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chrisJ | 
Ukraine LightScape 
I had enough of those stupid kids, that put simple on the n1 spot. I will repeat myself. Its not that obvious. I will paste my comment from another thread. Just dont want to write it twice. So simple vs device, lets go: Skillwise, yeah sure, simple is better. But he sucks in all the other aspects of the game. #1 spot is not only about stats. Device should be #1 this year, just because he is the part of the team, that has 2x+ points more, than everyone else. Simple > devise raw skill. Device >>>>>> simple. Nades, strats (zonic teached him), mindgames, communication, mindset, info. Simpe is just terrible in all of these aspects. He knows only 5 smokes per map, his info is the worst info on the planet. He is mentaly unstable. All of my info u can find on navi, zeus vlogs. Besides that, device 7 mvp's from big events vs simple's 5 (2 of them were gifted after losing final - its stupid I think). Achievements: devve 10 t1 events vs simple 3 t1 events. So u are the only one, who is clueless. #1 must be given to the player from the dominating team. It always was like this. Simple plays better, gets flashy kills, but this is not the reason, to give him #1 this year. P.S. ceh9 - cis analyst and caster have already said, that device will be n1. U are just a kid, that can rate things, that u can see. But this game has so many things behind the sceenes, that u will never be able to see it on the stream. So next time think again. #1 spot is not that obvious this year.
2018-12-20 14:13
#1
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Spain elskio 
+1
2018-12-20 14:13
tbh its w/e... top1 cold 2019 and top 2 fallen 2019 mibr top1 2019
2018-12-20 22:17
top1 br?
2018-12-21 01:14
i will come back to this thread when s1mple gets top1
2018-12-29 16:42
#365
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Europe Vallon2 
0/8
2018-12-21 18:19
fakeflag btw
2018-12-22 14:13
#401
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Israel unsolid 
+1 jonathan
2018-12-22 08:17
#2
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Lithuania ban_gla1ve_ffs 
+1
2018-12-20 14:13
Waiting for simple fans, that will write some bullshit
2018-12-20 14:14
+1
2018-12-20 14:19
hello i'm here i will write some bullshit stop1mple :) s1mple top 1 top 1 s1mple Ty /close
2018-12-20 14:23
thanks for developing my thread;)
2018-12-20 14:36
#149
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India arr0w_24 
XD
2018-12-20 15:47
u are wlcm it's free for ppl like u <3
2018-12-20 19:25
#329
Xyp9x | 
Other Zyncc 
lmao he even took your b8. hahaha
2018-12-21 13:49
I'm actually an Astralis fan and I think s1mple will be #1... I agree in all of your points, however stats (all stats - not the rating alone) is the most important thing in deciding the list. And s1mples stats are extremely superior to anyone else. If their stats had been closer - like for example device and NiKo - I would clearly give it to device because of MVPs and achievements.
2018-12-21 14:19
simple can be top1. I just say, that depends on hltv decision. If 40-50% of #1 are achievements and 60-50% skill = device will be top1 if <40% are achievements and >60% skill = simple will be top1
2018-12-21 14:22
I agree with your overall point. I disagree a bit with your percentages, since s1mples stats are extremely superior and devices achievements are equally superior. So my estimate is they will decide whether stats is more important than achievements + MVPs. And I think the stats will weigh slightly heavier. But we'll see... ;)
2018-12-21 14:29
rofl +1
2018-12-21 18:20
+1
2018-12-20 14:34
#73
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Indonesia Konerd1 
+2137
2018-12-20 14:46
Unexpected from ukraine wtf
2018-12-20 20:34
im not a simple fan or device fan. Its just what i think about the situation. Its my point nothing more.
2018-12-20 21:17
#328
Xyp9x | 
Other Zyncc 
lmao +1
2018-12-21 13:48
you are wrong. its not all about trophies stats are more important
2018-12-21 19:33
mb I think its 50/50 ach/stats I could be wrong.
2018-12-21 20:12
but s1mple's stats are superior to device's so should be rather easy for s1mple
2018-12-21 20:15
but device's achievements are 3.33x more superior than simple's.
2018-12-21 20:16
#511
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Australia ClamDong 
device doesnt have 3 anchors on his team.
2018-12-29 16:52
Yes device has supreme teammates, that are killing everyone. So its harder for him to find the rest of the kills. And whole navi team is working for simple to frag.
2018-12-29 16:54
#4
NiKo | 
Belgium ZxTox 
Sorry but guardian > device
2018-12-20 14:15
0/8
2018-12-20 14:16
#52
NiKo | 
Belgium ZxTox 
device newfag and average global elite player. Device has no gamesense and is dumb af lmao
2018-12-20 14:37
nt, but i'm sure u can do better than that... Give it your all next time, show them how much shit you really got stored up
2018-12-20 15:35
#330
Xyp9x | 
Other Zyncc 
rekt. +1111
2018-12-21 13:50
No Ninja numba one.
2018-12-21 22:03
ye
2018-12-22 01:27
#59
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Denmark blue_sheep 
0/8
2018-12-20 14:40
#63
NiKo | 
Belgium ZxTox 
Guardian consistent over all his career device got even worse than he was
2018-12-20 14:41
#64
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Denmark blue_sheep 
0/8
2018-12-20 14:42
#65
NiKo | 
Belgium ZxTox 
dupreeh > device
2018-12-20 14:42
#76
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Denmark blue_sheep 
not in my opinion. but dupreeh is a really good player. should be in the top 10 of 2018
2018-12-20 14:47
#79
NiKo | 
Belgium ZxTox 
he should be top 1 he is insane. Despite being an entry-fragger that's why his stats suck and most of the entry-fraggers have bad stats thats why no one wants to be an entry fragger
2018-12-20 14:48
#249
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Denmark MeToxi 
That is why there is a dtraded stat. To show the entryfraggers effect and impact on a given round.
2018-12-20 20:07
#326
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
golden > dupreeh > device
2018-12-21 13:45
#434
way2sexy | 
Slovakia Akos 
golden top3 entry fragger of all time
2018-12-22 14:57
#438
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
golden beats dupreeh in 1v1 ez dupreeh and device carried by zonic
2018-12-22 15:14
#271
JZFB | 
Macedonia P3tru5 
THIS YEAR it doesnt matter what happened is the past THIS FUCKING YEAR
2018-12-20 21:48
+1 Guardian is in every top 20 hltv list he is way more consistent than device
2018-12-20 16:29
Device rank 4 rank 4 rank 19 and now rank 1. Where is guardian more consistant? Just look at the facts lmao
2018-12-21 18:33
20, 3, 3, 5
2018-12-22 13:11
10, 11, 2, 17, 9 GUARDIAN (GUARDIAN probably not in top 10 2018) 20, 3 ,3 ,5 , DEVICE (DEVICE 1-2 IN 2018 ) see device top 5 4 years in row. guardian didnt even manage 2 years in row. how is that more consistant
2018-12-22 14:08
#268
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United Kingdom jellywank 
+1
2018-12-20 21:34
+1
2018-12-20 14:18
+1
2018-12-20 14:19
#11
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
what the fuck did i just read im sure you, LightScape from Ukraine knows how to compare s1mples and devices nades,strats (xD player list btw) mindgames (ROFL), communication (yes because u listen to all navi ts vods ) and mindset??? LOL you definitely know this dont you Smart boy. devic should be 1 this yesr because he is a part of the team thats 2x the points more than everyone else????? IT IS A FUCKING P L A Y E R L I S T its not a list for the best player on the best team twitter.com/donhaci/status/1074361878359.. /closed
2018-12-20 14:21
-1
2018-12-20 14:25
/opened Im playing cs since beta, im watching cs since 2013. Every fucking tournament. I can measure it all. Device is better teamplayer - check their result. Devise uses flashes and smokes super good, simple knows 5 smokes per map (zeus vlogs info). Simple gives worst info on the planet (zeus teamspeak vlogs). Simple is super easy to get tilted. Its ot the secret. If u disagree, go and fap on his stats numbers, that are boosted by bots zeus and edward (they said in navi vlog, that they are doing everything for simple to get those kills).
2018-12-20 14:27
#31
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
Yes Yes say whatever bullshit you want i dont think you realise that this is a an HLTV PLAYER RANKING IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT S1MPLE KNOWS ABOUT NADES OR INFO navi vlog, navi vlog that blah blah it means jackshit
2018-12-20 14:31
I still believe simple can get #1 spot. I just try to group all the info that i have. Find some algorithms, by using previous rankings. In 2017 NIKO was better than cold, but... All those vlogs helped to see the picture of the situation. Astralis are wrecking everyone. And device is 1/6 (1/5) of their success. U need to think about that, if u want to rate players.
2018-12-20 14:47
#184
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
what the fuck are you talking about NiKo wasnt better than cold at all.
2018-12-20 16:32
lol, we had similar topics about who will get it.
2018-12-20 16:33
No everyone with a brain knew that nikos slight statistical advantages were not enough to make up for the difference in achievements. This year is much different.
2018-12-20 22:46
device has 3.33x more achievements. And stats difference between dev and s1 is only 0.1. I think its not enough.
2018-12-21 13:34
#344
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
ONLY 0.1???? LMAO 0.1 IS MASSIVE DIPSHIT
2018-12-21 14:22
3.33x more achievements- this is massive blackhole. 0.1 is not that big. Remember, the whole navi team is working for simple tp get ez frags.
2018-12-21 14:30
#350
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
astralis wins way more games, which inflates devices stats also astralis carry device super hard
2018-12-21 15:10
>1.24 rating > getting carried pick one. P.S. his eco frags are already included to that rating, just like simple's.
2018-12-21 18:14
Hes not getting carried but hes certainly benefitting from being on a team that wins more and has better players and a better structure inside and outside of the game and his numbers dont even being to come close to s1mples.
2018-12-21 22:03
he played on the top level more than simple. And he is more consistent overall. Proved by years with different lineups.
2018-12-22 01:26
Really so who has had better overall performances at big events in their career? You literally gave yourself the counterargument in your own comment. Device isnt more consistent than s1mple hes just been at the top level longer. S1mples cumulative performances in all matches are greater than devices both online and on LAN
2018-12-22 05:02
device #20('14), #3('15), #3('16), #5('17) simple #4('16), #8('17) This is the pure definition of consistency. Just facts. U just proved my point. Device managed to get top 20 spots being on the top cs level. And simple appeared as a tier 1 player only in liquid period.
