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UNBIASED TOP20
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United Kingdom SherlockOfHLTV 
Tired of seeing threads that are completely biased. So since there will be no bias cuz I have given up entirely on the French scene and realize NO ONE French should be on the list. 1. s1mple 2. Device 3. Niko 4. Dupreeh 5 electronic 6. Naf 7. Magisk 8. Twistzz 9. Xyp9x 10. Gla1ve 11. GuardiaN 12. Krimz 13. Oskar 14. EliGe 15. SuNny 16. Autimatic 17 nitr0 18 coldzera 19 Tarik 20 ropz
2018-12-29 00:15
17.nitr0 14.elige 7.magisk '' unbiased ''
2018-12-29 00:21
whats the problem
2018-12-29 01:50
more likely the unbased on stats top20
2019-01-02 10:07
#40
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United States SilveryoHD 
I dont think nitro should be top 20 but is he is he is def not better than cold but elige is fine
2018-12-29 02:03
#49
China o_O 
i'd have to agree that one is fucked
2018-12-29 02:13
cmonguys nitr0 worst tier1 player by far this year, not even in top40 ELiGE played really bad this year, I don't think he deserves to be in top20 this year and Magisk, oh Magisk... Magisk the GOAT this year, at least top5 ez
2018-12-29 02:16
+1, but EliGE deserve a 20th spot, at least
2018-12-29 02:48
Elige disappointed me this year. He got better at the end of the year. I think he got over the whole choking thing. Because he played really well in the epl finals. But n1tro doesn't belong in top 20
2018-12-29 03:55
i mean liquid added NAF this year, along with twistzz he didnt do as well because those guys werent meant to be the main stars
2019-01-01 07:19
Yeah. Elite was kind of t/e star previously. But now with the these new players, both of them were put into a different roles. I think they are gonna be even supportive next year with Stewie on the team
2019-01-01 23:00
#100
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Europe darkencsgo 
0/8 Name check out. Flag check out. Flair check out.
2018-12-29 11:37
0/16 fan of who the fuck is talking LMAO
2018-12-29 19:28
#109
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Europe darkencsgo 
Expected from mad Danish fan.
2018-12-29 21:51
#188
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Canada Surzz 
dumbass checks out lmao
2019-01-02 10:54
+1
2019-01-02 23:06
+1
2019-01-01 09:23
#2
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Germany Der_Pabst 
autimatic? I mean yeah cloud 9 won a major, but i still doubt to see a player of them in the top 20 as they fell off way too hard
2018-12-29 00:29
#23
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Belgium AKANorth 
yeah, auti deserves top 5. That's too low for him.
2018-12-29 01:50
#30
felps | 
Poland flikx 
I bet tarik will be somewhere around 20th spot, but can't really see autimatic here tbh
2018-12-29 01:53
auti played well throughout the year besides the end when he started to drop off
2018-12-29 02:42
#79
felps | 
Poland flikx 
He did, but C9 couldn't really get any decent results this year besides the major & BLAST Pro.
2018-12-29 03:36
couldnt get any decent results - major is enough for every team.
2019-01-02 10:05
#226
felps | 
Poland flikx 
But it's not everything, espiecially when it's in beginning of the year and you don't win anything else after it. I know, it shouldn't really be like that, but team achievments also count in this ranking, and autimatic wasn't that big of a carry for C9 to be 16th best player in the world.
2019-01-02 18:48
tarik got the Major MVP, i think he'll be like #19 or #20
2019-01-01 07:25
device will be #1 probably even though he didn't deserve it at all this year
2018-12-29 00:44
#99
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Australia TheFiber 
no
2018-12-29 11:36
f0rest ? Rez ?
2018-12-29 00:49
#12
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Brazil on_you 
LMAO
2018-12-29 01:03
Lol
2018-12-29 07:01
Not really this year, I think f0rest/draken deserved it last year though
2019-01-01 09:23
This year individually was better than 2017 lol...
2019-01-01 17:55
#221
Magisk | 
African Union nwaarr 
That doesnt mean anything if play better this year but everyone around you is playing even better you wont stand a chance meanwhile if the last year you were playing worst then this year but you were still playing better then the others. In conclusion its stupid to compare you performence of this year and of the last year wheb you do a top 20.
2019-01-02 15:50
You are saying like in 2017 other players from NiP was playing better. Only one who can get very close is Rez , no offence for GTR i love him as a player but like , he's past his prime and he has the illness he has and i suspect he won't have better form if something drastically changes. And i have question , do you saw him play or are you just say something like that cause of NiP results huh?
2019-01-02 17:54
#225
Magisk | 
African Union nwaarr 
no my apoligies i didnt explain well what i wanted to say, when i say players around him i was talking about all the pro players in the top teams x)
2019-01-02 18:21
Oh then yes , but i hope he'll grab next place after ropz , but if not then surely he won't be in top 20 .
2019-01-02 20:20
Agree with the GTR thing. He's super critical of himself and how he plays, so he's taking a more supportive role in the team to help in any way he can, you can see him setting up flash bangs for other players etc in games. He's also still good with his decision making which is very important as smart players can often beat the pure aimers (look at his clutches vs teams like Astralis etc). So while he isn't dropping 30 kills every game, if he can keep it around 18 or more, then things are looking good for NiP.
2019-01-02 23:11
Yes. Luv him tho <3
2019-01-02 23:31
If Lekr0 can get consistent fragging as well as being the IGL, NiP are looking good. Dennis needs to properly find his role in the team, or they could replace him with a main AWPer. There aren't too many options for Swedish awpers. maybe JW, Twist or even draken if he fixes his in game and attitude problems (30 degree window lul)
2019-01-02 23:51
He never had attitude problems when he was in NiP , i just think he hated playing in Fnatic and that's it. You could see in his stream when he scraped Fnatic's stickers off , yet he had NiP stickers on still while being kicked(swapped). If dennis and lekr0 could find their Fnatic form it would be top3 team material , but i think that just won't happen. As much as i want it to happen .
2019-01-03 01:39
Part of the reason he was kicked from NiP was attitude problems, also things like being late to practice and not really doing much to help team chemistry. That kinda sucks, but I'd like to see Draken get his career back on track and actually put in the work to become a better player and person. You can argue that he has the raw skill to be on a decent team, but his flaws were with how he fit into the team (Xizt wanted to use him as a more static AWPer, whereas he wanted to play like guardian in Na'Vi and be very mobile). He was also way too streaky, hitting insane flicks (Vs gambit on overpass A site) one day and missing basically AFK players (Can't remember what team, it was on cobble with him playing coop) the next. So hopefully he can redeem himself in 2019 and actually be a stable awp player.
2019-01-03 02:24
Well yeah , he needs to sort out his head or he will end up like maikelele who had insane potential
2019-01-03 19:13
Couldn't agree more :) Consistency is key, which is why F0rest is the GOAT. like seriously... playing fo over a decade and always has the potential to beat the younger guys. I just wonder how much better he would be if he practiced as hard as GTR. Possibly top 5 player? He irritates me because he doesn't prac often and is still better than average.
2019-01-03 22:51
I'd put f0rest top 20 this year , but oh well , that's my opinion. If he practiced he'd top5 100% if not top3. Love him tho , his interviews are the best <3 :D
2019-01-05 01:41
#5
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
LMFAO Top 3 should be: 1. NiKo 2. s1mple 3. Electronic
2018-12-29 00:51
#6
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Poland Astoner55 
No 1. Pasha 2. Niko 3. S1mple 4. Device
2018-12-29 00:53
#7
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
Pasha is top 3 at max, probably should look like: 1. NiKo 2. Electronic 3. Pasha
2018-12-29 00:56
#9
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Poland Astoner55 
Then it's: 1. Niko 2. S1mple 3. Pasha 4. Joelz 5. Electronic
2018-12-29 01:02
#16
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France FanchD 
No SmithZz ?
2018-12-29 01:38
#18
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Poland Astoner55 
No, he is like top7-top8. I mean, cmon, pasha was much better than him.
2018-12-29 01:43
#28
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France FanchD 
Yeah Pasha is a serious contender for the top 1 this year
2018-12-29 01:51
#200
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France Astyx 
No. 1 forsaken
2019-01-02 12:08
#207
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France FanchD 
Pasha > forsaken wtf
2019-01-02 13:52
#214
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France Astyx 
Pasha > new VP lineup
2019-01-02 14:54
#25
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
What did pasha do this year? Oh that's right, nothing but losing in group stages and being an overall disappointment. Pasha is nowhere near top20
2018-12-29 01:50
A joke is a display of humour in which words are used within a specific and well-defined narrative structure to make people laugh and is not meant to be taken seriously. It takes the form of a story, usually with dialogue, and ends in a punch line. It is in the punch line that the audience becomes aware that the story contains a second, conflicting meaning. This can be done using a pun or other word play such as irony, a logical incompatibility, nonsense, or other means.
2018-12-29 01:51
#29
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
"A joke is a display of humour in which words are used within a specific and well-defined narrative structure" There's no humour and no specificly narrated structure at all in this statement. But thank you for the definition that you yourself clearly don't even comprehend.
