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NiKo deserves top 2
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Poland MIBR_is_so_fckin_bad_LUL 
Carrying his team and even in game leading for last 2 months and still being a god while device getting that ez kills with awp and stealing mvps from dupreeeh
2019-01-01 20:48
POLSKA KURWA
2019-01-01 20:48
yes thats me
2019-01-01 20:50
How much? Not the bet but the kurwa thing
2019-01-01 22:37
Asking similar thing I'm declared heterosexual but maybe I'm gonna give a try with man's bj
2019-01-02 00:21
As long as you don't touch his dick its no homo
2019-01-02 00:51
Ok XD
2019-01-02 08:28
As long as you say "no homo" its no homo
2019-01-02 09:00
+1
2019-01-11 14:50
#166
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World neomax360 
EZ #3 for Niko
2019-01-02 16:49
cyka semechki
2019-01-01 20:50
lul
2019-01-01 20:53
+111111111
2019-01-01 20:48
#276
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Denmark Cleandog 
Sad comment! Niko should be happy with #5 that team destroying trump-like-twittering kid.
2019-01-11 21:13
#3
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Poland wiktorex 
+111111111
2019-01-01 20:49
#278
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Denmark Cleandog 
Jesus!!! Sad comment! Niko should be happy with #5 that team destroying trump-like-twittering kid.
2019-01-11 21:14
#4
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Ukraine dieded_inside 
he deserves it only because of one s1mple reason because device shouldn't be even top2
2019-01-01 20:49
#16
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Netherlands duudiGOD 
+1
2019-01-01 20:57
#279
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Denmark Cleandog 
By god and jesus including deep sigh. Sad comment! Niko should be happy with #5 that team destroying trump-like-twittering kid.
2019-01-11 21:15
True
2019-01-02 09:00
#104
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United Kingdom alexx5 
+1
2019-01-02 11:00
#105
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Zer0w0 
+1+1+1+1+1+1
2019-01-02 11:03
#172
fer | 
Brazil 1VTRR 
+1
2019-01-02 17:10
#189
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Denmark Lil187 
Cry mea river, Device aint top2 hes top1 fags
2019-01-02 17:53
#199
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Afghanistan crywolf1337 
haahahahahahaha
2019-01-02 19:15
xd
2019-01-09 04:05
+1
2019-01-02 21:58
+1
2019-01-04 07:25
+8
2019-01-01 20:50
#8
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
+1
2019-01-01 20:50
#9
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
I say +1 People say flair checks out(mine)
2019-01-01 20:51
#192
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
Flair checks out
2019-01-02 18:16
#237
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
Xddddddďdddddddddddddddddddddddddd
2019-01-03 13:20
#10
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Europe Ringwraith 
2019-01-01 20:51
I was searching for that one,thanks
2019-01-02 09:01
why is naf 4 and cold 8, this list is a joke
2019-01-04 07:03
Lmao what has cold done in 2018?
2019-01-04 07:14
thats my point
2019-01-04 07:37
#256
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Romania hiei59 
NAF deserves to be in top 5...I was thinking more of him to be ranked on 5...but whatevs
2019-01-11 14:45
#266
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Denmark U w0t m8? 
because it's based purely on average HLTV rating you mongoloid
2019-01-11 19:09
well niko was considering to be top1 for first 6 months of 2018 but playing with a stand-in and dominance by astralis made him 3rd at best
2019-01-01 20:52
You were the only one to consider him top1 for the first 6 months then
2019-01-01 20:54
lmao biased prodka, didnt expect sth more from you anyway xd
2019-01-01 20:58
The only bias comes from you, s1mple was easily the best player in the world during that time period.
2019-01-01 20:59
it was s1mple/niko because faze were top1, now it is s1mple/device and dont be autistic anymore pls
2019-01-01 21:01
Just go and compare their events. s1mple was better since the eleague major and Krimz was actually the one to be the 2nd best player in the first 3-4 months
2019-01-01 21:02
lmao dude im not 12yo i know how statistics from 2018 look like, but if you werent retarded you would know its not only about raw statistics because one of the main factors is also winning big tier1 events..
2019-01-01 21:05
Winning doesnt make you the best player in the world, btw major-marseille 0 wins for NiKo, 0 wins for s1mple, 2 wins (1 low tier shit and one BIG event), does that make krimz the best player of first 3-4 months of 2018? Nope. Does winning 10 tournaments make device a better player than NiKo? Nope.
2019-01-01 21:08
Can you read? 'one of the factors' i dont believe you're so stupid, bye
2019-01-01 21:09
You just said that NiKo was the best player and than said "but winning matters too", well NiKo didnt win anything during the time I pointed out to be months of s1mple and krimz + he was individually worse than the 2 mentioned. You just got trashed af just accept it
2019-01-01 21:11
faze was clearly top1 team during 4 first months(check stats..)+ he was not worse than krimz dont be funny
2019-01-01 21:31
And they didnt win anything until Sydney (which is when NiKo took on that 2nd place because of Krimzs downfall), I know they were number 1 but that kind of SK of 2nd half of 2016 number one. Just watch the tournaments and games again, or just look it up, krimz was undisputed n2 during that time and he was giving s1mple run for his money as the worlds best player until Marseille. Facts
2019-01-01 21:35
+1 but KRIMZ wasn't clearly the #2, just look at stats, barely better except for K/D ratio
2019-01-01 21:51
Look at K/R, much better, NiKo was 0.8, krimz was almost 0.85, thats a huge difference maker The difference between NiKo and krimz was 0.5 and he difference between NiKo and s1mple throughout the whole year is 0.6, thats almost the same and I dont think you would consider NiKo even close to s1mple. + ADR is also clearly in krimzs favour with 88.8 while NiKo had 86.1, it may not seem like a lot but its almost 3dmg/r which is a lot in this stat, f.e. s1mple with 87.5 and NiKo is 2nd with 86.6, thats much closer than this (krimz is 3rd even despite dip in his form with 85.8 which is impressive). You could consider NiKo close to coldzera in 2017 but those 2 cases I stated are more dominant in favour of the other side, unlike his "fight" against cold last year.
