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HLTV TOP 20 PLAYERS
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United States Jammin800k 
1. S1mple 2. Device 3. Niko 4. Dupreeh 5. Electronic 6. Magisk 7. NAF 8. Gla1ve 9. Krimz 10. Coldzera 11. Twistzz 12. Xyp9x 13. Guardian 14. Sunny 15. Oskar 16. Elige 17. Tabsen 18. Ropz 19. Ethan 20. Valde/woxic 4/5/6 SUPER CLOSE 9/10/11 SUPER CLOSE still not sure where to put xyp9x dont think hes top 10 and it depends how they weight achievements vs stats as it has varied throughout the years Post yours below, I'll gladly explain any of my rankings :)
2018-12-14 00:18
good list///
2018-12-14 00:18
#385
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Brazil Cold_beast 
F5
2018-12-20 15:38
1.Pasha 2.Neo 3.Taz
2018-12-14 00:20
+rep
2018-12-14 00:34
#31
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Brazil CdM03 
+rep
2018-12-14 00:51
#48
Xyp9x | 
Iceland Fridd 
+rep
2018-12-14 01:13
F
2018-12-14 01:22
+report
2018-12-15 11:10
F
2018-12-17 10:57
Yo bro if csgo is a dead game then why the fuck you on hltv
2018-12-20 04:29
0.kane
2018-12-22 11:01
#3
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Spain Nscop 
2-Niko 5-Magisk And guardian a bit better in my opinion
2018-12-14 00:20
#6
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United States Jammin800k 
I really dont see ANY valid justifications for Niko having a better year than Device. Magisk could switch places with electronic. If he had gotten an MVP he definitely would be above him but electronic has marginally better stats however that might be overshadowed by tournament results. It's pretty hard to decide between those two Why should guardian be above xyp9x twistzz or cold? He had a very rough end to the year
2018-12-14 00:29
#7
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Denmark Mah_one_des 
xdxdxxdxd
2018-12-14 00:25
#123
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United States ascendaNt_88 
Reply needs to have actual content
2018-12-15 09:58
#163
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Denmark Twick_ 
He is 12 just ignore him
2018-12-15 11:18
#221
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Australia Lomcharton 
yeet Magisk just got an MVP
2018-12-16 03:45
#229
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United States Jammin800k 
#124 And that was before he got the MVP
2018-12-16 09:00
#263
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Australia Lomcharton 
yeah i know which is why i said just got an MVP to update
2018-12-16 14:58
Pretty hard to get MVPs when you have a s1mple in ur team xd The same could be said for Magisk tho as people rig MVPs for device so they have an excuse to put him on 1st place.
2018-12-22 10:22
#480
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United States Jammin800k 
If your argument is based in "hltv is biased" which is provably wrong then you have no argument. Device deserved all the MVPs he got and electronic deserved to not get all the MVPs he didnt. When he earns one hell get one, it's not like he hasnt had chances. And magisk is arguably on the harder team to get MVPs on as everyone can step up and play at an elite level at any given time, the same cannot be said for navi. Magisk has been the better player this year and the rankings will show that.
2018-12-26 07:52
Guardian_2_tier_1_wins_1_mvp_cold_0
2018-12-26 06:09
#479
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United States Jammin800k 
Wins are team based, guardian was on a much better team the entire year it was only around October that MiBR seemed to get anything going and they were still weaker than faze. Guardian isnt the best player on his team, cold is. Cold is the primary reason for SKs succsss. Cold has a top 5 impact, rating, KPR, and KAST or in otherwords his stats are insane. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/2757/Guar.. Further more guardian dropped below 1.1 multiple times and 1.05 once at a low of 1.02. Cold dropped below 1.1 once this year monthly at a low of 1.08. Cold had only 1 negative event at .99 and had 10 big events with a 1.15 rating or higher. Guardian had 4 negative events and 7 big events with a 1.15 rating or higher. Guardians MVP was for a performance of a 1.3 rating 83.3 ADR and .82 KPR. Cold has had 3 big events that are equal to that performance this year.
2018-12-26 07:53
Biased
2018-12-15 12:15
#406
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Singapore Ndev0r 
FaZe clan didnt win much this year and NiKo has little mvps, even if NiKo stats are good he's not gonna be contesting with S1mple or dev1ce
2018-12-21 09:11
+1
2018-12-21 12:07
#5
ScreaM | 
Belgium jorneiro 
No cerq?
2018-12-14 00:22
#8
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United States Jammin800k 
No cerq. I mean Ethan has been NRGs best player and theres just not enough room. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/10671/nah.. Who is cerq better than that's on the list?
2018-12-14 00:26
better than ropz imo
2018-12-14 00:30
#23
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United States PlusOne 
+1 Ropz had a rough few months without Styko
2018-12-14 00:37
#27
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United States Jammin800k 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11219/CeR.. Eh ropz literally has over double the amount of maps at big events, has 3 EVPs at big events to cerqs 1 and played the entire year at the top level whereas cerqs first big event was in April
2018-12-14 00:42
#262
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Finland Tulbu 
Cerq is too top5 awper on world right now
2018-12-16 11:25
#296
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United States Jammin800k 
Doesnt mean hes a top 20 player
2018-12-17 09:31
#317
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Other Im_God 
+1
2018-12-17 12:09
#438
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Croatia iceyb 
+1
2018-12-22 09:52
#352
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United States jadjadz 
nope
2018-12-17 18:44
U cant compare awp to a eco fragger rifler bro Ive been following since im bg And i can say that cerq impact on this team is 45 % higher tham anyone else Not to meantion his clutches Eco fragger > awp always lol...
2018-12-21 09:21
#418
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United States Jammin800k 
The hell are you talking about hltv.org/stats/players/compare/10671/nah.. Ethans impact rating is thru the roof he gets a good amount of entries is and great post plant, makes excellent reads and has amazing positioning for someone his age.
2018-12-21 21:52
FLAG hello
2018-12-22 19:11
#302
chrisJ | 
Finland Motori 
He is good but not good enough
2018-12-17 10:53
#9
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Denmark oskarsports 
GuardiaN too high lmao
2018-12-14 00:27
#318
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Other Im_God 
was thinking the same thing he has had a pretty bad year
2018-12-17 12:09
#319
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Denmark oskarsports 
GuardiaN has a 1.03 Rating and a pretty bad year overall and he is still infront of oskar and suNny, pretty funny tbh
2018-12-17 12:11
#320
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United States Jammin800k 
What the hell are you talking about? Do your research hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. 1.12 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. 1.10 Has an MVP, multiple EVPs and better placements than oskar and sunny
2018-12-17 12:27
#332
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Denmark oskarsports 
you link links where you can obviously see that oskar and suNny are better haha
2018-12-17 13:57
#334
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes if you only consider stats and filter out MVPs and achievements they were better but you need to include all metrics and the minor statistical differences dont make up for guardians advantages in accolades and achievements The point of the links was to show how ignorant your "guardian has a 1.03 rating" comment was. The 2nd part explained why guardian was ranked above them.
2018-12-17 14:10
#321
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United States Jammin800k 
Above
2018-12-17 12:27
#10
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Belgium 69Savage 
Tarik is not top 20 material, but I have a feeling a major MVP could help him tons
2018-12-14 00:27
A major MVP could help any player tons
2018-12-20 03:34
#383
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Belgium 69Savage 
Obviously, which is why I think he’ll be in the top 20.
2018-12-20 15:34
I just found the argument pretty meaningless since you can apply it to every player
2018-12-20 15:46
#393
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Belgium 69Savage 
Meaningless how? Tarik is not in OP’s top 20 list, and I believe he will be, due to the fact that he got a major MVP. I think you missed my point.
2018-12-20 17:15
I most certainly did, sorry
2018-12-20 17:52
1. s1mple 2. niko 3 4 5 6 7. Astralis 8. Electronic 9. NAF 10. Krimz
2018-12-14 00:31
#15
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United States Jammin800k 
That's just not gonna happen for a bunch of reasons Device had a better year than Niko. NAF had more MVPs/EVPs and much better stats than Xyp9x and gla1ve who were on a better team. And the players I've listed above xyp9x simply had noticeably more impact than him
2018-12-14 00:31
Xyp9x has some of the most important rounds in nearly every map Astralis play LUL but yeah NAF has more impact that he shits the bed every time they play Astralis
2018-12-14 00:35
#25
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United States Jammin800k 
Xyp9x has the lowest impact rating on Astralis NAF has the highest impact rating on Liquid hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8520/NAF/.. NAF literally ahead in every metric. Also has a higher ADR. Also has more EVPs and an MVP
2018-12-14 00:38
and hes out performed NAF in every final they have met in. If it was based on MVPs Device is the best player in the world by a mile... the fact is the other 4 players have played just as well
2018-12-14 00:50
#36
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United States Jammin800k 
Few things for you to consider Head to head is much more about the teams than the players. Xyp9x has outperformed NAF because he has a better team around him and is winning more rounds in the matchup, not specifically because he is playing better, NAF actually has a better overall rating in playoffs than xyp9x. It's not only based on MVPs. Where did you get that impression from? MVPS are a factor but not end all be all. It's a combination of individual stats, MVPs/EVPs, and achievements throughout the year. And while device might have the most MVPs a lot of people consider them to be controversial and they certainly arent as impressive as some of s1mples MVPs when he was legitimately carrying every map. I never said xyp9x didnt play well lmao hes the best clutcher in the game and I ranked him 12th but he certainly hasnt had the same year as Device or dupreeh individually. Does that make him less valuable to the team? No. We know xyp9x does things for the team that cant be seen through stats. But at the same time we have no metric to quantify those things so we cant just give him arbitrary "points" because we have no idea what exactly hes doing or how much of it hes doing or how much other players do these things to see if he his noticeably better. The top 20 is mainly individual and for a pure support player to be #12 is absolutely insane.
2018-12-14 01:04
You could argue that they have been individually better than xyp9x or that they have better stats than him. But to say that they had more impact is not a valid argument when he won almost every thing this year...
2018-12-14 00:39
#28
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United States Jammin800k 
Impact within the server is pretty much equal to ADR KPR Impact and KAST. Not once has a player not lead in 2 or more of those categories and not be 1st or 2nd in the history of HLTV rankings. Xyp9x winning everything loosely equates to his impact. Pronax won everything for 1.5 years that doesnt mean he had huge impact within the server, in fact he was known for quite the opposite. Now I'm in no way saying xyp9x and pronax are equal. But just because you've had a successful year doesnt automatically mean you are a top 10 player in terms of individual impact
2018-12-14 00:46
Totally agree on the most of it. But to say Pronax or Xyp9x did not have impact on the games without contribution to frags, assist or KAST is, imo, just not accurate. They have and had loads of impact on the matches without being involved in the rounds as you claim...
2018-12-14 00:53
#40
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United States Jammin800k 
Read the last paragraph of #36. I explained my ideas on the topic. If we were giving points from "impact outside of the server" or "impactful calls" gla1ve would be top 3 this year and pronax would have had multiple top 20 placings but that's not what the list is about. It's a comparison of players on an individual basis first.
2018-12-14 01:07
Agree but my idea of impact is just not only what goes on in the "battle" situations but also: rotations, info, mid round calls, smokes/molly to delay etc etc. So I guess we just have a different way of looking at the word "impact".
2018-12-14 01:23
#130
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United States Jammin800k 
Obviously those thing are impactful but we have no way of quantifying them whose to say s1mple doesnt have equal molly and smoke effectiveness to the players on Astralis. Moreover utility usage is very much a team based and style based thing. Astralis are very tactical so they have to rely on nades and rotations to win, Navi is not that tactical and is more about playmaking and setting up star pieces so their utility is not as important Read the end of #64
2018-12-15 10:22
I remember a situation on Inferno 3v5 Astralis CT. All 5 T stacked up on banana and xyp held them with 2 smokes(one from glavie who died) and a molly and they rotated to A. He rotated almost the same time and they won the round with him not killing anyone but having enormous impact on the round, but it is not show able in any stats...
2018-12-14 01:29
#136
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United States Jammin800k 
I remember a situation 3v5 where s1mple killed 4 people with a deagle and won the round. This one time s1mple threw a flashbang into a mirage from mid and electronic came out a ramp and got a 3k What's the point of that besides to say that the player is good and can make plays? I know they're talented but it's a list of the top 20 players with individual metrics at the forefront of the ranking and tournament success as a decider. And the reason that doesnt show in any stats is because it required a mistake from the Ts to happen. They clearly used too much time getting map control and played much too scared and didnt force out utility. If they play the situation properly they go B on him and he gets 1 kill max and they lose the round. Not to mention all he had to do was throw 2 smokes, that's not exactly individually impressive.
2018-12-15 10:29
I am not saying that others don't do equally crazy stuff, we where just discussing the term "impact" as we had different views on...
2018-12-15 14:33
#208
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United States Jammin800k 
No we dont, you're just using things that have NEVER been considered before in the rankings because for the reasons I've stated previously. I understand those things have impact but if these team oriented qualities were considered players like pronax and Zeus would have top 20s.
2018-12-16 03:25
"You could argue that they have been individually better than xyp9x or that they have better stats than him. But to say that they had more impact is not a valid argument when he won almost every thing this year..." <- this was the original post so YES dude. I think you mixing things up
2018-12-16 16:30
#280
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes that is the original argument, and your definition of impact has never been used at a criteria in HLTV rankings.
2018-12-16 22:46
Xyp9x has the biggest impact of any player in any team wtf u on about, hes the best support and has the most clutches
2018-12-14 02:55
#95
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United States Jammin800k 
Thats not what his impact rating says. His impact rating says .95 which is actually below average far below other supports like krimz. Yes hes the best pure support but this list is about individual performance where he ranks 12th not top 3 And if that were true then he would be undisputed top 1 player in the world. Highest impact OF ANY PLAYER? Are you daft? He doesn't get opening kills like s1mple he doesnt have nearly the same ADR as s1mple. KAST? Nope. Literally the only thing he does on the same level as s1mple is clutch yet that makes him more impactful?
