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Poland Este 
Since there is like 100 posts everyday of people crying about s1mple being numer one this year, here you got "s1mple" summary on basic stats and why you are all wrong: This is why device will get #1: all: imgur.com/7LwwCPh top5: imgur.com/8hQ8O9r Who cares when you are boosting your stats in group stages over far less skilled opponents like Gambit. Simple got +138 K/D diff ratio just on Gambit alone this year (LAN only), sorry but this is like boosting stats on DM. Get to semis or finals and boost your stats there. I got nothing to s1mple he is just beast of a player but unfortunately his teammates did not keep up with him so he couldn't prove himself on most important games so often unlike device. Peace out.
2019-01-03 11:20
numer one post
2019-01-03 11:21
imgur.com/a/0AEfLQW just because s1mple have less matches he is not in your ranking (OP) , but he is better still better than Device VS TOP 5 /close
2019-01-03 12:03
There is only one problem - HLTV thinks that NAVI and Liquid are not TOP 5 teams imgur.com/a/1erBfaj HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
2019-01-03 13:17
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Kyrgyzstan coldnezz 
set less maps
2019-01-03 13:34
NO - TOP 10 and you will see S1mple and other guys joxi.net/KAxJZOqUMO4MYm
2019-01-03 13:38
#86
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Kyrgyzstan coldnezz 
just set 66 minimum maps and u will see everyone lol
2019-01-03 13:59
#136
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Denmark CaraX_ 
hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. Not ONE non-danish person last 3 months top 5
2019-01-03 15:53
#170
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World neomax360 
Lol WTf?
2019-01-03 20:44
#187
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Denmark CaraX_ 
It's the same for 6 months
2019-01-03 22:49
because it doesnt work
2019-01-04 02:09
beacause other teams didnt play enought maps to be on this list against TOP 5 in 3 months, for the same reson s1mple isnt on this list. use brain
2019-01-05 02:21
#3
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Spain elskio 
Major final show whos the real man of Navi, not that 0.81 statpadder
2019-01-03 11:24
#8
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Poland Este 
Wouldn't judge players over one game. You always have to remember how they end up in the finals, and s1mple was carrying hard whole tournament. Sometimes semis or quarter finals are far more demanding than finals themselves, that's why NaVi missed so many grand finals this year, eventhough simple was on top of his game. They lacked momentum on all of their players.
2019-01-03 11:28
I also want to say a few other things: Na'Vi won only 4 tounamenst compared to Astralis' 10 In the 4 tournaments that Na'Vi won only on 2 of them Astralis attended. Esl ONE Cologne in which Astralis lost in the semi-finals in a really close game : 2 maps 16-13 went to Na'Vi. s1mple got all the MVP's from their 2 tournaments + 2 other when they lost the final (that means 6 MVP's compared to device's 7 this year. I mean, stats aren't everything. Last year (2017 s1mple had 1.26 rating through the whole year on all maps and events, meanwhile NiKo had 1.23 and coldzera got 1.25, but they both achieved more than s1mple, that's why they got 2-nd and 1-st place respectively and s1mple got 8-th place in 2017. I want say also that there are a lot of people on hltv saying that: "s1mple is in a way worse team than Astralis and he is carrying them and still manages to play very very well, that's why he deserves to be first"- now what kind of shitty stat and even logic is that, device's team is better and won events. he is a team player and someone who does not need to be as flashy as s1mple to win tournaments. This is what I wanted to say, have a great day everybody that read this!
2019-01-03 13:31
#99
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Faroe Islands rationale 
Couldn't agree more with ya
2019-01-03 14:26
#101
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India iejesus 
I guess This is an individual award isnt it Lmao
2019-01-03 14:32
#110
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Sweden KHARDAR 
astralis best team = device best player xdddd i guess fifflaren was best world in 2013 xdddd
2019-01-03 14:51
why fiff tho it was gtr obviously
2019-01-03 21:40
#188
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Sweden KHARDAR 
because he compared team accomplishments for a individual award so nip being the best team must mean that all the players on nip are the best in the world since they won against everyone else xddd
2019-01-04 01:52
>swedish brain >trying to use reasoning while attempting to bait 0/8
2019-01-05 02:26
#209
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Sweden KHARDAR 
used same reasoning as him so that makes me bulgaria brain?