2018-12-29 01:53
the problem is that you took the bait
2018-12-29 01:54
#33
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
You don't understand the word "narrative" and now you're backpedalling,
2018-12-29 01:55
better answer, why youre taking everything seriously and fall for the bait all the time?
2018-12-29 01:57
#35
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
I'm so silly, to expect you to know what "backpedalling" is when you don't even know the word "narrative," gee I should've known better
2018-12-29 01:57
what i posted is literally a copypaste
2018-12-29 01:59
#39
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
Let me help you out, bud: "narrative [nar-uh-tiv] noun 1. a story or account of events, experiences, or the like, whether true or fictitious. 2. a book, literary work, etc., containing such a story. 3. the art, technique, or process of narrating, or of telling a story: Somerset Maugham was a master of narrative."
2018-12-29 02:01
just to sort it out, that copypasta was a different way of saying "it's a joke"
2018-12-29 02:08
#45
tHm | 
Denmark tHm 
Didn't your mom ever tell you to think before you talk? Or does she, like yourself, lack skills in the communication trait.
2018-12-29 02:10
sorry but its the hltv culture, and i can't do anything about it, i have to follow the way hltv community behaves
2018-12-29 02:12
OMFG. You really cant take a Joke seriously Here I got a more realistic top 5 for you: 1.Smithzz 2.Ex6tenz 3.Bodyy 4.Your mum 5.Your dad
2019-01-02 22:44
#77
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Poland m!chu 
0iq, just shut up and take the joke
2018-12-29 03:01
It wasn't a funny joke but I can't understand how you took him serious
2019-01-01 18:11
0iq
2019-01-02 04:10
#341
Bewgz | 
Australia g00sey 
You are such a retard
2019-01-04 03:13
+ fucking 1
2018-12-29 02:12
#202
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
your actually so dumb it was a joke don't get so triggered XD
2019-01-02 12:13
#57
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Finland Hoansz 
+1000000000
2018-12-29 02:21
flair checks out
2018-12-29 01:51
#36
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
You wanna say someone else deserves top 3 instead of one of them?
2018-12-29 01:58
#37
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United States n0rdie 
NiKo is top 5, but not No.1. FaZe is fallin hard, but s1mple and electronic are carrying NaVi.
2018-12-29 01:58
#41
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United States SilveryoHD 
NIKO NUMBER1 HYPERLUL
2018-12-29 02:03
#42
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
Who in your opinion deserves top 1 more than NiKo?
2018-12-29 02:04
#73
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United States SilveryoHD 
s1mple easily
2018-12-29 02:54
#74
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
AXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAAXA He's top 2 at best, maybe top 3 if device takes top 2 over him but top 1 with no doubt is NiKo.
2018-12-29 02:55
#81
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United States SilveryoHD 
not even close niko hasnt done nearly as well as devve and s1mple
2018-12-29 03:50
#84
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
NiKo is a GOD while these two are just humans being.
2018-12-29 05:10
#85
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United States SilveryoHD 
I would bet 5$ on steam niko will be the number 3 player of 2018
2018-12-29 05:36
#86
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
1. NiKo 2. s1mple 3. device/electronic
2018-12-29 06:05
Electronic, OMEGALUL
2019-01-02 22:28
#8
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Brazil JustSadness 
Sorry, but niko is not even top 5 this year
2018-12-29 01:01
Are you sober?
2018-12-29 01:02
#11
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Poland Astoner55 
Probably top4 or top5 tbh
2018-12-29 01:02
#19
NiKo | 
Portugal queniese 
100 % top 3 , isn't top2 cuz device has more trophies
2018-12-29 01:43
#20
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Poland Astoner55 
Yeah, i hope he gets the 3rd spot, but i'm scared he won't
2018-12-29 01:44
#22
NiKo | 
Portugal queniese 
i think he has it, he is the top 2 player in big events and he in january,february he was the best player in the world so i think he should get it
2018-12-29 01:47
#14
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
He's top 1 you stupid idiot
2018-12-29 01:28
baited
2018-12-29 02:18
#53
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
No, because NiKo deserves top 1 more than anyone else.
2018-12-29 02:19
he said niko, not NiKo
2018-12-29 02:19
#55
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
NiKo is a god, he deserved top 1 in 2017(undeserved top 1 for cold) and deserved now.
2018-12-29 02:20
0/8 stop baiting Magisk is the GOAT
2018-12-29 02:21
#58
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
0/8 magisk will never be as successful as NiKo. No one is as successful as NiKo.
2018-12-29 02:22
0/8 MagiskGOAT carrying bad team while NiKo play with FaZe, good team 0/8
2018-12-29 02:24
#60
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
Bad player should stay with tier 3 players, GOD tier player such as NiKo should play with GOD tier players such as FaZe.
2018-12-29 02:25
000000000/8888888 worst bait hltv all time. magiskb0yGOAT would eat NiKo ass in 1v1 ezez asf
2018-12-29 02:33
#64
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
NT 0/8 BUT HE HAS ALREADY LOST 1V1 TO NIKO ON STAND-OFF SHOW. STOP B8ING ME YOU MAGISKGIRL!
2018-12-29 02:35
0/8888888888888888888888888888888888888 1year ago match WTF n0rth so bad lol lmao magisk trolling haha 1v1 real 1v1 magisk would won 0/8
2018-12-29 02:39
#70
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
0/8 real 1v1 Magisk wouldnt even appear because hes the worst player on his team and no one would let him duel NiKo the GOAT of entire CS lmfao
2018-12-29 02:49
0/8 NiKo bad Magisk good
2018-12-29 02:55
#76
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
Yeah, NiKo is a bad boi and magisk is a good guy but this has nothing to do with CSGO skills.
2018-12-29 02:56
#101
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Europe darkencsgo 
0/8
2018-12-29 11:38
There's absolutely no reason to consider nitr0 a top 20 player. You gotta be biased to consider him imo. Also, Tarik got a major MVP, but he didn't have a single MVP/EVP other than that and had -50 K/D Diff in big events.
2018-12-29 01:09
Device top 1
2018-12-29 01:37
#103
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Europe darkencsgo 
0/8
2018-12-29 11:39
Unbiased XDDDDD
2018-12-29 01:40
#21
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Brazil JMB_17 
18. Coldzera ok nt
2018-12-29 01:46
#44
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
Yeah, cold doesnt deserve top 20 at all while NiKo should be top 1.
2018-12-29 02:09
#72
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Brazil JMB_17 
+1 but top 1 should be NAF. he was insane this year, just didn’t get the attention because his team didn’t win
2018-12-29 02:52
#31
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New Zealand Eauor 
UNBIASED LOOOL
2018-12-29 01:54
I believe u are missing flusha and maybe flamie. Nitro wont be here and autimatic has a chance and I think he deserves it
2018-12-29 02:11
#50
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Poland wiktorex 
Unbiased 6naf 7magisk loooll
2018-12-29 02:14
Good ratings MVP's played good all year basicly
2018-12-29 02:43
naf is easily top 10 and easily deserves 6 probs the best NA player this year
2018-12-29 02:43
#61
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Sweden LynXelele 
1. device 2. s1mple 3. NiKo 4. dupreeh 5. Magisk 6. electronic 7. NAF 8. Twistzz 9. Xyp9x 10. gla1ve 11. GuardiaN 12. KRiMZ 13. oskar 14. EliGE 15. suNny 16. coldzera 17. ropz 18. flamie 19. tarik 20. autimatic ————————- 21. valde 22. rain 23. olofmeister 24. Stewie2k 25. CeRq 26. woxic 27. flusha 28. nitr0 29. chrisj 30. RUSH
2018-12-29 02:26
#102
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Switzerland meme_jesus 
device top1 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2018-12-29 11:39
#105
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Europe darkencsgo 
Stop reading at "1. device"
2018-12-29 11:40
glaive and xyp in top 10 just shows you only take into account team rankings
2018-12-30 02:00
Glaive has played a major part in the success of Astralis this year. Arguably more than magisk. Top 10 would be deserved imo
2019-01-01 12:23
I would get less dissapoited if you would put GeT_RiGhT at #1
2018-12-30 06:34
#62
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United Kingdom H3nryG 
No smooya no list
2018-12-29 02:28
imagine having coldzera that low and say this isnt biased LOOOL
2018-12-29 02:46
#90
shox | 
India prat_pps 
he literally did nothing this year why would he be in it
2018-12-29 06:18
because this isnt the most winning players of the year list, cold still had a pretty good rating on LAN this year. should MSL be on the list? he has a tier 1 tourny title and a MVP
2018-12-29 06:59
#78
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World zebra_man3 
18. coldzera 17. nitr0 LOOOOOOOOL
2018-12-29 03:09
cold to low and no shit that no french players should be on there
2018-12-29 03:39
#87
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
mhm ZyWHO to top 1 for rekking tier 5 scene for the 1st half of the year.
2018-12-29 06:07
its almost like he has a fuck ton of skill and just needed to be picked up by a team
2018-12-29 06:08
#89
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Russia mmmmmmajestic 
I think kennyS has a good chance to take the 19th or the 20th place because he was the 7th of 2017 and players rarely drop out of top 20 in one year but no other french player will be on the list for sure.
