. Maybe you never attended higher education to learn that.
2018-12-08 07:02
I've been playing FPS games my whole life. CS mostly, been playing in LANS with friends and such, won a lot of em I picked up sc2 the moment it came out, played it in tournaments, won some tournaments, mained Zerg. I can confirm Csgo is a way harder game cus it obviously sometimes doesnt matter how good you are, You'll still need the communication, cooperation.
2018-12-08 12:19
back to the roots
2018-12-08 03:58
#6
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United States HowToK 
shouldnt have said that but its interesting that most of the people there calling him salty are part of the same community as sonicfox simples definitely salty for losing to a gamer who plays fighting games, but everyone theres also pretty salty that he basically insulted the fighting game genre since he pretty much said team games like csgo is harder
2018-12-08 03:59
Fighting games are just smashing buttons and repeating combo. People need 1k hours just to get used to csgo
2018-12-08 04:16
#22
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Indonesia linekerrr 
You clearly only play them casually if they're just 'smashing buttons'
2018-12-08 04:12
ye, every game need its own skill and need to be respected, dunno what he want to reach with that behaviour. -kinda same towards sharks -to the own mates after loosing 9-1 to mouz ( there was a video here) and now this..
2018-12-08 04:30
#9
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Australia CaZeR01 
Hes right tho lel
2018-12-08 04:03
#11
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Indonesia linekerrr 
Do you religiously play fighting games, or even play them at all? Just curious
2018-12-08 04:04
S1mple is right csgo>> any fighting games but any achievement in any game shouldn't be undermined
2018-12-08 04:07
#82
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Australia CaZeR01 
Nah lol i really dont like fighting games aha, but of what i know theres no doubt cs has an a lot higher skill ceiling, but then again i cant really say that coz they are completely different genres. This is imo btw
2018-12-08 05:09
#18
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Estonia BlameS 
P1mple is right, fighting games require less skill and the only reason Sonic won the award was because he is a black queer furry + he just had to throw it in there that "things that every republican hates", what a fucking stupid idiot.
2018-12-08 04:11
+1
2018-12-08 04:16
#23
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Poland swstk 
I love how everyone is calling him a hater, and salty, but he's not really, they are salty because he called the fighting games easier, which they kinda are, let's be honest here : D
2018-12-08 04:13
+1
2018-12-08 04:16
Yeah its obviou. All the SF, MK fans were triggered
2018-12-08 04:17
#50
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Indonesia linekerrr 
I also love how people say that fighting games are just smashing buttons and hitting combos. Well this site is a cs community so it's clearly going to be biased towards s1mple. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
2018-12-08 04:35
#70
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Poland swstk 
no one said that, it's tactics too, but there's so much more to train in CS hence it's harder, it's not really hard to understand but your tiny brain can't comprehend it
2018-12-08 04:58
#75
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Indonesia linekerrr 
#17 #73 no one said that OK. I have to ask one thing, do you play fighting games religiously? cause if not, you're just being ignorant.
2018-12-08 05:05
#81
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Poland swstk 
im not gonna look for your stupid fucking posts, fuck off also if i hear "ignorant" once more, i might just get angry such a stupid fucking buzz word
2018-12-08 05:10
#83
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Indonesia linekerrr 
well you're just too stupid to understand that you can ctrl+F Feel free if you want to hold on your belief that nobody says that in exchange to you being ignorant. Gotta love people who REFUSE to believe that their belief is wrong and that they won't accept being wrong when confronted by basic facts Have a good day sir
2018-12-08 05:13
#85
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Poland swstk 
well my belief is not wrong, because csgo is just simply more complex in a few ways than fighting games, but you don't understand this. also fuck off with your passive aggressive reddit attitude, you're not on reddit
2018-12-08 05:14
#30
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Mexico Ch4vez 
fighting games :puke:
2018-12-08 04:18
Whats the difference between casual and comp. fighting gamer
2018-12-08 04:25
#37
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Mexico Brayam7u7 
Right
2018-12-08 04:30
He has just rekt himself and showed how dumb he is by proposing a 1 month training before the fight, lol. He received back an offer for 1 year of preparation + aim_map BO3 and I bet you even in a year he won't even be able to rank up to GE (b4 F2P), not even saying he will shit his pants vs solid FaceIt player who are nowhere close to even semi-pro. And I bet you If I had a year of everyday training (they prolly play like 8+hrs cuz they have nothing else to do) with professional attitude (study matchups, combos, frames etc.) I'll be very close to the pro level, not saying being on par with a pro (maybe?), but very close. That's the difference, in a year in CS you will be nowhere close to even FaceIt player.