2018-12-22 14:09
Need I remind you s1mple came onto the scene after device and is 3 years younger? That's not being more consistent that's being at the top level for longer. S1mple during his pro career is more consistent.
2018-12-22 18:27
simple started his career with everyone else. Age is not important. He was toxic. That was the main reason he wasnt on top back then.
2018-12-22 19:55
Toxic and still was amazingly individually just not on a top team. You're now bringing up things that have nothing to do with consistency. If device was more consistent hed have better ratings not better placements that's about the team around you.
2018-12-22 20:11
Read my main point again. Toxicity is also can be uset to rate players. It influences team spirit, which is super important. Why da fuq everyone is talking only about the stats.
2018-12-22 20:35
Yes it does but that has nothing to do with consistency. Consistency is about performance
2018-12-22 23:12
U admited my point once again.
2018-12-23 01:04
Nope because s1mples overall performances > devices overall performances therefore he is consistently better than device
2018-12-23 03:13
I have pure numbers. Its fucking obvious who is more consistent.
2018-12-29 16:40
2018-12-29 22:06
simple was absent on the 2013-15 top lists. Super consistent. He started playing cs go like everyone did. So no excuse for that.
2018-12-29 22:49
Consistency has nothing to do with when you started, only what youve done since then. And top lists are also success based or at least your team needs to be able to make it to big events consistently, f3 and hr could not. His individual consistency has always been higher than devices since he started, the quality of teams hes on has not which is why he did not appear in the rankings. I've given you the stats multiple times now and you continue to ignore them in lieu of irrelevant comparisons such as top 20s and tournament wins.
2018-12-29 23:15
Device played in a fucking copengagen voles team. So he started with bad teams as well. Simple played in HR and F3 (those teams were like top10-15) so its not an excuse. I just posted the fucking fact. Device is constantly in top ratings since his start. That is the best proof of players consistensy.
2018-12-29 23:33
.1 is literally the difference between device and sunny who isn't even top 10 lol. I'll just do the research for you as I always do. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. The difference in KPR is equal to the difference between device and ropz The difference in impact is equal to device to smooya Achievements are team based they are factored in last as long as your numbers are vs relevant competition get that thru your skull
2018-12-21 22:02
remember. He is 1/5 (1/6) of the team. He is a big part of their success. There are so many categories u cant measure. That is why achievements are also used as a criteria. Because they can somehow rate those aspects. For example. Device uses nades perfectly. But how can u rate a smoke or molly (damage is not the main function of the molly)? So achievements are important. I've said it million times. It all depends on hltv and how they will approach it. If #1 consists of 40-50% of achievements means device will be top1, otherwise its simple.
2018-12-22 01:24
Well its NEVER been under 50% for stats/MVPs/records And yes that should count for something but even if it was an exact 50/50 split s1mple would win. The only way device wins is if they favor achievements over performances.
2018-12-22 05:00
50/50 = device wins. 3.33x achievements > 0.1 rating
2018-12-22 14:05
No it doesnt. .1 rating is literally the biggest difference between any two spots ever.
2018-12-22 18:28
same with achievements.
2018-12-22 19:55
Nah 2015 hltv.org/news/16863/top-20-players-of-20.. hltv.org/news/16848/top-20-players-of-20.. Pretty much the same exact story but guardians year wasnt anywhere near as impressive as s1mples
2018-12-22 20:14
players like JW with 1.03 rating in top 10. Achievements do matter. We will know how valuable they are after 2018 rating. Because we have unordinary situation. device >> so many achievements, 2+points on hltv (that never happened before) vs simple >> top performance (probably didnt happen as well) PS How many times should I repeat its anyones. Only HLTV knows it for sure.
2018-12-22 20:45
You realize the average rating of players has both went up and changed because of the introduction of rating 2.0 right? 1.03 was decent back then in 1.0 now it's pretty mediocre
2018-12-22 23:15
And I never said they didn't matter, have you seen my thread? hltv.org/forums/threads/1943748/hltv-top..
2018-12-22 23:16
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2017-01.. NiKo wasn't better than cold.
2018-12-22 15:14
list with zywoo top1. PS cold was the biggest joke of top20 rating. no Taco - no cold. He is good. But he baited so much... Fallen wanted to kick that shit from the team. He was the one who trades teammates, gets eco frags, saves in stupid situations, always the last man alive. he is (was) average 1.16 player without his baits. But this is another topic. Niko was better than cold in the individual category of that year. U can check it. He was better in more than a half individual categories. Few more SK achievements decided, who will be top1. that is why i am so sure, simple can take #1 spot. Just 3.33x more trophies, its insane.
2018-12-22 15:30
"Niko was better than cold in the individual category of that year. U can check it. He was better in more than a half individual categories." > You're wrong. NiKo wasn't better than cold in individual categories that year. And yes, I checked it for coldzera: >>1.20 rating in Finals of Big Events - #1 >>75.9% KAST - #1 >>"The Brazilian star also had the lowest deaths per round ratio (0.59,), the highest kill-death difference (+948,), and the most 1vsX situations won, (72). He was second in kills per round (0.82) and had the third-highest percentage of multi-kill rounds in 2017 at 20.8%. All these stats attest to him being the most efficient player of the year as well as one of the most impactful." >>1.24 rating in Big Events - #1 >> 948 KD difference - #1 >> 1.29 T-side rating - #1 Yeah, no. You're spewing nonsense. Cold was the clear #1 Player of 2017. I love NiKo to death but #2 was the right spot for him. "Few more SK achievements decided, who will be top1. that is why i am so sure, simple can take #1 spot. Just 3.33x more trophies, its insane." > Here's what you got wrong: it wasn't just a "few more" SK achievements that gave cold the #1 place. He had 5 MVPs as opposed to NiKo's 2 (device's 7 and s1mple's 6 is a much closer affair.) He was clear #1 in many stats categories. Alongside all that of course, he had 8 trophies. "PS cold was the biggest joke of top20 rating. no Taco - no cold. He is good. But he baited so much... Fallen wanted to kick that shit from the team." > Source? Or did you pull this from your ass because it sounds like so. Again, this is just your opinion and quite frankly, it sounds like your average HLTV user's and not the experience CS fan you claim to be. Kicking your star player? Nice joke. And how did you even arrive at the number 1.16 for "non-baiting cold" anyways? Mate, I understand that we have all bias, and there's nothing inherently wrong about it, but it becomes a problem when it blinds you from reality.
2018-12-22 15:53
hltv.org/stats/players/individual/9216/c.. hltv.org/stats/players/individual/3741/N.. I was talking about individual category. Simple has 3 deserved mvp's, 2 stolen mvp's, one useless mvp. device has 6 tier 1 mvp's, major mvp. I think, that difference is big enough. Simple has only 3 decent tourneys (starladder is mehhhh, but ok.) device has 3.33x more wins (with major win). I need your steam profile to understand who you are. Seems like u dont realy understand, how many matches i've watched. Cold is good for sure. But not good enough for his rating 2.0 in 2017. Why do u think the whole community calls him baitzera. Where did it come from and why is that so popular? Lol i just checked his current stats (1.18) close to what i said. He is worse without taco. Its a fact. I dont blame him, because its the way SK played. And yeah. Fallen wanted to kick cold in the summer. That is another fact. Cold was ready to leave this autmn. But MIBR showed some good fights against ast, + 1/ 2 of major (won against coL), so they decided to save this lineup. SK had 6 decent wins (8 overall) vs FaZe 5 decent (6 overall). So yeah, as i said few events difference. SK was a little bit better than Faze in 2017. SK had the good number of points at the start of he year, which helped them later. So cold is deserved #1.
2018-12-22 16:36
nice comeback... not
2018-12-20 14:48
#188
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
come cry in my hands when s1mple gets #1
2018-12-20 16:33
All decpends on percentage. If 50% achievements >> device top1 if 40% achievements > device top1 if 30% achievements dev/s1 if 70%+ Stats its simple
2018-12-20 16:44
You have to explain your thoughts behind this, because this doesn't make any sense...
2018-12-23 12:27
its the percentage of the parts, that have influence to the rating.
2018-12-29 16:41
teamplayer > tilting stat padder
2018-12-20 15:07
+1
2018-12-20 15:54
#186
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
'stat padder' lul what is device then
2018-12-20 16:33
probably top1 this year.
2018-12-20 16:37
A team player, lul
2018-12-20 16:38
carry > teamplayer nt
2018-12-20 18:41
Not working on high level cs nt
2018-12-20 18:43
your delusional. 2nd best team in the world has CLEARLY got there by winning t3 events against terrible teams. NO! are you stupid they had to have done something at the big events to even make top 5 so shut up
2018-12-20 18:56
u obv are a new, cuz u have no clue how the rankings work thats clear from ur comments
2018-12-20 18:38
#233
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
you're literally a meme come cry to me when device is #2
2018-12-20 19:00
Well, at least everyone who follows these top lists knows that simple can’t be top1.
2018-12-20 20:22
#255
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
he will though
2018-12-20 20:23
oh really?
2019-03-08 03:25
I really don't care how long you've been watching or playing CS, your opinion is still just an opinion and saying you "can measure it all" is laughable because HLTV themselves can't even measure every aspect of a player's performance. "Device uses flashes and smokes super good, simple knows 5 smokes per map (zeus vlogs info). Simple gives worst info on the planet (zeus teamspeak vlogs). Simple is super easy to get tilted. Its ot the secret." > s1mple is not bad at using utility, and device isn't even known for excellent utility usage (Astralis as a whole are). Also, you don't post godlike stats like that in Tier 1 CS without knowing how to use grenades well; it just doesn't work that way. Getting tilted easily is not a sign of a bad player, and a patient one isn't necessarily a better player either. I'm pretty sure NiKo's #2 placement last year didn't take into account his competitive personality. Personality != A player's worth. Lastly, giving info is only one of many, many aspects of a good player and if you have to pick that out as evidence of device > s1mple, then I don't know what to say. I can also cite s1mple's superior playmaking ability to device's and use that as evidence as well. "If u disagree, go and fap on his stats numbers, that are boosted by bots zeus and edward (they said in navi vlog, that they are doing everything for simple to get those kills)." > This is not a sound argument and only one way to look at the big picture. You can also post an equally strong argument that Zeus and Edward's stats are boosted because s1mple wins them more rounds with his miraculous plays which results in more frags (especially eco/easy frags) everyone. Or you could also argue against the "non-fragging teammates = better opportunity for high stats for s1mple" statement by pointing out that it's not exactly easy to get frags with shittier teammates. > Additionally, since you cited a NaVi vlog as evidence of s1mple having "everything done by this teammates for him to get kills", you can check out this link and see that the same case can be made for device as well (go to 36 seconds): youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3qk4LEF0M "We set him up for every position he (device) wants"....wow devve such support much boosted Your argument in this thread, as it seems, is based more on personal opinion, cherrypicked details/observations and bold (and false) generalizations than actual facts and sound argument than you might have initially though.