2019-01-05 15:12
Imagine actually thinking s1mple is bad of the problem i the team lol
2019-01-05 13:06
+1 s1mple is number 2
2019-01-03 11:25
nice links and but 8/8
2019-01-03 11:27
#6
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Croatia KockicaRekt 
+1
2019-01-03 11:27
#7
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Faroe Islands OH!! 
if you post links, make them avaliable. anyways, i completly agree with this post
2019-01-03 11:27
#9
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Poland Este 
It was a copy/pasta from my other post under someones comment, I'm doing it all from smartphone during work so I'm trying to do it as quickly as possible. Sorry for that.
2019-01-03 11:29
#10
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Faroe Islands OH!! 
k man
2019-01-03 11:29
Pathetic device defenders, i'd like to see your faces when s1mple get that #1 spot
2019-01-03 11:33
#20
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Poland Este 
I won't cry if you'd like to imagine that :D I cried far too much over VP results and disband to even care about who is getting #1 spot, I'm just making my statement.
2019-01-03 11:42
S1mple #1 rating with 0.1 more rating than device that is a really big gap #1 Impact rating #1 K/D #1 DPR #1 Opening kill rating + % success by winning them #2 Clutch wins only 1 less than Xyp9x and he have 5 more games He is #1 in stats vs all teams at big events #1 in stats vs top 10 teams at big events #1 in stats vs top 5 teams at big events He even have more rating against Astralis than device has against Na'Vi He won best PC Esport player of 2018 He won Best CSGO player of 2018 (Betway) Basicly every guy that works in CSGO Esport ( Casters and so on ) thinks S1mple is clear #1 player 2018 same as they think Astralis is #1 team Now go ahead and call him a baiter and that device have more MVP's
2019-01-03 11:35
+1
2019-01-03 11:37
device has major device has more mvps bottom line.
2019-01-03 11:41
Good for him :) S1mple 1.30 major rating 2018 device 1.12 major rating 2018 But atleast he have major MVP :3
2019-01-03 11:45
you really think rating will get him a #1 on hltv lol
2019-01-03 12:19
4 wins 6 MVP's 5 if we count big events HLTV guy on twitter already confirmed that Many top 4s Only team with FaZe that have won against Astralis Basicly ONLY rating gave him #4 spot in 2016 he won nothing or no MVP's and that rating he had then is not even close to what he has today
2019-01-03 12:26
north?
2019-01-04 02:16
#205
Bewgz | 
Australia g00sey 
They won ESL NY 2016
2019-01-05 02:43
Pronax has more major Bottom line
2019-01-03 11:49
+1
2019-01-03 19:54
The more MVPs argument is invalid seeing as it would usually be Device with 0.01 better rating than his next 2 best teammates and having Xyp save your ass multiple times helps too. Like Thooorin said, "If Device plays even 1% worse in these tournaments he has MAYBE 3 MVPs.
2019-01-03 15:27
that isnt true in the slightest in 4 mvp evenst he has .10 above his next teammate exceptions are the major which was just .01 iem chicago which he had the same rating as dupreeh (he wasnt in the running anyway for his terrible playoff performances) ecs season 6 where he had .05 above gla1ve which last time i checked a 1 percent difference wouldnt make up for that
2019-01-04 02:36
#27
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Poland Este 
Ekhm... EKHM... about that s1mple ratings... EKHM... his top 6 best ratings are against Ghost, Hellraisers, NIP, NRG and Gambit so lets not get ahead of ourselves with that 0.1 huge gap. Basically all of stats you mentioned means shit if you look at overall opponents of simple and device, which I was pointing out. Device never played against Hellraisers, BIG, Heroic, Ghost and other below average teams - no offence, I know my place I'm a VP fan. About 2nd part where you point out how he is #1 against all teams at big events, well I have no idea what you are talking about and how you come up with that, could you point me out? You mean simple was better playing only 8 maps against TOP2 team where device had to play over 30? Maybe select some stats and clear that out for me, thanks. About part that he is having better stats than device in astralis vs navi clushes. I'm not doubting that you clearly took it a part and looked at both teams structure. Where in navi simple has 10 times more freedom as a player since navi is not even touching astralis gamestyle. As shown in results between those two teams. I won't even try to take apart last part as it makes no sense to me. I always give people example, so they can understand the mechanics a bit better. If you are a global elite and you end up with 4 people on DMG level at the end of the game your stats will be far better than your teammates, no matter who you play against. You are just far better than your teammates and that fact just put a bigger light on how good you are compared to them and if they are smart enough they will even help you boost your stats since they know they are no capable of doing what you are doing in game. On the other hand if you play a game on faceit where all of your teammates are on the same level, lets say lvl 9. The game will be easier overall, cause you are working well with the rest, they understand you and you don't have to sweat your ass off to be numer one in the table and take all the duels. Your teammates will help you out with kills, no worries. Unfortunately you will less likely outshine them like you did on MM. Peace out.