2018-12-08 04:33
+1
2018-12-08 04:35
CS:GO is 'harder' but not for any reason about to how the game is played or it being FPS genre. 'difficulty' in esport comes from the skill level of other players vs your own, how well they have adapted and streamlined their thought processes compared to you. What exact kind of thing you have to do in the game makes no difference at all, at the end of the day you still only need to execute something better than someone else The reason CS:GO is 'harder' is because there are more players of the game in total. It means the skill required to reach and stay at the highest level is higher, simply because you have to be better than a greater number of other players to be that good. So our god s1mple is right, CS is harder. But only because more people play it
2018-12-08 04:34
+1
2018-12-08 04:36
LMAO WHAT FUCKIN BULLSHIT DID I JUST READ BY THAT RETARDED LOGIC LOL AND FORTNITE ARE THE HARDEST GAMES IN THE WORLD
2018-12-08 04:39
Yep you right, to be the best in the world at the most played game in the world is the most difficult. I don't want to say that learning to play CS is easier than learning to play LoL, fighting games etc because that's not true. but being at the top level is a different thing
2018-12-08 04:59
There's a skill ceiling of the game itself and at least 1 of the factors that contrubute to that ceiling is the amount of variables (that do not depend on you). Just taking that alone CS rekts fighter community.
2018-12-08 04:44
lmao s1mple is retarded, the guy that won the award, won 7 tourneys and had 5 second places in 2018, while s1mple at na'vi won 3 events while 2 of 3 were tier 2 events. how the fuck are they supposed to give the award to a player that has nothing to show of other than his stats? if s1mple was playing in astralis then he would probably win but makes no sense giving the award to him while he didn't achieve anything.
2018-12-08 04:38
You can win 3 Majors in CS:GO and someone will win Football (soccer) World championship with his team. Who gonna be praised more if you ask other people?
2018-12-08 04:45
WTF u talking about? s1mple didn't win any majors either. stats doesn't matter if you aren't converting these stats to wins at events, anybody that doesn't play csgo wont get impressed by stats. let me give an example who do you think that people will think is the better player 1: device that won 8 premiers events and a major in 2018 got mvp at the major and has good stats while winnin events 2: s1mple didn't win shit but has sick stats?
2018-12-08 05:01
We are talking about BEST PLAYER so stats do matter if the player is playing around top1-3 teams and tier1 league. 1. NOT DEVICE, but Astralis won 2. S1mple have showed THE BEST PERFORMANCE BY A HUMAN BEING at CS this year. That's why he gonna be #1 this year and his team is #2.
2018-12-08 05:03
yea, go check any sports all the best players in the history of sports carried their teams to titles Device has sick stats and at the same time he is converting these stats to wins at events s1mple showed the best performance but what that's good for if he still strugglin to beat teams like ghost and gettin stomped by liquid s1mple had the opportunity to join other teams and he choose to stay at na'vi, now he keeps playing the victimism card " but but my teamates are bad" well its your own fuckin fault for choosing to stay with them.
2018-12-08 05:13
Device is not converting his stats to his teams' wins, it's just the whole Astralis team that is just the best at the moment. Device is just the part of that team, he is not a carry dude. Dupreeh might be called Astralis' carry too then?
2018-12-08 05:15
dude if we use your own logic then device stats are even more impressive, because he is playing in a team full of fraggers so his teammates are also taking kills but he still gets sick stats, now in s1mple case he has edward and zeus to use as bait and he knows that they wont frag so it means more frags for him anyway s1mple is at na'vi because he choose to stay at na'vi he could be at mibr or even at faze right now, so its his own fault, in my opinion stats only matter when you have events wins to back them up, because at the end of the day the thing that most people care about is winning, who the f cares if s1mple had a 2.0 rating if his team went out in groups? meanwhile device has a 1.20 rating but he is at the finals stacking throphies to remember these moments when he retires.
2018-12-08 05:20
Your logic is wrong. I can explain. It's really harder to be carry when all your team is shit, cuz they don't play on you. But if you play in a well-structured team you may focus on stats more. Device is a good proof of stats-focused player. But S1mple is the TRUE CARRY and the funny thing is that he is much much better in terms of stats too. I guess S1mple's talent is just unhuman/sick thing nowadays.
2018-12-08 05:22
nope, its just like niko, while he was at mouz some times he would get 40 frags while losing while his teammates would get like 10 frags each, then he went to faze and you dont see him doing that anymore, if you're in a team with alot of fraggers it becomes harder for you to have insane numbers because theres just not enough kills
2018-12-08 05:27
NiKo never did 40 frags against top1-3 teams when he was in mouz bro. Let's face the fact... NiKo was just better than his teammates, but he was never 40+ frags vs top teams. Cuz he was lacking top teammates. When your teammate can't kill enemies on his position, it doesn't mean that it's EASY to kill them after they have already run on the bomb site. You know?