2018-12-29 06:17
kenny had a good first half, so i could see him but i really dont think he should
2018-12-29 06:18
> unbiased > s1mple top 1 1/8 for the attempt
2018-12-29 03:52
#92
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Europe p1peb0mb 
unbaised an put xyp9x as top 10. shit thread
2018-12-29 06:25
#95
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United Kingdom shmilx 
EliGe and nitr0 shouldn't even be on the list, Chris J and kennyS should replace them (kennyS played bad by his usual standard but still deserves a top 20). Gla1ve should be higher and xyp9x shouldn't be in the top 10. 5/8 list
2018-12-29 07:11
Agree but not with KennyS his stats are weak he has almost no big event runs and like 1 evp? He definitely wont make top 20 this year. Same with chrisj he has like a 1.03 rating just simply doesnt have the numbers to be in top 20 or the wins to make up for it
2018-12-29 07:16
#97
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Top 20 isn't (or rather SHOULDN'T) be about how their team did. kennyS did decent, top 20 worthy, and is the only candidate I can think of other than maybe valde that is deserving of a top 20 spot
2018-12-29 07:17
NRG trio tabsen autimatic valde flamie woxic all more deserving individually. Thats also why i mentioned his rating and EVPs hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01..
2018-12-29 11:34
#115
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United Kingdom shmilx 
flamie? No, fell off soon after the Boston major and had very few good runs of form afterwards. NRG trio? Maybe, although I don't think they are as talented as kennyS, the awards are for their performances in this year alone, so they're also good candidates. autimatic? Already on the list woxic? Just as deserving as kennyS; has stints of good form but is generally average while also having a better and more stable team, tabseN? Was one of the other candidates for a top 20 spot that I was thinking of. tabseN or valde are probably the most deserving of a top 20 spot to replace the players I mentioned, but players from NRG and kennyS probably have a decent chance of getting a top 20 spot too.
2018-12-30 01:26
Kenny has 0 chance he has a 1.10 rating with 1 EVP. There are well over 20 players with better than that. Flamie? 1.09 rating with 4 evps. NRG trio all have better ratings and more evps. Kenny has 0 chance this year
2018-12-30 06:32
#123
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United Kingdom shmilx 
kennyS will always have a chance, whether he is more deserving is debatable. Considering the teams he has been in this year he hasn’t done awful, G2 is in shambles and kennyS is it’s only saving grace
2018-12-30 17:26
I'd literally bet my PC that hes not going to be on the list just doesnt have the stats or accolades to make it.
2019-01-01 09:39
#150
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United Kingdom shmilx 
He probably wont be on it, I was saying he does have a chance though, kennyS always has a chance just because he's always among the names of 'best AWPers' even when his form dips
2019-01-01 12:00
Hes not even top 5 right now
2019-01-01 22:36
Also elige definitely deserves a spot and 100% over chrisj lol
2018-12-29 22:26
#114
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United Kingdom shmilx 
EliGe doesn't deserve a spot, he got carried by NAF and twistzz for the majority of the year, only towards the end of the year would i consider him a top 20 player. ChrisJ deserved it more at certain events where he popped off but over the course of the year probably not top 20 worthy.
2018-12-30 01:15
Name 20 players better than elige this year, I'll wait.
2018-12-30 06:33
#124
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United Kingdom shmilx 
NiKo Coldzera Ropz s1mple Twistzz NAF Electronic Dev1ce Magisk Dupreeh GuardiaN Valde Oskar Autimatuc Tarik Gla1ve Xyp9x Cerq Woxic Issaa (the matches I watched he was insane but I only saw a few so idk) Brehze Krimz tabseN k0nfig ZyWOo
2018-12-30 17:34
Elige has a 1.12 big event rating and 5 evps Tarik has lower rating less evps less trophies So does k0nfig So does issaa So does brehze Autimatic has 1 EVP and similar stats K0nfig has 16 big event maps played (lul) and 0 evps Cerq has a lower rating and 1 mvp at a small event and an EVP And all those players have less than half of the amount of big event maps played than elige. Nt tho
2018-12-30 23:31
#128
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United Kingdom shmilx 
like i said EliGe was carried by his team throughout most of the year and even dipped below a 1.0 rating twice this year. If it was about the end of a year then EliGe would be up there, but it isn't, its about the entire year of player's individual performance. Tarik and Autimatic both won a major this year, their year was better than EliGe's. I named 25, you disupted 6, I say at least 2 of the ones you have disputed are better than EliGe. That makes 21 better than EliGe. Not to mention those were just off the top of my head, I could have added nahtE and sunNy too. Also EliGe has a 1.09 rating at BE in 2018, not 1.12. If we went only by 'big event' ratings then Zeus and STYKO would be among the top 20 in 2018. lol?
2018-12-31 11:36
"Like i said EliGe was carried by his team throughout most of the year and even dipped below a 1.0 rating twice this year" Yes he has 2 of the top 12 players in the world on his team, xyp9x has 4 of the top 10 doesnt mean he still isnt an incredible player with immense value. Which is showcased in his stats awards and achievements. Doesnt matter he still won 5 evps and yes he did have a 1.12 rating at big events which are the highest level and most prestigious events but okay I'll play your game. hltv.org/stats/players/8738/EliGE?startD.. Not sure where your getting 1.09 from. hltv.org/stats/players/8738/EliGE?startD.. If we just look at LAN he also has 1.12 hltv.org/stats/players/8738/EliGE?startD.. And vs top 20 at LAN he has 1.10 The same principles that I typed out above also apply to Cerq Zywoo Valde And tabsen wont be above him because he has very few big event maps. All have lower or no big event ratings/maps and less evps. That's 10 disputed and elige is around 15th-16th this year so makes sense. Moving on to address some of your clear ignorance. "If we went only by 'big event' ratings then Zeus and STYKO would be among the top 20 in 2018. lol?" I'm assuming your referring to this: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. 1. That is due to the map count being set very high all you have to do is lower it 2. They still arent even top 20 or even close to it. Ethan also has less evps 2 I believe and they have almost identical stats but a slight advantage to Ethan. I want you to realize that not a single player with less than 3 evps/mvps was on the list last year and every player with 5 or more was. You can check it if you like. hltv.org/news/22348/top-20-players-of-20..
2018-12-31 23:33
#131
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Ah my mistake for the 1.09 rating, I used top 20 BE in the filter thinking it was the filter for top 20 player rather than the events themselves hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. What would you consider a 'suitable' map count then? if you go below 50 then sergej is suddenly one of the best players in the world. Again as for the zeus and styko thing I misread the filter, but my point still stands, they would be still considered some of the best individual players in the world, which they aren't. And it is close they would be 28th and 29th respectively. EliGe did bad the start of the year, Cerq, ZywOo, valde, tabseN all did individually better than him throughout the year. ZyWOo has one of the highest ratings currently, 1.44 and the only reason it's lower on BE is because he hasn't gone to any yet, but he still retains a 1.5+ rating at LAN so it's not as if he's an onliner like XANTARES, where his form dips fairly significantly while at LAN. Just because certain players weren't on the list due to their evps etc. doesn't mean they wont be this year. EliGe shouldn't have been that high on the list that year too lmao, stewie did better that year as an individual (despite C9 still being a bit shit with n0thing and shroud). valde has a 1.1 rating, while also having a relatively dogshit team around him. IMO he deserves a spot more than EliGe ZyWOo has a 1.52 rating at LAN, while he is facing worse opponents, his team certainly isnt helping him out too much. He deserves it way more than EliGe tabseN has a team is far worse than Liquid yet his rating is still the same as EliGe. He deserves it proabably as much as EliGe The only reason I think Xyp9x should even be in the top 20 is because of his teamplay, if he was on any other team I doubt he would make the top 20. Once again, the players I listed that you dispute have nobody to pick them up a few maps when they're doing shit and pad them stats a little bit (other than the NRG trio). tabseN is probably the only good player on BIG, Valde and Kjaerbye are the only good players on North and even still Kjaerbye isnt doing too hot recently, and ZyWOo is currently solo carrying France. EliGe in Sept 2018 onwards is a top 20 player. 2018 as a whole EliGe isn't a top 20 player he got carried by 2 top 10 players, just like how I think Xyp9x should be very low on the list, because he got carried by his teammates. EliGe is like the opposite of flamie; flamie was amazing at Boston and for the first few months of 2018, in the later months of 2018 he did shit, EliGe did shit in the first few months of 2018 but in the later months did very well. I consider neither to be top 20 worthy because of this, if the awards were for best half year, then EliGe would be a top 20 2/2 2018 and flamie would be a top 20 1/2 2018 player, but its not. Take into account the entire year, not just the later months where EliGe got his form back.
2019-01-01 04:48
Bro you need to actually perform at big events and vs relevant top teams to be considered a top player. Zywoo is an amazing player but has yet to prove himself vs elite teams and if you actually think he belongs on the list this year over elige you're delusional. Its not just about map count it's about who you face for example tabsen has way less big event maps than autimatic but when you look at who hes actually played on LAN of relevant competion (top 20) they actually have a very similar amount of maps player. You need to actually apply context to these players and you cant just ignore evps and say "it will be different this year" they do a balance that favors stats but also takes into account placements and accolades because they show things that do not appear in stats such as utility usage, comms, teamplay, etc. The intangibles of the game appear in tournament success which is why you need to look at players that are playing at the highest level and why players on successful teams are always higher in the list. Just because kjaerbye has similar stats on a worse team than elige doesnt mean hes a better player or is more deserving of a spot, it's not like hes setting records like s1mple is hes just the 2ne best player on a tier 2 team meanwhile elige is the 3rd best player and a great roleplayer on an elite team.