2019-01-03 12:02
Not gonna read that because you are just baiting but did read that first ghost part and same can be said to device his highest rating is against C9 so ya
2019-01-03 12:06
#33
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Poland Este 
I'm not baiting. Cloud9 is the only lower tier team on device's list.
2019-01-03 12:07
But your logic is still bait because he still have better rating than device against top 5 teams your picture ( did not check ) is just a bait hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. And if you gonna say stuff now like look the K/D difference and everything device is over S1mple at its kinda obvious that he will have more if he have more games
2019-01-03 12:15
#42
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Poland Este 
I said in the comments I fixed the stats in all of my comments, since I put up an old picture with 100 maps. I just cannot edit my post to change it there as well. Still I think it's not logical to say that you have better stats because you played more games. What the fuck? If I played more games I'm more consistent and it is far harder to maintain that big rating. I had far better stats when I had 100 faceit games because every match counted, unlike now where I have over 800 matches. Of course it works both ways, but I'm looking far more respectfully on someone who has 1000 games and 1.3 K/D ratio on faceit than someone who played 100 games and has the same ratio.
2019-01-03 12:19
K/D adds up with more games Total kills adds up with more games and stats like that but again you are a bad baiter
2019-01-03 12:20
K/D don’t add up, it’s a ratio.
2019-01-03 12:55
the K/D difference.... yes play bad and it goes down but does not happend for good players.
2019-01-03 12:56
dont argue with this stubborn dude youre too intelligent for him
2019-01-03 21:44
#37
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Ukraine Valarnirmirgt 
Device was farming ecos this year vs good and bad teams, so?
2019-01-03 12:12
#84
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Poland Este 
When you look only at playoffs on LAN games, device was playing only against good teams except for Cloud9.
2019-01-03 13:53
And it disturbs him from farming ecos?
2019-01-03 15:33
#130
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Poland Este 
No, but he was farming it against top teams.
2019-01-03 15:34
Oh, its really good, but s1mple still better than device vs top 5 teams
2019-01-03 15:47
#140
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Poland Este 
He is sligthly better and only because he played 66 maps, whereas device had to fight with the same top teams on over 112 maps.
2019-01-03 15:59
He was fighting against top 5 teams more times, cuz Astralis are better And stop counting maps, i dont think that device's kda will be better if he will play 66 maps,cuz he was injuried
2019-01-03 20:36
#177
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World neomax360 
It is also hard to analyse a pro player only on K/D stats and stuff like that. If so XyP9x would'nt be in top 20. Whereas everyone know how an impactful player he is. The only way for that stats to be fair and square is to play the same team with the same teammates. That 's why it is good to look at the differents stats, to analyse important games and also to consider overall accomplishment. The #1 will either Device or S1mple according to what Hltv will decide to emphisises on. If focusing on individual performance of S1mple then S1mple #1, if they decide to focuses on overall accomplishment then Device.
2019-01-03 21:08
Ye, you are right
2019-01-03 21:35
Lol what? Astralis gets teams like Tyloo at every event. I swear Astralis plays Tyloo at every event that both attend.
2019-01-03 15:28
device: 1.19 vs faze 1.13 vs navi 1.26 vs liquid 1.35 vs mouz s1mple: 1.28 vs faze 1.19 vs astralis 1.14 vs liquid 1.40 vs mouz btw hltv.org/stats/players/opponents/team/75..
2019-01-03 13:02
#64
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Poland Este 
Thank you for a valueable content. Simple clearly was way better than device against those teams.
2019-01-03 13:34
Even against Astralis he is better than dev1ce vs Navi
2019-01-03 15:05
#116
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Poland Este 
Yes, I just realised it was a dramatic difference between device performance against Navi and simple performance against Astralis, puf! Also I realised that device playedd 112 maps against top5 and simple only 66, simple had less time to show how good he is!