2018-12-22 15:37
I've posted answer for similar comment. Some of the aspects of the game cant be measured. How can u rate smokes or mollies (not damage, but tactical value). Those categories, i mentioned in my first comment, can be measured by achievements. Because team dominance is created by nades, strats, communication, info, mental mood. Astrais is the good example (they were killed by clown9 players on aim map). Winning is not only about killing. Simple is super bad at using his nades properly. He knows few smokes per map, gives bad and loud info, tilts, relies only on his aim (he can play safely, but no, he dont want to play smart. He goes for reckless wide peeks all the time. But his 16 000 hours aim saves him). " you can check out this link and see that the same case can be made for device as well (go to 36 seconds):" I know, that device can choose his position. Because every fucking sniper must change it. Its the main thing you need to do to be a good sniper. Simple does that too. I was talking about complete simple's team assist. They have told, that literaly everyone in navi tries to get that kill for him. Simple is the one, they want to keep alive as long as possible. So he trades, goes for eco frags, stays the last man standing. His stats are partly boosted by his team. but astralis players are all good. So there is no reason to play for one player like navi do. Infact device has less kills to find, cuz his teammates at least are killing someone all the time. VLOGS. This is the good source of info. I calculated probability of those vlogs being uncorrect. Percentage is realy low. U can read it in my comment #201. I recalculated it once more, just to be sure. So the percentage, that those vlogs dont represent the reality is 0.5x0.5x0.5x0.5x0.5 (~3%). After that being said, I can consider vlogs as one on my sources. As I said before. I still believe that simple can get #1 spot. I would not be surprised at all. The only reason im talking with all of you is, that I want to create a big thread. I want people to know, that this game is not only flashy kills.
2018-12-22 16:11
Pure stat porn, this game is not about stats...
2018-12-20 15:06
#182
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
apart from the fact the hltv top 20 ranking is though
2018-12-20 16:31
You know achievements is more important than rating for them, right? They also take into account the amount of games in big events playoffs.
2018-12-20 23:10
#293
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
'You know achievements is more important than rating for them, right?' it has absoultely no factor in a player list 'They also take into account the amount of games in big events playoffs.' yes they do and what? lol
2018-12-20 23:13
' it has absoultely no factor in a player list“ What? You mean, in your opinion, right? Because hltv ranking always takes this into consideration. The amount of finals and semi finals that Astralis got in big events is way above NaVi, so they played more games against stronger opponents. Thats all.
2018-12-20 23:19
#297
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
if a player has helped a team reach 1st in an event and the player has a high rating of course that is a factor. but its like saying the whole c9 squad should be top 10 cus they all won the major, achievements alone mean nothing
2018-12-20 23:24
The comparison with c9 is stupid, they achieved one big event and nothing else.
2018-12-20 23:39
#305
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
but they won one of the biggest events in the year ?? surely they should have good placements if they won that? if s1mple won no events in the year i would understand the outrage against him being top1, but its just false, s1mple lead navi to 4 event wins
2018-12-20 23:45
Stop playing dumb. Try to understand the other instead of trying to dumb down the argument.
2018-12-21 01:20
Why then fiffy wasn't top 20 in 2014 when he won major huh?
2018-12-21 18:37
You guys knows the answer but likes to play dumb to “prove” a point. Believe whatever you want.
2018-12-21 19:34
Dude you are just so stupid man :D Says everything so Dev1ce gets upper hand.
2018-12-22 13:35
nt zeus
2018-12-20 15:37
#250
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Denmark MeToxi 
I'm gonna have to agree with you here. Device is one of my favourite players but I think it is unreasonable to say that he is top 1 this year. Stuff like communication and mindset is things that is impossible to measure. Same as igl calls is immeasurable. I'd like the player ranking to be ranked with solid information, not speculations. I still think device should be 2nd, not 3rd because of the difference in team placements between niko and device. Now, I know a lot will say that team placements shouldn't count but remember this. The logic goes like this: the better the teams places, the better the teams they play. EDIT: autocorrect edits
2018-12-20 20:17
#253
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
+1
2018-12-20 20:22
#298
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
This is a players so team placements should be completely irrelevant. You play good teams in group stages anyway.
2018-12-20 23:37
#300
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Denmark MeToxi 
I never said that it was the team placements in itself. I said that it was what the team placements represent. The better your team places, the better enemy teams you defeat, ergo your stats is more impressive because you perform well against better teams. That is how the logic goes.
2018-12-20 23:41
#455
gla1ve | 
Denmark topres 
+1 s1mple doesn't have that much better stats than dev1ce against top 5 opponents.
2018-12-22 20:17
#302
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Denmark MeToxi 
And just to add. If you beat good teams in group stage they're often more likely to not make it which ultimately shows that they're probably not as good as we thought. I never said the logic was perfect but that is how it goes.
2018-12-20 23:42
Its actually fucking hilarious how many of those arguments I've researched and typed out myself on this site
2018-12-20 22:42
#513
Thorin | 
Sweden toddn 
+1
2018-12-29 17:06
#12
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France Leskines 
0/8
2018-12-20 14:23
#14
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Ukraine volanchick 
If you really measure points, check this: Everyone from Astralis deserved each MVP because they work as a perfect team. Everyone works hard to make the win, not only device. Everyone is good enough consistent to win many tournaments in a row. This means each player brought 200 points to a team, 1000 in summary. Na'Vi has the only one decider to win, it's s1mple. Yes, Na'vi won couple matches with s1mple bottomfragging, but it's only <5% of matches. s1mple is decider for Na'Vi. There is close electronic to make the game, but he is not as s1mple yet. So s1mple brought to Na'Vi every point they have, 478 currently. 478 > 200 s1mple #1 /close
2018-12-20 14:24
Na'Vi would be nothing if they didn't have both Elec and s1mple it's definitely not just s1mple
2018-12-20 14:26
#28
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Ukraine volanchick 
Yes, maybe I was too fast with giving all the points for s1mple. Even with your case divide for both s1mple and electronic: 239 for s1mple and 239 for electronic. 239 > 200
2018-12-20 14:30
#137
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Belgium 69Savage 
Idiotic logic lmao
2018-12-20 15:37
#168
device | 
Denmark AwzuuM 
no its just 3rd world logic
2018-12-20 16:06
#176
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Ukraine volanchick 
flairs checks out
2018-12-20 16:20
I’m from a third world country and my logic is not that idiotic. This is something below, like minecraft kid logic.
2018-12-20 23:13
#175
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Ukraine volanchick 
flairs checks out
2018-12-20 16:20
u have no brain, an simple wont get nr 1. im sry to tell u. the other ukranien is spot on
2018-12-20 18:40
Come cry here fam when s1mple get #1
2018-12-20 19:56
that is not how it works.
2018-12-20 14:52
Na'Vi also setting everything up for Simple to shine and get frags, not the same with Device in Astralis
2018-12-20 15:38
#177
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Ukraine volanchick 
No. /close flair checks out
2018-12-20 16:20
How can you say something so stupid? This game is a team game... There is 5 people in a team no matter how you bend it!
2018-12-20 21:14
#267
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Ukraine volanchick 
flair checks out
2018-12-20 21:29
I have no flair? and I think simple is a better player than device but your argumentation is really bad bad bad bad...
2018-12-20 21:35
Sorry your argumentation is not bad it is actually closer to being an imbecile trying to tell us that his favourite team is the best...
2018-12-20 22:00
How do you know that his info is the worst in the world? Have u played with him? No.. Device's gf said s1mple is the best, will that change your opinion? No, it isnt relevant, and neither is a washed up 1.6 player's opinion Its stupid that s1mple got 2 mvps without winning events? That makes it even better, the award is called Most Valuable Player and not MVP of the winning team.. When talking about device's mvps, u probably know that the only MVP he got that was even close to one of s1mple's was Blast Istanbul S1mple holds the record for most clutches in a tournament, has the second most clutches in 2018 and also the biggest opening kills % AT THE SAME TIME. Dupreeh entries for device, opens up half of the map for him, he has gla1ve and zonic behind him as the masterminds, Magisk holds his back and xyp9x closes rounds. s1mple has electronic. Nothing else. So please, if anyone from Astralis deserves no1 spot, it wouldnt be device.. stop it.. its sad already, and even sadder is your post with only braindead astralis fans replying to it
2018-12-20 14:27
i watched all of their vlogs and zues's teamspeak vlogs. I know, what im talking about.
2018-12-20 14:30
Ok i wasted all my time it seems,i got baited..
2018-12-20 14:57
'S1mple holds the record for most clutches in a tournament, has the second most clutches in 2018 and also the biggest opening kills % AT THE SAME TIME.' Not saying you're wrong here, but do u have a link to prove that the beat Xyp9x in that tournament where he did 100x clutches? :) 'Dupreeh entries for device, opens up half of the map for him, he has gla1ve and zonic behind him as the masterminds, Magisk holds his back and xyp9x closes rounds. s1mple has electronic. Nothing else.' Really dude, are u trying to bait or be taken serious? In fact you're saying that Electronic cant entry, that zeus and na'vi coach whoever that is, is clueless and braindead, since its a help for Device but not for Simple. Magisk holds Device's back? where does that even comes from, Magisk mostly plays solo positions.. If anyone is getting help from the team then its Simple, since everyone in Na'vi is doing everything to set simple up for all plays and frags, that surely doesnt happen in Astralis. Got more weird points to come up with?
2018-12-20 15:45
this hurts my brain, OFC device has so much more support behind him. You are blind to not see it. Device has zonic working 24/7 to get device in the best positions to get kills and all the other team mates play for him. s1mple has no one getting him into the best position (whilst Zeus and Ed-bot try but they don't) , he does it himself with not much support from any other players. The fact that he got such great stats without their help and support and now, NiKo's stats are higher than devices as well tells you something. If Na'vi won as many events as Astralis would device still have more MVPs? no clearly not because his team mates are capable of stepping up and getting one. Device doesn't carry like Niko and s1mple, he just has a better team so when you watch device get those amazing stats, watch the rounds where he gets the most kills and i bet you'll see that he actually was set up by his team mates. OK so electronic is good too. He is inconsistent and doesn't always perform so s1mple is solo hard carrying at least 60% of the time and has more impact even when electronic is fragging. so any argument that electronic helps him is irrelavent. As already stated it is ludicrous that he could have 2 MVPs without his team winning the event and only one of 2 to ever win 3 MVPs (late last year was the other one) without his team winning the event. Device wouldn't even be brought into question if Astralis didn't win events. He would have won none if Astralis had lost events. Imagine a bike on a hill. device is just riding down on "Astralis" (picture it as a super light bike) but s1mple has to carry his team on a bike up a hill and yet s1mple still has gone further.