2018-12-08 05:29
lol ofc he did here's the match hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/28399/.. he was basically s1mple he would drop 30,40 bombs while his teammates were all negative. i gave that example cus while NiKO was in mouz the community talked about him the same way that they talk about s1mple now. also if your teammates can't get kills on a bombsite, you may not win the round but you still can get exit kills which are way easier to get specially with AWP, if you watched today's game on inferno you saw that s1mple got a bunch of exit kills now if your teammates are good you won't be gettin any kills because they're just clean up by themselves so you wont get the opportunity of trying to get a kill.
2018-12-08 05:38
#91
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World nakTriceps 
s1mple had the chance to go for MIBR with flamie. I think it´ll be huge. But, if he choose to stay, gl and don´t cry.
2018-12-08 05:29
You basically wrote that SonicFox deserves the award because he played good individually, while stating that s1mple doesn't deserve the award even though he was arguably the best player individually this year while also playing in a team. s1mple didn't achieve a lot, but that wasn't his fault. He didn't play perfectly every match but still is nowhere near a 1.00 rating in any event he played this year. Nobody really cares about these awards, but to say that a solo fighting game takes more skill than an FPS like CS:GO in a team setting is stupid. Imagine if instead of Edward/Zeus/Flamie Na`Vi fielded clones of s1mple. Now s1mple's individual skill would still be the same, but they'd be winning many events and s1mple would end up as player of the year, despite his performance being the exact same as it is now. I'm not even shitting on fighting games, I imagine they require a lot of skill as well, but I don't think the competition or skill is remotely close to what we have in CS:GO.
2018-12-08 05:57
ofc it was his fault he was the one that choosed to stay in that team, he could have joined any team he wanted, if he wants to waste his talent that's his problem, but he can't choose to stay in na'vi then make tweetlongs saying that he doesn't win because of his shitty teammates, playin the victim card while he was the one who made the choice also individual skill with throphies >>> individual skills without them
2018-12-08 06:06
#106
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Russia goodjob 
what trophies? there are no trophies in fighting games comparable to csgo there is no scene in the games he plays comparable to csgo.. he basically won a couple of qualifiers, a dreamhack tourney with 1k prize pool or some shit and then one big one in the end.. also comparing winning a tourney in a 1on1 game that if you dont win you cant claim that you're the best and a team game like csgo is retarded
2018-12-08 06:39
csgo is a team game, so to claim that you're the best you need to be the best while winning with your team, couple years from now everybody will remember astralis for winning a bunch of events but s1mple will be remembered as the guy who had talent but wasted it in a dead team, nobody will care.
2018-12-08 06:58
#121
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Russia goodjob 
well thats because of mob mentality and putting too much on team achievements instead of looking at individual play its much harder to win in a team game and its also harder to perform individually in a team game
2018-12-08 07:18
(Nobody really cares about these awards, but to say that a solo fighting game takes more skill than an FPS like CS:GO in a team setting is stupid.) I'm pretty sure SonicFox plays 5+ fighting games, just to be clear. Not to mention that he have won events in 3 different titles this year.
2018-12-08 07:41
What about the competition though? Maybe the competition in those games sucks. Wouldn't be very surprising considering nobody takes competitive fighting games seriously. Maybe the games aren't very different from each other? Maybe they don't take a lot of skill to begin with, allowing skill from one game to easily translate to other games. In any case, fighting games don't take nearly as much skill as CS. The award has to be categorized or whoever gives it away has to weigh all facettes of every contender's game against each other. Purely looking at the amount of competitions won by a player is worthless. Of course a solo player in a game with competition that's made up of 10 players wins over a player in a team with a huge competitive scene.
2018-12-10 03:09
#68
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Germany Vinylshark 
Who cares about fighting games? They're completely boring to play and even more boring to watch. Dude has time to practice 5 fighting games and be the champion in all of them? I think that quite clearly shows how low the skill level must be in those button mashers. CSGO teams have no time to practice anything else than CSGO and for most that still isn't enough to reach Tier 1.
2018-12-08 04:53
#69
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Brazil MarieLaMary 
You clearly don't know absolutely anything about fighting games.
2018-12-08 04:57
#73
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Germany Vinylshark 
So you wanna tell me that button mashers are more difficult than CSGO? Just learning all the smokes for each map takes more practice than learning one or two combos from the one fighter you're just gonna use.