2019-01-01 05:06
#139
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United Kingdom shmilx 
If you actually think ZyWOo doesn't deserve a top 20 individual performance award you must be damaged mentally. He's shown he is capable of competing against top tier teams, his team just isn't good enough to be playing against them at consistently. Why do you use "it's about who you face" but gloss over my argument that it matters who you play with too. I never said Kyaerbye was anywhere near EliGe in fact I said he wasn't doing to well. Stop taking certain arguments I make without addressing my entire point. I'll put it simply for you; EliGe 1st half of the year = bad, Liquid did well tho bcs of Twistzz and NAF. EliGe 2nd half of the year = good. The award is for the entire year, not for the later part, not for the mid part, not for the first few months. I don't understand why you don't get that. EliGe played bad and got carried the first half of the year, playing well the second half of the year imo doesn't make up for his bad performance earlier in the year. TACO is a 'roleplayer' and teamplayer too, nobody would ever put him close to the top 20 because of his poor stats. Being a roleplayer and teamplayer means nothing in terms of individual performance. I don't think I'll ever understand that argument. Na'Vi has had relative tournament success but if you hear the way Zeus talks to his team and how he shuts up anyone who has anything to say, you can see it's nothing to do with 'teamplay' or comms. Tournament success =/= good comms etc. I see what your saying, I just think a consistently above average player on a tier 2 team that almost always outperforms his team is more individually talented than someone who got carried for half a year on a tier 1 team by 2 top 10 players then played digustingly well for the later months. I don't get why you address certain parts but refuse to address other parts of what I say
2019-01-01 07:29
Zywoo wont be on the list and my will be much more accurate than yours for the reasons I've previously outlined. If its about the entire year than how can zywoo be on the list when he literally didnt play a LAN match until the end of June. He has 16 LAN maps total, he has 0 chance. You're literally ignoring all normally used metrics (big event stats, evps/mvps, and achievements, yes achievements have always been factored in but are less important than stats) to say that zywoo and valde are better than elige it just doesnt make any sense. In literally any other year with eliges performance he would be top 20, it's not going to be different this year just because you think zywoo deserves a spot
2019-01-01 09:30
#156
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United Kingdom shmilx 
It's almost like it's my opinion lmao. I'm not making the list based on what HLTV makes their list from. As an individual ZyWOo performed better throughout the year. You're literally ignoring parts of my argument and the fact I'm clearly stating my opinion, NOT what I think the list will be. If I were to put what I think the list would be then EliGe and other very inconsistent players would likely be on it, like FalleN for example who played shit for the entire year but has been doing much better recently so everything else is forgotten. How you can say ZyWOo doesn't deserve a top 20 spot with a LAN rating of 1.52 is weird. Do I think he will be on the HLTV list? No. Do I think he is a better player than EliGe? Absolutely. Would I put him in the top 20 individual players of this year? Absolutely. This isn't a competition of guessing the HLTV top 20, this is my opinion on top 20 individual players of 2018.
2019-01-01 12:19
#162
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United Kingdom shmilx 
*correction on my end, it's not so much my 'opinion'. More accurately it's what I think the list should be
2019-01-01 13:15
In no where does the list actually say individual. Its not just individual tournament wins do matter. If you want to make a top 20 individual list and put zywoo on it that's fine but it's a top 20 players list where stats and accolades come first and achievements are factored in after
2019-01-01 22:47
#161
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Idk if you watch or follow football, but the Ballon D'or was won by Luka Modric this year. By the metrics used in the Ballon D'or he won, is he the best player in the world? fuck no, Ronaldo or Messi are. Just because somebody doesn't meet the metrics used to determin who wins a competition doesn't mean they're worse. I completely disagree with the metrics used by HLTV to measure a player's individual performance, just like I disagree with the Ballon D'or's. BE matter too much (underperforming in lower tier events largely go unnoticed), trophies earned shouldn't be a factor, and the end of the year matters more than the beggining. A side note, can you link me to EVP statistics and such or do you have to find them individually from each event
2019-01-01 13:07
It's not that zywoo isnt good enough to face them consistently, he faced 0 top 10 teams this year, we have no idea how hell perform vs elite team. Signs point to well but we need actual proof of that before declaring him one of the best players in the world. Also if it was ONLY stat based then where were rpk and draken on the list last year? hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2017-01.. How do you explain them not making it with clear top 20 big event stats? Rpk top 3
2019-01-01 09:46
#158
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United Kingdom shmilx 
When did I ever say it's only based on stats, I use stats and the context the earned their stats from, e.g. 'valde 1.1 rating on a dogshit team' that also go to pretty big events. ZyWOo 1.52 rating, again on a dogshit team. Also, ZyWOo got a 1.41 rating against mousesports in a BO3, and a 1.66 rating in a BO3 against coL (15th at the time). It's not that we don't know how he will do, it's that he barely ever gets a chance. And he's not the best player in the world nor did I even remotely claim he was, I said he was individually a better player than EliGe, which he is.
2019-01-01 12:34
Top 20 = one of the best players in the world North is tier 2 and was top 10 most of the year that's not dogshit. One of 4 teams able to beat Astralis in a bo3. So zywoo has still played on 0 big events and vs 0 top 10 teams on LAN but hes an elite top 20 player this year. Sure buddy
2019-01-01 23:05
I really dont understand your argument If you take into account the whole year elige has a higher rating, better stats and more evps and trophies than all of those players. Not even sure how you can say that and think it helps your point Also stewie deserve top 20 more than elige last year? hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8738/EliG.. You're literally just making things up to try to help your point.
2019-01-01 05:10
#136
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United Kingdom shmilx 
That wasn't to help my point lmao ok tho, my b, I bought into the hype of Stewie in 2017. It's almost like I was talking about an entirely different year. Trophies are earned by a team, not an individual why are you barking so much about them. EliGe has one of the best teams in the world around him ofc he will win more than for example ZyWOo.
2019-01-01 07:15
Also I'm not sure how you think elige played bad the first half of the year hltv.org/stats/players/events/8738/EliGE.. In his first 8 of 16 events he had 2 of his 3 highest ratings and 5 out of 8 events with 1.1 or higher rating and only 1 negative event
2019-01-01 09:26
#154
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United Kingdom shmilx 
hltv.org/stats/players/8738/EliGE?startD.. He averaged an overall rating of 1.04 from late Jan - to the end of May. He was inconsistent this year, that's my problem with him, sure only looking at BE he does very well, but as a whole he didn't perform online or at smaller LANs. Whatever the reason for it he played bad in games where if anything he should have been doing better.
2019-01-01 12:12
hltv.org/stats/players/events/8523/tarik.. No he didnt lol his LAN events from Jan to may were 1.04 or higher besides 1 .95 event at iem katowice And tarik wasnt inconsistent? 5 negative events hltv.org/stats/players/events/8523/tarik.. Only 5 over 1.1
2019-01-01 23:10
#176
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Literally all you need to do is check EliGe’s rating graph lol. He averaged 1.04 in all games, if anything he should have been doing better in the ‘nobody online’ games tarik was inconsistent on an event based, I wouldn’t put him very high as a result. EliGe was inconsistent on a month basis, he did bad from jan to may where tarik and form problems in specific matches
2019-01-02 09:48
Right they both had different times when they performed well and when they had weaker ones, and in the average of those performances elige's rating at LAN is 1.12 and tariks is 1.03 I really dont understand how you can think tarik had a better year. and no he didnt, the graph is only for specific parts of the year it says it when you mouseover, his rating over the entire year is 1.12 gyazo.com/adc6e3feb9f159fb7fed19f4c2a025.. and his rating from late jan to the end of may hltv.org/stats/players/8738/EliGE?startD.. was 1.11 gyazo.com/eeb198a43b0ba7db9796edb4174bc3..
2019-01-02 09:53
#205
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
You do understand to top-tier teams do not care about online cs as long as they qualify they don't give a shit. so you shouldn't take online cs into account. Elige has a very busy schedule including lan and online. online doesn't matter as much to him as he goes to all the big events and they will usually qualify despite not putting maximum effort in. Every single online match actually matters to zywoo as that's the only way his team can qualify for events as they get invited to none. so those stats are incomparable. If you want a football analogy, think of elige as someone in the champions league who got to the semifinals and zywoo as someone in the Europa league who smashed everyone 4-0 and won easily. you cannot consider zywoo one of the best as he played against the tier 3-4 of Europe. whereas elige played against the top tier of Europe but didn't go as far.
2019-01-02 13:47
#219
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United Kingdom shmilx 
if someone gets a hattrick in 3/4 of his games in the Europa league, he is a better player than an average player on a semifinal CL team. If you individually destroy everyone in the Europa league you're still considered top tier player, whereas not every player on teams in the CL are top tier. Top tier teams do care about online cs, if you think any team doesn't care about an official then idk what to say to you. The stats are absolutely comparable, if someone underperforms online OR offline against teams that are considered considerably worse, it should be taken into account. A stat isn't 'incomparable' just because it's a lower tier match.