2018-12-14 03:00
Opening kills and the overall amount of kills dont matter when xyp can clutch any 1 vs x situation which will win them the game and if you think that only stats matter than ur delusuonal. Xyp9x is one of the main reasons why Astralis are so dominant
2018-12-14 03:06
#102
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United States Jammin800k 
You do realize # of clutches is a stat right? And that's the only thing you're using to say that xyp9x>everyone. Opening kills dont matter? Delusional, opening kills obviously have impact You also realize s1mple had the 2nd most amount of clutches this year and for the majority of the year was the frontrunner? And as if s1mple isnt the primary reason Navi are relevant? Literally carried them to all of their high placings. Everyone on Astralis is a reason why they're dominant, that's why they're dominant. Device is the best tactical AWPer in the game super effective and efficient. Dupreeh is the best entry. Magisk is a top 6 player in the world as their 5th player/3rd star. Gla1ve is the best IGL/Fragging IGL in the game and yes xyp9x is the best support too, they shine everywhere in everything so I could literally make that point about any of their players. Point being their success as a unit does not mean that they are the best individual players especially with how tactical and unified they are they have less of a need for a standout player because every players job is impactful and specific to their own skillset.
2018-12-14 03:39
Btw I didnt say he is #1, but he is top10 without a doubt
2018-12-14 11:48
#109
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United States Jammin800k 
You said he had the highest impact of any player so yes you kinda did say he was #1. His stats are quite low for top 10 if he gets it it will be because of heavily weighted achievements not individual performances.
2018-12-14 17:54
Xyp9x won 76 1vX, s1mple played 5 less maps and won 75, with much better 1v1 success ratio. And yet people calling xyp9x undeniably the best clutcher of 2018, unbelievable.
2018-12-16 09:24
#242
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United States Jammin800k 
Great point +1
2018-12-16 09:33
He is the best clutcher. s1mple wins because of his pure skill, Xyp9x is a chess master and knows how to clutch much better than s1mple. Because you lack 1 clutch with fewer maps played doesnt make you a better clutcher, lol. Xyp9x with s1mples skill would probably get 90-100+ clutches
2018-12-16 15:26
How can one be better than another if both result equal amount? And how exactly xyp's clutch plays are smarter? Btw Niko won only 54 1vX in 154 maps played and in terms of raw talent/aim hes just as good as s1mple if not better
2018-12-16 16:16
Because one doesnt win by clutching ability but aiming ability while the second one wins thanks to positioning, cleverness, smartness, outplay, etc. s1mples clutching is basically about shooting people in the head, Xyp9xs clutching is about outplaying others and that makes him better clutch player. It doesnt matter if they have almost equal amount of clutches, Xyp9x is much better at clutching than anyone else because he will outplay/mindfuck everyone unlike s1mple who will overpower everyone and thats only because he is at his peak Btw, s1mple is way ahead of NiKo in terms of skill
2018-12-16 16:31
Even if we ignore s1mple's gamesense and awareness which according to you pug aimers such as him does not have anyways, why being smart is harder than being the most talented player of last decade?
2018-12-16 17:01
I didnt say he doesnt have awareness or gamesense, he does, but Xyp9x is miles ahead in that regard. Ive never said its harder, WTF, I just said that Xyp9x is a better clutcher, learn to read
2018-12-16 20:09
U're saying xyp9x is better at cluching because in your subjective opinion hes miles ahead in gamesense and basically is a chess master. In fact they both have their own features that gives them advantage over majority of players and leads into equally good outcome in clutching (far better than anybody else's, this year). So why winning clutches outplaying enemies is better than winning clutches outaiming? cba
2018-12-16 22:43
Because you dont have to play the clutch correctly if you outaim your enemies while Xyp9x outplays his enemies = he plays the clutch correctly
2018-12-16 23:52
#294
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United States Jammin800k 
But clutching is about using the advantages that you have to make the right plays, if he believes that he can take a fight and hit the shot then he should do it. And the end result of him using his advantages to xyp9x using his advantages (whether they be aim, game sense, positioning, reads or otherwise) is that s1mple wins more clutches per map and a higher percent of them overall. Keep in mind xyp9x is referred to as "the clutch minister of denmark" by casters and analysts while for s1mple they say "best player in the world".
2018-12-17 01:54
If he believes that he can take a fight then its just confidence, not right decision, nowadays there are many skilled players who can kill him easily when he does this and it happens often. Having confidence doesnt mean you should do this and that and can lead to bad decisions. The one who takes the advantage of everything is Xyp9x and then he makes the right play. Btw, s1mple winning more clutches per map is incorrect. Xyp9x has 78 clutches out of 164 maps while s1mple has 80 clutches out of 173 maps. Btw, I wouldnt be so sure about the percentage of clutching, I know that s1mple is +24 in 1v1s while Xyp9x +18 with 1 more death than s1mple but we dont know how many 1v2s, 1v3s, 1v4s and 1v5s they took throughout the year and I really do think that Xyp9x has higher overall percentage since he wasnt left in clutch scenarios as often as s1mple (especially not during Astralis' total dominance when theyd been sweeping their opponents from 16:2 to 16:8) who has much worse teammates that leave him in those situations more than often unlike Xyp9xs teammates who dont leave him in such a positions that often.
2018-12-17 15:30
#345
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United States Jammin800k 
Its the right decision if it works for him a higher percentage than any other player. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. Where did you get those map count numbers from, look at big events. The fact that Astralis often destroy opponents anyway means that xyp9x' clutches hold less weight since the clutch had less of an impact on the outcome of the game. S1mple also gets these clutches while getting opening kills in rounds more often and taking more opening duels which means a lot of these clutches are harder for s1mple because he will be tagged and enemies will have info on him. Xyp9x is set up to clutch much more heavily and is often on the extremities of the map and could come from anywhere. Astralis also have a better t side so they get more post plants and put xyp9x in more 1vx situations so his clutch % is definitely lower
2018-12-17 16:23
Do you know that there are not only big events but also smaller events? I guess not That doesnt mean it holds less weight, the round he clutches out can be breaking point in economy, can put other team on fire if he didnt clutch it out. The only info they can have on him is that hes tagged but they dont know where he is, lol + he doesnt clutch with low HP most of the times and he has awp during majority of those clutches which is 1 shot 1 kill. Xyp9x is usually with his team when the hit comes, throwing nades for them, he is not with them when they are not planning an execute (most of the times) and the lurkers are other players (dupreeh, Magisk, gla1ve, device if on AK, they mix it up). He doesnt come from "anywhere", he takes a spot after the hit and thats where he is, no flanks. And btw, when enemies know his exact position, they are not able to stop him anyway. How are they putting him in more 1vx situations???? They hold their postplants much better than anyone else winning them without Xyp9x like 80-90% of time, lol. While s1mple is left in those situations much more times on T side, one could argue that he is left in clutch in half of NaVis postplants and on CT side, Edward and Zeus (sometimes flamie joins them) are not able to hold site and leaving him in clutch again while Xyp9xs team can hold their own and if sth goes wrong, anyone can clutch. So whos % is lower, whos left in clutch scenarios more? Yeah, its s1mple
2018-12-17 16:38
#348
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United States Jammin800k 
I literally countered most of what you said in my previous post I'm not going to take the time to repeat it and since neither of us have full statistics it's pointless were literally arguing possibilities of # of clutches. Oh smaller events? hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. LAN vs top 20 s1mple has more clutches with less maps
2018-12-17 17:08
And I countered everything you thought were good arguments in your previous post and since you dont know what to say anymore it means that I proved you wrong because you have nothing now and repeating already smashed arguments is pointless for you. You still probably didnt find out that quantity =/= quality. Even tho I fucked up your arguments already you still dont seem to find a single brain cell in your "brain". As I said, he is left in clutches x times more than Xyp9x because hes got bad teammates unlike Xyp9x so he will have more clutches, thats logical (if you know what that word means) and it doesnt make him better clutch player. Its actually more impressive that Xyp9x with such a stacked team full of players that can clutch, hold sites/postplants still gets to clutch out so many rounds. While s1mple is left in clutch scenarios way more often because his teammates (apart from electronic) cannot hold sites/postplants (or even get to the site) and cannot clutch. Do you understand already that he gets way more chances to get clutches? Or is your brain still nowhere to be found?
2018-12-17 17:29
#350
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United States Jammin800k 
The quality of a clutch is if its 1v1 1v2 1v3 etc a clutch is a clutch the way they do it doesnt matter as long as its legit and it happens. You dont have the actual numbers for total # of clutches so you're talking out of your ass its possible s1mple been in more clutches due to weaker teammates it's possible that xyp9x has been set up to be in more clutches by his team and has been in more because Astralis get more post plants but neither of us know and were both guessing. So no you havent fucked up that argument. What we do know is at LAN vs top 20 opponents s1mple has more clutches in less maps. We also know that at big events s1mple has more clutches per map And lastly we know that s1mple wins a higher difference of 1v1s than xyp9x. Those are the absolute facts we have and I think most people would agree that those facts equate to s1mple being a clutch player. You can keep throwing all the ad hominem you want at me, all it does is make you look ignorant and adds nothing to your points.
2018-12-17 18:22
"You dont have the actual numbers for total # of clutches so you're talking out of your ass its possible s1mple been in more clutches due to weaker teammates it's possible that xyp9x has been set up to be in more clutches by his team and has been in more because Astralis get more post plants but neither of us know and were both guessing. So no you havent fucked up that argument." Oh yes I have. Those are logical things that you dont seem to see. All you need is watch NaVis games and Astralis' games and see who is left in clutch more often. Its s1mple, its a fact and because you either dont watch many games or dont watch them in detail you will keep saying this. Btw, that quantity =/= quality isnt meant as you think it is. Quality is when Xyp9x can get as many clutches as possible with Astralis' stacked lineup not offering him as many chances as NaVi is offering to s1mple (which is quantity in this case). Im not saying that s1mples clutches are not "quality", they are compared to anyone else but Xyp9x, in this case it becomes "quantity" because Xyp9xs "quality" in clutches is way above even the best player in the world. Same would go if we were to compare coldzera of 2017 and s1mple of 2018 in clutch scenarios. coldzera of 2017 has the edge there while s1mple would get the edge as the better player, just like with Xyp9x (not that convincingly tho) You are one of the people who looks at stats and says this and thats wrong, you have to go deeper than that to truly understand these things and game overall "I think most people would agree that those facts equate to s1mple being a clutch player." He is, my point is that he is not a better clutch player than Xyp9x
2018-12-17 18:41
#353
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United States Jammin800k 
And my point about astralis being in more post plants and setting up xyp9x to be in more clutches than navi sets up for s1mple isnt logical? My point about xyp9x not going for early picks and getting tagged like s1mple doesnt and having info on him isnt logical? Those are things that definitely happen. Furthermore let's say s1mple has been in more clutches but those clutches were 1v4s and 1v5s because he has weaker teammates. How does that make xyp9x the better clutcher? It doesn't Doesnt matter if Astralis is stacked xyp9x is consistently set up to be the clutch player dupreeh and magisk are almost never in clutches
2018-12-17 18:49
Xyp9x doesnt have to go for picks and s1mples picks are set up by his teammates and he rarely gets brought down to low HP since he usually doesnt miss, so what info do they have on him? "s1mple got the entry", thats supposed to be the info? And Xyp9x is tagged in clutches too, he helps his teammates get to the site, depending on situation he goes for trades and info based plays so he is tagged too, your point is useless. Why do you mention only 1v4s nad 1v5s? 1v3s, 1v2s, even 1v1s happen often. I literally told you what makes Xyp9x the better clutcher so read my comments again. I agree that dupreeh and Magisk arent the players who are supposed to clutch, those are mainly Xyp9x, device and gla1ve, dupreeh and Magisk can clutch well too tho, they have won many kinds of scenarios like 2v4s or 2v5s, they are that last option but they are great at it. Xyp9x is set up to clutch and what? He doesnt get that many opportunities as s1mple who, by the way, is meant to clutch too (mainly with electronic). Who do you want to clutch? Zeus? Edward? flamie? No. He goes for picks that are set up, other times he goes for trades and postplants and that leads to clutch scenarios. God, watch some of the games closely, really
2018-12-18 00:02
#358
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United States Jammin800k 
The central point of your argument is that you prefer to watch people outplay others in clutches rather than outaim them which is why you think xyp9x is a better clutcher but theres literally no difference in the clutch as long as the clutch happens. Both players have teams who set them up to be in late round situations and s1mple clutches more than xyp9x and wins a higher difference of 1v1s by 33% and that's really all there is to it. If s1mple wins a 1v2 on a site dust by headshotting 2 people and xyp9x wins it by playing time from long the outcome of the round is the same so why does it matter how the player does it if they're consistently the best as using that style to clutch?