2018-12-20 18:54
#257
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Denmark MeToxi 
70% is outright wrong or simply speculations, 25 is lacking sources and 5% is correct. You can't just make up arguments, you needed to research for them. If I wasn't on my phone then I'd probably take time to counter argue with simple logic and sources.
2018-12-20 20:30
"this hurts my brain, OFC device has so much more support behind him. You are blind to not see it. Device has zonic working 24/7 to get device in the best positions to get kills and all the other team mates play for him." <- wow your really delusional. Astralis do not work for 1 player. They work for the team and to win. Maybe if Navi tried the same they would be more successful. But they are not - maybe you figure it out
2018-12-20 21:39
another one that has no clue how the ranking works, all u said pretty much tells u why dev1ce will get it.
2018-12-20 18:41
Come up with some counter arguments then bigboi.
2018-12-20 19:57
You are wrong, but too stupid to realize it.
2018-12-20 14:27
lol.
2018-12-20 14:28
Keep your humor up, because i'd be sad if that text came out of my hands and brain. lmao Also you seem to "know" stuff from the inside, or as i call it- bullshit
2018-12-20 14:29
i gave u profs, u gave me nothing. YEah, im laughing.
2018-12-20 14:29
you gave me 5% cancer from reading this.. but i smoke weed so im safe
2018-12-20 14:30
as u say
2018-12-20 14:32
Of course it's as i said you pathetic kid
2018-12-20 15:14
Since when kids are 21y.o
2018-12-20 15:15
Mentally you are 12 years old. Staying alive for 21 years did not help you in any way.
2018-12-20 15:16
There is one fact. Almost every time the guy, who is arguing about the age - is a kid))
2018-12-20 15:18
"Since when kids are 21y.o" you started arguing, i stated a fact. so thanks for proving you are indeed dumb and young
2018-12-20 15:22
u started it, not me. U baited urself. #101
2018-12-20 15:30
Well, it was kind of you who started it...
2018-12-23 12:49
sry to tell u but u are wong here an the ukranien has u by the balls . he is one of the only ones who seems to have a clue how these rankings work.
2018-12-20 18:42
+1
2018-12-20 16:26
#21
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Russia mnight 
A lot of suggestions without real proofs while in fact "Reply needs to have actual content".
2018-12-20 14:27
u are from Russia. Please, go and check all their vlogs. That would be enough to understand, who the fuck simple is.
2018-12-20 14:29
#36
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Ukraine volanchick 
You are really mad.
2018-12-20 14:33
Why should i be mad. Using "fuck" in my sentence is called "being mad"?
2018-12-20 14:35
#45
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Ukraine volanchick 
No. Just by your reaction about flag.
2018-12-20 14:35
I dont care about the flag. Why do u think so?
2018-12-20 14:36
I referenced, that he is from the russian speaking country, so he can understand, what they are talking about in those vlogs.
2018-12-20 14:38
im impressed by u. ur arguments are solid an ur right. dont let these simple fanboys get 2 u. keep going!
2018-12-20 18:44
thx
2018-12-20 18:44
solid arguments xD he puts device over s1mple cause of: - mindset (omegalul) - nades (triplelul) - strats (intergalacticlul) The only reason why device should be over s1mple cause he has a better team around him and has won a lot of trophies that are team's effort, while s1mple's stats (overall\big events\majors\opening kills\cluthes) are miles ahead despite having 2 worst players in top 10 teams and the most inconsistent player ever - flamie
2018-12-20 20:26
I think he does that cause kids on here can't understand anything on hltv other than low tier pugs and since s1mple plays like a pug master he is their overlord but anyway those other things make your team successful not your stats. I personally don't care anymore who gets top 1 it's meaningless. At the end of the day all these NiKo, s1mple, coldzera etc can have all their stats but they can't do shit against Astralis so from a Astralis fans perspective (me) I don't really consider those players as good as others cause I watch Astralis shit on them all year and make them look way lower than they do against other teams, in other words don't believe they hype.
2018-12-20 23:18
The fact not a single astralis player is a washed up 31yo granddaddy makes their team successful unlike navi and not some bullshit about mindset. 5 astralis players out of 5 are in top20 of 2018, astralis is by far the best team of 2018 and they are truly THE TEAM, somehow device fanboys pick him as the best player of the year while he is clearly not And about s1mple, do you expect him to play not a pug style while 2 of his teammates have 0.80 rating and flamie is around 1.0 every match ?
2018-12-21 07:41
Basically this is how it works to me because I don't give 2 shits about stats if you're losing you're not the best nothing more. I mean s1mple could have 2.00+ average rating and I still wouldn't say he's the best, I'm sick of this team bullshit excuse if you were the best player you wouldn't fucking stay in a team you can't win with it's a pure excuse gtfoh with that garbage already. Look at the past winners, GTR, Olof, Coldzera etc it would be a mockery of this game if they gave this kid the rank 1 based on stats alone, all those other guys put their team at the top of the world and again for me when I watch my Astralis game against Na'vi, s1mple looks like another average pro to me, i don't care he's dropping 40 bombs against HR @ LAN for example when he goes head to head with Astralis he's garbage and that's all I see.
2018-12-22 00:02
facts
2018-12-20 14:30
You're so clueless it hurts to read. You're the type of people who think Modric was the best football player in 2018. Give s1mple the same team like Astralis and he would win more tournaments and also MVPs than device. Give device the same team like NaVi and he would win nothing. This is the big difference between both players which you kids don't understand.
2018-12-20 14:32
i dont watch football. Go and fap on simples flashy kills. That is all u can rate.
2018-12-20 14:32
It's also better if you don't watch/play CSGO because it's the wrong game for you.
2018-12-20 14:32
clueless kid, lol. Im watching and playing this game since the beta.
2018-12-20 14:33
Yes exactly kid, since the beta because you're a still a BETA in this game this is why you should stop watching/playing it.
2018-12-20 14:35
And u are OMEGA, lul
2018-12-20 14:35
I'm Alpha since you're so clueless and poor that you must steal my sentence. Now take this L and start with another game because CSGO isn't for you.
2018-12-20 14:37
i can continue that bait forever.
2018-12-20 14:37
You see? You're so clueless that you think you're baiting.
2018-12-20 14:39
reported
2018-12-20 14:38
TAke the L u said to him. i have seen u get destroyed so often here on this site yet u are always delusional. simple dont have the tournament wins to get nr 1 its that simple. no mather how u feel about it
2018-12-20 18:46
You're really dickriding him aren't you hahahahah
2018-12-20 19:58
#38
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Ukraine volanchick 
Nice example.
2018-12-20 14:33
#35
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France GORILLA_BAR 
Ofc Devise is #1 of 2018, he's by far the most impactful player these days with the most synergies with his team mates.
2018-12-20 14:32
#60
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
Xyp9x was the player with the most impact in Astralis. He is the only player you can't replace if you want win tournaments. But NT.
2018-12-20 14:41
#67
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France GORILLA_BAR 
Nt Nt.
2018-12-20 14:42
0/8
2018-12-20 14:34
reported
2018-12-20 14:41
reported
2018-12-20 19:03
#43
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
A long text but you just told "hello I am a device fanboy I love his face and I have no clue about csgo. I am a silver noob" Dupreeh said simple is best for sure. Even Astralis don't believe your bullshit post.
2018-12-20 14:38
Why should i be device fan? Im fan of nrg, lol. I just put all the info together. And that's what i get.
2018-12-20 14:51
#85
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
What Infos? Do you have access to their TeamSpeak or what? You didn't provide a info you just assume.
2018-12-20 14:59
yes. Zeus posted them in his youtube channel.
2018-12-20 15:00
#116
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
he posted all of the whole year and you analyzed them?
2018-12-20 15:24
5 teamspeak is enough to understand how players behave ingame.
2018-12-20 15:34
HAHAHAHAHAHA this must be bait "5 teamspeak is enough to understand how players behave ingame."
2018-12-20 15:36
behaviour is always the same. For example: simple gives his info with megascream. I was in my headphones and almost shit my pants. Those things are constant. U dont need to watch all of them, to understand, that in the rest of them everything will be almost the same. U need to learn math and probabilities. U dont need to be psychologist to admit that.
2018-12-20 15:42
#196
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
If you learn math you know with just 5 samples your mistake probability is fucking high. So dont mention math as argument for your bullshit. It is only against you. Also you dont know why Zeus only uploaded this. He didnt pick randomly he picked with purpose. Your arguments sucks and cant be consider as facts. Even math is against you.
2018-12-20 17:08
U can easily get the 80% of his behaviour. More attempts will just get u few percent of a difference. Which is not that big. After 10 teamspeaks it would be 90%. After 20 ts it will be 99%. After 40 ts it will be 99.99%. After 80 ts difference will be almost impossible to notice. I think that 5-6 teamspeaks is enough to learn players behaviour for like 80%. After 6 teamspeak this number will not grow that much.
2018-12-20 18:17
#200
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
you put random numbers. Haha what a crap. The Binomial distribution doesn't work like that. Also, your sample isn't random. Something that is necessary to make a correct calculation. When they have overall 2000+ TeamSpeak hours. The 5 samples who Zeus showed with a purpose have zero math value.
2018-12-20 18:24
hell no. For example. We have 2000+ ts. We randomly pick 5 of them. What is the chance, that after picking 5 random ts he is screaming in each of them? The probability, that he screams in all other ones is super big. Maybe even more than 80%.
2018-12-20 18:27
#206
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
Zeus didn't choose them randomly. Why you don't understand that?
2018-12-20 18:30
But he didnt pick teamspeaks only to show that simple screams. Im mega sure, that he didnt even think about that. He picked ts, community want him to pick. I doubt, that the parameter of comunity was to give them ts with simple loud info, including the fact, they didn know simple screams.
2018-12-20 18:33
#210
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
your whole argumentation is an assumption.