2019-01-01 22:10
0.05* Tbh idk. You could be right but imo it was still close
2019-01-01 22:35
Yeah I meant this, sorry :D Edit: Its definitely not close for me, it may seem close but in a stat like this, those small numbers actually make a huge difference
2019-01-01 22:38
Its like rating, you see the difference between 1.10 player and 1.15 player, even between 1.12 and 1.15 Krimz averaged 1.25 rating during that time while NiKo 1.22 and thats pretty big difference too. Im not a fan of comparing players using statistics but sometimes they can show you a lot and this is one of the cases. But even just watching those 2 play during that time period should tell everyone that krimz was better
2019-01-01 22:44
What rating doesnt account for here is the level of opponents though. Take wesg out of the equation and it becomes much closer since fnatics only decent win there was a borderline top 20-25 space soldiers.
2019-01-02 11:25
The only difference is that krimz doesnt have 1.25 rating but 1.245, other stats remain the same, krimz still has above 88 adr and almost 0.85 k/r. So you are right that its closer but only in one aspect and when we look closely there is drop of only 0.005 which is that much. The rest is still easily in favour of krimz, he has better statistics and (only by watching say) you could clearly say that he was the better player back then.
2019-01-02 15:19
#20
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Mexico Brayam7u7 
Not first 6 months but yea 3-4 before and a bit after the major
2019-01-01 20:59
NiKo wasnt even better than s1mple or KRIMZ since the first tournament of the year, the Eleague major
2019-01-01 21:03
#26
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Mexico Brayam7u7 
You just a hater stfu pls 😴😴
2019-01-01 21:03
Nope, I like NiKo much more than s1mple. If you cant see the truth than go and check their tournaments until Marseille, krimz and s1mple were the 2 best players in the world since major until DH Marseille but Krimz then dropped off, if he kept that level of play throughout the whole year he would have been a top3 player of the year, easily :)
2019-01-01 21:05
lmao autistic guy strikes again
2019-01-01 21:06
You have 0 arguments and getting trashed left and right, im much further away than you from being autistic (:
2019-01-01 21:12
0 arguments? can you read? tell me at least your 1 REAL argument because the only thing you're saying is krimz > niko, s1mple > all nice arguments hahahahahah, dude u act like u are 15iq at very best
2019-01-01 21:29
Im posting legit backed up arguments while you are the one saying that NiKo was the best and that its funny that krimz was better while you dont know anything :D You should laugh then, if krimz being better for solid part of year is funny to you because it was clearly visible :)
2019-01-01 21:38
3 months arent solid part of the year, also he wasnt even better than niko there, arguments? - check individual statistics. ohh you want another argument? check team statistics - who was in the best team in the world and who was their main carry? 2 arguments, i am waiting for at least ONE solid argument by your site instead of sucking krimz's dick, come on at least one ahhahaha im sure u wont do it
2019-01-01 21:41
3 months = 1 quarter of the year so yes, its a solid part of the year Checked individual statistics and krimz was clearly better And what did that best team in the world win? Like 0 tournaments? :D nt, krimz even despite not having the n1 team won 2 events, one was dogshit (still was the MVP) but the other one was one of the biggest tournaments of the year, Katowice where krimz was the MVP for his side coming into the final map when flusha stole the show with his incredibly high clutch potential he unleashed on train. Its nice that NiKo was the best player on the best team without any trophies. FaZe wasnt even dominant force (they actually lost even to terrible VP), they were just number 1 team without any trophies, just like SK of 2nd half of 2016 (with the difference that coldzera was actually the best player in the world back then). You just proved my point with your arguments once again
2019-01-01 21:59
show me statistics showing krimz was better hahahahahahahahah also if you say flusha stole mvp award i can also say fnatic stole tournament win from faze because flusha's clutches were the only thing that made fnatic win it after 5 maps and play-offs at the last map, also if winning 1 tournament(in final vs faze) and being 15-16th, 11th, 5-8th on the rest tournaments is better than being consistantly top1 team in the world with 2nd,2nd,4th,4th place at tournaments is better for you then i give up
2019-01-01 22:10
For statistics, I will copy my #62 "Look at K/R, much better, NiKo was 0.8, krimz was almost 0.85, thats a huge difference maker. The difference between NiKo and krimz was 0.05 and he difference between NiKo and s1mple throughout the whole year is 0.06, thats almost the same and I dont think you would consider NiKo even close to s1mple. + ADR is also clearly in krimzs favour with 88.8 while NiKo had 86.1, it may not seem like a lot but its almost 3dmg/r which is a lot in this stat, f.e. s1mple with 87.5 this year and NiKo is 2nd with 86.6, thats much closer than this (krimz is 3rd even despite dip in his form with 85.8 which is impressive). You could consider NiKo close to coldzera in 2017 but those 2 cases I stated are more dominant in favour of the other side, unlike his "fight" against cold last year." For the achievements. I see thath you excluded fnatics win at WESG and semis at Marseille and included imaginary 11th place finish which never took a place while you included 3-4th for FaZe (at V4 so its not sth to be bragging about) but excluded 5-8th finish at Marseille. That shows your bias a lot. The context is acutally different for both teams. FaZe was n1 with no wins and fnatic was improving/rising team with 5-8th finish, then 1 bad tournament (SS S4) after which they improved immensely, won 2 tournaments and made semis at one more while FaZe were 2nd, 4th, 2nd and then 3-4th (shit competition) and then 5-8th so they were basically worse than fnatic achievement-wise since Katowice until Marseille but they were ranked n1 because of huge lead in points prior to those tournaments so considering the context and not future evolution of the teams, yes, Id take fnatic because they had better form at that time and they would be a better team for players (Swedish players ofc) to join, theoratically speaking but only after Katowice. Btw, Ive never said that flusha stealing the MVP from krimz was a bad thing or that krimz should have gotten it, no, flusha completely fully deserved it and yes, flusha stole the finals but you know what? Thats exactly what big time players do, flusha was just amazing that tournament at Katowice, basically playing at his peak once again for that tournament. FaZe werent the first team that got their tournament stolen because of flusha and it doesnt mean that they deserved the win more than fnatic.