2018-12-18 16:19
Oh god, where did I say that I prefer this and that? Tell me. Clutch is not all about aim, dumbass. Its only one factor of clutch and s1mple is the best in that one factor while Xyp9x is the best in ALL of the other factors like outplaying, mindgames, positioning, gamesense and especially in high pressure situations (when facing other teams' map point in semis/finals, f.e. or in a really close and even game when it matters the most) which I dont see s1mple do so yeah, that makes him easily overall a better clutch player. Your only argument is that he has higher 1v1 percentage which is irrelevant since a lot of 1v1s are that kind of clutches when you know where the other guy is or you double peek a guy and he kills your teammate but you kill him, does that kind of clutch make him a better clutch player? Dont you want to make a 1v1 tournament in order to find out who is the best player in the world? s1mple is able to use this style of play consistently either against weaker opposition or in a non-high pressure situations (like 95% of time) later in the game when everything is at stake. Xyp9x on the other hand is a completely different story, he comes out with clutches during most crucial moments consistently each tournament. The difference other than style of play between them is that Xyp9x is way more clutch when the highest pressure is on. Lets be real, s1mple doesnt do that and dont tell me he does, that would be the most stupid thing you could write
2018-12-18 16:56
#360
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United States Jammin800k 
You said Because you dont have to play the clutch correctly if you outaim your enemies while Xyp9x outplays his enemies = he plays the clutch correctly. So s1mple winning the clutch by hitting the shot is playing it incorrectly and therefore makes the clutch less valuable? The end result either way is a won round and they both clutch as much as the other person with the style they use. If not then the way the clutch is done has no relevance which ive been stressing from the start. Tell me. Clutch is not all about aim, dumbass. Its only one factor of clutch and s1mple is the best in that one factor while Xyp9x is the best in ALL of the other factors like outplaying, mindgames, positioning, gamesense and especially in high pressure situations (when facing other teams' map point in semis/finals, f.e. or in a really close and even game when it matters the most) which I dont see s1mple do so yeah, that makes him easily overall a better clutch player. S1mple is literally amazing at every one of those things and I never said it was about aim. its about everything but some players are better are somethings while some are better at others. S1mple uses an aggressive style to clutch but still makes very smart plays and reads, xyp9x uses a passive style and constantly tries to predict enemies movements. They have different clutching styles, not once did i say it was all about aim stop being delusional. If you dont see s1mple doing that its because you dont watch CS:GO how are you going to say that a player with the most clutches per map in the world is never clutch when the pressure is on, to do that you have to be clutch all the time. Yet another comment that proves your bias towards xyp9x s1mple is able to use this style of play consistently either against weaker opposition or in a non-high pressure situations (like 95% of time) No? I already said s1mple clutches more than xyp9x vs top 20 teams, thats a fact you cant just deny that. The difference other than style of play between them is that Xyp9x is way more clutch when the highest pressure is on. Lets be real, s1mple doesnt do that and dont tell me he does, that would be the most stupid thing you could write That just cant be backed up in any objective way besides the fact that xyp9x has a better team around him and therefore gets to more "high pressure games" eventhough Navi consistently get to playoffs and therefore they a ton of "high pressure matches" too. Dont you want to make a 1v1 tournament in order to find out who is the best player in the world? This is the dumbest comment in your post. 1v1s and clutches are completely different for sooo many reasons. Your only argument is that he has higher 1v1 percentage which is irrelevant since a lot of 1v1s are that kind of clutches when you know where the other guy is or you double peek a guy and he kills your teammate but you kill him, does that kind of clutch make him a better clutch player? No neither type of clutch makes any type of player more clutch because we dont have all the numbers and facts and neither one of us is going to go through 150+ clutch clips and write down how each clutch was done. Thats why this conversation cant go any farther. Theyre both amazing clutch players with almost identical numbers on two very different teams and play very different roles in their teams despite their clutching duties. With that said i think s1mples role is much more difficult but that is my opinion. Im gonna leave it there. Thanks for your time
2018-12-19 03:06
Im tired so I will get to the whole point of this "That just cant be backed up in any objective way besides the fact that xyp9x has a better team around him and therefore gets to more "high pressure games" eventhough Navi consistently get to playoffs and therefore they a ton of "high pressure matches" too." "No neither type of clutch makes any type of player more clutch because we dont have all the numbers and facts and neither one of us is going to go through 150+ clutch clips and write down how each clutch was done." This can actually be backed up easily. You have this kind of things in statistics. Xyp9x gets further in almost every tournament, yes, and he consistently makes multiple 1vx clutches even late in the game while s1mple doesnt do that consistently while being in the playoffs of almost every single event. s1mples clutches are especially mid-game or in an already decided game when the pressure is in, not later in the game when a map is close. Xyp9x clutches out final rounds, overtimes with ease. Oh and im not biased towards Xyp9x (unlike sb else is towards s1mple), I actually have a wide knowledge of CS:GO so I can say who is a better clutch player and s1mple is not even close to him but nobody is so its not just s1mple (oh and his positioning, reads and other blahs you wrote are nothing compared to those of Xyp9x and it costs s1mple clutches and NaVi rounds sometimes while Xyp9x gets the most out of it no matter a situation almost every single time) And read THIS - s1mples more than 1/4 clutches is against significantly worse teams that are nowhere near the top. Xyp9xs clutches consist of 1/7 against such an opposition. Those are facts that you can find. Can you open your eyes already?
2018-12-19 12:28
#366
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United States Jammin800k 
And again nothing you said shows any facts just bias because you "think" xyp clutches in more high pressure situations, when you actually find some stats for that and not just an eye test I'd happily analyze them. Thanks again.
2018-12-19 22:00
Go to clutches in players profile, you will see more clutches from Xyp9x un high pressure situations and high pressure matches. + you will see way more more clutches against top tier opposition while you will see a lot of clutches against the likes of Gambit, Ghost etc by s1mple. I know that for the whole time so the only one who places his bets on an eye test is you (:
2018-12-19 23:56
#368
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United States Jammin800k 
That's because he has more maps vs those teams due to being on a better team. S1mple still has more clutches/map vs those teams. You consistently present biased stats.
2018-12-20 00:20
Biased stats?:DDDD Xyp9x has over 65 clutches against top tier teams. s1mple has over 50 clutches against top teams. How is that biased when there is a solid proof?:) tell me
2018-12-20 00:55
what the fuck
2018-12-20 15:51
#373
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United States Jammin800k 
Because its not due xyp9x being a better clutcher its due to him having more maps vs those teams because hes on a better team. Thats why "clutches per map", which is the number of clutches divided by the number of maps played, is a less biased metric.
2018-12-20 03:28
Can you read? I told you, over 65 (out of 78 or whatever, Im not scrolling up to find out and i dont remember it anymore) of Xyp9xs clutches are against top teams. Over 50 clutches of s1mples 80 clutches are against top teams and if you want big events only then its over 65/76 of Xyps clutches are against top teams while s1mples clutches are over 50/75 against top teams. Xyp9x has 160 maps played, s1mple has 155 maps played. 85.5% of Xyps clutches are against top teams while s1mples percentage is at 66.6%. Xyp has 0.4 clutches against top teams per map at big events while s1mple has 0.322 clutches against top teams per map at big events. And dont go at me with “Astralis played more times against top teams”. Xyp9x played like 118 maps against top teams (yeah I looked it up and counted it all, it could be 2-3 more since I could have overlooked sth but it should be pretty much correct given that NaVi and Ast played almost same amount of bo1s against top teams) so he has 0.55 clutches per map against top teams at big events. s1mple has like 98 maps against top teams (same here) so that means that he has 0.51 clutches per map against top teams at big events. He would have 60 with 118 maps played and 65 (Xyps number) with 128, he would need have to have 10 maps more than Xyp. And I didnt even consider context of the clutches (higher pressure situations, how far they are in a tournament) which would completely seperate Xyp9x with ease. Is it still because Xyp gets to play more maps against top teams? Is s1mple still a better clutcher? Still want to ride s1mples dick?
2018-12-20 04:24
#380
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes it's still s1mple because s1mple has insane early round impact AND clutches rounds while xyp9x does not have to get entry kills, battle AWPers in duels early in the round while still having essentially the same albeit slightly less clutches vs top teams per map. Also you dont have to count the maps HLTV does that for you
2018-12-20 04:56
Holy fuck, you are so delusional. Because s1mple goes for entries hes a better clutcher:D *clap clap clap* ive never read bs such as this. Do you know that his entries are set up so his team gets him into a position and he hold an angle with the awp (most of the times) so he doesnt even get hurt a lot since hes got insane reactions and accuracy? Do you know that an awp battle almost always ends up like this? One guy is holding an angle, an enemy gets flashed in, the guy who was holding the angle falls back:D how does battling awpers affect being a better clutcher? Tell me I will gladly read and laugh at that nonsense shit:D Even his entries with rifles are done in an instant. Not saying that hes not getting his hp down tho but u r implying that Xyp9x basically has 100hp every clutch because he doesnt go for entries. How delusional can you get? Xyp9x goes in with his team, he gets trades orhis own kills while enemies inflict damage on him. Do you know that a player can shoot players while hitting a site? Not only when sb goes for an entry? God, you have absolutely 0 knowledge about anything CS related I know that hltv can count maps, I looked it up myself because I wanted to look up the form of other teams during that time
2018-12-20 12:33
#392
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United States Jammin800k 
He actually has more AK/m4 entries than AWP entries If you're denying that xyp9x doesnt take less duels early and therefore doesnt get tagged as much as s1mple then you're delusional. Yes a player can be shot while going into site but hes LESS LIKELY to be when hes never the one going for entries and often time on executes xyp9x just throws nades and watches the flank until the bombs down
2018-12-20 17:19
Ive stated that he goes for entries with rifles too and its all set up, pretty much 90% entries are setup to get kills or info at worst. Have i denied that Xyp9x takes more duels than s1mple? No, learn to read Do you know that s1mple is not NaVis entry while executing? Do you know that he goes 3rd and gets trades which is much more safe position? After that he plays postplant, he is not an entry of his team, he isnt the first one to go in. How delusional can you get?
2018-12-21 00:39
#403
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United States Jammin800k 
So s1mple goes for more entries gets more kills has a higher impact throughout the round and still has the same amount of clutches. That definitely makes him the better clutcher. Especially considering the levels of communication on the two teams.
2018-12-21 02:48
Are you retarded? When you are talking about a better clutcher, you have to consider CLUTCHES only, thats why its about best CLUTCHER, CLUTCH, do you know the meaning of it? What a fucking idiot, you just basically said why hes a better player, not clutcher, god. I already proved you wrong, I proved that Xyp9x clutches out more rounds more consistently against top teams, I proved that he clutches out more high pressure rounds more consistently and I proved that hes much better in every aspect of clutch but getting spicy kills which is the only thing s1mple is better at while clutching. Levels of communication :D you are so desperate :D so Xyp9x figuring out where the enemy is and what he does on his own (one of the aspects of clutches Xyp is better at) is due to a better communication :D they get the same amount of info and that is position of known enemies, if they got hit and if sb has an awp, you are hopeless :D You want to consider levels of communication and stuff that has nothing to do with clutching. Okay, lets consider stuff that has sth to do with clutching like clutching under higher pressure, clutching against more top tier teams, gamesense, mindgames, outplaying, positioning, patience and aim (even tho you dont need that if you can outplay your enemies like Xyp9x while s1mple needs that aim). Clutching under higher pressure, clutching against more top tier teams, gamesense, mindgames, outplaying, positioning and patience goes to Xyp9x. Aim goes to s1mple :D Yeah, surely he is better because of one aspect of clutches :D As I said already, Xyp9x with s1mples aim would go for 100 clutches with ease
2018-12-21 13:15
#421
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United States Jammin800k 
And s1mple with xyp9x game sense would have 100 clutches with ease what kind of demented logic is that "If the player I think is a better clutcher had all the best traits of the player you think is the better clutcher he would be the better clutcher" of course he fucking would. S1mple has more clutches vs top 20 teams this year. You lost this argument 20 comments ago when I proved s1mple has to do WAY more than xyp9x and still has more clutches vs top 20 at LAN in less maps. You do realize top 20 is essentially tier 2+ right. I'm officially done responding. Have fun seeing s1mple at #1.
2018-12-21 21:57
Its much more likely that Xyp9x can get to s1mples aim level than s1mple getting to Xyp9xs gamesense level since thats not sth you can learn so your logic is demented, sry. And btw, its not only gamesense but loads of different game aspects. I didnt lose anything. You actually got destroyed af, keep being delusional. Stuff you do early/mid/late round other than clutches are irrelevant things when it comes down to clutching. Clutching has nothin to do with entry fragging or killing sb mid round, clutches take place at one moment and nothing else matters. :DDDDDDDDDDDD You actually think that having more clutches against top20 where are shit teams and players compared to top10 means that he is a better clutcher?:DDDDDDDDDDDD Laugh of the year! So Xyp9x who has way more clutches against top10, higher clutches per map against top10 is actually worse clutcher:DDDDDDD I didnt have such a laugh in really long time man, thanks! The only things you babble about are either irrelevant things to clutches or statistics which prove that s1mple has more clutches against worse teams while Xyp9x has more clutches against great teams + better per :D "Have fun seeing s1mple at #1" What a retarded statement, I know that hes the best player in the world and that hes going to be number one, brainless idiot :D He is just not a better clutcher, deal with it, clueless kid. You should stop arguing with people who have wide knowledge about the game unlike you (: Go suck s1mples dick and come back when you know sth about the game and especially clutches since you know nothing and your last paragraph proves both your cluelessness and undisputed defeat
2018-12-21 22:25
#432
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United States Jammin800k 
No it isnt Yes you did Yes I do That's because hes on a better team Yes he is. Okay. Yes he is Your ego is huge
2018-12-22 04:53
“Thats because hes on a better team” How many times will you use it? I already proved that it is incorrect with facts and statistics LOL. Your brain is nowhere to be found (:
2018-12-22 09:36
#434
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United States Jammin800k 
No you havent
2018-12-22 09:38
“Can you read? I told you, over 65 (out of 78 or whatever, Im not scrolling up to find out and i dont remember it anymore) of Xyp9xs clutches are against top teams. Over 50 clutches of s1mples 80 clutches are against top teams and if you want big events only then its over 65/76 of Xyps clutches are against top teams while s1mples clutches are over 50/75 against top teams. Xyp9x has 160 maps played, s1mple has 155 maps played. 85.5% of Xyps clutches are against top teams while s1mples percentage is at 66.6%. Xyp has 0.4 clutches against top teams per map at big events while s1mple has 0.322 clutches against top teams per map at big events. And dont go at me with “Astralis played more times against top teams”. Xyp9x played like 118 maps against top teams (yeah I looked it up and counted it all, it could be 2-3 more since I could have overlooked sth but it should be pretty much correct given that NaVi and Ast played almost same amount of bo1s against top teams) so he has 0.55 clutches per map against top teams at big events. s1mple has like 98 maps against top teams (same here) so that means that he has 0.51 clutches per map against top teams at big events. He would have 60 with 118 maps played and 65 (Xyps number) with 128, he would need have to have 10 maps more than Xyp.” Oh yes I have
2018-12-22 09:40
#436
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United States Jammin800k 
No that says nothin about the difference in navi and astralis
2018-12-22 09:42
:DDDDDDD You need help, your mental illness reached an advanced point. Those are statistics (about which youve been babbling the whole time) that are undeniable so nt retard :D and the difference between NaVi and Astralis is that s1mple gets in more clutch scenarios both against top tier temas and lower tier teams on a map basis. Keep being delusional fanboy
2018-12-22 09:49
#456
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United States Jammin800k 
No he doesnt and you've yet to prove that
2018-12-22 18:19
Its proven already, try to buy a new brain, walnut size should do
2018-12-22 18:21
#458
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United States Jammin800k 
Oh so you went backed and look at every match at LAN vs top 10 teams for both players and counted the amount of 1vx situations they were in?