2018-12-08 05:01
#77
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Brazil MarieLaMary 
If you think fighting games are just combos, again: You clearly don't know absolutely anything about fighting games.
2018-12-08 05:03
#79
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Germany Vinylshark 
Than please go ahead and explain what makes button mashers so difficult in your eyes.
2018-12-08 05:04
+1 You are 100% right here.
2018-12-08 05:01
mate i think hes just salty that he lost to a furry
2018-12-08 05:03
#84
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El Salvador Sp1x 
Funny how the top comment completely misinterprets s1mple's tweet to fit their own idea. I think cs is more difficult due to the nearly unlimited intangibles that go into the game: nade spots, executions, mind games, positioning, clutch factor, etc. The average uneducated fuck will only see a first-person shooter, which is why they think it's easy. Then there's also the classic saying, "Easy to pick up, difficult to master."
2018-12-08 05:13
Fighting games fans saying Fighting games >>>csgo in terms of skills because in fighting game you play solo. So all depends on your sole skill and intelligence while in cs go your team mates can carry you. Well, do they know thats the very reason csgo is harder? Because in csgo the team mates can drag you down more often than they carry no matter how hard you try. Like simple in navi for example. if cs go tournament was based on 1v1 aim, then s1mple would take all trophies and achievements in past three years.
2018-12-08 05:51
#118
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El Salvador Sp1x 
Not only that, but you also have to cooperate with them, create tactics, etc. And there are the random plays of teammates that you can't account for.
2018-12-08 07:09
What is with you noobs thinking that 1 vs 1 aim maps are a deciding factor in cs? don't you understand that these aim map take away most of what cs really is? 1 vs 1 aim maps are random as fuck compared to real team based cs, you could have complete no names that practice a bit of 1 vs 1 beat s1mple pro players who have purely better aim would be ahead of s1mple, some of which are terrible cs players as a whole. And even then it would still be random as fuck. 1 vs 1 does not decide your skill in cs, get a grip already.
2018-12-08 13:25
retard properly read what i said. Team aspect,chemistry, comm and all complexes elements together is why cs is superior. Thats why i said if cs was played 1v1 simple would win most of the times as an example
2018-12-08 14:26
But he wouldn't win most of the time because 1 vs 1 aim is random as fuck compared to real cs, you just can't understand this can you? I mean I understand how noobs like yourself can't understand basic gameplay concepts without experience, but you also have actual data to go on by. You literally had the entirety of astralis getting smashed by c9 in a 1 vs 1 aim just a few weeks ago, flamie smashed s1mple in a 1 vs 1 two consecutive maps the same year s1mple was carrying liquid. Please don't talk about CS and if it was 1 vs 1 aim anymore, it's just a stupid noob thing to say. s1mple is the best player ever, but his 1 vs 1 aiming ability is just a small fraction of what makes him great. Taking everything else away and just leaving it a 1 vs 1 aim situation, would make him much weaker than what he can do in a real cs game.
2018-12-08 14:45
Astralis as a team is on another level. Their team work,utility usage is what makes them no. 1. We all know that individually astralis players are not overwhelmingly skilled. So losing 1v1 vs cloud 9 was not surprising.Morever C9 had flusha,autimatic,kio who are individually great players. I know 1v1 is mostly random for most average pro players ). But mechanically more skilled players like s1mple, NiKo are on another level because of their sheer aim.
2018-12-08 14:59
I promise you, and this not a controversial thing to say, dupreeh is much more skilled than golden in every way. And while golden managed to smash dupreeh in that 1 vs 1 aim map, I can comfortably say that it doesn't mean shit. You really need to stop defending this 1 vs 1 aim concept, s1mple may feel comfortable challenging random people but I assure you he knows that 1 vs 1 aim results mean literally nothing in this game.
2018-12-08 15:04
here you go maybe you will learn how random 1 vs 1 aim is compared to a real game: youtube.com/watch?v=HRKsAAtyuGc youtube.com/watch?v=XkhZ93udneU hltv.org/matches/2328313/astralis-vs-clo..
2018-12-08 14:56
I agree
2018-12-08 05:32
I don't see anything wrong with that, unless he didn't expect to trigger the button mashing community. Fighting games are obviously incredibly easier to learn, with countless transferable skills between them and significantly fewer variables once you know the combos etc. I'm really good at them and average at CS but I much prefer playing CS because it's a real challenge when you vs good teams.
2018-12-08 06:06
Really? I tried to learn them for like 20h and gave up, fuck learning combos. Also, couldnt beat the bots on hardest difficulty (mortal kombat X)
2018-12-08 06:20
I'd give up if it took me 20h to learn combos too hehe, nah I just read 4 or 5 combos and then do them, from there it's just a matter of muscle memory to make sure you nail them every time, but if you remember them you can have a bit of fun playing the game for hours to build up the muscle memory. Being a pro at those games would be boring AF, there's just no real variation.