2019-01-01 22:36
And one more thing, after these tournaments when Astralis became number 1 fnatic actually got past FaZe in the rankings but getting rid of golden fucked the team and form of krimz completely and the loss of golden was much more significant than loss of olof since they still had a leader and experienced IGL so they came out to be better after those 2 things took a place
2019-01-01 22:50
So c9 was much much better than fnatic because they won a major? and tarik was top1 just before krimz? kkk hahahaha
2019-01-02 11:04
Ive never said this
2019-01-02 15:07
thats your logic, fnatic is better because they won 1 tournament (final vs faze) - same goes for c9 but they won much much better tournament so c9 > all by your logic ;)
2019-01-02 16:21
You dont get the logic, c9 won the Boston major and got only worse. fnatic, on the other hand, was improving and had better results for 3 straight tournaments, thats what you call "better form", not winning 1 tournament and then going back to the hole you came out from like c9 did
2019-01-02 16:24
like 14-15th place or getting out of the every tier 1 tournaments pretty fast? dude pls..
2019-01-02 16:25
Like 2 1st places and semifinals finish of fnatic while faze had 2nd place, 3-4th place at tournament wheret they were easily the best team at and quarterfinals finish :)
2019-01-02 16:27
Lmao you overrate them so much
2019-01-02 16:30
Saying that they had a better form during that time span considering they managed to get better results is overrating? Ok, stay retarded :D
2019-01-02 16:31
2019 and i hear fnatic was better than a super-team with niko,olof etc because fnatic won 1 final vs them xd also nice stats, maybe show the other statistic that actually matter? no? i thought so
2019-01-02 11:03
They had better form during a certain period of time with better results and were ranked above them for certain amount of time. You wanted statistics and I gave you 2 of the most important ones, btw, rating was also in favour of krimz (1.22 NiKo and 1.25 krimz), pretty much every single important stat goes in his favour, deal with it
2019-01-02 15:11
Thats a lie and completly bullshit, faze was ranked higher and niko had better rating, your only relevant arguments goes in favor of niko but you still tryin to defend krimz haha
2019-01-02 16:22
FaZe was ranked higher for like 95% of this time, yes, but fnatic managed to get higher spot because of their better form when Astralis took the n1 place. Those are facts I looked up. If you are saying that NiKo had better rating when I literally looked it up, then you are much more delusional than I thought
2019-01-02 16:25
>first 3 months >astralis being top1 dude you dont even know what you're arguing about anymore
2019-01-02 16:27
End of January - end of April (basically from Boston until Marseille) are 3 months and Astralis managed to get the number 1 spot during that time hltv.org/ranking/teams/2018/april/23 hltv.org/ranking/teams/2018/april/30 Astralis is number 1 and fnatic is number 2 and number 3, above FaZe, deal with it
2019-01-02 16:30
hhahahahahahahahhahaha dude its april, you know how calendar year works? >talking about 3 first months >going out with an april ahahah
2019-01-02 16:33
Do you know when CS started in 2018? Yes, at the end of January, Ive never said that Im counting the beginning of January, why would I when there were no LANs? And Ive been saying since the beginning "From Boston until Marseille" which is 3 month span and those are first 3 months of competitive CS in 2018. Ive encountered many dumb people here but you probably top the list
2019-01-02 16:35
ok show from feb-to april then hahah, you still gonna look like a pathetic kid
2019-01-02 16:36
Ive already shown this and here is what I was saying - that after Marseille Astralis took the number 1 spot for them and fnatic managed to get #2 and #3 spot, which is actually above FaZe hltv.org/ranking/teams/2018/april/23 hltv.org/ranking/teams/2018/april/30 :)
2019-01-02 16:37
yeah so basically january, february,march and half o the april faze were top1 - but for you its not an argument, only 3,5months #1 spot - the argument for you is that fnatic were spotted #3 and faze #4 in april
2019-01-02 16:39
Nope, I only proved my point that fnatic had better form after Katowice, Ive actually said that FaZe was a better team overall and for basically 95% of the year. And yes, its not an arguments because point of the argument was who was better, krimz or NiKo? And I already proved that krimz was better, you are just babbling nonsense left and right thinking that NiKo was better because FaZe was better, that logic is completely false + saying that NiKo had better stats when it was krimz who had better stats :D
2019-01-02 16:42
show me a screenshot with a rating from january to april showing that krimz was better, because we both already noticed that faze was a better team, now lets make another argument clear
2019-01-02 16:45
Jan 1st - may 1st - niko 1.17 Jan 1st - may 1st - krimz - 1.13 nice better rating mr autist
2019-01-02 16:48
You are completely false, just wait, you wanted "screenshots"
2019-01-02 16:49
how am i false if im clearly looking into statistics since january to 1st may..dude you are so desperate that before you even came with adr and kdr statistics hahah
2019-01-02 16:52
You are so desperate that you included online statistics too which are irrelevant (and you couldnt even count it correctly)
2019-01-02 16:56