2018-12-22 18:34
Ive already told you, s1mple was in much more clutch situations than Xyp9x and even creature with 2 brain cells, such as you, should be able to know that logically. Btw, im not the one who should prove anything since I legitimately backed up everything that gives Xyp9x the edge and you did nothing the whole time.
2018-12-22 19:04
#460
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United States Jammin800k 
You back everything up? Your argument for that last point was "iTs TRUE iF yOu hAvE BrAIn CelLs" Nt
2018-12-22 19:08
I wrote several times already that s1mple is being left in 1vx scenarios much more often than Xyp9x since NaVi have much worse players and when they get the bomb down, its again pretty much all on s1mple and electronic while Astralis' posplant is about every single player and they tend to hold much more postplants. So s1mple has more 1vx scenarios and its not even close. But thats sth I wrote already so yes, I back everything up, unlike you who just babbles nonsense
2018-12-22 19:20
#463
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah I read that It's pure speculation
2018-12-22 19:25
Firstly, you are retarded. Secondly, you proved only that he has more clutches if you include only teams like ghost, avangar, gambit and other shit teams. Care to back up why hes better or will you finally realize that you got fucked up?
2018-12-22 19:30
#468
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United States Jammin800k 
You've yet to prove which player has been in more clutches. I say xyp9x has and that's why hes won more clutches, you say s1mple has and that's why hes a worse clutcher. Neither of us have the full info you just REALLY think your opinion is right when were both completely speculating on the number of clutches theyve been in. Let me repeat this for you one more time. This conversation cannot go any farther because we do not have full information about number of clutches and clutch scenarios they were put into.
2018-12-22 20:23
There is one thing and that is logic, Astralis thats bern slaughtering everyone 16:-16:8 for several month us less likely to leave Xyp9x in clutches while NaVi with bots leave s1mple in clutches every map x times and thats a fact
2018-12-22 22:54
#97
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United States Jammin800k 
Read #36. I touched on the topic
2018-12-14 03:03
krimz 9 ? i dont think so
2018-12-14 00:31
#18
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United States Jammin800k 
8th at big events vs top 20 7th at big events overall Top 3 KPR Top 3 ADR Top 5 impact hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. Hes definitely up there
2018-12-14 00:35
#126
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Surely those facts would make him 5-7th best player?
2018-12-15 10:15
#138
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United States Jammin800k 
If stats were the ONLY thing that mattered yes but when you factor EVPs and MVPs in as well as placements, which he severely lacks in compared to the rest of the top 10, he falls a bit. Also when you filter by top 20/30 krimz does fall out of the top 5 in some of these metrics such as KPR and ADR I think he ends up around 8th.
2018-12-15 10:34
imo cold and valde higher but good list
2018-12-14 00:31
#20
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United States Jammin800k 
Cold higher how? Top 10 is a stretch I could make arguments for xyp and twitszz higher than him. He also has pretty weak placings which will hinder him.
2018-12-14 00:35
s1mple 1? hahahahahha XD
2018-12-14 00:34
Sh... let the kids dream.
2018-12-15 10:19
1. coldzera 10. oskar 5. Fallen
2018-12-14 00:37
#265
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Denmark Twick_ 
Dupreeh number 0 :)))))))))))))
2018-12-16 15:01
#303
chrisJ | 
Finland Motori 
No that is godJ
2018-12-17 10:54
#305
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Denmark Twick_ 
He cans be number 0,5 :)))))))
2018-12-17 10:56
#307
chrisJ | 
Finland Motori 
Okay dupreeh can be 0 but godJ will be -1
2018-12-17 10:59
#309
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Denmark Twick_ 
Yes:)))))))))
2018-12-17 11:05
#24
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United States Venom_ 
Twistzz ranked lower then cold lol nt
2018-12-14 00:37
#29
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United States Jammin800k 
They had the same amount of EVPs/MVPs 4. Twistzz has lower rating, lower impact rating, lower ADR, lower KAST. Like I said it was super close though because twitszz had better placements
2018-12-14 00:49
#304
chrisJ | 
Finland Motori 
+1 you can actualy tell your reason for your prediction unlike most hltv users
2018-12-17 10:56
#313
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United States Jammin800k 
Thanks
2018-12-17 11:27
Stopped reading at 1.
2018-12-14 00:52
#59
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United States Jammin800k 
Flair checks out I guess. Try being objective and you'll see that it's a good list
2018-12-14 01:24
"try being objective" You know there's absolutely no way Device is not #1 this year, right? Numbers and achievement-wise he is ahead of everyone else by far. How can someone who got half of the mvps in big events the whole year not get the #1 spot?
2018-12-15 10:22
#140
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United States Jammin800k 
#73
2018-12-15 10:39
omegalul
2018-12-15 11:19
I would say gla1ve Nr. 1 but if you only look at stats that is probably not going to happen
2018-12-14 00:59
#38
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
lol
2018-12-14 01:05
That igl role is underrated imo
2018-12-14 01:07
#47
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United States Jammin800k 
It's not underrated, that's just not what the list is about. Plus zonic has a ton of input on Astralis play and immensely helps gla1ve so it's really difficult to accurately give points for being an IGL. Sometimes you make a horrible call and xyp wins a 1v3 or Dupreeh gets a double entry or device gets a quad kill on the retake Sometimes you make great calls the entire half and lose 2 5v3s and a 3v1 and a 2v1.
2018-12-14 01:12
That's right, but still being able to always make the calls and at the same time be a consistent fragger is more impressive than being a always saving, going for exit frags, one man army (s1mple)
2018-12-14 01:27
#64
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United States Jammin800k 
Lol he doesnt always save. Statistically he dies slightly more than xyp9x even though they are 2 of the most surviving players in the game. Also did you just say s1mple wasnt a consistent fragger when he literally has the most kills, KPR, ADR, openin kills, KAST, Impact, and 2nd most clutches in the game? I dont know how you can be more consistent than the most consistent in the history of CSGO. Obviously hes going to get more exit kills. Hes the AWPer on a weaker team than gla1ve, not only does he lose rounds more often and therefore is forced to save but he also has a weaker team around him so if he doesn't save his AWP it has much more severe repercussions. Like I said you cant give a player points for "making the right calls" I could just as easily say that s1mple has the best comms on Navi and sometimes mid round calls and you would have no idea if it's true or not. And if it is true does it bump s1mple even higher? How much higher? Hard to say right? Thats why the list is an individual comparison Gla1ve got his reward as the IGL, he took very talented players and made them into an even more legendary squad. He got 9 trophies and became one of the richest CSGO players ever, now it's time, with this ranking, to recognize the talented players around him and around the scene and he still will be one of those players just not a top 5 one.
2018-12-14 01:43
where in my comment did i say simple is not a consistent fragger? ofcourse he is, saying anything else would be stupid. All i am saying is that i the ability to make calls, have all the strategies in your head, always keep an eye on the minimap, and make desicions based on the information you get from your teammates, and still be a good fragger is more impressive imo..
2018-12-14 13:40
#110
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United States Jammin800k 
So s1mple doesnt make calls? Know strategies? Check the minimap? Make decisions based on info? Seems pretty biased towards gla1ve, yes I understand the difference in these things between an IGL and a fragger but s1mple still has to do these things. And just because "in your opinion its more impressive" that doesn't make it objective or factual in fact it's exactly the opposite, you're giving arbitrary points to gla1ve for communication and tactics but not considering that s1mple also has to be good with these things to be on a top 3 team in the world.
2018-12-14 21:30
As i said in my second comment, the igl role is underrated, and your comment shows exactly that.
2018-12-14 22:30
#119
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United States Jammin800k 
No my comment doesnt show that, your comment shows you dont understand how the ranking is done. I already said in previous comments in this thread that if "impact outside the server" was considered then gla1ve would be top 3 and pronax would have multiple top 20s. Let me restate again that the ranking is primarily individual not team based and achievements, success, and accolades are also used to differentiate players.
2018-12-15 09:47
It is underrated, and for the hltv list it's actually irrelevant, so Glaive can even be out of the top20 list this year even though he deserves to be there.
2018-12-15 10:24
#423
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
Nah his rating alone will get him top 20 at least
2018-12-21 22:46
I hope so, I’m just saying that if I was to bet, I’d say he won’t be there. No mvp, few evp, rating is ok but there are better ones...
2018-12-22 01:00
#429
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
But not 20 better ones
2018-12-22 01:00
Hm... you're right, I just can't see any list of mvp and evp to compare the top players properly, but the lack of players getting evps and mvps may put him in top 20.
2018-12-22 01:11
No, its overrated af in the community.
2018-12-16 15:29
No, its not
2018-12-20 22:27
You cannot put an IGL x places higher just becausei ts an IGL, you dont know all of his impact and input as an IGL + rankings are individual and not based on roles. That is a problem since we can only discuss this topic forever and we will most likely never be correct about IGLs impact or impact of other roles. But one thing is sure, IGL role + individual performance are overrated since people tend to hype those IGLs because they frag well while leading their team. Its really hard topic to debate
2018-12-21 00:28
#35
BnTeT | 
Indonesia BabyREKT 
1-5 ENCE player Idc the rest of the list
2018-12-14 01:01
#45
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Denmark oskarsports 
12 btw hahaa
2018-12-14 01:10
#53
BnTeT | 
Indonesia BabyREKT 
Nah, I just born yesterday
2018-12-14 01:19
#135
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France Leskines 
Happy birthday+1 bro
2018-12-15 10:28
krimz? lol
2018-12-14 01:05
#39
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
its funny when ‘cs fans’ forget that the first half of the year happened
2018-12-14 01:06
#43
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah and then on top of that IEM Chicago didn't even jog their memory
2018-12-14 01:08
#42
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Asia BurjAlArab 
Man, everything is fine but device being 2nd, he will be 1st. u can bet 1000€ :)
2018-12-14 01:08
#44
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United States Jammin800k 
I'll take that bet right now? Even odds on s1mple vs device for #1 when s1mple has had the best statistical year of any player in the history of CSCO.
2018-12-14 01:09
#52
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Asia BurjAlArab 
In the other hand u have device who almost won everything he plays into with a lot of mvp also
2018-12-14 01:17
#57
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United States Jammin800k 
No he AND HIS TEAM won almost everything.
2018-12-14 01:23
#60
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Asia BurjAlArab 
With being MVP almost every tournament, no point arguing with u. U will see that device will be the best of 2018 as he well deserve. /closed
2018-12-14 01:26
#63
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United States Jammin800k 
"Almost every tournament" Only has 1 more MVP than s1mple Stats arent even close to s1mples S1mple has multiple MVPs at tournaments he didn't win which has never been done before, has the highest Big Event rating ever, and has a +1000 K/D at LAN and leads in like 10 statistical categories. If MVPs are all that matter than MSL=Naf right?
2018-12-14 01:30
#67
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Spain elskio 
2018-12-14 01:48
#68
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United States Jammin800k 
I said "at multiple tournaments he didnt win" where is flamies 2nd MVP at a tournament he didnt win?
2018-12-14 01:49
#69
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Spain elskio 
wtf Na logic, then device got 7MVPs that nobody did it before. device top1 /close
2018-12-14 01:52
#73
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United States Jammin800k 
Right that IS something device has that s1mple doesnt so it's a slight advantage for him in terms of raw numbers. But if you take the time to compare the stats neccessary to achieve their MVPs by each player s1mple had WAY better showings. Device got an MVP at a tournament with a 1.19 rating. S1mples lowest tournament rating at an event this year was 1.19 There isnt a single statistical category where devices leads s1mple besides "Total AWP Kills" which is clearly due to s1mple not using the AWP as much as device although he is still 4th in this metric. Device didnt get those MVPs by being the best player individually this year though, at least not all of them. Many were seen as controversial or extremely close while almost all of s1mples were unanimous. Device got those MVPs by being star player of the best and most tactical team. Tactics make up for lesser individual skill. That's why BiG is top 10 and optic is struggling. Device obviously also is going to have more chances at the MVP if hes on the best team. The fact that he has 6 more tournament wins than s1mple and only 1 more MVP is pretty telling of how dominant s1mple has been.
2018-12-14 02:01
#137
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France Leskines 
You are talking whit a device fanboy bro, give up and let him on his stupidity
2018-12-15 10:31
#144
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United States Jammin800k 
He already gave up lol, theres no coming back from that.