2018-12-20 18:35
lol, I think u will get statistics clases in ur school or uni. Cuz u dont seem to understant what i am writing.
2018-12-20 18:37
#214
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
you write "i think"...this is an assumption or not?
2018-12-20 18:38
i dont have calculator opened rn. I just know the logic of calculating it. Of course i will not give u certain percentage number without calculator. But its somewhere close around that. Calculator will just give me a litle bit more correct answer.
2018-12-20 18:42
The math in this one is easy. Just. 5 simple vs 5 device = which team wins, he's the best
2018-12-20 18:28
#219
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
if it would be possible
2018-12-20 18:42
his arguments are some of the best i have seen in my 10 years here in -hltv, stop being stupid man.
2018-12-20 18:48
#273
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
You think opinions are valid arguments. You are the guy who believes every word Trump and Putin said.
2018-12-20 22:11
#136
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
5 is a small sample when you consider they have nearly 2000h+ in a year teamspeak used. And what is with Astralis TeamSpeak? I mean you said device would do it better.
2018-12-20 15:37
#143
2018-12-20 15:43
#197
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
If Simple communicate bad =/= Device communicate well. But you say Simple bad= device good.... Where the hell you go to school your logic is awfull. And i always though east european countrys teach math well....
2018-12-20 17:08
U realy need to lear math if u think, that 5 teamspeaks is not enough to understand how player is speaking ingame. After 5 teamspeaks difference will not be that noticeable. In physics the more attempts to measure u do - the more correct vallue u will get. With few attempts (teamspeaks) we can measure it pretty good in terms of life (i think it would be like 80%). More than 5-6 teamspeaks will just improve that value. Certain value is super important in math and physics, but in real life 80% is probably enough to make some conclusions.
2018-12-20 18:24
#204
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
Maybe Zeus thought it was funny to put them online. He chose them to create an image. Marketing work the same. You create an image even it isn't true. You should learn math and how social media and marketing works. You really don't understand the basic but call it 100% prove. Is internet new to you? Also you don't answer about your logic fail "If Simple communicate bad =/= Device communicate well. But you say Simple bad= device good...." That means you talking bullshit all the time.
2018-12-20 18:28
I can prove that device and all astralis team members have super good communication. Otherwise, they wouldnt be so dominant.
2018-12-20 18:30
#208
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
This is no prove. You suck so hard in a debate. You start with math and failed at your first stage of argumentation. You only see the result and think there is only one calculation way. If I say =2 it gives endless ways to the result 2
2018-12-20 18:34
#215
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
Also even if your assumption is right you still don't know that DEVICE communicates well, maybe the 4 others do well and device speak nearly zero. And you still don't know how device communicate. he could scream like simple but Glaive handle it better than Zeus. UHH
2018-12-20 18:39
Why do u think i mentioned strats, communication, mindset, brainplays, nades in the root comment of my topic? Because those aspects are on good point only if u are dominating. In other words. The team, that dominates in that fashion, automaticaly has players with those aspects developed well. Cant be in other way. 2x+points more. I still cant believe that.
2018-12-20 18:47
#274
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
you mention things u cant valid. You only see the results but not the way. They have these "players" but you can't guarantee it is Device. But I will stop now I am tired of this "chat"
2018-12-20 22:15
Sorry, but i'm not agree with you. S1mple has been performing a lot better than dev1ce this year, he might not have that amount of MVP's , but he's a better individual player. So, stop being delusional, this rating not about how many tournaments you won, it's about individual plays. S1mple will be #1 of 2018, come here after the announce of S1mple secures the number one spot, thank you.
2018-12-20 14:37
He's just a clueless kid. Anyone who was clue about CSGO know that s1mple is the real #1 in 2018 no matter how the HLTV aka danish site ranking will be in the end.
2018-12-20 14:39
I've said that million times. He is better in that aspect. But sucks in others.
2018-12-20 14:41
It's a Serbian guy making the ranking.
2018-12-23 13:03
Being the best individual player (have good aim, get many kills) != being #1 in astralis era.
2018-12-20 14:40
I'll catch you up after s1mple gets that #1 spot and then we have a real converstaion.
2018-12-20 14:42
#69
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Spain elskio 
see u in 2020
2018-12-20 14:45
I dont say its not possible. I just say its not that obvious. I t all depends how hltv will be calculating it.
2018-12-20 14:48
s1mple top1 2018 thx for attention
2018-12-20 14:38
U need to have 1.45-1.6 rating in the tournament to get the mvp, when u lost the final (ur opponent must have 1.15). That is how big the difference is. Simple would have to get 1.5 rating to compensate the whole era astralis've created. simple still can get it. I just think how it could be.
2018-12-20 14:57
i dont know where you took these numbers from (why exactly 1.45 and 1.15 lol) but i know that mvps (and especially team titles) dont mean that much and in s1mple/device case they dont mean anything at all i guess, since both of them had enough this year
2018-12-20 15:03
I wanted to say, that u need to have some unreal stats to steal the #1 spot from astralis players. P.S. 1.45 vs 1.15. I was watching some finals. And whis is the average. Simple got mvp with 1.56, Twistzz +-1.45, ISAA is close to that.
2018-12-20 15:13
1.34 2.0 rating vs 1.24 during whole year is unreal enough
2018-12-20 15:18
nope.
2018-12-20 18:54
oke
2018-12-20 19:09
Yes it is when you factor in all the records s1mple broke
2018-12-20 22:33
ceh9 (famous youtuber) you mean
2018-12-20 14:54
He is stupid as shit. But still, he understands that, team achievements also can be used for rating.
2018-12-20 14:59
if you talk about s1mple, yeah, he's kinda stupid, even triple digits is not enough to count how many rounds NaVi have lost due his stupid peeks and unnecessary aim duels, player with this attitude can't be top 1, but fuckin ECOvice on number 1 player spot??? bitch please, that's a shame for CS:GO
2018-12-20 15:05
U cant rely on ur skill only. U have stats to rate skill, but u havent any measure to rate teamplay, brainplays, nades, strats. But all of these things are proved by their wins.
2018-12-20 15:09
and i was talking about ceh9. Simple is not stupid, but is not smart as well.
2018-12-20 15:10
his stats = shit, 20-30% impactful kills, rest - eco and exit frags dev1ce MVPs = boosting stats on tier 2-3 teams in the group stage and getting carried by Xyp9x, dupreeh and Gla1ve in finals (most of the times) and then getting MVP for stats NARROWLY above his teammates overall
2018-12-20 15:15
lol. That is why device has lower rating than simple. Eco kills dont boost ur rating that much. PS simple is always the last man standing, and always swaps the good gun to farm on eco.
2018-12-20 15:20
man, im not defend s1mple, i don't give a shit about him, but dev1ce on number 1 player spot = disgrace for HLTV btw s1mple stats >>> dev1ce's s1mple raw skill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dev1ce's dev1ce gamesense > s1mple's dev1ce MVP's (amount, not the quality) >> s1mple's
2018-12-20 15:26
#117
2018-12-20 15:31
Idk what you mean with game sense, device has done like, a maximum of 10 clutches throughout the year. surely if he had better game sense than simple he would've done some more, no? :o
2018-12-20 23:40
Clutches are only a small part of game sense...
2018-12-23 13:08
Still a big part of it, and device doesnt have a single bit of it xd
2018-12-23 16:09
I mean a single bit of the clutchiness * not gamesense, he got good gamesense, he knows when to peek and when not to :P
2018-12-23 16:09
But it's not an important part of his role. Usually when he is 1 v x his role is to save the awp. That's why he usually never clutches... and I agree he's bad at it.
2018-12-23 19:12
hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. and watch this if you care about stats that much
2018-12-20 15:17
rating consists of two parts. Personal stats and Achievements. It all depends what percentage will hltv give to that parts. Ach: device>>>>>>simple Stats: simple>>device. simple is 1 in almost every cadegory, but device is alse there. Its not like simple is top1 everywhere and device is not even close in any of it. Besides that. In NAVI vlog zeus and edward have told, that they do everything for simple to get a kill (baits with a fire, gives him a trade, flash assistance...) Device fights for frags against 4 supreme aimers. PS that is ration on big events only. On overal rating Zywoo is on the top. Should we give him the #1? lol
2018-12-20 15:28
Stats simple >>>>>>>> device Ach: Device >>>>>>>> simple Simples stats is way ahead of devices, just as device achievements is way ahead of simples.
2018-12-23 16:10
Ok, I understand ur point. I disagree, but who cares.
2018-12-29 16:43
"Device >>>>>> simple. Nades, strats (zonic teached him), mindgames, communication, mindset, info. Simpe is just terrible in all of these aspects. " How do you know that?
2018-12-20 14:59
#93
2018-12-20 15:05
#90
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Kazakhstan hypraaxfnx 
+1000 for that statement
2018-12-20 15:02
im glad that are some people that know, how to use brain properly.
2018-12-20 15:05
#92
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Denmark tsdrummer1 
I'm a pretty big Astralis fan and really hope that Device get no1, but i doupt that. S1mple has been a beast this year! Device is good but he plays of he's team. If he didn't have as good teammate as he have right now he wouldn't get all them mvp's. S1mple is carring NaVi. He is just a beast. Astralis is the best team because all of the them is pretty good, but no of them should be no1. No one of them do the same job as S1mple does. #1 S1mple #2 Device
2018-12-20 15:04
+1 Exactly this ^
2018-12-20 15:38
You got a point, but still Na'vi also does everything, every plays every strat to set Simple up to shine and get frags, it's not the same in Astralis, i seriously doubt Simple could do the same in a team where he had to be a teammate and not the star player with 4 supports^^
2018-12-20 15:53
#161
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Denmark tsdrummer1 
True, the 2 player are hard to compare because they are 2 diffenret players who play diffenret in there teams.
2018-12-20 16:01
Totally agree with this. I also agree that s1mple should be - and will probably be #1 and device #2. But I don't like the way some people argue that "device is in a better team, so s1mple deserves it more". You could make the opposite argument that device is part of the reason, that Astralis is such a well oiled machine and winning so many tournaments. And maybe there's a reason s1mple has never been part of a dominant team..?
2018-12-23 13:37
+1000000
2018-12-20 16:31
how do you know that device wouldn't perform as well as he does now without his teammates? He is the only player from astralis who has been in the top 5 every year since 2015 (two times 3rd and one time 5th). So even when Astralis aren't playing well, he's still their best player. This clearly shows his consistency, and keep in mind that Astralis had been no where near as dominant those years as they have been this year. So yeah, device #1 is obvious and goddamn well deserved
2018-12-20 16:25
agree
2018-12-20 16:33
And how do you know simple wouldn't Play 100 times better than device? Fanboy.
