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NAVI in 2019
seized | 
Russia duxhux 
After Zeus leaves CSGO, NAVI becomes a tier 2 CIS team. Thoughts?
2018-12-16 16:49
#1
seized | 
Russia duxhux 
s1mple and flamie unite with brazilians?
2018-12-16 16:49
#7
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Singapore Kerk 
No s1 and electronic dummy
2018-12-16 16:52
not if s1mple keeps resigning with Navi
2018-12-16 17:38
no bro..MIBR will play with full brazilian players....S1 and electro wont join other braz teams u know
2018-12-16 18:39
a tier 1 you mean finally zeus will be gone
2018-12-16 16:49
#22
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Italy drkrios 
delusional
2018-12-16 17:29
delusional
2018-12-16 18:24
zeus might not be a good player but a good igl i think..so navi will suffer a bit
2018-12-16 18:34
no /close
2018-12-16 16:49
+ANGE1 +Hobbit
2018-12-16 16:49
#47
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Europe Flexi3 
I hope so
2018-12-16 18:08
angel will never leave woxicraisers, and even if that happens, it wont be a tactical upgrade
2018-12-16 18:30
#5
Ukraine Pham_ 
Yes, unfortunately(
2018-12-16 16:50
#6
boss | 
Cambodia THEBO$$ 
They are tier2 already. Cant win a single final against decent team...
2018-12-16 16:52
well they beat astralis in the semis of cologne
2018-12-16 17:18
#18
ZywOo | 
Ukraine Walster 
top 2 of the year in hltv rankings , 2 players in top5 players of the year -> tier2 ns bait bictch
2018-12-16 17:19
#20
boss | 
Cambodia THEBO$$ 
Cant win a final against decent team LOL
2018-12-16 17:21
then liquid are t5 cuz they cant win a final against any team
2018-12-16 17:50
they did once i think
2018-12-16 18:31
ok mr etyzan, t3 team
2018-12-16 18:32
#21
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Ukraine Valarnirmirgt 
'decent team' lol
2018-12-16 17:23
#50
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Europe Flexi3 
Starseries 5 ESL COLOGNE Blast Copenhagen No tier1 events???
2018-12-16 18:10
#54
boss | 
Cambodia THEBO$$ 
Starseries LOL Cologne is the only tier1 event they won, and guess what. It was against BIG. It took zeus to play the game of his life and drop 30 frags to barely beat astralis. Blast isnt tier1.
2018-12-16 18:13
big only got to the final with the help of the home crowd
2018-12-16 18:33
#78
boss | 
Cambodia THEBO$$ 
Well guess what, the crowd was ghsoting for NaVi at both starladders.
2018-12-16 18:33
provide at least 3 clips of that happening
2018-12-16 18:34
#81
boss | 
Cambodia THEBO$$ 
Dude, i dont need to provide anything when even KANE TOLD THAT the crowd full of bandera nazi kids was ghosting for them.
2018-12-16 18:38
ukrainians*
2018-12-16 18:39
#84
boss | 
Cambodia THEBO$$ 
99% of ukrainians are nazi banderas
2018-12-16 18:39
i bet my ass that you're polish
2018-12-16 18:40
After he leaves, they finally have chances to become top 1. (If Edward retires with him).
2018-12-16 16:53
#16
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Ukraine ravenous150 
already saw this in 2017... oh wait top16 isn't top1
2018-12-16 17:16
They didn't have electronic on the loose back then and Edward was still there.
2018-12-16 17:29
#29
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Ukraine ravenous150 
but they had Guardian who's is much better AWP than s1mple right now
2018-12-16 17:40
Perhaps a better sniper but s1mple overall is a MUCH better player. Also Edward was still there with Zeus.
2018-12-16 17:41
#31
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Ukraine ravenous150 
Zeus isn't Na'Vi problem. I would like to change Edward or flamie and add Adren or bondik
2018-12-16 17:43
Zeus is the main problem, they keep playing by his outdated tactics that barely ever work. Edward should be kicked too, along with flamie.
2018-12-16 17:44
#33
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Ukraine ravenous150 
Let's just disband them
2018-12-16 17:45
Might as well just transport elec and s1mple to a better team.
2018-12-16 17:46
#35
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Ukraine ravenous150 
Elec will have kid in few months. S1mple into Faze and that's the end
2018-12-16 17:47
It's not the elec who gives birth though and they might have worked on their chemistry with s1mple, I'd like to see them together on a better team.
2018-12-16 17:48
zeus is the best cis igl and you say that he is the problem? ok, even if zeus and edward leave, who can actually replace zeus?
2018-12-16 17:53
Simple would lead, 2-3 new talented-passionate CIS players recruited. Zeus is the most popular IGL, not the best one. It's different.
2018-12-16 17:54
then tell me why did navi sucked 2016-2017 and started to fuck everyone up when zeus came back? why didnt s1mple take the igl role?
2018-12-16 17:56
Management of the team didn't let him. NaVi of 2016-2017 had Zeus, sezied and Edward in the same team, 3 BOT is way too much a task.