2018-12-15 10:44
and I will raise the bet to 1M
2018-12-15 11:21
#46
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Brazil restzin 
i dont think so...
2018-12-14 01:11
#51
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United States Jammin800k 
Care to elaborate?
2018-12-14 01:17
I don't think Ethan would be on this list over a major mvp so tarik would take Ethan's spot and I think tabsen didn't attend enough events and that twistzz krimz and cold need to swap places but other then that it's a pretty good list
2018-12-14 01:16
#54
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United States Jammin800k 
Tarik won a major MVP in January and didnt earn a single accolade since then. His stats are also miserable compared to ethans. Tabsen numbers are actually insane. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. So vs other top teams he plays an average of 6 maps a month on LAN. So on average he plays the entire map pool -1 ban every month, that's more than relevant of a sample size for a player towards the bottom of the rankings and seeing how he is the primary reason individually that big are a top 10 team he definitely deserves it. Who would you put in his spot?
2018-12-14 01:22
Trust me tarik will be 19-20 and I'd probably put flusha in his spot or rain
2018-12-14 01:43
#66
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm not going to "trust" an opinion that has no objective backing to it. Tarik had a terrible year in terms of top 20 giving him or flusha a spot for getting 1 MVP and doing nothing the entire rest of the year is very unlikely and would be disrespectful to a lot of other players. 1.03 rating players will not be on the list
2018-12-14 01:47
I guess you don't understand how much a major mvp is worth dude he also placed second at 2 events with mint and 1 with c9 and had a bunch of semis and won zotac cup
2018-12-14 01:51
#75
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United States Jammin800k 
No you're just immensely overrating the importance of the major MVP. If a regular big event MVP counts for 3 and an EVP counts for 1 then I'd say a major MVP counts for 4 and EVP counts for 2. Meanwhile you're acting like it counts for 4 events which is what it would have to to put him in top 20 Did he have good stats or showings at any of those top 4s since the major? I'll answer that for you no. Hes made 4 top 4s since the major. He had .98, 1.02, .89, and 1.06 ratings. That averages out to a rating of .99. Theres literally no justification for him to be in top 20
2018-12-14 02:11
Your gay lol go kiss your mom gay boi 😘
2018-12-14 02:39
#91
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United States Jammin800k 
You're*
2018-12-14 02:54
No u
2018-12-14 03:02
#147
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Czech Republic PaYaB 
Whoah, kid has been out-argued, what a shame for you...
2018-12-15 10:48
No point to argue just wait for top 20
2018-12-15 17:24
#203
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United States Jammin800k 
Lol you clearly wanted to argue or you wouldnt have posted a criticism of the list. Then you get out argued and say "eh let's wait and see" what a pathetic cop out. Bye.
2018-12-15 22:36
Why you still arguing just admit you lost
2018-12-15 23:21
#205
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United States Jammin800k 
0/8
2018-12-15 23:50
Tabsen has almost 70 maps on LAN, not enough
2018-12-14 02:04
#77
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United States Jammin800k 
So vs other top teams he plays an average of 6 maps a month on LAN. So on average he plays the entire map pool -1 ban every month, that's more than relevant of a sample size for a player towards the bottom of the rankings and seeing how he is the primary reason individually that big are a top 10 team he definitely deserves it. Who would you put in his spot? I think we can make a slight exception for a player that is top 5 statistically if you dont feel its enough
2018-12-14 02:15
#79
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United States Jammin800k 
Oskar placed 16th last year with a lower rating and 70 maps as well on LAN
2018-12-14 02:17
but he won mvps and tournaments
2018-12-14 02:18
#83
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United States Jammin800k 
He won 1 tournament he had 1 MVP. Stop with the pluaral Tabsen has better placings at Big events so your "winning" argument is invalid and also has more top 4s and EVPs
2018-12-14 02:24
pretty good list
2018-12-14 01:17
#55
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United States Jammin800k 
Thanks
2018-12-14 01:22
#72
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World smash143 
Good list but I reckon rain will be around 17-20, he's dropped off a cliff in the 2nd half of the year but he was putting big numbers in the first half. Tabsen/woxic haven't attended enough big events. 19-20 will be a fight between Valde, Ethan, Brehze, cerq, autimatic, flamie. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01..
2018-12-14 02:06
#87
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United States Jammin800k 
Looking only at big events is naive in the first place, it discludes a lot of games and is somewhat arbitrary. For example Blast is considered a big event and doesnt even have a playoff stage. Overall LAN ratings vs top (20) is much more inclusive and looks at the players entire year at LAN vs top teams. Moving on rain has simply dropped off too much to be on the list imo. I had him on previous iterations of the lost but removed him in favor of Ethan. He hasn't had a memorable LAN since cologne and is one of the main reasons for Fazes drop off while the beginning of the year success was heavily on the back of guardian and Niko. Meanwhile Ethan is the best player on NRG and has put up better numbers in relevant matches. The only reason rain would be on the list is map count, individually he was not a top 20 player this year in terms of performance and success. I wouldnt be surprised to see him on the list but it would be at 19-20 100% Woxic I dont expect to see. I think valde will get the slot but woxic is worth a mention as his stats and impact are just insane but yeah it might be too few maps. Tabsen on the other hand definitely has enough maps to sneak into the list with how insane his numbers are. Oskar had 70 maps at LAN last year and was rank 16 with a lower rating. Tabsen is literally top 5 vs top 20 teams on LAN, clearly one of the primary reasons for Bigs success and super consistent. I dont reslly see brehze or cerq making it. Ethan was clearly superior to them this year as was Valde and autimatic has the same problem as Tarik does as hes literally done nothing since the major. No top 4s no EVPs, doesnt belong on the list. And flamie has just been too inconsistent to make the list. Not even event to event, hell frag one map and go missing the next hltv.org/stats/players/events/7594/flami.. Simply doesnt have the numbers to make the list
2018-12-14 02:52
#99
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World smash143 
The Big Event list might be a bit arbitrary but it's a fact that HLTV values these stats the most when building their list. MVP/EVPs are also a big criteria, snax, adren and olof were super inconsistent last year but made the list because they really stood out in a few events. static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-fu.. static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-me.. Flamie has 4 EVP (2 majors) and Rain has 3 EVPs, so I reckon they're a real shot. But we'll just need to wait and see.
2018-12-14 03:14
#103
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United States Jammin800k 
They value those stats highly but that's not to say they dont also look at all of stats and it's pretty hard to ignore a player being top 5 at LAN vs tier 2+ teams. Fair point about flamies MVPs and 2 of them being at the major though. I just feel like his inconsistentcy and apparent drop off will knock him off the list. His 1.06 Big Event rating is pretty low for a top 20 as well. Not to mention he has 5 negative Big events. For comparison Ethan has 1, tabsen has 0, and valde has 3.
2018-12-14 03:48
#76
kNgV- | 
Brazil miraco 
A i think device #1 no?
2018-12-14 02:13
#78
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Netherlands Njit 
gla1ve top 3
2018-12-14 02:17
I think this is the best top 20 ive seen so far, 1-10 is pretty much perfect and 11-20 is good but there could be some spot swapping but everyone there should be top 20
2018-12-14 02:18
#90
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United States Jammin800k 
Thanks. Yeah some of the placings are super tough and it just depends what metric you weigh more
2018-12-14 02:53
krimz isnt top 15, since he dropped so hard the 2nd half of the year
2018-12-14 02:20
#88
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United States Jammin800k 
#18
2018-12-14 02:50
#85
s1mple | 
United States Zadenn 
No ZywOo -rep
2018-12-14 02:40
#86
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Brazil holepower 
top 5: 1- Device 2- Dupreeh 3- Magisk 4- Gla1ve 5- Xyp9x
2018-12-14 02:48
#89
s1mple | 
United States 1wjl1 
Actually one of the better lists I've seen on here.
2018-12-14 02:51
-s1mple +rain
2018-12-14 02:57
We all know that Dev1ce is going to be n°1 even though S1mple is better
2018-12-14 03:22
strange list, at one point you favor achievements over individual skill (dupreeh > electronic, magisk > naf, gla1ve top8), and then suddenly you have krimz at 9 above twistzz. krimz has slightly better stats but he also did literally nothing the entire year except one international event in march. so you can't have gla1ve at 8 with worse individual stats and impact above krimz but then have twistzz below krimz despite the far better achievements, doesn't make sense. also according to your top8 device should be no. 1 cause they favor achievements If it's a ranking that favors skill (as it should) say a 70 / 30 split, it's more like: 1. S1mple 2. Device 3. NiKo 4. Electronic 5. NAF 6. Dupreeh 7. Magisk 8. Twistzz 9. coldzera 10. gla1ve
2018-12-14 03:52
#111
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United States Jammin800k 
Twistzz doesnt have better stats that gla1ve. Lower rating lower ADR lower impact he also doesn't have better stats than cold. It's a combination of individual performance, MVPs/EVPs, and placements. Gla1ve has better stats and better placements than twistzz so hes above. Cold has much better stats but worse placements so hes above but they could switch places pretty much tied. Colds stats arent far enough above gla1ves to outweigh the EVPs and placements NAF Dupeeh and Magisk have VERY similar stats. NAF has a higher ADR while the other 2 have better opening kill stats, KAST, and are nearly identical in KPR. Dupreeh has an MVP and more EVPs than magisk. NAF has an MVP and more evps than magisk but the same amount as dupreeh and his MVP was at a less prestigious tournament. And electronic wont be above Dupreeh again because of dupreehs MVP, electronic does not have one and also has less EVPs. He will still be above NAF though because NAFs achievements arent enough to make up for the statistical differences (electronic has the highest overall stats out of these 4) because they didnt win any t1 events.
2018-12-14 21:38
You gotta be looking at different stats than I am: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7412/gla1.. You could say their stats are fairly close, but gla1ve is only the 4th best on his team and almost never is 1st in any event, which puts him further behind twistzz individually.
2018-12-14 21:38
#113
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United States Jammin800k 
So I was right about everything besides impact? But you need to consider that gla1ve implemented a system that is more advanced than anything weve seen before and has MUCH better achievements than twitszz and cold. 9 tournament wins to 1 and also has more EVPs due to that. Edited my previous comment btw
2018-12-14 21:42
#105
gody | 
Sweden Sanfan97 
S1mple is easily the best player but he won't get nr1 since Astralis won so much compared to Navi...it's sad tho
2018-12-14 11:49
Device will be 1.
2018-12-14 14:17
1 Oskar 2 some young star.. maybe Neo
2018-12-14 14:20
do you think this lineup would work? Coldzera(entry rifler) twistzz(rifler/lurk) s1mple(rifler/awp) niko(rifle0/awp) w0xic(main awp)
2018-12-14 21:43
#115
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United States Jammin800k 
Eh no real IGL but I guess Niko made be able to use a puggy style with his much talent but You have no supportive elements, coldzera at entry which he would never do and 5 players that all like to AWP when they feel like it. Dont feel like it could be top 3 in the world it would probably just do the same as current faze because you're trading even more role players and teamplay which they already lack for more individual skill
2018-12-14 21:47
yikes :(
2018-12-14 21:48
#122
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United States Jammin800k 
Cold - lurk/IGL Twistzz - entry Niko - 2nd entry/2nd awp/2nd IGL Krimz in place of woxic - anchor/support S1mple - AWP/star I fix
2018-12-15 09:56
1. S1mple 2. gla1ve 3. device 4. dupreeh 5. electronic 6. NiKo 7. KRIMZ 8. Twistzz 9. EliGE 10. Xyp9x 11. Magisk 12. coldzera 13. suNny 14. NAF 15. oskar 16. Guardian 17. valde 18. Fallen 19. tarik 20. nahtE/tabseN/woxic/(k0nfig) mine is kinda close to yours
2018-12-14 21:59
#121
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United States Jammin800k 
No it isnt. I strongly disagree with how low NAF is, how high gla1ve is, elige being in the top 10, magisk not being in the top 10 (arguably top 5), Niko not being top 3 is also a joke, and tarik and fallen dont belong on the list. Your list is very different from mine and I struggle to understand how you determined a lot of these placings as many of them seem very random or uninformed.
2018-12-15 09:53
i agree with your list but in number 20 i think it's gonna be tarik (major mvp almost guaranteed top 20)
2018-12-15 10:38
#141
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United States Jammin800k 
1.03 big event rating on a top 20 list? 0 other relevant placings besides the faceit major where he didnt play well and had an easy route? 0 other EVPs or MVPs. Very low chance he makes it considering how many other very deserving candidates exist
2018-12-15 10:42
yes, just because he was the major mvp. I'm not a tarik fanboy btw
2018-12-15 10:41
#143
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah that's a stupid reason. Hes not a top 20 player individually, hasnt had top 20 stats or accolades, wont be on the list.
2018-12-15 10:43
Yes, i know. But that's how hltv tops work.
2018-12-15 10:45
#146
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United States Jammin800k 
Really? Show me the other 1.03 big event rating major MVP who had no other EVPs or MVPs that year that made HLTV top 20. I'll wait.
2018-12-15 10:46
hltv.org/stats/players/2553/Snax?startDa.. snax top 20 2017 1.06 rating
2018-12-15 10:49
#156
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United States Jammin800k 
TIL 1.03=1.06 Snax had 3 EVPs and 1 MVP Tarik has 0 EVPs and 1 MVP Try again? Or give up?