2018-12-20 23:43
#325
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
Because device didnt prove himself in another team. And when you say he plays good there is zero difference to an NBK or KennyS. If you say S1mple plays good it is like Coldzera good days but a lot better.
2018-12-21 13:42
i agree with the first part, even though that he has played under to different IGLs and they have made a few roster changes over the last couple of years. I dont understand what you mean with the NBK and KennyS comparison though. All i'm saying is that i dont completely agree with people when they say device cant play without his teammates. He has always been top-fragging, even when Astralis were shit (or at least not any way near as good as they are now) But yeah, i would love to see device play for a different team, like Faze or Liquid
2018-12-21 16:28
i can see that in the game. While simple gets clutches because of his insane aim, device wins rounds with mind and nades. The best example. mirage. Mibr(ct) vs ast(t). 2 astralis players (dev, xyp) planted the bomb vs 3 ct's. They are locked on ramp. Mibr has smoke to cut them off. Device throws his own smoke between tetris and palace. He won some room to breathe and killed mibr through his own smoke. I was so shocked.
2018-12-20 15:14
#115
Aleksib | 
Finland xore1 
"I was so shocked" LUL
2018-12-20 15:23
That round was literaly over for them.
2018-12-20 15:32
This thread is about players, not teams. s1mple > device anyway
2018-12-20 15:32
That is the pure example, how u win impossible rounds with utility and brain.
2018-12-20 15:35
Do you want me to make a 2h video of simple doing sht like u just described? lmao
2018-12-20 23:43
im watching simple since the start of his career. Havent seen that at all. Can u link me the moment (not from his streams, but from lan's). ty
2018-12-21 14:14
You have obviously not watched him at all, stop fake flagging and stop baiting. Do you think simple would for an example has most clutches on big events(overall too) (except xyp now, from the last 2 events) by just aim? You should try to get some IQ.
2018-12-21 15:06
lol, im from Ukraine. Ivano-Frankivska oblast'. Im watching cs since 2013 almost every fucking tournament. Believe me, I've seen everything. He wins those clutches by the unreal aim not with brain. Sorry for hurting ur feelings. I clearly can see, that u are simple fan. U just reply for every fucking comment. Seems like u cant live, knowing, there's someone, who doesn't suck simple's dick, because of his flashy plays.
2018-12-21 18:11
ur one of the biggest device dickriders I've seen, yet u try to hide your bias lmao
2018-12-22 04:15
what a stupid topic. we are talking about players. players!!! players!!!!!! not teams. astralis > navi. astralis > any team. /closed s1mple > device. s1mple > any player. /closed wtf r u talking about titles? titles = team. r u stupid and dont understand this?
2018-12-20 15:17
+1, that guy is stupid as hell.
2018-12-20 15:32
+1
2018-12-20 15:32
nice to see you confirmed that
2018-12-20 15:35
device is 1/6 (1/5) of astralis success, lol. U need to count that.
2018-12-20 15:33
How did you count that? Im going to do that again.
2018-12-20 15:35
he is one of the players of the team. I wrote 1/6, cuz i count zonic as well. Simple will be like 1/4 of navi success. But it is nothing.
2018-12-20 15:38
S1mple is like 3/5 of Navis success. Kane does fuck all now and hes carrying deadweight fraggers edward and zeus
2018-12-20 22:32
#420
2018-12-22 14:27
Uh on days where electronic doesn't show up, he's like 4/5 of NaVi's success lol
2018-12-22 14:20
Its not how it works. 5/5 means simple is playing alone against 5 players (simple cant win a single round 1v5). 4/5 means he plays with edward only. 3/5 he is playing with zeus and Edward, 2/5 +flamie, 1/5 + elec. I gave him not 1/5 but 1/4, which is more than enough. edward had 1.01 rating, zeus had 0,9, flamie 1.08, elec 1.25 without their poor stats simple will not win 1v5.
2018-12-22 14:27
I didn't mean that literally but sure I'll double down. He's actually 4.5/5 of NaVi's success on days where his teammates don't show up. I don't know how many matches I've seen this year where s1mple was posting 1.20+ rating while none of his teammates were even above/barely at 1.0.
2018-12-22 14:36
1.2 rating literaly means, that he can kill one guy for himself (1.0) and sometimes get another kill for his teammates (0.2).
2018-12-22 14:38
No, it doesn't. Rating != KD HLTV's 2.0 rating takes many factors into account including ADR, clutches, damage dealt, opening kills and more. hltv.org/news/20695/introducing-rating-2..
2018-12-22 14:40
Rating 1.0 was based on KD mainly. simple's rating 1.0 is 1.20 With rating 2.0 2.01 i can consider him as a 2/5 of the team.
2018-12-22 14:43
Again, that's not true. HLTV hasn't been using 1.0 rating in matches for years now and definitely not in 2018. So there is no such thing as Rating 1.0 for s1mple this year. All these measurements you're coming up with are arbitrary as best.
2018-12-22 14:44
hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple If u dont like 1.0 raing, just use K/D its 1.29 1.29 means he is playing like 1, 1/3 persons
2018-12-22 14:57
Why would I use 1.0 or K/D when HLTV gives me 2.0
2018-12-22 18:29
Dont use KD. Use rating 2.0 But the answer will be the same. 1.29KD and 1.32 rat2.0 Its still like 1, 1/3 persons.
2018-12-22 19:58
No because you need to factor in the range of rating 2.0 The vast majority of pros range from about .85 to 1.2. S1mple is a huge outlier in that respect no one has ever put up numbers like him while multiple teams have had years equal to Astralis
2018-12-22 20:18
I will show u example. Avangar can easily win against astralis 4 players. Simple is carrying, but it doesnt mean he is playing like the half of his own team.
2018-12-22 20:48
If they had an average player in s1mples place, say another flamie 1.05 rating player. They wouldnt even be top 10
2018-12-22 23:17
So u admit, that top rating is not only about stats?
2018-12-23 01:04
Never said it wasdumbass I said it favors stats and even if its 50/50 s1mple wins
2018-12-23 03:12
if its 50/50 device wins. Cuz his achievements are bigger than simple and device difference in rating.
2018-12-29 16:39
Nope it wouldnt be. S1mples stats outweigh devices achievements if its 50/50
2018-12-29 22:05
I think u need to lear math, but oke.
2018-12-29 22:45
Nope. S1mple has a much bigger gap in terms of stats and records to any other player than Astralis does to any team. Both gaps are huge, s1mples is bigger. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/a6.. Case and point: s1mple has done things NO other player has done. Astralis are still rivaling fnatic and NiP for strongest era.
2018-12-29 23:13
Doesnt matter. The most important thing in hltv rating is a number of mvp's and evp's. Device has 6 tier1 mvp's + 1 major mvp (that is super valuable) and simple has only 5 relevant ones. Device has more evp's since simple gets mvp in 100% after winning final. second thing that is important is hltv rating and achievements. Hltv rating is on the simple's side. But dont forget navi playstyle. They are doing everything for simple. He would have 1.27 rating without team help at max. In achievements device outclasses him. There is the answer for your question.
2018-12-29 23:40
If HLTV top1 matters so much, then yeah sure. But *best* player of the year should be the player who played the best individually. Also all the stuff you listed about s1mple being terrible at isn't true. s1mple doesn't have terrible mind games, he's actually pretty smart.
2018-12-20 15:18
"But *best* player of the year should be the player who played the best individually." U know the answer for that question. Simple is the most skilled individualy. Rating is about player performance overall in all the aspects.
2018-12-20 15:45
So how is device top1 lmao is pronax top5 of all time as well?
2018-12-20 15:47
Can u read the root comment, please.
2018-12-20 15:49
what root comment LUL
2018-12-20 15:55
the first one.
2018-12-20 15:57
no
2018-12-20 15:58
i cant make u. U have the will to do what u want to do. lightscape(c) 235y.B.C
2018-12-20 16:01
kiss
2018-12-20 16:05
sexy
2018-12-20 16:05
In my opinion, best player should not only be based on individual skill level and stats. Being a good cs player is also knowing how to work well in a team and make sure that the team chemistry is good (counter-strike is a teamsport so off course team-performance and wins matter when deciding who should be #1) I am aware that simple has to perform in order for Navi to win, but this also means that players like zeus and edward will do whatever they can to put simple in positions to frag and have big impact - you don't see astralis players doing that for device as often as navi players will for simple I think everyone can agree that simple is a a god and probably the most skilled player to ever play csgo, but this doesn't automatically mean that he deserves to be #1.
2018-12-20 16:49
But no, if you actually watch navi games, zeus and Edward does nothing to put simple into favorable positions, Zeus and Edwards plays alone on one site. idk how that is setup fam, no hate, im just trying to get what you mean here.
2018-12-20 23:45
+1
2018-12-20 15:19
#112
Aleksib | 
Finland xore1 
device isnt even the best player on astralis
2018-12-20 15:21
dupreeh and magisk are gods, no doubt, but they dont have that number of mvp's to compete for the top1.
2018-12-20 15:59
#258
Aleksib | 
Finland xore1 
device always gets the mvp even if for example gla1ve carried the team
2018-12-20 20:30
They surely have the reason for that.
2018-12-20 21:18
I watched all navi teamspeak and vlogs i know what im talking about blah blah blah blah
2018-12-20 15:31
And u watched streams with matches. Is that ur only source of info? Poor guy.
2018-12-20 15:46
#126
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Russia xtkjdtr01 
+1
2018-12-20 15:33
r o f l
2018-12-20 15:34
reported for racism.
2018-12-20 16:03
#130
LEGIJA | 
Serbia MoOoN 
not even close s1mple barely top5
2018-12-20 15:35
top 1337
2018-12-20 16:10
here we go, u showed how biased u are towards s1mple :) agreed with a dude who doesn't even consider him top5.. just admit you don't like him and stop fooling others that you are so impartial and smart
2018-12-21 00:37
devveKING top1 deserved
2018-12-20 15:40
+1
2018-12-20 16:06
+1
2018-12-20 15:48
Niko is better then he
2018-12-20 15:57
#171
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Netherlands Njit 
HUNDEN top 1
2018-12-20 16:14
he is out of the competition. As hltv decided to put him in another league. He is #0.