i count it correctly and everything is important here, the fact that you say it doesnt change clear facts
2019-01-02 17:21
No you didnt count it correctly and online leagues are irrelevant when it comes down to comparing players, just read my other comment (#171) and stop the bullshit
2019-01-02 17:22
yeah only lan play-offs matter to you? ofc they are more important but still its 0.02 difference with niko beign better overall..stop acting like you dont see it
2019-01-02 17:29
and well we were arguing about 3 first months of 2018 even if we dont count january, why the fuck your only argument is marseille, pathetic
2019-01-02 16:42
I told you that fnatic got better than they used to after Katowice and that they had better form than FaZe. I proved my point so there is nothing pathetic about it. Pathetic are your replies
2019-01-02 16:44
you havent proved your point at all, your only point was fnatic winning final vs faze and being a crap the rest of the time ( dont even try to include wesg because i will insta-leave)
2019-01-02 16:47
now actually lets show the truth: march 1.faze 4.fnatic february 1.faze 9.fnatic january 2.faze 6.fnatic you still gonna argue with 0 arguments but keep going i cant wait bubut fnatic was much better in this time!!!!!! ajhhajajajdasjdajjajajahahahahhahahahahahahaha
2019-01-02 16:35
Just read my comment above and dont say bullshit, you are only embarassing yourself :)
2019-01-02 16:36
what? and i would write this in 1 sec? dude i dont have energy for you, you're too stupid i swear
2019-01-02 16:37
If you were smart you wouldnt have done this, no one is talking about calendar year when talking about the beginning of the year in CS if it started at the end of January (:
2019-01-02 16:39
dont change the topic because you made urslf look really autistic trying to defend your boyfriend krimz
2019-01-02 16:40
The only person here who looks autistic is not me :)
2019-01-02 16:42
also final of the major is shit to you i guess, just like final vs fnatic
2019-01-01 22:11
"show me a screenshot with a rating from january to april showing that krimz was better, because we both already noticed that faze was a better team, now lets make another argument clear" I chose to continue here for your comment since there is much more space imgur.com/a/VBgZUQS This is krimz WESG included: 1.25 rating, 0.84 K/R (almost 0.85) and 88.7 ADR WESG excluded: 1.24 rating, 0.84 K/R (still almost 0.85) and 88.8 ADR (yes, his adr is even higher without WESG) imgur.com/a/Yi4o9X2 This is NiKo: 1.22 rating, 0.8 K/R, 86.6 ADR Do you have anything to say?
2019-01-02 17:05
>so you already lost argument with faze>fnatic >now you're showing rating only from lan play-offs which krimz is better in with 0.02 difference(i guess its a lot for you?xd), overall still faze SAME AS NIKO had been better than krimz and fnatic, also with niko overall better rating
2019-01-02 17:28
I didnt lose an argument, I said several times that FaZe was a better team but fnatic had better form in April which is correct so you lost that one Its not from playoffs, its from LAN, the only metric that matters, unlike irrelevant online leagues. Having better rating on team that was worse for majority of time? Yes, thats a very solid difference. And the difference in other stats (especially kills per round) also says a lot. I just proved that krimz was better and you are still saying that NiKo was better? :D You are in absolute denial
2019-01-02 17:31
Better? 0.02 better and only on lan - i proved you faze was better just read what you wrote and admit it, also wtf is this kind of argument like rating in a worse team? are you 10iq? so xantares is better than all of them because he is making incredible stats in a shit tier 3 team? dude by your logic c9 is best team january-april and xantares is GOAT of cs, pls stop and dont reply to me
2019-01-02 18:10
Yes, LAN is all that matters, online leagues with bunch of onliners there and people that dont care much about online are irrelevant. Xantares plays against shit teams too so thats irrelevant, all I am saying that its even more impressive when you look at FaZe with superstars that was clearly better for 95% of time and should have had sure wins against almost everyone and than on fnatic that was better only for a llittle amount of time and could be defeated by pretty much anyone and was significantly worse for majority of that time. Nope, thats how you imply my logic but I didnt imply it like that, you think that only because of your mediocre intelligence. And btw, 0.02 is pretty big difference when given context, just look at Magisk with 1.17 rating throughout 2018 on the best team in the world thatd been slaughtering everyone and electronic with 1.19 on a team that had much harder time with their opponents and there is no doubt that electronic is a better player (he also has better ADR and K/R like krimz had better than NiKo in the first few months). The one who should stop replying is none other than you. You dont have arguments and you are only embarassing yourself with that bs you write.
2019-01-02 18:28
haaahhaha so making your team better = being a worse player? dude your logic is the worst thing ive seen in a while, magisk is a beast and had a better year than electronic because he won almost everything and if it makes him worse player than electronic then you got big big problem :) also online leagues with mostly top10 teams also show who is overall better not only shines at 1 or 2 tournaments but delivers all the time.