2018-12-08 06:30
Well I learned much more than 5 combos but it's just fundamentals that get me rekt I guess, I just couldnt beat that fucking bot
2018-12-08 12:15
#100
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Indonesia linekerrr 
They're incomparable in nature anyway because both of them require different skillsets. It's like saying chess is easier than football or that volleyball is easier than football. There are also people who are extremely good in CS but extremely bad in fighting games
2018-12-08 06:29
Chess and football is an invalid comparison, let's start with that. And yes, volleyball is easier than football.
2018-12-08 06:32
#105
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Indonesia linekerrr 
Exactly, it's an invalid comparison. Just like comparing fighting games and csgo as the variables is different. That's my point, they use different skillsets. In volleyball and football one involves using your hand/arm and another involves using your foot/feet. Of course that's not all, just one of the basic principle
2018-12-08 06:38
Na na na, chess is a board game. Those two are videogames. And you still haven't replied to the "volleyball is easier than football" statement.
2018-12-08 06:41
#113
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Indonesia linekerrr 
I just said that it involves different skill sets so it isn't directly comparable and therefore i disagree with notion that volley is easier. well csgo is a pc game , an FPS Game meanwhile fighting games are not (console I think), a FIGHTING GAME so they're different within the videogame genres, so they're an invalid comparison too, then?
2018-12-08 06:53
There's a line where the comparison is valid. Your example might be transferred to biology: Kingdom: Animalia and Plantae vs Chess and Football or Subfamily (for cats): Pantherinae (big cats) and Felinae (small cats) vs Volleyball and Football
2018-12-08 07:09
#122
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Indonesia linekerrr 
You're under the assumption that the difference are 3 taxonomy groups (phylum, class, order). what are the 3 taxonomy groups between them? Because it sounds like you're just distancing chess and football as far as you can
2018-12-08 07:18
Sure thing I did and it wasn't factually right. However, chess and football are way apart to compare than fighter and FPS.
2018-12-08 07:28
True, they're not directly comparable.
2018-12-08 06:32
#104
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Russia goodjob 
cs is definitely more difficult.. and way more competitive as well also that dude won just two significant tournaments in 2018 lol.. he was in no way dominating.. and dont tell me that s1mple also didnt win as much because its different.. cs is a team game and fighting is a 1 on 1.. so only by winning you can show that you're the best
2018-12-08 06:34
Right, would be way easier to argue If they wanted to compare fighter against 1vs1 aim_map performance, but when you add the rest what accounts for CS:GO their fighter stands no chance.
2018-12-08 06:44
#110
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Russia goodjob 
team games are always going to be more complicated we can argue about how much skill fighting games take vs how much skill csgo take individually(mechanically), but a team aspect takes it to a whole another level but even individually in csgo i think there is a huge variety of things you need to do to dominate like s1mple.. fighting games obviously require a lot of skill, but they're way more straight forward.. and there isnt much room for improvisation either and i actually like fighting games and always liked them since i was a kid playing mk
2018-12-08 06:47
That's what people on Twitter don't understand, every single tweet is a facepalm.
2018-12-08 06:48
#112
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Russia goodjob 
yeah.. its pretty fucking stupid well i know why this dude won(pretty obvious), not going to say it though cuz dont want to get banned also that doesnt mean hes not good either, s1mple was just simply on another level. I've been watching cs since early 1.6 years and i think i've never seen anything quite like this
2018-12-08 06:50
Because of how he relates to all those minorities, yes, stupid time we live in right now. P.S. Out of my personal experience, calling somebody black is ok in UK and widely used in official documentation, but not in US.
2018-12-08 06:54
#115
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Russia goodjob 
also want to point out that i have nothing against people like this guy.. well maybe i have something against him being a furry and against the way he acts.. but its his business anyways
2018-12-08 06:55
Sure thing, I think we can agree that we're against the artificial and pressured focus on those minorities.
2018-12-08 07:12
+1
2018-12-08 11:11
he's right. The fact that the furry is able to play 5 different games explains it all
2018-12-08 12:17
Yeah. Sonic switching between 5 games explains it all. There are very few, if any, players who are equally good with all the competitive FPS like cs,cod,r6 together ( streamers like shroud, Doc excluded since they are not pro)
2018-12-08 14:31
Yea, the closest to that would be f0rest, and that doesn't even include playing 1.6 and csgo simultaneously.
2018-12-08 16:03
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