2018-12-20 16:18
#189
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Austria sometime2 
S1mple >>>>>>>>> device in terms of raw skill Who cares about nades?? Lmaoooo EZ TOP1 S1MPUL
2018-12-20 16:35
Without nades ct side would buy 5 scars, ez 15-0.
2018-12-20 16:42
#195
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Austria sometime2 
XDDD
2018-12-20 16:49
I would agree but simple is like .1 higher than Dev1ce and has a 1.47 kd in big tourneys. The stats gap is jist too big for the tourney wins to make up for it
2018-12-20 18:28
difference between device stats and simple stats 1.34 vs 1.24 difference between ast and navi 1000 vs 478 Dont forget, that devve is the 1/5 of the team. To be fair i dont say, that simple will not be #1. It all depends on what approach hltv will use to rate them. If its like 50% achievements, 50% stats = device top1 30% achievements, 70% stats = simple top1
2018-12-20 19:09
Uhm.. if 50/50 it for sure should be simple still, he's way ahead of device in stats. more like 70/30 Ach/Stats then device should win, yeah.
2018-12-20 23:47
i watched so many vlogs of tyloo player eating their lunch with well steamed rice and nice baked salmon with monster then DD smoked a cig and said Bntet you igl more suck than captain Mo Then captain Mo better TEAM PLAYER than bntet? . Same logic
2018-12-20 18:34
#211
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
kakoy ze durak, eshe i s Ukraini
2018-12-20 18:36
v smisle? 9 ne fanat devajsa ulu sumpla. 9 pbItajus' dat6 vsem trezvbIj vzgl9d so storoni.
2018-12-20 19:02
#290
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
ne o4en vidno eto v poste
2018-12-20 23:08
ja fanat krisaJ u nrg. Za fejzov u mayz esh4e toplu. Mne umponuryjyt internacuonal'nbIe tumbI.
2018-12-21 13:36
#226
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Asia Skipped_ 
Astralis = Team of the Year so why base player of the Year only on Team results? thats not giving an award to the best player. Giving it to a player from the Team of the Year is nkt awarding the best player.
2018-12-20 18:46
Because of the aspects i mentioned in my first comment. Stats can only count frags, entry kills, damage, but nothing else.
2018-12-20 19:04
#259
Aleksib | 
Finland xore1 
there are way more stats than that
2018-12-20 20:33
everything can be considered as one aspect - technical skill.
2018-12-20 21:15
+1
2018-12-20 18:49
#234
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Russia Nickthebeast 
BAITER SUCKS!!!11!!!11!11!1!
2018-12-20 19:01
0/8
2018-12-20 19:05
"2 of them were gifted after losing final - its stupid I think" That's why s1mple is #1 and dev1ce isn't.
2018-12-20 19:08
So maybe players should save 16 rounds and get kills on the players, pursuing them (ez stats). Stats shouldnt be the only criteria onto the mvp award.
2018-12-20 19:15
You have a point there. However, it is not s1mple's fault that his team performed so poorly at those tournaments. He tried to cover his team mates' mistakes so hard but as you said that cs go is a team play and he couldn't win alone in the end but there were huge gap when you compare performance between s1mple and other players. That's why he won.
2018-12-20 19:44
I know. I just feel like its robbery)) dunno why.
2018-12-20 19:50
Yah, almost like when device keeps getting mvp over dupreeh and gla1ve xdxd
2018-12-20 23:48
he was statisticaly better. Last time magisk got mvp.
2018-12-21 14:06
MVP shouldn't go by stats though, since its most valuable player, should be the reason the team is winning the games, and I'm not hating, but its definitely not cus of device.
2018-12-21 15:05
i think, that analysts in hltv know more than u.
2018-12-21 18:17
What? Mate atleast learn some fucking English before responding, thank you.
2018-12-22 04:16
Ur English is horrible. Im not surprised, that u cant understand that simple sentence.
2018-12-22 13:51
hltv.org/forums/threads/1949254/s1mple-v.. Read this topic, devices cockrider.
2018-12-22 04:23
Can u read my root comment once again? I clearly said, that simple is the best technical player. But that is one of the aspects of this game. PS. U are so angry. Im sorry for that. Its a pity, that u cant control ur feelings. You are simple's bitch and i can see this. You answer on every fucking comment. And I answer to u, just because I want to keep my thread alive.
2018-12-22 14:03
Read the thread, now stop it.
2018-12-22 14:21
Wut?
2018-12-22 14:28
Ok fam we all friendly here, but u wont respond to the comments who actually come with proper arguments, like #279, around 10 comments down from here. its so retarded.
2018-12-22 15:03
This game is much deeper. Team domination is based on mentality and teamplay. Astralis players were demolished by clown9 on aim map. So raw aim is not the main thing player must have. I still believe simple can get #1. I will be happy with that, cuz he is my compatriot. I just want to point, that #1 this year may be not that predictable.
2018-12-22 15:09
If the MVP award should be awarded to the "statistically better" player, then s1mple should get #1 this year because he has better stats than device?
2018-12-22 14:43
mvp != #1 spot. mvp doesnt use achievements at all.
2018-12-22 14:44
ok ok
2018-12-20 20:16
clips.twitch.tv/RepleteEnthusiasticMageC.. could device ever do this? no, because he is not that good.
2018-12-20 20:16
#324
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Spain elskio 
Could s1mple do that on pro match? no, because he is not that good. That‘s why his team losing to eunite big liquid....
2018-12-21 13:41
#265
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Denmark Experative 
2018-12-20 21:20
maybe
2018-12-20 21:28
#275
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Korea clarityyyy 
Are the top 20 lists judged on individual performance only or both performance and team play?
2018-12-20 22:16
It's usually weighted in favor of individual performance vs relevant competition with MVPs/EVPs factored in and then achievements to bump players up or down and break ties.
2018-12-20 22:39
ok ty
2018-12-20 22:18
Fanboy spotted after writing "devve" LULW
2018-12-20 22:18
I just hate to repeat same names all the time. I have written s1 in other comments as well. But anyway. I didnt know that devve is used by fangays.
2018-12-21 14:05
But now, you know better :-) fangay
2018-12-21 16:32
Why should i be device fan. He hasn't interesting personality.
2018-12-21 18:16
1. fake flagger 1.1 set as a poor country so you can play the victim card or bait 2. devve 3. being Ukrainian* and saying device > s1mple 4. fan of CJ *see number 1
2018-12-21 18:55
There is one interesting thing about using ukrainian language. Repeating the same word so many times means, that u are too stubit to find another word, that will have the same definition. Ukrainian language is big enough, that u can say same things with many different words. So I have this habbit for a long time. I use this rule everywhere. I dont care about players. I do care about personalities. That is why I am CJ fan.
2018-12-21 19:26
c00l.
2018-12-21 20:31
stupidity is not for me, so ye.
2018-12-21 21:04
are you saying that i'm stupid ?
2018-12-21 21:12
no
2018-12-22 01:12
"Device >>>>>> simple. Nades, strats (zonic teached him), mindgames, communication, mindset, info. Simpe is just terrible in all of these aspects. He knows only 5 smokes per map, his info is the worst info on the planet. He is mentaly unstable. All of my info u can find on navi, zeus vlogs. " Yes device is good at those things but so is s1mple. S1mple has godlike game sense and reads enemies constantly. His kills arent just out aiming people, he predicts the angle/peek a lot, reads setups and nades, hits great timings and has excellent positioning. The fact that you think s1mples kills are "just raw skill" has to be the most ignorant thing I read by people who want device above s1mple. You think s1mple wins the most clutches vs top 20 LANs by only having great aim? MVPs and tournament wins? Yes device has the advantage in those due to being in a better team. Not due to being a better player than s1mple. S1mple has more MVPs/EVPs to top 4s and has WAY better stats in his MVP performances on average because that's what's needed for him to win. Keep in mind Device has gotten MVP for 1.19 ratings and s1mple hasnt posted a rating below 1.19 the entire year at LAN.
2018-12-20 22:27
#280
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Poland wiktorex 
NT, MINDGAMES COMMUNIACTION, MINDSET INFO?? NADEs?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? you watch sometimes his streams? 1/8 for effort
2018-12-20 22:23
Did you even read the OP? I was quoting him moron
2018-12-20 22:26
#292
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
HIS STREAMS lululul dude his streams are him not trying against globals in mm hahaha how can you judge him from his streams LOL how retarded are you????
2018-12-20 23:11
#284
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France 0racle 
nice fakeflag nice confusion between the best player and the best player within the best team
2018-12-20 22:36
Who the fuck wants to be a Ukraine fakeflager?
2018-12-21 14:02
#334
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France 0racle 
dunno u tell me
2018-12-21 14:03
not navi fan != not ukrainian.
2018-12-21 14:08
#288
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Europe FJUL 
device > s1mple because device win a major and major mvp
2018-12-20 22:47
why do peple protect simple so much? he is a shit person and toxic in game while device is super chill, to be honest device has always been hated for the solely reason of being good looking as stupid as it sounds lol, and agree device is top #1, s1mple fanboys so delusional.
2018-12-20 22:53
Pretty sure they aren't protecting him cus of his personality, no?
2018-12-20 23:49
dev2ce
2018-12-20 23:46
+1
2018-12-20 23:51
If you just look at stats against top 5 teams in big tournaments, s1mple will only have a rating 0.05 higher than dev1ce in half the maps played. It's easy to get a higher rating if you play worse teams. Against top 5 teams: s1mple: 1.25 (2.0 rating) in 66 maps dev1ce: 1.20 (2.0 rating) in 112 maps hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. Against top 10 teams: s1mple: 1.31 (2.0 rating) in 108 maps dev1ce: 1.23 (2.0 rating) in 136 maps hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01..
2018-12-21 00:00
And in your deluded head those stats point to device being the better player???
2018-12-21 08:37
No, but so many people use s1mple’s stats as the reason for him to be #1 this year. All I’m saying is that if you look at matches against top 5 teams then the difference between the two is not that big. If you look at the stats that way and the amount of tournament and mvp wins then dev1ce will most likely be #1 this year, even if they weight stats higher than tournament and mvp wins in the ranking.
2018-12-21 09:00
0.05 is still a lot, though...
2018-12-23 14:02
.05 is huge and the qualitve aspects of s1mples MVP performances are much greater than devices and outweigh them youtu.be/0EkRzyvP75A
2018-12-26 04:30
#327
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
He plays less maps because he win 2:0 or even if he lose 0:2 his rating has the same level. It isnt Simple fault when Astralis fail and always need 3 maps or more. When Astralis lose device rating dropping down into a black hole. This is the difference between just a Device or the best Player of all times.