2018-12-15 11:03
Tarik's mvp was more important than snax's mvp and evps. Tarik will be in top 20 for sure 100%
2018-12-15 12:27
#185
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United States Jammin800k 
Delusional
2018-12-15 12:34
#424
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
At the beginning of 2017 snax was considered the best player in the world1
2018-12-21 22:58
Well NAF was inconsistent, and a wasted talent at the beginning of the year. Seems to me a lot of people forget about the early days of 2018. That's why I put krimz so high, for nearly 3 months he was the 2nd best player in the world after s1mple, he was insanely consistent and won 2 titles with fnatic. And Tarik, albeit being quiet most of the year, he still won a major. MVP as an IGL, that's pretty impressive I think. Gla1ve? FFS I think it's time that he gets more credit : Astralis is a collectively great team, no one has to carry and he's at the center of that success. To me he's the most valuable player on that team. I like to watch him play as the round evolves, and am way more impressed by his calls/reading of the situation than by any device multi-kill/Xyp9x clutch. Ranks from 8 to 11 are indeed interchangeable, especially seeing how well Astralis is still doing at this moment, so yes Xyp and magisk could be higher than the NA guys. Where was Magisk in January? February? Whole year is taken into consideration. Astralis's success started in april. I don't see how NiKo being behind Dupreeh (a Beast with a very successful year) and Electronic (also a beast, consistent most of the year) is a "joke". Fallen, I don't know to be fair, he wasn't on my list until a few weeks, but Mibr are still high in the rankings so I still would put him in the top.
2018-12-16 19:31
#281
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United States Jammin800k 
NAF was inconsistent? You're dead wrong on that one hltv.org/stats/players/events/8520/NAF?s.. 1 negative event 12 events with a 1.1+ rating 8 evps and an MVP, he was by far the most consistent player on Liquid. Not sure how he was "wasted" Yes and for nearly 9 months Magisk was a top 5 player. They have very similar stats but Magisk has a bunch more EVPs, an MVP and obviously better placements, magisk will 100% be above krimz. He will be above twitszz xyp9x and elige for the same reasons Tarik was literally quiet the ENTIRE year besides the major. He had 0 EVPs and 1.03 big event rating (this would be the lowest rating ever to appear on the list) and 0 EVPs (also a first since they started doing EVPs) I already said in previous comments in this thread that if "impact outside the server" was considered then gla1ve would be top 3 and pronax would have multiple top 20s. Let me restate again that the ranking is primarily individual not team based and achievements, success, and accolades are also used to differentiate players. Niko comparison to electronic hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8918/elec.. Niko has multiple MVPs, electronic has 0. Its really not close, Niko is also the best player on his team and main reason for his teams success while Electronic is not Niko comparison to dupreeh hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3741/NiKo.. Same story, Nikos numbers are just far and above anyone whose name isnt s1mple. Also has more MVPs than dupreeh. As if Niko isnt an absolute beast himself Fallen also has a 1.03 big event rating and only 1 EVP pretty sure. He definitely wont make the list.
2018-12-16 23:07
Where is my boy forsaken i expect top 5 atleast
2018-12-15 09:50
#124
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United States Jammin800k 
Might do Same top 4 5. Magisk 6. NAF 7. electronic Because in comparing their numbers a final time NAF has a higher ADR, KAST, with nearly identical impact ratings and opening kill stats. NAF also has more clutches and more EVPs and an MVP. Also I think the general consensus is that Liquid had a better year than Navi despite not having any t1 tournament wins. NAF could even jump to top 5 because he has more EVPs than magisk and better stats as well but I think Astralis overwhelming dominance will overshadow those stats.
2018-12-15 10:09
#127
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Finland Emvi 
Good list, but tabsen and woxic/valde wont be there. Will be rain and flamie instead. Ethan is close but might be fallen or autimatic instead of him
2018-12-15 10:18
#289
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United States Jammin800k 
Only if you heavily weight achievements and specifically majors
2018-12-17 01:01
#298
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Finland Emvi 
emphasis on big lan events, they have so many less maps played there unfortunately
2018-12-17 10:30
#300
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United States Jammin800k 
But better overall performances and are also the primary reasons for their teams success. It's close, rain could definitely take the last spot if they focus on the map count but tabsen overall performed better when it mattered more often than rain did. Wouldnt really care if rain took #20 over valde but again it's due to map count and being on a better team not due to being a better player this year. Flamie wont make it again unless you weight majors heavily. His only selling point is that 2 of his EVPs are majors.
2018-12-17 10:40
#128
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Poland sitarskee 
why people put device so high lmao, i don't honestly get it imo, just because he wins events because of his team doesn't make him such a good player indvidually he's top12 for sure but players like NiKo, Twistzz should be above him
2018-12-15 10:19
#134
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Indonesia linekerrr 
Because these rankings don't and shouldn't base it on skill, but rather on performance. Every single player on this planet won't perform well if they don't have adequate support. S1mple, NiKo, Twistzz, and others aren't exceptions to that
2018-12-15 10:27
#425
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
I think u named 2 exceptions to that xD
2018-12-21 23:04
#152
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United States Jammin800k 
Hm let's do a comparison of Device and Twistzz then shall we? hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7592/devi.. Device leads in every relevant metric besides KAST as well as ADR. Has more MVPs/EVPs, won more tournaments, why on earth would Twistzz ever be above him? Same with Niko tbh although it's closer (still not that close tho) because Niko at least has the stats to have an argument.
2018-12-15 10:55
Why KRIMZ in top 9? What win fnatic this year?
2018-12-15 10:22
#149
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United States Jammin800k 
#18. I mean I guess you could say "why NAF in top 9? What liquid win this year" Fnatic and liquid won the same amount of tournaments. Fnatic won IEM Katowice and are one of only 6 teams to win a big event this year
2018-12-15 10:51
Oh ok, sorry men I don't know that events win fnatic So this top is not bad
2018-12-15 10:57
#150
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New Zealand Eauor 
Another joke list, you all got baited.
2018-12-15 10:50
#151
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Czech Republic PaYaB 
I think this list is the best one, that I have seen so far, well done.
2018-12-15 10:54
#153
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United States Jammin800k 
Thanks
2018-12-15 10:56
1.simple 17.Tabsen 19.ethan 20.valde/woxic
2018-12-15 10:58
#157
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United States Jammin800k 
These ratings can and I think have been validly backed up in this thread if you take the time to read you might learn something. Or are you one of those people who has tarik in top 20?
2018-12-15 11:00
Tarik? Ughh no thanks
2018-12-15 11:10
#162
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United States Jammin800k 
Well at least you're smart enough to know that. Care to actually poke holes at any of the rankings you questioned or are you just going to deem them wrong?
2018-12-15 11:16
Well the list in generally isnt actually bad i just dont agree with the four that i mentioned. simple should and will be 2nd i dont think tabsen deserves to be in the top 20 at all ethan should be a little bit higher and i honestly dont expect valde or woxic to be in top 20 maybe cerq to be 20th? Well its just my idea but i feel like device will steal the n1 spot from simple
2018-12-15 11:23
#170
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United States Jammin800k 
Case for tabsen hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. Multiple EVPs, best player on his team. Oskar was 16th with a worse rating last year and 70 maps on LAN as well. Valde vs Cerq hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9031/vald.. Comparing at LAN because their Big Events have smaller sample sizes and they are on tier 2 teams so all LANs help establish ranking for them, unlike Astralis attending a dreamhack open, that proves nothing. How ever I will give a nod to cerq that at big events he is slightly better. That said Valde is by farrrrRRR the best player on his team and is incredibly consistent where cerq has his ups and downs and as an AWPer that's dangerous especially seeing as how their secondary AWPer is daps. Ethan has clearly had a better year than cerq and brehze has a case as him and cerqs stats and achievements (obviously) are pretty much identical. And both have MVPs brehze's at summit. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11219/CeR.. Valde got his MVP at Dreamhack Valencia and has the highest peak of any of the aformentioned players at 1.45 with that tournament. I could put Ethan above ropz but the map difference at Big Events is so huge it's hard to and ropz has better placements than Ethan. I've argued s1mple vs device to death. I havent seen one valid reason device should be #1 over s1mple because in the end s1mple has has the best year individually of any player and on his own is the most impactful player in the game, so do you have one?
2018-12-15 12:07
First of all thank you for your time.i am aware of the fact that simple was a huge individual in 2018 and made a super fast start aswell but talking of individuals i couldnt even count device’s mvp’s .And also i realized that you can’t put anyone proper if you will remove tabsen so i also agree that he should be in the top 20.yes you are right cerq is sometimes incostistent but overall as i observed i feel that he should be the n20 instead of valde or woxic.woxic was also consistent the whole year a young and maybe the futures super talent but i think its just a bit early
2018-12-15 12:15
#175
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United States Jammin800k 
Of course :) I think I will switch 20. Valde/woxic -> Valde/Cerq I really like both players tho
2018-12-15 12:19
Both which two? Valde/woxic?
2018-12-15 12:20
#177
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm keeping #20 as a 2 person spot because its literally splitting hairs but keep valde first because I think hes more likely Oh never mind I read that wrong No, I like woxic but I was talking about valde and cerq
2018-12-15 12:22
Still thinking simple will be 1st and device 2nd?
2018-12-15 12:26
Device was not just a huge individual but also they accomplished many things which navi unfortunately couldnt do
2018-12-15 12:27
#184
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah I think s1mples year was too impressive individually. Broke too many records to not be top 1
2018-12-15 12:34
Thanks again for your effort and time I’ll see you back here in a month :)
2018-12-15 12:37
#193
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United States Jammin800k 
See you then and just remember no matter who gets it they're both amazing, 1 of a kind talent players, both deserve it :)
2018-12-15 12:44
+1
2018-12-15 13:06
#171
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United States Jammin800k 
If tabsen isnt on the list then who? Rain & flamie are really the only other options... hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01..
2018-12-15 12:12
first spot goes to astralis member. this is team game. best player cannot be the best of the losers.
2018-12-15 11:11
#209
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United States Jammin800k 
Team game yes you win trophies and tournaments for being a good team But this is an Individually based list first, achievements come second.
2018-12-16 03:27
#426
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United Kingdom fal36 
+1 Device has already had his glory let s1mple have his
2018-12-21 23:09
#169
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Sweden Zaser5 
Ethan? Is he truly a top 20 player? Please link some vids if you have about him
2018-12-15 11:26
#190
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United States Jammin800k 
See to answer that question you'd have to make a list as well and compare him to other players. In my findings yes he is top 20, hes got decent placements, multiple EVPs, good stats - great for a tier 2 team
2018-12-15 12:42
How is krimz top 9
2018-12-15 12:15
#186
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United States Jammin800k 
#18
2018-12-15 12:36
#178
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Brazil on_you 
twistzz way too low considering his recent performances
2018-12-15 12:21
#188
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United States Jammin800k 
That sentence just says "I HAVE RECENCY BIAS"
2018-12-15 12:37
#344
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Brazil on_you 
you legit put coldzera higher than twistzz That screams "I LACK BRAIN CELLS"
2018-12-17 16:18
#355
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United States Jammin800k 
#29
2018-12-17 20:51
#488
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United States Jammin800k 
Cold above twistzz confirmed btw :)
2019-01-10 20:41
coldzera will be ahead of krimz
2018-12-15 12:24
#192
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United States Jammin800k 
I could see it, krimz ADR Is insane tho hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7528/KRIM.. It's really close. Cold might get it for major placings though
2018-12-15 12:42
Fallen?
2018-12-15 12:37
#191
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United States Jammin800k 
Why would a 1.03 rating big event player with what 1 EVP? Be on the top 20 list
2018-12-15 12:39
when does it start?
2018-12-15 12:52
Guardian not in top10 nt
2018-12-15 13:10
#207
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United States Jammin800k 
Who should he be above that's in top 10?
2018-12-16 03:23
#198
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Poland SebaRost 
1. s1mple 2. device 3. NiKo 4. coldzera 5. GuardiaN 6. electronic 7. Twistzz 8. dupreeh 9. Magisk 10. NAF 11. oskar 12. Xyp9x 13. ropz 14. gla1ve 15. suNny 16. KRIMZ 17. EliGE 18. FalleN 19. flamie 20. rain
2018-12-15 14:35
guardian ranked 5 lmaoooo
2018-12-16 04:01
#379
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New Zealand Eauor 
RAIN OMEGALUL
2018-12-20 04:50
1. device 100%
2018-12-15 14:53
no major no top 1.
2018-12-15 17:25
#206
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United States Jammin800k 
What major did cold win last year?
2018-12-16 03:22
baitzera? two in 2016, zero in 2017/2018.
2018-12-16 03:31
they still were top 1 in 2017 also won some tier 1 tournemants
2018-12-16 03:43
#236
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United States Jammin800k 
That's not what he said though he said "no major no top 1" which has literally never been a rule S1mple has won tier 1 tournaments S1mple was on the top 2 team for a majority of the year Being on the top 1 team is also not required to make top 1
2018-12-16 09:10
#202
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Denmark Cleandog 
Perfect list but, #1 Device #2 S1mple
2018-12-15 17:29
+1
2018-12-16 03:27
#215
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United States Jammin800k 
Give me a valid reason device will be above s1mple in an individually based list?
2018-12-16 03:36
more mvps more achievments major mvp
2018-12-16 03:41
"individually based list" s1mple leads device in literally every category except "Total AWP Kills", and this isn't even factoring in how much more device uses the AWP.
2018-12-16 04:02
#228
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United States Jammin800k 
His MVPs are much more controversial than device His achievements are due to him being on a better team S1mple has 2 major EVPs which is arguably equal to an MVP and Devices major MVP was also controversial where as all of s1mples were dominant
2018-12-16 08:59
maybe beside cologne mvp i guess it should go to electronic, he was the main factor why they managed to win vs astralis and was best in the finnals
2018-12-22 09:58
-ethan +tarik, other than that perfect list tbh
2018-12-16 03:27
also #202
2018-12-16 03:27
#214
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United States Jammin800k 
- a top 5 NA player +a top 10 NA player. Doesnt make sense 1.13 big event rating vs 1.03 big event rating
2018-12-16 03:36
tarik IGL'd a major winning team and still got a MVP for it (i will admit it was sorta a fluke) but none the less he was a big reason c9 won the major, and for the rest of the year preformed well in a top5 team, and made history with first team to be 16-0'd in a major.