2019-01-02 15:35
#231
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
Sorry I didn't make this that clear but in my analogy I was assuming the elige and zywoo as teams, not actual football players
2019-01-02 21:50
#233
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Ah, I see, doesn't work as well as a comparison then really.
2019-01-02 21:53
Its because its not measurable. I had tabsen and valde on my list for reasons that they are the best player on their team and have carried and i expect to see them valde already happened. But when we compare say woxic and elige. its clear elige is on a much better team than woxic but its also clear that woxic didnt face nearly as many elite teams as elige neither did he get the EVPs for performing throughout the entire tournament. Theres also pros and cons to being on worse teams in terms of rating and stats. The entire team plays around woxic valde tabsen cerq so they all are going to have top tier performances at time because they are being fed resources and info and arent taking that many risks. Elige on the other hand is an entry fragger that make space for the stars of his team and therefore is somewhat sacrificial in his play and does not get to shine as often as these other players. Thus they both have areas where they benefit and where they fall due to their role and the team around them. With that said the only fair way to compare players is by their measurable output within the server over a relevant sample size.
2019-01-02 23:51
Then you contradict yourself by saying things like this "Tarik and Autimatic both won a major this year, their year was better than EliGe's." "Trophies are earned by a team, not an individual why are you barking so much about them. " Please explain how them winning a major is important but eliges titles and achievements are not. You can't have both.
2019-01-01 09:33
#152
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Tarik was the major MVP, he individually played well. As for Autimatic he played well individually throughout the year and the major. The Major point was more towards Tarik, but still works with Autimatic, he won a major then continued his good form throughout the year. EliGe has 4 trophies this year, tarik has 3 (one of which is a major) the argument that tarik isnt as good as EliGe bcs he has less trophies makes no sense, EliGe has one more trophy while having a susbstantially better team.
2019-01-01 12:07
#206
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
substantially better team? his teammates were fallen fer and stewie. oh what was that last player? only the best counter strike player last year..... cold fucking zera
2019-01-02 13:52
#220
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United Kingdom shmilx 
wow it's almost like 2018 is a different year than 2017... naf > cold twistzz >>> fer nitr0 = fallen taco > stewie (for support in a team compostition anyway)
2019-01-02 15:42
#236
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
Are you saying that the main. Reason that liquid are better than mibr is because they have better players?
2019-01-02 22:05
#237
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United Kingdom shmilx 
duh??? naf and twistzz are playing out of their mind and the usual players you would look to on mibr are underperforming
2019-01-02 22:08
#240
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
I actually think that Naf and cold are very similar level ATM nitro>fallen on a tactical level but on a skill level fallen>nitro But you are right about twistzz if he keeps on his path and stays consistent then he should be a top 3 player this year and challenge s1mple for the best player in the world. Oh and also I think structure and player roles and tactics are the main reason liquid are better than mibr
2019-01-02 22:15
Yeah not sure what hes talking about, every top 7 or so team has enough skill to win tournaments. Its their approach and adaption/execution of their chosen style that they fail far behind in to Astralis and somewhat Liquid.
2019-01-03 02:08
#159
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Also like I said previously trophies are won by a team, EliGe has 2 top 10 players on his team and still only has Malta (a tier 2/3 event) and cs_summit 2 (a tier 2 event) hltv.org/player/8738/EliGE#tab-trophiesB.. Tarik has 2 trophies (a major and a tier 2/3 event) and an MVP, by your standards he is better. EliGe's titles end at 2 trophies, tarik has the same amount of trophies and Autimatic has 1. You're saying it like EliGe has many more trophies than the tarik and auti, he has the same as tarik and 1 less than auti. EliGe's titles ARE less than winning a major he won a tier 2 event and a tier 3 event, coupled with the fact tarik and auti were probably C9's best players.
2019-01-01 12:55
You realize 2nd and 3rd-4th are still considered high placing right? And I like you're now completely ignoring evps and rating. Elige has 4 more evps than autimatic and a .09 rating advantage over tarik. He 100% makes it over those 2 or will at least be higher
2019-01-01 22:36
#180
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United Kingdom shmilx 
You’ve never once said anything about deep runs, and that should absolutely not be considered when think of an individual performance, runs in an event are team based not individual. As for ratings and evps that would make chrisj an individually stronger player than tarik, which he just isn’t. It’s like you’ve never watched a game this year and just check HLTV for player stats. There are several more examples of players with higher rating that are weaker individually. Example: naf has a lower rating and less evps and less trophies than xyp, bad is better though and I’m sure you would say the same.
2019-01-02 10:03
So tariks major win counts but eliges deep runs dont? You constantly contradict yourself. and for the 2nd part i already countered it below. NAF has 9 evps, Xy9 has 6 evps NAF has a higher rating, impact, ADR, and damage difference per round. So yes I'd consider NAF > xyp, the same why i consider elige > tarik for the same reasons. You preach individualism but when you compare the individual metrics of tarik to elige, elige wins. He has higher ADR, impact, kast, rating,
2019-01-02 10:06
By my standards tarik isnt event close. I've said it multiple times. Stats are first then evps/mvps then achievements. Elige has 5 EVPs tarik has 1 MVP elige wins Elige has 11 top 4 and 6 2nd places with 0 big event wins Tarik has 3 top 4s and 1 big event win Elige wins Elige has a 1.12 big event rating, tarik has a 1.03 big event rating Elige wins
2019-01-01 22:55
#178
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United Kingdom shmilx 
5 EVPs 2 tier 2/3 trophies < Major MVP, major winner and another trophy imo especially when considering the teammates they have and the fact tarik was IGL during his time with C9 Chris j has more evps than tarik and more trophies, and more deep runs in events with a similar rating. Is he individually better than tarik? Fuck no.
2019-01-02 09:57
5 EVPs 2 tier 2/3 trophies < Major MVP, major winner and another trophy imo especially when considering the teammates they have and the fact tarik was IGL during his time with C9 No it doesnt 5 EVPS > 1 major MVP 11 top4 s 6 2nd places > 3 top4s 1 major win ChrisJ isnt better individually than tarik but thats not what the list is. Its not "best individual players" its "best players" meaning its more than just individualism, Chrisj is and has been a more valuable player than tarik over the course of the year through his leadership and playmaking on mouz, is he more skilled than tarik? No but that doesnt mean he cant have the same impact as him and be a better player. Neither of them are making the list like elige. This conversation officially cannot go any farther if you disagree that tariks major MVP is greater than 5 EVPs, thats ridiculous, His performance 1 one event trumps eliges performance at 5? If you honestly believe that we just have extremely different views on the game, however mine seems to be more in line with others thought and especially with the HLTV writers, Tarik isnt making the list 100% now, 20th was his only chance, You will see elige around 15th-16th, Happy new year.
2019-01-02 10:03
#184
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United Kingdom shmilx 
“The list isn’t top 20 individual players” ha e you not even read what my list is based on? And I you think EliGe’s trophies trump tarik’s you should look back at Liquid’s trophies. And absolutely being the best plyer in one of the year’s biggest event is better than being a top5 player at other events
2019-01-02 10:09
Your list has zywoo so it can be whatever you want. Im actually trying to be objective. We have different goals and ideals with the lists so lets just agree to disagree
2019-01-02 10:42
#189
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Sure, I think you misunderstood what my list was (also my fault for not making it fully clear), it wasn't a prediction of HLTV's top 20, it was top 20 individual players this year from my opinion.
2019-01-02 11:21
I still dont think that's fair due to him not facing any elite teams. And you act like his team doesnt help him but they arent bad or inexperienced players they're just not elite at the moment. They're major winners and a veteran role player who have done everything to set him up in the best positions and now a new younger IGL who has proven to be effective in tier 2. He has resources in the game constantly and its clear he has a very high skill peak and decent consistency but how do we know he will be able to do it in tier 1 where there are at least 20 players who have PROVEN they can. As you can see by my flair I clearly want them to do well I just feel like your ranking is very subjective and pieced together in a way that only you could understand. Also when you made the list I asked you to name 20 players that were better than elige not better individually. Being a player is about much more than hitting shots and that's why the rankings are done in the matter they are. That's fine if that's your individual list but that doesnt mean those players deserve to be on HLTVs list which is measurably objective in its findings and rankings and was also the original conversation.