2018-12-21 13:46
Not getting to the final, like Astralis does, is also a reason for less maps played by s1mple. But it's harder to keep a high rating the more maps you play as you have to stay consistent, just like dev1ce does.
2018-12-21 16:45
Nah.... it's because NaVi get knocked out earlier in the tournaments.
2018-12-23 14:04
s1mple deserve this #1 more than anybody this year, he worked too damn hard to be the best, he was consistently good the whole year (not counting some bad matches ofc), he single-handedly carried his team quite a lot of times and he's arguably one of the most entertaining players to watch in his good days! If he doesn't get this damn top1 spot, it will be one the biggest robberies in cs go and hltv ranking system won't mean shit to me and many others here
2018-12-21 00:49
#319
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Russia fl3x3r 
0/8
2018-12-21 08:53
#323
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Latvia Tibro 
didnt even read 0/10 fake ukraine
2018-12-21 13:37
#333
2018-12-21 14:09
#331
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Netherlands poeya 
meh 1/8
2018-12-21 13:50
#332
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France 0racle 
0/8 there has never been such a big rating gap (and an obvious skill gap) between #1 and #2 in all of csgo history if simple is not #1 this year then all the other years have to be re-evaluated
2018-12-21 13:54
lul
2018-12-21 14:08
Love the response :D
2018-12-21 15:07
Gap in 0.1 between the stats is nothing against 3.33x more achievements gap.
2018-12-21 18:12
#404
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France 0racle 
>biggest gap ever in csgo >0.1
2018-12-22 13:09
3.33x is the real biggest gap.
2018-12-22 14:12
#416
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France 0racle 
good thing we already have a team ranking!
2018-12-22 14:18
achievements will be important as well.
2018-12-22 14:21
This and nothing else!! Not giving s1mple the player of the year title would be the biggest fraud in cs history
2018-12-21 16:39
#340
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Ukraine extezy10 
Only hide with awp on ct side behind the team/only good with 2weapons/shit at clutches/without game style. Boring player with boosted stats, getting mvp with 1.15 kd, without team-top 15 player.
2018-12-21 14:14
0/8
2018-12-21 15:11
device is a bad awper, get over it
2018-12-21 16:33
#367
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United States Covahh 
"bad awper" who is the main awper for the best team in the world. and who gets the MVP WITH the tournament trophies. S1mple would do dog shit if he was in dev's place. Both of them have different roles in their team and Device achieved far more this year than s1mple.
2018-12-21 18:22
Uhm, No simple wouldn't do dogs hit in devices place, I think its definitely the other way around. Please read the other comments on this thread, then use your brain, then comment something yourself.
2018-12-22 04:18
#408
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United States Covahh 
Oh please. You're comparing S1mple to Device. You're comparing one of the most aggressive players to one of the most disciplined ones. S1mple can never replace what device does on astralis because he's only looking to pad his stats.
2018-12-22 14:03
"S1mple can never replace what device does on astralis because he's only looking to pad his stats." 1. I would argue that s1mple's stats is the result rather than the end goal of his carry performances. No amount of stat-padding can get you s1mple's stats in Tier 1 CS if you aren't just miles ahead of everyone skill-wise (which he is). If anything, device is the even bigger stat-padder because I (and many people on HLTV) have seen him run around hunting for frags on eco rounds so many times. 2. Raw skill/talent is something that can't be developed or learned, but playstyle is. There is no reason to believe that s1mple (or any Top 10 Tier 1 player, really) can "never replace device" on Astralis and still perform at a comparable level. Whenever I hear that, I just laugh. He simply has to make some playstyle changes/adjustments which is a very REAL possibility (as it's something that can be learned) compared to let's say, device somehow magically gaining more raw skill (yeah, not happening) enough to match s1mple's carrying potential.
2018-12-22 14:57
OMEGALUL. OFC s1mple is top 1
2018-12-21 16:38
I am a fan of NaVi, and especially s1mple. I hope he will be n1 this year. It’s about the best player, not about best team player. I think they should consider personal skills as more relevant than skills of playing in team.
2018-12-21 16:51
braindead shitkid
2018-12-21 18:16
s1mple is the better player, device is in the better team, more titles = device top1 s1mple top2
2018-12-21 18:29
do u remember a single device's action? no? i can remember a lot of simple's crazy stuff while device is boring af player, hes only good at camping and getting easy awp kills. really, calling device top1 is such a retarded thing he do not deserve even top10 a lot of players are better than him for example zywoo niko twistzz ropz sunny electronic if u really think that device's boring playstyle is top1 u should kys, maybe he gets these kills and mvps but he dontt deserve real top1.
2018-12-21 20:31
that's true
2018-12-21 21:19
true i have seen simple throwing so many rounds for navi because of the over agro play its insane lul
2018-12-21 22:03
You’re dumb
2018-12-22 04:25
#398
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Brazil GICCO 
He won more mvp's than p1mple, i think he can be the #1
2018-12-22 04:34
I could see a case being made for device #1 but no way in hell is he favored as the #1 player in 2018 over s1mple lol
2018-12-22 14:46
Nobody can do what coldzera did /closed
2018-12-22 09:12
True, consistently baiting your teammate as a playstyle is difficult to get away with, but mah boi Marcelo's been going strong for years now.
2018-12-22 14:48
think s1mple did it too this year ^^
2018-12-22 20:24
He's gonna be top1 this year for sure. But 90% of people already know who is better player. Its s1mple and dev1ce is not even close. Astralis top1 team S1mple top1 player Dev1ce top1 teamplayer S1mple top1 skilled player
2018-12-22 09:17
How can you even say something like that that he is a better teamplayer you cant know that at all he have a 10x better team around him while S1mple have 3 bots
2018-12-22 19:58
you really want to say s1mple is a better teamplayer than device? s1mple goes for the yolo plays, entry frags too often without supporting the teammates with nades ect. I think you and me saw different games this year
2018-12-22 20:22
He needs to because his team is dogshit they cant win a single aim battle but electronic If he had same players like device he could play way more passive , device just sits like a bot and wait for frags to come to him while his team does everything How can you even compare them two in terms of teamplayer when the another have the best team in the world by far and the another is the basicly the only reason why they are where they are and without him probably not even top 20
2018-12-22 20:25
YES EXACTLY IF HE HAD... but he didnt have that this year. also device is a passive player yes, but he does that very well. s1mple>device yes but teamplay device plays around and with his teammates much better
2018-12-22 20:27
lol
2018-12-22 20:28
lol xd rekt lmao
2018-12-22 20:28
Not really you are retarded S1mple does more for the team than device does for Astralis retard He goes for entrys High impact kills Clutches device he sits like a bot and wait for frags
2018-12-22 20:30
yeah he does more than device. but I think you understand teamplayer wrong dude. s1mple is the best this year, but not at that ascpect
2018-12-22 20:31
Lets just say any astralis player is far better in team play than any player be that niko s1mple twistzz.
2018-12-23 04:16
#413
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Poland Blindilek 
s1mple top 1 :)
2018-12-22 14:10
#452
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Ukraine justguy^ 
How does psychology relate to player statistics? It is estimated statistics and not his psyche, the number of medals, and so on...
2018-12-22 20:09
#465
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Brazil h8er^_^ 
Wow this thread is so stupid. How do you know about s1mple and device strats, communication, mindgames, mindset, info, etc etc? Are u on discord with them in the tournaments or u are a hacker and u are spying their communication? Assuming that is impossible from an HLTV tard, your post is the more stupidest thing that i've read this week.
2018-12-22 20:32
#466
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United Kingdom fl0wsik 
who rates players based on their mindgames thats not even a measurable stat
2018-12-22 20:32
#468
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Denmark dakkedak 
What if s1mple was Danish though
2018-12-22 20:37
devveKING top1
2018-12-23 01:04
#478
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Sweden plikz 
Device #1
2018-12-23 01:08
#506
2018-12-29 16:48
Yes, 100%
2018-12-23 01:09
#484
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Europe baitpolice 
i can agree on most of this, zonic is the big reason they won anything this year and devve actually matured now. <3 the boys u make danmark proud
2018-12-23 04:18
Device +1
2018-12-23 04:58
#497
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Russia SP3C73R 
Objectively s1mple is must be #1 this year. No doubt that he's the best player right now. And you must be delusional if you think that HLTV gives him #1, when HLTV is Danish site & when they gived him spot over FalleN last year :)
2018-12-23 16:19
They will give s1mple #1 to retain at least a little bit credibility
2018-12-29 16:48
Everyone saying "device top 1" necessarily has a Weewee (a penis with 1-3 length) which was, indeed, proven by modern sience
2018-12-29 16:45
Yes indeed
2018-12-29 16:48
#510
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Belgium JariCSGO 
Stopped reading at "Dev1ce top 1"
2018-12-29 16:51
I had enough of those stupid kids, that put simple on the n1 spot. I will repeat myself. Its not that obvious. I will paste my comment from another thread. Just dont want to write it twice. So simple vs device, lets go: Skillwise, yeah sure, simple is better. But he sucks in all the other aspects of the game. #1 spot is not only about stats. Device should be #1 this year, just because he is the part of the team, that has 2x+ points more, than everyone else. Simple > devise raw skill. Device >>>>>> simple. Nades, strats (zonic teached him), mindgames, communication, mindset, info. Simpe is just terrible in all of these aspects. He knows only 5 smokes per map, his info is the worst info on the planet. He is mentaly unstable. All of my info u can find on navi, zeus vlogs. Besides that, device 7 mvp's from big events vs simple's 5 (2 of them were gifted after losing final - its stupid I think). Achievements: devve 10 t1 events vs simple 3 t1 events. So u are the only one, who is clueless. #1 must be given to the player from the dominating team. It always was like this. Simple plays better, gets flashy kills, but this is not the reason, to give him #1 this year. P.S. ceh9 - cis analyst and caster have already said, that device will be n1. U are just a kid, that can rate things, that u can see. But this game has so many things behind the sceenes, that u will never be able to see it on the stream. So next time think again. #1 spot is not that obvious this year.
2018-12-29 22:48
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2018-12-29 22:48
Funny. I don't see device listed as the best player of 2018?
2019-03-08 03:27
So many ppl falling for this bait lmao I never fell for a bait b4 and i never will because i am too intelligent and i am superior to the rest of HLTV. #TheOneAndOnly #ThisIsEasyForMe 0/8 btw
2019-03-08 03:38
+1
2019-03-08 09:46
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