2019-01-02 19:10
Thats not what Ive said once again since they both make their teams better, retard. Hes had better year achievement-wise, does that make him a better player? No, electronic was clearly the better player Are you retarded? Online leagues are irrelevant and it doesnt even matter what teams play there, no one plays (no players, no teams) like he does on LAN when playing online leagues. God, you are such a miserable existence
2019-01-02 19:16
you just said winning tournaments doesnt make him better player dude, lets finish this discussion i give up:)
2019-01-02 19:22
Yes, it doesnt. Just like device winning doesnt make him better player than NiKo. It gives him most likely spot above NiKo at HLTVs ranking but as a player he would have been ranked 3rd and NiKo 2nd. So yes, winning doesnt make you better player. HLTVs ranking doesnt tell you who was better player than sb else
2019-01-02 19:24
so then its your own opinion the only factor that matters to you? fuck all arguments in your mind electronic is better than magisk - fuck all tournaments etc beacuse you think different - ok i dont wanna argue anymore its your choose
2019-01-02 19:32
Its not my subjective opinion, electronic>Magisk is as objective as it gets, just like NiKo>device, just like KRIMZ>NiKo in that span of time weve been talking about. And the thing about HLTVs ranking is a fact. If you want to see real top10 players and not a mash of stats (that are boosted in some cases) and achievements just look at thorins ranking when it comes out. The guy is irritating at times but he knows his stuff. And Ive never said "fuck all tournaments" I only said that winning doesnt make you better as a player. Magisk or dupreeh are not better than electronic because they won more, device is not better than s1mple or NiKo because he won more. Winning doesnt make you better player, it builds your legacy. Ofc that winning at individual sports/esports makes you better but this is not a thing of individuals.
2019-01-02 19:46
So Krzysztof Piatek>Cristiano Ronaldo because he had more goals than CR7 in serie A until the end of the december and he's playing in much much worse team, i like your arguments
2019-01-02 21:43
And the fact that cr7 won champions league, top1 serie A and probably will win much more in a near future doesnt matter beacause its not an individual game :D
2019-01-02 21:45
This is extremely retarded statement by you. Ronaldo is easily the best player in his league. And Ive never said that winning doesnt matter, you just imply it like this because you are dumb. Winning doesnt make you better player =/= winning doesnt matter. Two totally different things. Winning doesnt make you better, winning builds your legacy throughout your career until you retire
2019-01-02 21:56
you're clearly saying that winning doesnt make you better xD do read what you write? the only thing that really matters in professional sport is winning
2019-01-02 22:12
Are you really that retarded? Ive never said that winning doesnt matter because it does and I am correct that winning doesnt make you any better. Better player can have less trophies and achievements than a player that was significantly worse, does that make the worse player better in the end? If yes, then kys
2019-01-02 22:24
ofc it is strong factor..isnt it?:D
2019-01-02 22:26
Legacy is a factor, after a player retires but its definitely not comparable to being the best player in the world for several years (or just a better player). Achievements in one year are not comparable to being the best player in the world the whole year (or just a better player). And if it is that strong factor, then Bill Russell should be the GOAT of basketball but hes not even close. You are probably one of those guys who thinks Modric deserved Ballon d'Or
2019-01-02 22:37
Messi should, then you're probably a guy who thinks varane should win this because he won world cup just like krimz one tournament xdd
2019-01-02 22:51
Your logic is literally nonexistent. And Ive never said that krimz is better because of one tournament, even if fnatic would lose Katowice, krimz would still be the better player :) but you are way too mentally ill to understand
2019-01-02 22:54
he is not better player and winning iem was your only real argument expect 0.02 better rating at lans xD!
2019-01-02 22:58
IS not, but WAS. My every argument was legit and you had 0 arguments (:
2019-01-02 23:00
you have only 1 argument which is 0.02 better lan rating..not so good
2019-01-03 02:27
hltv.org/stats?matchType=BigEvents&start.. Jan 1, 2018 to Apr 30, 2018
2019-01-02 19:28
This just proves my point about krimz even more ty
2019-01-02 19:30
No problem! You can share it with the other guy arguing with you
2019-01-02 19:31
well we actually spoke about it and i saw it
2019-01-02 19:33
BUT - If you also consider the month of May, this happens hltv.org/stats?matchType=BigEvents&start..
2019-01-02 19:33
Yep, I was saying that he dropped off significantly after Marseille
2019-01-02 19:36
+1
2019-01-02 20:03
ohhh wait i know your argument hahahaha bububut krimz had a good tournament!! top1 !!! xdddd!
2019-01-01 21:41
You actually showed 0 arguments in the whole discussion. You said “FaZe won more”, but fnatic won two events at the beginning of the year, while FaZe won 0. So you said “but look at individual stats”, where KRiMZ was slightly better and then you said “look at the team stats” FaZe was the top1 team but just won something at IEM Sidney, where fnatic was clearly a top 3 team and even a top 1 contender, with KRiMZ being their best player. So yeah, you trash talked a lot, m8
2019-01-01 22:12
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA krimz stats better? dude you just hist on my arguments and tell a lie like krimz had better stats, how can i argue with someone like you? niko stats better, faze better = krimz top1 in your opinion hahahahahaha
2019-01-02 10:59
#33
Nico | 
Israel Z1X0 
true
2019-01-01 21:06
#14
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Sweden Pepega1 
And s1mple deserve top1, but HLTV dont care and make full danish list
2019-01-01 20:54
i agree on that part stealing from dupreeh, dupreeh was such beast consistenly whole year. Carrying first half of a year like a boss
2019-01-01 20:57
Dupreeh didnt carry any event The only carry for astralis all year long was device at eleague premier every other event was an effort by 2+ players
2019-01-01 21:09
somebody actually ready to underline their argument with data :o
2019-01-01 21:39
yes
2019-01-01 20:58
He's much more skilled sthan Device or Dupreeh but FaZe didn't win that many tournaments this year so 3rd place is the best he can wish for atm.