2019-01-02 11:30
#193
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United Kingdom shmilx 
He has faced one elite team and although he lost his individual performance was insane, similarly he destroyed coL when they were one of the better teams in the world. I don't think he would be very high up on the list because of what you mentioned (not facing many elite teams) but as an individual he has proved he can perform against very good teams a few times. I'm assuming you're referring to NBK- in your second part, although he is a veteran role player, he is very new to the IGL role and has failed before on G2 with an arguably better team comp (individually they were more skilled bar ZyWOo, but with m1xwell's French being relatively basic I imagine it complicated things). As for the majors he won, they were not only in different roles, they were also in different metas along with the fact it was 3 years and 4 years ago respectively. ZyWOo's team isn't 'bad' but considering where they want to be on the international stage the team is underperforming hard, other than ZyWOo. NBK- has been doing decent considering he's in a new role but also playing against a lower competition but RpK has been doing poorly (other than a few matches where he transformed into his true form; le tank) apEX has been playing well too, and HappyV has been bad for a while. But like G2 proved, you can't have 2 carries and 3 supportive players and expect to do well. As for naming players better than EliGe, 'better' is a subjective term and varies from person to person. Some people would say someone like olof is better than EliGe despite being worse individually, purely due to his teamplay. When someone asks me for 'better' I assume they mean individual performance. And I can think a player deserves to be on the HLTV list as much as I want, I think Ronaldo deserved the Ballon D'or more so than Luka Modric, just because Modric won doesn't make opinion invalid, similarly just because ZyWOo wont be on the list doesn't mean my opinion that he deserves a spot invalid.
2019-01-02 11:43
Major winners apex and nbk Veteran role player rpk New Igl alex Happy got replaced Alex is talented and will bring new ideas NBK has been doing well their t sides are good Rpk has been good in his role and they qualified for 2/3 events they attempted to and won the only LAN theyve been to. Theyve pretty much done as much as they could in the time that theyve been together besides a few suspect wins and close games vs lower tier teams online. Taking mouz to 3 maps and being competitive is good progress and happy was clearly an issue because his performance wasnt even that bad it was probably his attitude that got him kicked. Navi has 2 carries and 3 supportive elements it's not about the roles you have it's about players actually stepping up when they need to. NBK has the ability to do that he just needs the team to accept his style so he can also be comfortable. The team is versatile and has role players, the issue isnt talent it's getting teamplay to a high level and finding and executing a style that works as good for them as the Astralis/liquid/fazes (earlier in the year).
2019-01-02 11:45
#196
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United Kingdom shmilx 
I wouldn't call flamie a 'supportive element' Edward and Zeus are the supportive elements in Na'Vi, flamie is more of attempting carry player, plus s1mple and electronic combined are more like 3 players instead of 2 let's be honest lol. Veteran role player RpK, he's just not performing though is the problem, which is really unfortunate because when he does he is the essence of a brilliant CS player, when he plays well he plays smart hits shots and rarely gives away a man advantage. apEX is certainly the other amazing player on Vitality and lives up to his name as a major winner, he's the best entry in the French speaking scene and among the best entries of CS:GO. As for NBK- his IGLing is decent considering he's new to it, but my point was he no longer has the excuse of being an okay fragging support player, he's measured now on his ability to lead which has had varying success. As for ALEX I don't know much about him but hopefully he does better than HappyV. (The reason I said Happy was playing bad was because considering the teams he's against he should be playing much better)
2019-01-02 11:54
Either way your point about zywoos team not helping him and being poor is false.
2019-01-02 12:03
#201
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United Kingdom shmilx 
How so? apEX is playing good Happy did bad or average at best, RpK was playing generally very poor, and NBK- is underperforming in the majority of his games. ZyWOo and apEX carry Vitality rn btw I'm not mentioning ALEX because he's a very new addition and haven't even played an official yet with him
2019-01-02 12:09
Rpk was playing average and nbk is playing good. Apex is playing great Zywoo is playing amazingly And they all play around zywoo and set him up. Rpk and nbk are very smart players. Obviously the team is set up so zywoo and apex carry.
2019-01-02 12:33
#222
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United Kingdom shmilx 
When considering their competition rpk and nbk are underperforming. It's really highlighted in the matches against top 30 opponents rpk&nbk vs mous bo3: 0.92&0.91 rpk&nbk vs G2 bo3: 0.89&0.69 rpk&nbk vs coL bo3: 0.88&1.04 rpk vs LG bo3: 0.82 rpk&nbk vs vega bo3: 0.94&1.0 rpk vs avangar bo3: 0.86
2019-01-02 15:53
I'm not going to judge an IGL in a supportive role purely off of rating. Their t sides have been good and they have a decent map pool for a young team and even some tactical maps like overpass and nuke which you dont always see from French teams (mainly overpass) Rpk yes hes not a tier 1 player anymore but hes been filling the role well and allowing the stars to shine. Unless they can get someone like amanek or ... ??? Then rpk should stay
2019-01-02 21:52
Elige is a better roleplayer with better teamplay as far as we can tell (utility usage, known to have great comms, shows in tournament success) than olof right now so anyone that made that argument would be an idiot especially since olof missed months of play this year. Then if they actually tried to be objective theyd see elige has a higher rating and more evps. Theres literally no backing for that argument. Please tell me this year what olof did better than elige himself?
2019-01-02 11:49
#198
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Just using olof as an example of an individually worse player but known for his teamplay and information he gets. ChrisJ could be another exmaple of an individually worse player but could be argued to be better team player. Not saying olof is better than EliGe just using an example of differing opinions on the term 'better'
2019-01-02 11:58
Eh none of those arguments would be objective otherwise theyd favor elige.
2019-01-02 21:53
#235
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United Kingdom shmilx 
-.- you're just being a prick now, you get what I mean stop acting like you don't. ChrisJ could be looked at as a better player because of his teamplay etc.
2019-01-02 22:01
Yes chrisj in certain aspects is better than elige. But there is no argument to be made that overall chrisj is a better player than elige when you consider all relevant metrics.
2019-01-02 22:13
#245
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Chris J could be seen as a better overall player, he's an IGL, plays support and still gets a decent rating. I don't think he is, but you get what I mean
2019-01-02 22:18
Not by anyone logical
2019-01-02 22:30
#255
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United Kingdom shmilx 
lol what a cunt, logically you're a dickhead on the internet that thinks no matter what he's right.
2019-01-02 22:33
Well yes? When I'm right I think I'm right and I've been right about pretty much everything this debate. You've yet to prove any of the players I disputed are better than elige and therefore your list can only be seen as biased and subjective which is fine because its your list. Like I said many comments ago we have different goals and ideals for the list and should agree to disagree
2019-01-02 22:44
#209
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
you don't just look at trophies you look at achievements meaning top 4 placements and 2nd places at big events
2019-01-02 14:05
#218
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United Kingdom shmilx 
You clearly haven't read the thread, please go back and read it in it's entirety or don't post on it at all. I'm not refering to the HLTV top 20 at all, I'm talking about my list of top 20 individual players of 2018. My reference to trophies was in referal to his claim EliGe had more trophies than tarik, which isn't true, in contrast tarik has the same amount but a much more prestigous one too.
2019-01-02 15:29
Yes but when I said trophies I thought youd have the brainpower to know that top 4s count as high placings, that's why HLTV did their top teams and counted all 1st 2nd 3rd and 3rd-4th placings for their rankings.
2019-01-02 22:14
#243
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Sorry I didn't realise you got a trophy for 3rd-4th place. idiot.
2019-01-02 22:17
Some tournaments give medals to 2nd and 3rd place so yeah you do sometimes. What even is your argument at this point? You failed to name 20 players better than elige in any objective matter and you seemingly forgot multiple basic things throughout the argument such as HLTV filters, tariks time on MiBR, and contradicted yourself multiple time and yet I'm the idiot. Sure buddy.
2019-01-02 22:19
#249
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Wow it's almost like you also contradicted yourself, failed to address parts of my points and being able to read a list of 20+ players. If you're illiterate you're an idiot pal. Trophies =/= good event runs, say what you mean, otherwise people will get confused because believe it or not I'm not gong to infer completely seperate things
2019-01-02 22:23
I didnt contradict myself once please copy paste the two lines that contradict each other. I addressed all of your points, please tell me any that I didnt counter, I'd be happy to. I read the entire list and disputed 10 players placing elige at 15th-16th No matter how you look at the argument elige is better than all of those players I disputed, individual and teamplay wise.
2019-01-02 22:25
#257
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United Kingdom shmilx 
"Yes but when I said trophies" "top 4s count as high placings" going back on what you said. I disputed several of your disputes, you only redisputed tarik and cerq with an actual conclusion A point I made about how EliGe got carried the first few months you never dispute or even mention
2019-01-02 22:36
That's not a contradiction that's a misunderstanding that I had to clarify No you havent out of the 10 I disputed (zywoo tabsen tarik autimatic brehze Issa woxic k0nfig cerq valde) you have not made any legitimate arguments for.
2019-01-02 22:39
#264
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United Kingdom shmilx 
ZyWOo was we agreed to disagree. autimatic has similar BE stats, with a significantly worse team tabseN is the same as auti brehze ur right on issaa, woxic, valde, k0nfig again the same as auti, similar stats significantly worse team to play around.
2019-01-02 22:45
Zywoo i agreed should never make it on a top 20 HLTV list this year but could be on yours They have the same big event rating but elige did it over way more maps and has way more evps, same vs tabsen and all of the players below have lower ratings or almost no big event maps/evps.