2018-12-16 03:41
#226
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United States Jammin800k 
#54
2018-12-16 08:56
I will agree that tarik fell off from his form at the major, but his form at the major was really really good, so even though he fell off he's still performed, which him and coldzera preforming helped them get into the semis of the faceit major, (all be it they had a really easy route) go deep in many other tournaments, and is the reason why people thought mibr would be the team to beat astralis (which didn't happen sadly)
2018-12-16 08:59
#233
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United States Jammin800k 
Your argument is "Tarik performed well at 1 event so he should be on the list" if that's all you have then I think it's pretty clear you have 0 relevant reasons for him to be on the list. Tarik at Faceit Major hltv.org/stats/players/matches/8523/tari.. 2nd worst player on the team
2018-12-16 09:04
major mvp's should be on the top20 list imo as for the faceit major, I will admit I didn't do my research there, but none the less he's still done his part for the rest of the year both tarik and Ethan won 2 tournaments, and both iem shanghai and zotac cup were the same level of significance, the major and cs_summit do not compare, and ethan didn't get MVP for any events he won, whereas tarik got MVP for 1 tournament, I will not deny, ethan has done really well this year, but he often plays in NA tournaments/t2 tournaments where as almost all of mibr's tournaments have been t1.
2018-12-16 09:18
#238
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United States Jammin800k 
That's your opinion, it is in no way objective or factually backed Tournaments are team based no individual, they should be the last thing you compare. Tariks team won more prestigious tournaments, NRG were more consistent. It's pretty even What NA tournaments has Ethan played in? Also I compare players at Big events or at LAN vs top 20 teams, so tier 2 events and NA tournaments arent really factored in. Nice try tho
2018-12-16 09:23
#241
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United States Jammin800k 
Here ya go, no tier 2 tournaments to worry about hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8523/tari.. It's not even close lmao
2018-12-16 09:25
well obviously if you compare a star player of a team whose job is to kill everyone to someone with coldzera on there team stats will favour the star player, thats why if you compare ethan to xyp9x or gla1ve ethans stats will be better, or compare s1mple to tarik, the results are fairly similar. all in all though this was probably the best argument I've seen on hltv, and you've convinced me in only a few paragraphs that Ethan deserves a spot on top 20, well done. I still believe Tarik should be on the top 20 list, but maybe replace someone else.
2018-12-16 09:34
#247
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United States Jammin800k 
That's the thing though. The ranking isnt about "performance in a role" if it was I'd have gla1ve in top 3. But it's also not like coldzera is getting all the kills, fallen is doing a great job AWPing and stewie and fer are amazing entries this year. Theres plenty of room for tarik to get kills, if there wasnt theyd be winning so that argument is pretty weak. Thanks, who would you put tarik over since you agree with Ethan being on the list now? Gla1ve actually has pretty much the same stats as Ethan btw
2018-12-16 09:39
damn I guess gla1ves smoke kills are really adding up as for who I would replace on this list, its kinda hard since u have a really solid list, maybe woxic because he hasn't had a lot of time to fully develop, but he's a really good player already so that wouldn't matter, maybe tabsen since he has no trophies under his belt, but then again neither does woxic so that would be a bad argument, ropz maybe, but he was doing very well for the beginning 1/2 of the year, and only fell a little off in the 2nd half of the year, a similar case to tarik I'd say final verdict would be woxic, speaking as he has no titles under his belt, and his team can still win matches with him not showing up.
2018-12-16 10:04
#253
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United States Jammin800k 
Woxic isnt on the list though its Valde/woxic and previously in the thread I changed it to Valde/cerq Valde is who I expect to get #20 tho
2018-12-16 10:08
o well in that case tabsen, he pretty much turns up in the majority of games, but the issue is his team, not a single title under there belt, lacks in the firepower department, and with the top 20 being based on stats and achievements, in the stats department he's top20 worthy but he's so far behind in the achievement department that i could make a case for him being moved down/replaced by tarik, other than him im not really sure, i do believe that tarik deserves a spot and do believe he will get a spot, but the rest of this list is very very good.
2018-12-16 10:16
#256
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United States Jammin800k 
I'd have autimatic before tarik tbh
2018-12-16 10:25
as a c9 fan i condone this message
2018-12-16 10:25
#217
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United States Merk0 
Nahte has been one of the most important parts of nrg Tarik hasn't found himself since he joined mibr
2018-12-16 03:39
#216
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United States Merk0 
Xyp9x will be around 15 although I think he should be higher. The guy has a insane amount of clutches and is a good tier player but it seems like his numbers were down this year from previous years. Not saying he's lacking it's just the circumstances he is set in. S1 will be the #1 cause Navi is nothing without him. 2 guys carried them to the #2 spot which is insane. Probably the most impactful player this year with device being the second most impactful player. I think your list is pretty spot on although krimz is a little high for my taste. He was a good at the beginning of 2018 but the team in general dropped off quickly. It's good to see him playing well again though with the new roster changes. He will probably be 12 or 13. Also for #20 I wouldn't be suprised if we see Tarik or autimatic as the same drop off krimz saw happened to them both. I don't see valde or woxic in the top 20 but they definitely deserve it. The top 20 is about big lan performances and wins for the most part.
2018-12-16 03:38
I agree for the most part. I like this list a lot even though KRIMZ's spot is questionable. OP did a good job explaining why he thinks KRIMZ will be that high. His achievements the whole year round were rather good (winning in Katowice, good placings at Chicago etc). As for #20 it will be really close. Valde, woxic, auti, nahtE and Cerq could perhaps be options, but I simply feel like nahtE will get it because of his consistent performances the whole year round.
2018-12-16 04:06
#225
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United States Merk0 
Yea the players you listed are generally who I have as #20 also. There are a lot of players that could grab that spot. My opinion I think autimatic will grab it for being so dominant in the beginning of 2018 and has had a couole good teir performances throughout the rest of 2018. I honestly think Ethan or cerq have the chance to be 17 or 18 maybe even a little higher but I wouldn't be surprised to see him as 20 or completly cut out from the list either
2018-12-16 04:57
clutches mean a lot, thats why last year xyp9x > kjaebey even tho kjaerbay have better rating and major mvp still xyp9x > him cuz of clutches he won, i think he will be top-10 this year
2018-12-22 10:02
#442
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United States Merk0 
Yea like I said, he should be higher. The only problem is anything that is not a statistic is a untangable when making a list like this. He may pass the eye test and by far look like a top 10 player but the stats are more important which is why most supports never get the credit they deserve
2018-12-22 10:16
come on, he isnt that bad statistic wise 1.1 rating, cold or krimz have 1.16, and if someone doubt that who is top-1 s1mple or device with a gap 0,1 and navi top-2 team, why the fuck xyp9x shouldnt be higher them krimz or cold that played for not even top-5 team this year and have only 0,06 over xyp9x(also he have most clutches 2018 that a big factor)
2018-12-22 10:52
#445
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United States Merk0 
Yea but there are plenty of players with higher ratings on top teams
2018-12-22 10:53
#446
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United States Merk0 
Ontop of that fnatic won a couple big plans this year and krimz was a top 5 player for a while b4 all of this craziness and has been their main star since. Cold is a weird one because he had poor form for the beginning of the year and has only looked strong in the recent months. If they put him in the top 10 it would be out of pity
2018-12-22 10:57
yep s1mple device niko dupreeh naf magisk electronic and gla1ve is 100% higher then him, but who is gona be next? only 8 player left that have better rating, cold and krimz player for not even top-5 team and have only 0,06 rating over xyp9x shouldnt be higher then him, sunny 1.13 not enough mouz not that good, guardian oskar and elige 1.12 same not enough of a lead, maybe twistzz with 1.13 might be higher but still really doubt it, to be fair he should be top-9 after this first 8 players that i said IF there is anyone doubt who is top s1mple or devv there should be no doubt that xyp9x is top-9 player this year p.s. Also clutches he won auto gave him +0,02 rating, cuz as i said last year he had 1.09 and still > kjarbye with major mvp and 1.1 rating cuz of clutchis he won
2018-12-22 10:59
#449
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United States Merk0 
Their are plenty of players to choose from. Mouz and others have been in and out of the top 5 all year. This isn't about recent form it is a look at the entire year. Their are many players to consider and because of that supports tend to get pushed to the back of the list due to them doing the untangables aka stuff that doesn't show up on the stat sheet
2018-12-22 11:03
i already said who had better rating, cold and krimz with 1.16(not top-5 team so not gonna happend) sunny and twistz with 1.13 guardian oskar and elige with 1.12 only this 7 players dont this that anyone should be higher then xyp9x
2018-12-22 11:06
#452
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United States Merk0 
All of those players could end up higher than him. Fnatic has big lan wins and cold has been top 1 for the last two years they man easily put him top 10 out of pity. And mibr has been competitive and have made some deepish runs.
2018-12-22 11:09
#454
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United States Merk0 
Betway put him at #9 which I though was very deserving. But their list is conducted with more bias involved. They rely less on stats. The hltv list is almost only about stats that have been collected across the entire year
2018-12-22 11:12
xyp9x stats is amazing for support player, 1.1 rating in big events + clutches that he won put him on the same lvl as guardian elige or oskar even if dont consider that astralis >>>>> all, sunny and twistz not gonna be higher then him with only 1.13, and cold and krimz player for tier-2, mibr have 0 lans this year and fnatic have 1 tier 1.5 event(cuz that event have no 2 best team of last even sltv mouz and navi) and fnatic missed a lot of lans, they didnt play any single blast pro series, missed ecs and epl leauges missed few starladders krimz and cold dont deserve to be higher then xyp9x and probably wont be
2018-12-22 11:17
#451
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United States Merk0 
Also you have to remember xyp9x was struggling for the first part of 2018 and had poor form for a while. He has been impressive since his slump but he has not shown us the same type of godlike play he displayed in 2017
2018-12-22 11:07
#453
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United States Merk0 
Plus in God mode he only got like 15 or somthing. I expect him to get in the lower part of the top 15 if he enters the top 10 then I'm more than pleased
2018-12-22 11:10
#230
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Israel wetz 
Krimz should be 15 in my opinion
2018-12-16 09:01
#234
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United States Jammin800k 
#18
2018-12-16 09:06
I think all Astralis will be top10... They have to... They took 90% of the titles lol
2018-12-16 09:03
COLD IN 2018 LUL
2018-12-16 09:04
#235
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United States Jammin800k 
Uninformed or baiting?
2018-12-16 09:08
krimz is so overrated
2018-12-16 09:24
#243
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United States Jammin800k 
#18 Has multiple EVPs, best player on his team by far
2018-12-16 09:34
Good list, personally would replace 17 and 20 with autimatic and rain.
2018-12-16 09:35
#248
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United States Jammin800k 
If I did that then is have to change a lot of other placings around because that clearly shows a heavy weight towards achievements and specifically majors which I think many people overrate the importance of, they act like its equivalent to multiple big events.
2018-12-16 09:43
Nah about rain I was solely relying on amount of maps played on big events, basically being relevent most part of the year. Imo we just haven't seen enough from players like woxic or tabsen there. But yeah my bad, forgot valde had an MVP, he probs will be 20th.
2018-12-16 10:03
#252
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah I dont expect to see woxic but tabsen not on the list would be egregious imo I also changed the #20 spot to Valde/cerq in the thread Did you read #170?
2018-12-16 10:06
Just did and realized I might have totally ignored smaller stacked lans where tabsen was insane lmao
2018-12-16 10:19
#259
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah dudes a monster lol. Definitely the best German player in CSGO history
2018-12-16 10:28
#246
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Russia Vad97oRRR 
No tabsen LUL
2018-12-16 09:39
#249
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United States Jammin800k 
17. Tabsen
2018-12-16 09:44
#266
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Russia Vad97oRRR 
sorry
2018-12-16 15:04
#257
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
Why’s cold so high?
2018-12-16 10:25
#260
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United States Jammin800k 
Cause his numbers are insane (great ADR, KPR, KAST, Impact especially), has multiple EVPs and had decent enough placings at big events 5 top 4s, 2 at majors.
2018-12-16 10:34
#261
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Lithuania LevelUpp 
Guardian #13? Mind explaining why he's so high?
2018-12-16 10:35
#264
ZywOo | 
France 128Tick 
1. Apash
2018-12-16 14:58
Krimz is overrated.
2018-12-16 15:32
then you forgot the first half of this year, he performed well, but shouldnt be that high imo too maybe around top14
2018-12-17 00:27
It was a decent half, but that's not enough to get top15 imo
2018-12-17 00:28
#291
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United States Jammin800k 
#18
2018-12-17 01:02
#274
Ukraine KPI 
9. Krimz More likely like 29. Krimz
2018-12-16 17:04
#295
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United States Jammin800k 
#18
2018-12-17 03:01
Good list maybe 4. Electronic and 9.Twitzz btw its close
2018-12-16 17:08
#282
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Brazil MigueItalo 
When the official list will be annouced ?
2018-12-16 23:19
on the first of january 2019, hltv will reveil their top20 player. on 2nd place 19 on 3rd place 18 and so on. I think they did that last year like that
2018-12-17 00:26
#288
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Brazil MigueItalo 
ty
2018-12-17 00:29
#284
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Denmark Fluxie_CB 
Very good list so far, and i agree on most of it, but Electronic might be swapped with Magisk, only due to the mvp award and good showing at Blast Lisbon. I feel like Ropz and Tabsen could also be swapping places on the official list, depending on how HLTV base their scores, but its incredibly tight between the two.