2018-12-16 17:57
august 2016 zeus left,navi became shit with a esl one cologne fluke august 2017 zeus came back, navi won several t1 tournaments and became top5 team
2018-12-16 17:58
and yes, i know that they started winning champs after electronic arrived, but still that doesnt mean that zeus did no impact. same with gambit, zeus left = they became trash
2018-12-16 18:02
Zeus had a very little impact because he was on the bottom of the board almost all the time. And elec played for two. Gambit lost their cheerleader and couldn't decide who will lead and slowly fell apart.
2018-12-16 18:05
maybe we dont understand each other because i feel uncomfortable talking english? the impact is not why igl is in the team, igl's rool is coordinating gambit's problem wasnt lack of motivation, they just didnt have anyone to coordinate!
2018-12-16 18:09
Yes, it is IGL's objective but the objective of EACH and EVERY player is to kill. No matter how smart you are, if you cannot kill the enemy you become a dead weight.
2018-12-16 18:10
how can anyone at a team kill if they dont know what they are doing?
2018-12-16 18:11
Why do you think they don't? You imply IGL's teammates are silvers from MM who never played a professional match? IGL role is close to useless, each and every player knows what to do by default, strats are basic and play is the same.
2018-12-16 18:12
what about astralis with karrigan? i wouldnt say he was the deadweight
2018-12-16 18:13
Slightly better but still no match to them. Now they shine because gla1ve is a great player.
2018-12-16 18:14
AND BECAUSE GLA1VE IS A WONDERFUL IGL i feel like got the best bait ive ever tried!
2018-12-16 18:15
How do you define IGL role? I can see what I'm talking about. He's a great player, everyone can be an IGL but not everyone can be a good player.
2018-12-16 18:15
thing are pretty simple, igl role is defined by coordinating and cheering, when zeus left gambit, gambit became shite because none of players had igl's potential,but zeus did and he made navi great again
2018-12-16 18:18
Anyone can do so but IGLs have excuse for their shit playing and other players just want to win and they try really hard. IGLs who can't frag are money suckers. Zeus had to retire in 2012.
2018-12-16 18:19
the only problem for navi rn is astralis bc gla1ve is obviously a better aimer, and edward being bot ofc
2018-12-16 18:18
NaVi is not top 2, top 6 at best.
2018-12-16 18:19
kk mate, i thought you are smarter. i gave you so many examples of team sucking a dicko without a decent igl but you are still trying to bait me out
2018-12-16 18:21
Your examples are based on your opinion. It's not facts or close to that. Good team have IGLs who can frag, that is a fact for you.
2018-12-16 18:24
ok, i guess astralis is the only good team in exictence
2018-12-16 18:25
No, not the only. There are many teams whose captains can frag and actually help to the team.
2018-12-16 18:26
name some
2018-12-16 18:26
mousesports, ENCE, MIBR, BIG, Liquid, ex-Cloud9... even HR is much better as a team.
2018-12-16 18:27
and still mouz - 3 grand finals won ence - 1 grand final against vega(lul) m16r - 1 grand final won against kinguin(OMEGALUL) c9 - cant say anything about them, they are actually good with refrezh hr - t1.5 team
2018-12-16 18:32
sad time, but i think na'vi will win this major and after that - zeus + jame - edward + adren/hobbit
2018-12-16 16:57
#13
pronax | 
Russia Ducat 
+1
2018-12-16 17:10
-BOTWAD -ZEUS +ANGE1 +h0bbit
2018-12-16 16:57
Ez top 2
2018-12-16 16:58
#12
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Russia Reph 
+jR +chopper
2018-12-16 16:59
disband s1mple and electronic goes to faze/liquid flamie goes to tier 2 cis team kane and edward retire
2018-12-16 17:14
Navi will become tier 2 when s1mple and electronic leave. No one gives a shit about Boteus
2018-12-16 17:15
#19
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Bulgaria vectralsoul 
-Zeus -Edward -flamie +ANGE1 +bondik +jame -kane +starix back to coaching Try to mix vintage starix slow/methodical strats with fast/aggressive ANGE1 mid-round calls.
2018-12-16 17:21
Zeus will leave in mid 2019 or late 2019
2018-12-16 17:30
Hope he leaves on Jan 1st xD
2018-12-16 17:31
Na'vi with/without Zeus is still same
2018-12-16 17:30
Maybe hes forced to leave coz pepole threaten him. Coz he got jumped
2018-12-16 17:35
Real question tho. Who will be the new IGL? lol. Ange1? Dosia? Seized? What other options do they have lol.
2018-12-16 17:53
#44
mir | 
Russia Chieftein 
-Zeus +Jame/Jr
2018-12-16 18:00
#63
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Germany AdiZen 
jR did far more against better teams and s1mple rifling would be good again :D btw qikert is calling atm i think
2018-12-16 18:20
#65
mir | 
Russia Chieftein 
Vega won't sell Jr
2018-12-16 18:26
#66
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Germany AdiZen 
"it" why not lol? they would easily sell him hes no problem for navi to get ^^
2018-12-16 18:23
+1 navi without zeus = tier3 navi with zeus = almost tier 1
2018-12-16 18:10
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