2019-01-01 20:59
+1 and skill isnt everything either.
2019-01-01 21:39
also FaZe are the only team to beat astralis 2:0
2019-01-01 21:00
Haven't seen FaZe beating Astralis since IEM Sydney, dunno what you're talking about
2019-01-02 11:20
2019-01-02 12:12
Alright then, my bad
2019-01-02 14:30
#27
rain | 
Mexico Brayam7u7 
Agree Even dupreeh > ecovice
2019-01-01 21:03
ecovice haha n1
2019-01-02 14:38
#28
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Brazil Saint_Jatai 
+1
2019-01-01 21:03
#30
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Russia VeryChokeGuy 
+1. Dupreeh are so fcking insane. Much better than Ecolai "ecovice" Reedtz
2019-01-01 21:05
are you saying niko is better than s1mple?
2019-01-01 21:10
he said niko > EcoVice
2019-01-01 21:12
i guess
2019-01-01 21:13
but device is #1
2019-01-01 21:34
device normaly isn't #1 , but HLTV want device 1 if you understand what i mean
2019-01-01 23:54
s1mple #1
2019-01-01 23:54
niko is a bot shit, choking 24/7 so nope
2019-01-01 21:12
#55
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Portugal queniese 
flammenwerfer is a bot shit, baiting 24/7 so nope
2019-01-01 21:44
nah, even though i'm a NiKo fanboy I don't think he deserves top2, but he definitely deserves top3/top4. s1mple #1 and ecovice #2
2019-01-01 21:14
yes he deserves s1mple + niko are the players who always deliver because of their outstanding skill. event statistics tells all, only a few ratings <1.20 over 24 months - whithout an "era team" on their back. I dont want to discredit the astralis bois, they all are top 15.but they are more like a machine and you dont know/cant measure how strong the single parts of this machine are.
2019-01-01 21:27
losing with good stats isnt the same as winning with slightly worse stats. niko lost a bunch of big events early and didnt win nearly as many overall. ill grant u s1mple, second/third best team in the world all year pretty much and he has consistently been hardcarrying the way weve never seen before in cs history. but niko in this mediocre crap shoot of a team? id be very surprised if many experts would place him over device.
2019-01-01 21:48
#128
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Portugal queniese 
the difference is that s1mple plays in a structured team with zeus and he is the main "STAR" and on faze niko isn't really the "STAR" and faze don't play for him
2019-01-02 14:43
do u always just talk nonsense?
2019-01-02 15:17
#262
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United States Jammin800k 
You actually know nothing about team structure and roles lmao
2019-01-11 14:52
#267
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Portugal queniese 
ok lmao
2019-01-11 19:09
#269
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United States Jammin800k 
"Niko isnt the star of faze" When he literally took the IGL role so he could call even more around himself.
2019-01-11 19:12
#270
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Portugal queniese 
ye i didn't explained my point well, niko isn't the "only" star of faze
2019-01-11 19:47
#275
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United States Jammin800k 
S1mple has a player on his team that is better than every player on faze besides niko and niko is very much the star of Faze. He literally gets to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. He has more freedom than s1mple.
2019-01-11 21:13
#277
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Portugal queniese 
the freedom he gets is the reason that he isnt top 1
2019-01-11 21:14
#280
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United States Jammin800k 
No the reason he isnt top 1 is because s1mple had the best year individually of any player in csgo history and Astralis had one of the most dominant years of any team. Literally any other year hed be in the conversation for top 1 or just outright top 1. Moving on that has nothing to do with comparing s1mple and Niko and if they are the stars of their teams or not. They both clearly are and it's not debatable.
2019-01-11 21:16
#53
GuardiaN | 
World Darge 
Nah, not even close. You may hate Device all you want but this will be his 4th year on top 5, the guy is a beast. I wouldn't say he's more skilled than NiKo tho, but the danish guy had a far better year. It's like Modric and Messi, one is maybe the GOAT of football but Modric had a great year winning CL and doing a great job on his national team.
2019-01-01 21:41
+1
2019-01-01 21:49
+1 Perfect analogy
2019-01-02 17:43
#59
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Poland SebaRost 
+1111
2019-01-01 21:51
+1 niko>device
2019-01-01 22:12
+1
2019-01-01 22:14
#67
s1 | 
Ukraine mple 
+1 skillwise ecovice is not even in the top 10
2019-01-01 22:20
#71
xccurate | 
Brazil Zixye 
nice nick
2019-01-01 22:32
lel..skillwise?...hahaha nt
2019-01-02 11:10
#69
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Czech Republic VetriXGOD 
Im so sorry, but Guardian, Olof, Rain was carying him actually so nt
2019-01-01 22:31
Brain checks out
2019-01-02 09:17
#96
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Czech Republic VetriXGOD 
Im so sorry, but its true, only thing NiKo does in FaZe was Choking
2019-01-02 09:17
Niko chokes everyone says but FaZe chokes no one says If u have a brain then u got your answer
2019-01-02 09:19
#99
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Czech Republic VetriXGOD 
Brain less monkey detected.