2018-12-17 00:24
#290
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United States Jammin800k 
#124
2018-12-17 01:01
#292
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Denmark Fluxie_CB 
Didnt notice that comment in the massive amount of other comments. You're doing really good research on this dude. Props to you. What's your opinion on the Ropz/Tabsen ranking? You think they could be swapping places, or is it pretty much set in stone that Tabsen will rank higher than Ropz?
2018-12-17 01:08
#293
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United States Jammin800k 
Thanks a lot man Nah it's not set in stone ropz has a decent big event map count advantage over tabsen and also won tournaments so that's definitely an advantage, I just favored tabsen individual performance a lot because hes the teams best player by far and his actual performances (albeit less) were noticeably better and ropz had one of the more serious drop offs in the year along with oskar and guardian.
2018-12-17 01:43
Pretty good list. Imo: - device will be top 1 - not only 4-6 will be super close, but 4-7. naf's had a huge year and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended #4. - gla1ve should definitely be #8 indeed. He's right between the top 7 who have been outstanding this year and the rest who have been pretty good. - Agree with 9-16. Not sure about the order. - 17-20 is quite far from top 16. I don't see why tabsen should be in top 20 though. Maybe rain (4 EVPs), flamie (4 EVPs), autimatic (major winner + good stats) or tarik (major MVP) could take the spot.
2018-12-17 10:09
#308
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United States Jammin800k 
#87 covers most of that #124 for 4-7 but dupreeh is guaranteed 4th at this point imo it's more 5-7 that's controversial Still havent seen a valid reason device will be top 1 everything device can do s1mple can do better in terms of the metrics Oh and thanks :)
2018-12-17 11:03
It's just that, imo, achievements are such big part of the discussion when it comes to hltv top 20 of the year. And device has, most likely, 7 MVP and 7 EVP while s1mple has "only" 5 MVP and 3 EVP. This being said, like everyone (?), I believe s1mple has been the best player this year. I get your point in #87. I'm just not sure it's that crystal clear ^^ And ye, imo autimatic will be in top 20, not tarik.
2018-12-17 11:27
#314
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United States Jammin800k 
The list has always made room and bumped players up who have been noticeably dominant individually without the achievements. And s1mple has had the best year of any player individually and has legitimately been called the best player in the world the entire year, more than any other player. He simply broke too many records to not be top 1. And he unlike many in the past still has great achievements and was on one of the top teams. I'd be fine with Tim on the list just not over tabsen or ethan. S1mple has 6 MVPs btw and his comparative MVP performances are much more dominant and also has a higher rate of MVPs/EVPS to top 4s
2018-12-17 12:04
#311
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United States Jammin800k 
Oh and autimatic has a much better case than tarik
2018-12-17 11:07
#299
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Finland Emvi 
1. s1mple 2. dev1ce 3. NiKo 4. electronic 5. dupreeh 6. magisk 7. NAF 8. gla1ve 9. twistzz 10. coldzera 11. guardian 12. xyp9x 13. sunny 14. oskar 15. elige 16. krimz 17. ropz 18. flamie 19. rain 20. ethan/fallen/autimatic ez4ence
2018-12-17 10:33
1.coldzera 2.Niko 3.s1mple 4.Fallen 5.device
2018-12-17 10:41
#310
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Brazil DouglasR 
No debate!
2018-12-17 11:06
3. Niko 9. Krimz haha nt idiot
2018-12-17 12:02
#322
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United States Jammin800k 
#281 Niko #18 Krimz
2018-12-17 12:29
17. bugsen heavy drugs
2018-12-17 12:33
#324
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Portugal JCosta 
Where is fallen?
2018-12-17 12:35
#325
ZywOo | 
Denmark BoytanG 
Twistzzz and guardian were both better than Krimz and Cold
2018-12-17 12:35
#327
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United States Jammin800k 
Twistzz vs Cold #29 Twistzz vs krimz hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7528/KRIM.. Grpahs are basically opposite. Krimz stands out in impact and ADR though. Twistzz MVP might put him over krimz same amount of EVPs at 3. Guardian vs krimz is basically the same argument but guardian has weaker stats than twistzz and also suffered a noticeable drop off. He also had no period where he was top 5 like krimz and twistzz did. Guardian vs cold hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9216/cold.. Comes down to the noticeable statistical differences that favor cold and the fact that cold has been the best player on his team the entire year and more consistent.
2018-12-17 12:55
#326
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United States jadjadz 
best list i've seen so far, but I wouldn't include ethan and tabsen in my top 20 list. care to elaborate why you think they should make it?
2018-12-17 12:41
#328
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United States Jammin800k 
I have extensively in #87, #103 and #170 :)
2018-12-17 12:51
#329
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United States jadjadz 
I would take autimatic over ethan imo, major EVP and has very similiar stats but with more maps in big events
2018-12-17 12:56
#330
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah but then I have valde on there and I'd take valde off for Ethan. Problem with Tim is realllly weak placings and no accolades besides the major.
2018-12-17 13:01
#331
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United States Jammin800k 
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. This is also why I mentioned big event ratings are arbitrary. At all LANs vs top 20 so tier 2+ competition Ethan has more maps and better stats than tim
2018-12-17 13:03
Wow wow there is no tarik who major mvp but valde/w0xic. so nt
2018-12-17 14:00
#337
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United States Jammin800k 
Eh 17-20 could be rain/cerq/woxic/tim/flamie not tarik Read #146 and 156
2018-12-17 14:33
#335
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United States anymor3 
chrisj?
2018-12-17 14:08
#338
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United States Jammin800k 
2018-12-17 14:35
Fallen for support/leadership
2018-12-17 14:29
+1 first good list I've seen here
2018-12-17 14:44
#340
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United States Jammin800k 
Thank you
2018-12-17 14:47
#342
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United States FlagMaster 
Actually a pretty good list. I do think KRiMZ is too high and Valde is too low but that’s the only nitpick
2018-12-17 15:33
1)device 2)s1mple 3)NiKo 4)NAF 5)electronic 6)Magisk 7)dupreeh 8)KRIMZ 9)coldzera 10)gla1ve 11)Twistzz 12)GuardiaN 13)suNny 14)oskar 15)Xyp9x 16)EliGE 17)ropz 18)rain 19)flamie 20)CeRq last two maybe wont be there
2018-12-17 16:11
16. kennyS , ik g2 didn't won any tournament in 2018 but he is still a top 20 player imo
2018-12-17 16:21
#361
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United States Jammin800k 
Hes not, first year since 2013
2018-12-19 06:02
#354
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Russia fl3x3r 
1.S1mple 2.Dev1ce 3.NiKo 4.Issa 5.Coldzera 6.x9p6x 7.Gla1ve 8.electronic 9.Twistzz 10.dupreeh 11.guardian 12.Magisk 13.woxic 14.rain 15.naf 16.oskar 17.flamie 18.sunny 19.brehze 20.hobbit
2018-12-17 18:51
#363
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Brazil Vitor_IS 
4.Issa xd
2018-12-19 06:15
#404
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Russia fl3x3r 
Dude, he is pretty good and may be top 2-3 2019
2018-12-21 08:45
#416
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Brazil Vitor_IS 
not top 4 in 2018 i don't hink he's gonna be even in the top20
2018-12-21 18:20
#409
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Finland MoRst 
flamie better than sunny hmmm
2018-12-21 09:21
- naf +Chrisj and it's ok !
2018-12-18 00:05
#362
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Brazil Vitor_IS 
9 - krimz ?
2018-12-19 06:14
#490
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United States Jammin800k 
Yep
2019-01-15 01:21
1. semphis 2. karrigan 3. nifty 4. scream 5. swag xd
2018-12-19 06:29
#408
allu | 
Finland MoRst 
braxton!
2018-12-21 09:19
1. s1mple 2. device 3. NiKo 4. Magisk 5. NAF 6. dupreeh 7. electronic 8. coldzera 9. GuardiaN 10. gla1ve 11. KRIMZ 12. Xyp9x 13. Twistzz 14. oskar 15. suNny 16. EliGE 17. ropz 18. autimatic 19. CeRq 20. woxic
2018-12-20 00:38
#376
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Brazil Kolt116 
NT Nahte, tabseN on the list but not FalleN? And who tf is Krimz in 2K18? Lulz
2018-12-20 04:28
#397
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United States Jammin800k 
Well thank you for proving you have 0 cs knowledge Krimz is a top 10 player statistically with multiple EVPs and one of the highest impact ratings Fallen achieved nothing this year and has like a 1.03 rating
2018-12-20 22:30
KRIMZ > any shit MIBR player 2018 but they will probably put baitzera over him anyway
2018-12-21 21:56
#378
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United States mineturte 
Yea
2018-12-20 04:37
#381
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India ElectriXd 
Nice prediction bro.. The actual list will be very close to it.. 😀
2018-12-20 05:03
#386
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Turkey Xympo 
19. XANTARES
2018-12-20 15:42
ok
2018-12-20 15:47
#389
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Turkey MoonsterCS 
Where Xantares
2018-12-20 15:49
Coldzera lower than these people xDDD: 2. Device 4. Dupreeh 5. Electronic 6. Magisk 7. NAF 8. Gla1ve 9. Krimz
2018-12-20 15:57
#473
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United States Jammin800k 
People like you make me happy they do rankings so you can see how delusional you are
2018-12-26 05:11
#489
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United States Jammin800k 
Nt
2019-01-15 01:20
Device top 1
2018-12-20 17:54
#399
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Sweden green_god 
Seems reasonable. Don't think Niko will rank so high though
2018-12-21 00:31
#466
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United States Jammin800k 
Then you simply havent done your research 3rd most MVPs 2nd best stats Tied for 2nd most tournament wins of any team
2018-12-22 19:29
Naf 7 place Is this a joke
2018-12-21 00:33
1. device 2. s1mple 3. Xyp9x 4. NiKo 5. dupreeh 6. electroNic 7. NAF 8. gla1ve 9. Twistzz 10. coldzera 11. Magisk 12. KRiMZ 13. suNny 14. GuardiaN 15. oskar 16. EliGE 17. f0rest 18. ropz 19. w0xic 20. valde/CeRq
2018-12-21 00:36
#405
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Brazil BrenoCRF7 
1. Dev1ce 2. S1mple 3. NiKo 4. Electronic 5. NAF 6. Gla1ve 7. Twitzz 8. Dupreeh 9. Xyp9x 10. Magisk 11. Coldzera 12. GuardiaN 13. Ropz 14. Elige 15. Sunny 16. FalleN 17. Oskar 18. Krimz 19. Nitr0 20. Tarik (major mvp always show up at the top 20)
2018-12-21 09:08
#407
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Finland MoRst 
Sunny should be higher tbh and krimz lower
2018-12-21 09:18
#411
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Palestine gaLltakeR 
Why Krimz ?
2018-12-21 09:22
Good rating at big events 1 MVP was the closest player to S1mple in terms of rating at one point with 1.28 for a while still has really good DPR aswell
2018-12-21 21:54
#414
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Sweden green_god 
you cannot put the krimz or coldzera of 2018 over the clutch master. no sense in that
2018-12-21 13:16
#465
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United States Jammin800k 
I definitely can when krimz and cold are the stars of their team and have significantly better stats and overall performances and xyp9x is a supportive element (one of the best) with 3 top 5 players on his team
2018-12-22 19:28
Xantares??
2018-12-21 13:23
Very good list :) I just have this feeling that Dev1ce gets #1 simple is better though
2018-12-21 18:22
good list tbh, valid options. I'd put Krimz below cold and twistz and maybe tarik at 20º since he was the major MVP for c9. Still +1
2018-12-21 23:18
#431
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Brazil DDV 
Fallen?
2018-12-22 01:16
#439
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Australia weapon_ 
Device will be #1 hes won more mvps then niko has won tourneys this year.. #1 device #2 simple #3 not-niko #4 not-niko #5 niko is hes lucky
2018-12-22 09:56
#464
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United States Jammin800k 
Still haven't read an argument for device being #1 besides "he wins more tournaments because hes on a better team"
2018-12-22 19:27
#470
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Australia weapon_ 
Most mvps won for 2018.. done.. #1 dev1ce
2018-12-23 01:06
#472
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United States Jammin800k 
Quality > quantity
2018-12-26 04:07
Cloud9 won Boston 2018 > 0 players from c9
2018-12-26 05:32
#484
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United States Jammin800k 
Cloud9 players did nothing the entire rest of the year and earned no evps > 0 players from c9
2018-12-26 08:31
#475
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Spain marietehs 
Can I ask why is Krimz that high? 9-krimz > 12- xyp9x ¿¿??
2018-12-26 05:40
#483
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United States Jammin800k 
Uhm yeah xyp9x is arguably the weakest player on his team individually I think most people would have him tied with gla1ve. Krimz on the other hand is fnatics best player and the main reason for their success he was arguably a top 3 player at one point in the year. Also #18. Not sure why you would put xyp9x above krimz hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. ADR KPR 1+ Kill rounds. The list is and always has been primarily individual, xyp9x is surrounded by better players in every role than krimz, when isolated krimz is the better player.
2018-12-26 07:59
1. Device 2. S1mple 3. Niko 4. Dupreeh 5. Electronic 6. Magisk 7. NAF 8. Gla1ve 9. Twistzz 10. Xyp9x 11. Coldzera 12. Guardian 13. Krimz 14. Sunny 15. Elige 16. Oskar 17. Flamie 18. Ropz 19. Tarik 20. Valde
2018-12-26 05:50
#481
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Russia og_loc 
1. solek 2. edward 3. forsaken
2018-12-26 07:54
forsaken
2018-12-26 07:55
#486
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Turkey Asufa80 
Bump for the best list so far
2018-12-31 10:31
#487
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United States IFisico 
-tabsen +flamie and device wil be top 1 for sure (on HLTV)
2019-01-03 08:35
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