2019-01-02 23:25
#309
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United Kingdom shmilx 
1. This entire thing is my list, not a predition of HLTV's, I have said it many times now. 2. Why do you refuse to take into account that the teams these players are on are much worse than Liquid, yet they perform similarly to EliGe
2019-01-02 23:28
Yes he can be on yours but no HLTVS, so you didnt dispute it. Objectively s1mple also plays on a worse team than Elige, so does electronic but they both have significantly better stats and EVPs/MVPs than him. I refuse to take that into account because its not measurable and therefore shouldnt be considered. What do you want me to compare and say nitro is x better than zeus and NAF is y better than flamie so elige gets an 11.473% decrease in stats due to playing with better players? The rankings are about measurable output in the server. Gla1ve has the same rating as twistzz and has 4 players who are literally top 1 or 2 in his role yet pretty much everyone (including myself) agrees gla1ve should be above twistzz. Also these players have WAY less big event map counts which skews ratings a little and also have almost no evps or MVPs which are pretty much purely individual, s1mple proved that.
2019-01-02 23:33
#316
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United Kingdom shmilx 
dev1ce very much disproved MVPs are sometimes just a popularity and stat contest. To me, looking at the circumstances and teams the players earn their rating is really important. And that's more of a subjective thing than an objective thing, you cant you use objective thinking for everything. As for gla1ve, I agree he should be above twistzz, but for the pure fact he's IGL and can still perform and even keep up with dev1ce and dupreeh a lot of the time. None of this was disputing whether they would make a HLTV top 20, this is all about what I would consider the top 20 individual players
2019-01-02 23:39
Device was still the best performer on his team measurably every time he won the MVP. Yes you should look at context but you cant deny facts such as MVPS and EVPs and rating while doing it. If youre going to make an indivudaly list then compare by individual metrics such as ADR KPR rating clutches impact evps etc. If you consider those players top 20 thats fine but it doesnt make it true or objective.
2019-01-02 23:41
#323
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United Kingdom shmilx 
My problem with what you're saying is you dont take into account the teams these players are on though, you completely ignore that. You're saying 'yes it should be taken into account' but you dont
2019-01-02 23:44
Also the entire thing may be your list but what i originally asked you to provide was 20 players better than elige this year in the context of HLTVs rankings. You said "EliGe and nitr0 shouldn't even be on the list" You didnt say "wouldnt be on my individual list" you said shoulnt be in the top 20 HLTV list
2019-01-02 23:39
#319
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Shouldn't be on the list, it's never specified what the list is about or that it's my opinion, my bad for not communicating that. Although I definitely didn't say they shouldn't be in HLTV top 20, I also didn't specify what I meant specifically
2019-01-02 23:41
So would you agree Elige should be in HLTVs top 20 2018?
2019-01-02 23:43
#325
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Of course, this isn't even the first time I said it in the posts
2019-01-02 23:46
I 100% disputed that point in post #177 he didnt get carried. You said he had a 1.04 rating in that time period. I proved you wrong using hltvs date filter
2019-01-02 22:41
#265
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United Kingdom shmilx 
he did have a 1.04 rating, simply use the rating graph on his player profile.
2019-01-02 22:46
No he didnt he had a 1.04 rating for a month.
2019-01-02 22:47
#270
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United Kingdom shmilx 
an average from late Jan to end of May of aroud 1.04. Yes he did, that's a simple fact hltv.org/stats/players/8738/EliGE
2019-01-02 22:49
I linked you his exact stats and matches. From that time period, you dont need to look at the graph and you're also looking at online + LAN matches as well lol
2019-01-02 22:50
#273
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United Kingdom shmilx 
online matches dont matter? That's such an 'illogical' argument, it's a lesser match so we just completely ignore it
2019-01-02 22:51
Never said they didnt matter. But they actually only increase his rating so it doesnt really jhelp your point
2019-01-02 23:44
#324
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United Kingdom shmilx 
This is old this was the mix up of the graphs still
2019-01-02 23:45
Bro I literally linked u his stats in that time period. You're disagreeing with facts from 1-17-18 to 5-31-18 elige had a 1.11 LAN rating hltv.org/stats/players/events/8738/EliGE.. Just do the math how could he possibly have a 1.04 LAN rating when he only had 1 event below 1.04
2019-01-02 22:49
#271
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United Kingdom shmilx 
I never said his LAN rating was 1.04. I said his rating was 1.04 which it was, don't move the goal post
2019-01-02 22:50
Wrong link
2019-01-02 22:52
#275
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Literally look at the graph, his rating is clearly an average of around 1.04/1.05
2019-01-02 22:53
I dont understand your obsession with the graph its clearly not ad accurate as his raw numbers which are literally right here hltv.org/stats/players/8738/EliGE?startD.. From 1-17-18 to 5-31-18 he has a 1.16 rating in all matches
2019-01-02 22:55
#277
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the graph and why do you say the graph is inaccurate
2019-01-02 22:57
#208
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
now you are just contradicting yourself you keep om talking about consistency and then you talk about tariks one massive major mvp performance yet what about his major falloff after that, not one performance close to that level.....
2019-01-02 13:56
#216
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Tarik played decent throughout the year and had a very good run at the start. EliGe played BAD at the beggining of the year, then played good at the end. Looking back at tarik's stats he did absolutely fall completely off once he joined mibr, but the whole point of my use of saying tarik's major mvp and wins was that Jammin was saying EliGe has more important titles and achievements, which imo he didn't (same trophies and major mvp is around equal to several evps imo)
2019-01-02 15:23
#228
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
I really do t understand your logic there First let's look at MVPs and evps Consistently the one of the best players over 5 different tournaments Vs the best at one tournament in the year???? How is 1 tournament with no consistency > than 5 with consistency?? Secondly, when talking about achievements you not only talk about tournament wins but also feel runs, So top 4 placements and 2nd places. Elige: 2 trophies 8 finals (6 big events) 5 top 4s Tarik: 2 trophies 5 finals (2 big events) 2 top 4s Elige's achievements in 2018 > tarik's achievements in 2018
2019-01-02 19:50
#229
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United Kingdom shmilx 
I generally don't take into account deep runs, They aren't 'achievements' a win is an achievement. tarik's trophies were definitely bigger achievements than EliGe's. You missed what I'm saying in my post, tarik played consistently decent (though when he joined mibr he went down the shitter and completely my fault for completely forgetting he joined and his performance in that team) and had one amazing event. EliGe's start to the year was pretty bad and then fluctuated more so than tarik's. TL;DR For the most part when I was talking about tarik I completely forgot about his time at mibr, oops. But I still stand by my point that deep runs shouldn't be considered 'achievements'
2019-01-02 20:00
#238
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
Well I'm going to have to dissagree with you there. So your saying that coming 2nd in a tournament is not an achievement. Surely if you looked at it like this way then you would see north as a better team than liquid as they have won a tier 1 trophy in the last season
2019-01-02 22:10
#242
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United Kingdom shmilx 
North's run at (can't remember the name but the tier 1 event they won) was very clearly a fluke, MSL turned into jesus incarnate, but I see what you mean, taken out of context purely looking at 1st places North looks like the better team. When you give context and how that run was very clearly a run of VERY good form that hasn't been seen by MSL before and likely will never be seen again North remains a very good team but not better than Liquid
2019-01-02 22:15
Right and when you take the context of liquids consistency vs tariks placements it's also clear that the major was also a run of VERY good form and that liquid was clearly superior to any team that tarik was on with their high placements many finals and monthly top 4s at big events over the year So IF we were to give points for achievements elige would win but you decided we cant give points for achievements so we only look at individual performance where elige still wins.
2019-01-02 22:31
#251
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Liquid was better than FaZe during the Boston Major? I admit I was wrong about tarik, like I said it completely escaped my mind that he even joined mibr. EliGe was better than tarik in 2018. Happy now, you arrogant prick?
2019-01-02 22:26
You can insult me all you want doesnt change the fact that you literally tried to compare 2 players and forgot about a team that one of them has been on for 6 months when I linked countless stat pages of him underperforming on that team. It's almost like you didnt even try to educate yourself by clicking on the links.
2019-01-02 22:29
#256
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United Kingdom shmilx 
You insulted me first lmao?? Why play the victim
2019-01-02 22:34
I didnt insult you I asked you what your point was and stated facts about our debate you just took offense. You saying "idiot" above was the first insult
2019-01-02 22:37
#260
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United Kingdom shmilx 
"Yes but when I said trophies I thought youd have the brainpower" That's clearly an insult and was before I called you an idiot
2019-01-02 22:39
No it isnt that's you misunderstanding something that is common terminology on HLTV and me calling you out for what seemed to be willfully twisting words and playing dumb.