2019-01-02 09:20
Your first statement says it all
2019-01-02 09:21
#123
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
1.12 1.09 1 How are they carrying?
2019-01-02 14:36
#70
xccurate | 
Brazil Zixye 
idk but mibr sucks anyway
2019-01-01 22:41
+1
2019-01-01 22:38
+2
2019-01-02 09:17
#76
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United States SweatyBawlz 
Shit igl, shit teammate, retard fragger. Top 5 player at best
2019-01-01 22:38
+1
2019-01-02 11:11
#81
rain | 
Australia pjp_1 
No top 3
2019-01-02 00:13
skillwise he is top2 but he will be top3 this year in hltv ranking
2019-01-02 14:42
#82
NiKo | 
New Zealand Triggehhz 
mhm I understand what you mean im a niko fan but if we talk about the year device and s1mple have been more consistent and performed better this year even though I still think niko and simple are easily the best players in the worldd device has played well and done his job very well so I think niko will be 3
2019-01-02 00:17
#85
motm | 
Austria TheVirgin 
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣stop trolling😂😂😂😂😂
2019-01-02 00:53
+1
2019-01-02 01:08
He dosent deserve shit
2019-01-02 08:50
+1
2019-01-02 11:11
The fact is he he truly is #2 and he carry a team full of stars then he carry then badly cause results suck, while Astralis is team effort Dev1ce do shine so he deserve being ranked higher than Niko those WHO say Niko deserve it don't Come with arguments either so stop saying other don't either....
2019-01-02 09:04
from bottom.
2019-01-02 09:14
#97
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Czech Republic VetriXGOD 
+1
2019-01-02 09:18
+1
2019-01-02 11:12
+1
2019-01-02 09:20
what? better than Ecolai "i stand still with awp and team tells me when they're coming" Reedz?
2019-01-02 09:28
#169
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Denmark ecovice 
And who won 7 MVP awards this year, mr. fuckturd? Exactly, think about that. -Yours sincerely, Ecolai "ecovice" Reedtz
2019-01-02 16:53
No she doesnt
2019-01-02 11:18
1. S1mple 2. NiKo 3. Dev1ce 4. NAF 5. Electronic 6. Magisk 7. Dupreeh 8. Coldzera 9. Twistzz 10. Gla1ve 11. Krimz 12. Xyp9x 13. Guardian 14. EliGe 15. Allu 16. Rain 17. Olofmeister 18. Sergej 19. Flamie 20. Valde
2019-01-02 11:55
#118
ruggah | 
Denmark ram0 
+1
2019-01-02 13:07
Replace sergej with woxic
2019-01-02 14:40
#207
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Asia senkage666 
not only flamie is on the list but Krimz 11th?? stop pretending ffs dude
2019-01-02 19:33
Did you see Krimz performance this year?
2019-01-03 14:18
#240
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Asia senkage666 
sry but he's not gonna be in this list.
2019-01-04 07:00
Lets see :>
2019-01-04 15:27
Naf switch with electronic
2019-01-02 19:40
#260
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United States Jammin800k 
Actual trash list
2019-01-11 14:50
Actual Vitality fan OMEGALUL
2019-01-11 19:59
#273
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United States Jammin800k 
You go for flair I go for facts Rekt
2019-01-11 21:10
#116
LEGIJA | 
Serbia MoOoN 
hahahahaha
2019-01-02 11:56
lol over 100 replies thank you boys NiKo top 2
2019-01-02 14:10
Only 10 days until we know who is 3rd
2019-01-09 03:32
#121
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Denmark Jonasnhj 
If carrying in your book means they are losing everything, then he is carrying good
2019-01-02 14:31
#122
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Moldova B3A5Ty 
Dude at least he is going to be #3 , top 1 amd 2 for sure device and s1mple will be there
2019-01-02 14:34
#125
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
If he had won the boston and katowice ez +2 mvps and rating increase and then niko top 2 But rn niko 3rd feelsbadman
2019-01-02 14:39
people who think s1mple is top 1 are actually something else...
2019-01-02 14:45
Yep, they are a different breed of human beings who enjoy watching interesting and not robotic cs in weakest cs era. Thankfully, there is saviors, s1mple and Niko, which provide us with amazing highlights and proving that they are one of the best and most talented players rn on cs scene.
2019-01-03 02:50
s1mple>niko>device
2019-01-02 16:24
Based on what? hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/3741/NiKo?startDa.. Feels bad cuz devve is a statpadder but :/
2019-01-02 16:29
#233
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Czech Republic sEEnseiGE 
"all matches" Put there big events and u will see Device= 1.24 and NiKo= 1.25
2019-01-03 02:40
Ahh I forgot there was such a setting, my bad lul
2019-01-03 11:15
#159
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Denmark ecovice 
What has mr. Nikola "NiKo" Kovač accomplished this year? Has he won 7 MVP awards this year? -Yours sincerely, Ecolai "ecovice" Reedtz
2019-01-02 16:44
0/8 plz close this thread admin, ty. #makehltvgreatagain
2019-01-02 16:47
he's better than dev1ce in general skills, but dev has more trophies
2019-01-02 16:48
#187
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Turkey Thunderball 
its not just skills.. device much more consistent performer and also higher gamesense compare to niko.
2019-01-02 17:46
+1
2019-01-11 14:41
#173
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Austria iVulkaN 
Niko is having those stats with a struggling FaZe team while Device is having the same stats with one of the most dominant CSGO teams ever where he is put in the most favourable positions, obvious NiKo deverse it more but HLTV suckin Devve's dick like emilia hult might even put him at #1 and wouldn't even shock me
2019-01-02 17:17
#258
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United States Jammin800k 
As if faze doesnt entirely play around Niko as well and as if faze shouldnt be a dominant team with their roster.
2019-01-11 14:49
#261
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Austria iVulkaN 
FaZe doesn't have the structure like Astralis. FaZe relies more on individuals opening up the round with single kills and Karrigan finding the weak spot midround through the info they obtained
2019-01-11 14:51
#263
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Austria iVulkaN 
Device has the freedom to move his awp on CT side from time to time, on Niko on FaZe doesn't have that freedom
2019-01-11 14:52
#264
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United States Jammin800k 
Niko literally has infinite freedom on T side. Goes wherever he want baits whoever he wants or takes whatever duel he feels like taking, if you havent noticed his calling style hasnt changed much from when he called around himself on mouz and even when karrigan was calling niko was the centerpiece of the team as he should be. Faze and Astralis may not have the same structure but that doesnt mean they dont both have roles and players who are set up for success. Astralis just happens to set device up in a very tactical way while faze choose to use the firepower of rain and olof to playmake with guardian also going for AWP picks. The team creates a lot of space for Niko so he can shine in the mid round and clutch. Faze relying on individuals to open up the round is my exact point. Niko almost never goes for entries on T side if you watch him play mirage on T he literally just sits there until it's safe to peek with olof/rain/karrigan are distracting. Niko also picks up a 2nd AWP any time he wants to. Weve seen them double AWP on T side dust 2 just because Niko wanted to. So yeah Niko has a ton of freedom on Faze and they definitely play around him, he literally stole the IGL role from karrigan in the middle of a tournament, it's pretty clear Niko pulls a lot of the strings within fazes csgo team.
2019-01-11 15:13
#176
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
He is not IGL
2019-01-02 17:23
he actually is
2019-01-02 17:29
#188
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
no, that was false news
2019-01-02 17:49
#181
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Denmark Dev0ur^ 
Sure he can carry, but did he carry the team to trophies?
2019-01-02 17:33
just remember that s1mple and device will also be on the list. so: simple niko device? or device niko s1mple. niko top 3 max
2019-01-02 17:35
#184
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Turkey Thunderball 
nice joke
2019-01-02 17:44
Agreed
2019-01-02 17:44
+1 boring device
2019-01-02 18:13
I hope so, but this is about how everything writen on paper
2019-01-02 18:17
#194
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
Where is coldzero now xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-01-02 18:18
he is still top1 on hltv.
2019-01-02 18:24
pasza deserve top1
2019-01-02 19:11
no he doesnt.... itll be S1mple then Dev1ce
2019-01-02 19:42
with device number 1?
2019-01-02 20:05
S1mple at 1
2019-01-07 00:12
top 3 for sure. Dev1ce , s1mple > Niko
2019-01-02 22:58
Yeah dev1ce and niko are close if the beginning of the year and the end were flipped then more people aould give it to niko, niko is a hard carry, dev1ce isn't
2019-01-02 23:31
sorry this isn't r/unpopularopinion
2019-01-03 02:33
#235
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
he will get 3rd
2019-01-03 02:53
I agree with you but I doubt HLTV would turn Dev1ce into dev3ce
2019-01-03 14:19
#243
ruggah | 
Denmark ram0 
Agree
2019-01-04 07:21
He will get 3rd this time for sure. Device gonna take number 1 but its gonna be close with simple.
2019-01-04 07:24
What it should be 1. S1mple 2. Niko 3. Device But what it will be 1. Device 2. S1mple 3. Niko Unfortunately, due to achievements etc.
2019-01-09 03:34
#251
flusha | 
Poland MBT_yt 
Not gonna be Unfortunately Cold should be lower, but rating is everything i see
2019-01-09 03:54
#252
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Turkmenistan 0racle 
those who dont agree = trolls or delusional
2019-01-09 03:58
Yes. But he will be 3, and device 2
2019-01-11 14:43
#257
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United States Jammin800k 
Devices MVPs and tournament success/big game performances outweigh Nikos better stats. Niko isnt setting records this year like s1mple has and the quality of his MVPs arent enough to make up for the lack of 4 of them.
2019-01-11 14:48
Running a quick stats comparison on individual players has been interesting. I am looking at s1, niko, guardian, cold and device. Most at all time stats, but also 2018. 1. s1mple - undisputed top fragger and also leads opening kills by a large margin. would not disagree with him being #1 2. niko - king of aces, so I probably put him as the best in terms of raw skill and entertainment but inconsistent. has way more aces than anyone else. also quad kill is high up there. 3. cold - king of tactical play. frags a lot, and very hard to kill as k/d ratio proves. statistically the best big player at surviving(?). 4. guardian - best awper at opening duels and 2nd of all time behind the almighty kenny. 5. device - now he's a hard one to place. the stats are good, not fantastic and he rifles a fair bit too. he has very low aces, good opening duel percentage, good k/d. overall he is good in many departments but not the best at anything. that is why many people are hesitant to call device top 2 and i agree
2019-01-11 15:29
+1
2019-01-11 19:11
PlusOne
2019-01-11 20:00
#274
Brehze | 
United States co3211 
+1
2019-01-11 21:11
Should be top 1 imo
2019-01-11 21:39
NIKO TOP2 SOON
2019-01-16 20:32
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