2019-01-02 22:46
#268
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United Kingdom shmilx 
It's a clear insult dude, you know it lol, straight up you started insulting, I reacted, you played victim
2019-01-02 22:47
No it wasnt lol you literally started using semantics
2019-01-02 22:57
#279
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United Kingdom shmilx 
I used logic to see what you were infering? It was an insult, if it wasn't an insult what was it
2019-01-02 23:00
Calling someone an idiot and a prick is an insult
2019-01-02 23:02
#283
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Infering someone doesn't have the brain power to do something which you portray as a simple task is an insult
2019-01-02 23:05
Which is why i characterized it as a misunderstanding because you actully were confused not playing dumb
2019-01-02 23:06
#287
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United Kingdom shmilx 
You didn't cahracterise it as a a misunderstanding, you chracterised it as an insult, very clearly
2019-01-02 23:07
Characterized as in after the fact in #266
2019-01-02 23:08
#291
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United Kingdom shmilx 
It was uncharacterised until I had already insulted you. You went back on an insult then played the victim
2019-01-02 23:11
Okay if you think "brainpower" = idiot arrogant prick then whatever. You clearly went over the line
2019-01-02 23:13
#295
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United Kingdom shmilx 
I reacted, I didn't "go over a line" you insulted me and I retorted, don't play the victim
2019-01-02 23:15
1 insult = 3 insults? K
2019-01-02 23:16
#298
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United Kingdom shmilx 
You played the victim when I started insulting you, that's pretty low. You started it then played the victim like you hadn't dont anything wrong
2019-01-02 23:18
I never played the victim. 3 insults is not equal to 1. You just overreacted and got mad because you were wrong
2019-01-02 23:19
#301
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United Kingdom shmilx 
No, you played the victim, you're saying I'm overreacting because you started insulting me and got annoyed someone dared to insult you back
2019-01-02 23:21
Eh after 3 insults to 1 im entitled to the victim card because you took it way too far in multiple posts.
2019-01-02 23:22
#307
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United Kingdom shmilx 
You're entitled to play a victim card because you couldn't finish a fight you started? and it was 2 insults, don't act like buddy in that context isnt an insult lol
2019-01-02 23:26
"idiot" "arrogant" "prick" You know nothing about me, those are all insults.
2019-01-02 23:28
#336
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
I never called you any of those?????
2019-01-03 19:16
You're 100% correct I replied to the wrong person my apologies.
2019-01-03 20:21
#340
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
It's calm don't worry
2019-01-04 02:56
Im not refusing to acknowledge the graph, the graph shows a 3 month period of performance we are talking about a span of 4 months and 2 weeks so at any point on the graph about 33% of the data will be missing. If you just look at the overall rating (which is listed at the top right) youll see his TOTAL rating over the course of the time period. Some of the graph also covers maps from last year as it is 3 month periods so say if i mouse over mid january it will count 1.5 months back and 1.5 months forwards leaving me with a good amount of matches counted from the previous (and irrelevant to this conversation) year.
2019-01-02 23:04
#282
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Ty for starting a new thread, could barely see the other one. You are refusing to acknowledge the graph. It doesn't matter where you are in the graph mathematically the average would be around 1.04/05 regardless of which area of the graph you used even when starting where the lower boundary is not in laat year
2019-01-02 23:07
gyazo.com/774ac8955a7ae81728681cf74528f9.. but that discludes most of february and the end of January. How is that more fair than using his total rating from the entire time span?
2019-01-02 23:05
#289
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United Kingdom shmilx 
Like I said regardless of where you mouse over you can start where the lower boundary is 1st Jan. How is it not fair
2019-01-02 23:10
Its not fair because these are the matches he played during that time hltv.org/stats/players/matches/8738/EliG.. This is every single match FOR ELIGE from MID JAN to END OF MAY He has a 1.16 rating over ALL of the matches he played
2019-01-02 23:12
#294
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United Kingdom shmilx 
How can he have a 1.11 rating during that time when his peak on the graph in that time frame is 1.07
2019-01-02 23:14
Because the graph is inaccurate like i said it counts spans, not the whole time period. I dont know how you can disagree with his stats when theyre literally being linked to you. He played THOSE matches, the algorithm says that 1.16 rating is his total rating over that time period for the matches within said span.
2019-01-02 23:18
#300
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United Kingdom shmilx 
No I mean that's like actual confusion, mathematically he can't have a rating of 1.11 or 1.16 with the graphs stats regardless of which relevant 3 month period you use
2019-01-02 23:20
Which is why ive been stressing the entire time that the graph is inaccurate and should not be used for comparison. Instead use actual determined ratings over time periods
2019-01-02 23:21
#304
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United Kingdom shmilx 
It's not that it's inaccurate, it's like completely different, it must be a different calculation entirely
2019-01-02 23:24
oooh its rating 1.0
2019-01-02 23:26
#311
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United Kingdom shmilx 
bruh
2019-01-02 23:28
#312
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United Kingdom shmilx 
my entire life is a lie T.T
2019-01-02 23:29
:( Reply needs to have actual content
2019-01-02 23:34
#318
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United Kingdom shmilx 
god damn it D:
2019-01-02 23:39
#104
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
Gla1ve should be above twistzz and xyp Higher rating and same or more trophies Cold should directly before or after krimz because they have had similar years as individual performances go
2018-12-29 11:39
#106
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Brazil VeryColdGuy 
one of worsts top 20 i ever seen
2018-12-29 11:43
Coldzera has 1.16 rating and 4 EVPs. Thus, he has to be 9-11 placed
2018-12-29 11:55
#110
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Brazil Mirekz 
yea and when it comes to rating coldzera got top 8 this year hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. "unbiased" xD
2018-12-29 21:54
True, and coldzera deserves top 10 without a doubt. But it depends on how hltv is counting MVPs and EVPs
2018-12-29 21:56
#112
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Europe kvvach 
cold in top20 omegalul
2018-12-29 21:59
Sunny > oskar tbh, more consistent despite the lack of an MVP. Cold will be higher. Gla1ve will be higher than xyp9x. I doubt all 5 astralis players are in top 10. NAF/electronic/magisk might flip. Wouldn't be surprised if NAF is somehow 4th too. nitr0 won't be top 20. Fallen might be top 20. While autimatic is probably the US player, I'm sure C9 has won enough to warrant him being in top20. Tarik's major MVP basically guarantees him a top 20 spot. Edit; Made my own list: 1. Simple 2. device 3. Niko 4. dupreeh 5. Naf 6. Magisk 7. Electronic 8. Twistzz 9. glaive 10. Coldzera 11. Elige 12. Xyp9x 13. Guardian 14. Sunny 15. Krimz 16. Oskar 17. Ropz 18. Flamie 19. Fallen 20. Tarik
2018-12-30 07:20
Zywoo TOP1
2018-12-30 17:36
s1mple top1? LOL. He will be top2 for sure, just accept it.
2018-12-30 23:37
#134
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
> Tired of seeing threads that are completely biased > Picks 6 NA players.
2019-01-01 05:12
+111111111111
2019-01-01 09:24
#210
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
should only be 3 and that the 3 liquid stars
2019-01-02 14:12
#211
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Tarik will probably make it due to the Major MVP, Naf and Twistzz are for certain and elige is debatable but that's it imho
2019-01-02 14:34
#212
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
I don't think so if he had any chance it was at #20 maybe #19 Definitely seeing elige around #14
2019-01-02 14:52
#213
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Yeah if I don't see Tarik coming next or at 18/17th at most I believe he has been left out as well.
2019-01-02 14:53
#135
XigN | 
Korea crepes 
autimatic and fucking tarik is on the top 20 lol good meme
2019-01-01 05:13
Tbh the top 4 should be 1: s1mple 2: NiKo 3: device 4: electronic
2019-01-01 09:24
#191
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Brazil Mirekz 
tell me why electronic? he has worse rating than 3 of Astralis players and also didn't achieve anything
2019-01-02 11:28
#215
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Tbh I think all of the Astralis team will be top 10. Dupreeh and Magisk will be ranked higher than electronic. It will probably look like: 1. s1mple 2. dev1ce 3. niko 4. dupreeh/magisk 5. magisk/dupreeh 6. electronic 7. NAF 8. glaive 9. twistzz 10. Xyp9x
2019-01-02 14:55
I think cold and krimz > xyp9x
2019-01-03 02:10
#332
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Don't know, I'm hoping Cold gets inside the top 10 but I don't think that's likely at this point.
2019-01-03 02:13
-krimz -tarik -auti -sunny others seem logical
2019-01-01 09:48
pretty accurate list
2019-01-01 12:02
#153
shox | 
Netherlands TriixY 
2019-01-01 12:08
nt real top5: 1.device 2.NiKo 3.xyp9x 4.dupreeh 5.s1mple
2019-01-01 12:12
I r8 ur b8 0/8
2019-01-01 13:01
#224
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Poland ULTRALUL 
LUL 0/8
2019-01-02 17:58
#168
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Brazil JMB_17 
18. Coldzera Ok
2019-01-01 22:48
#172
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Finland Lehtori 
Coldzera besterest player 2018 if no i will throw stones at hltv hq
2019-01-01 23:06
#174
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Brazil JMB_17 
you are right
2019-01-02 03:12
#227
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Finland Lehtori 
IKR #Justiceforcoldzera!
2019-01-02 19:10
#185
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Finland Emvi 
nitr0 tarik unbiased flag checks out
2019-01-02 10:26
one of the worst lists I've seen so far
2019-01-02 10:54
#192
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Bulgaria VladimiroW 
#19 should be CeRq
2019-01-02 11:30
#217
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France Minaax_ 
Show was so good in 2018 he should be #1
2019-01-02 15:29
no tabsen no top40
2019-01-02 22:19
#305
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Brazil jmarcelo 
top 5 will be 1-device 2-s1mple 3-magisk 4-dupreeh 5-Xyp9x
2019-01-02 23:25
seems reasonable
2019-01-02 23:54
#335
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Denmark Xipingu 
I agree but how the fuck is nitr0 in top 20? Wut
2019-01-03 19:16
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