2019-01-03 15:08
Astralis boost rating on Liquid 30 fucking maps or more + 27-0 on Nuke Nobody play Nuke lol except mouz
2019-01-03 15:11
#119
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Poland Este 
Yes, telling that noone is LOL playing LOL nuke LOL except LOL mouz is a perfect addition to who is the best player in 2018 individually. Especially after saying LOL that LOL astralis LOL is LOL boosting LOL stats LOL against LOL a LOL team LOL that LOL literally LOL was LOL longer a LOL top2 LOL team LOL than LOL navi LOL in LOL 2018 LOL
2019-01-03 15:14
You make 700 faults in your message. Overall top of 2018: Navi top2, liquid top4
2019-01-03 15:15
And NaVi were longer n2 than liquid for sure baiter
2019-01-03 20:37
#172
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Poland Este 
Of course navi was longer at top2, nearly 5 months. Liquid was top2 for few weeks at best, but I won't argue with someone who says that nuke is meaningless and only mouz is playing that.
2019-01-03 20:51
Liquid>mouz on nuke actually
2019-01-03 20:58
sad thing is I dont even think that you are baiting
2019-01-03 19:36
#161
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Poland Este 
I'm not, it's my statement as I have every right to make one. I've never been disrespectful towards anyone on this post. I can always say that I'm right and you are not and I will keep it that way until the point when you prove me wrong. I said it many times if s1mple gets #1 by HLTV I will bow my head and respect that, since I don't have enough knowledge or pro-level gamesens to be even a meaningful vote in this case.
2019-01-03 19:41
#173
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World neomax360 
Nice argument. I would also put Device #1 over S1mple. I feel sorry for S1mple because he is mechanically the best player this year but, at one point to rate the best pro players, you also have to acknowledge the team accomplishment, and on that point the year of Astralis outshine the rest of CSGO scene.
2019-01-03 20:52
this guy crying on another s1mple dev1ce thread again i don't know why you cry so much like is there something wrong? did your loved one pass away or something?
2019-01-05 02:30
Try min maps: 66
2019-01-03 11:40
+1 he dont even know what to do
2019-01-03 11:41
op is retarded
2019-01-03 19:38
1.26 vs top5
2019-01-03 11:41
+1 #12
2019-01-03 11:42
#22
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Brazil cadik 
+1 Even taco was more useful in liquid than s1mple with his eco/exit frags vs tier 5 teams
2019-01-03 11:48
#38
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Ukraine Valarnirmirgt 
Stop writing about taco, he's absolute trash
2019-01-03 12:13
reported cuz u only like device cuz u r gay. dumb homo
2019-01-03 11:49
#45
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Denmark Tobias191O 
Typical s1mple fanboy insults. You're really showing how narrow-minded your countries are.
2019-01-03 12:20
actually u forgot to change min maps parameter so s1mple isnt there
2019-01-03 11:54
#51
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Denmark MeToxi 
+1 S1mple is still nr. 1 but to be fair, this just goes to show that device and the rest of astralis have had to play more top 5 teams compared to s1mple which in theory should be in s1mples favor regarding stats.
2019-01-03 12:43
#12 rekt u cya
2019-01-03 12:01
2019-01-03 12:03
#30
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Poland Este 
Thanks my man, I fixed it in my overall comments as well.
2019-01-03 12:05
#34
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North America AlanSmith 
+1
2019-01-03 12:08
#39
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Ukraine mpletop1 
So what? Most of that is against chokequid in finals and that's not something that should be taken without a grain of salt.
2019-01-03 12:14
All this top-5 top-10 filters a bit bad, cuz 1 player can play all games agaist top-5 team another agaist top-1 team and you would compere them? player can play majority of the games agaist top-3 teams, and another majority agaist top-4 top-5
2019-01-03 12:16
No need to argue at all, even s1mple himself also said that the best player wins tournaments. Which could apply to this case as well. :D
2019-01-03 12:23
Best team wins not the best player and that goes for everything if you think Fnatic/NiP/SK won becouse of their best player you are retarded they had really good players all around but in CS most of the time the best player plays in the best team but not always
2019-01-03 12:34
Yes, 1vs9 really wins tournament. Take device out of astralis they are still top3 team easily, take s1mple out of navi they won't even make it top10.
2019-01-03 13:00
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOU CANT TELL THE TRUTH YOU PIECE OF SHIT
2019-01-03 13:21
#88
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Poland Este 
Navi was nearly always in top5 region no matter if s1mple played with them or not. He was supposed to be lifting them to the level of top1 team. S1mple can't find a team that will keep up with him skill wise but he surely is not lifting others to do so. Astralis is actually one of the longest standing core lineups, and they all stuck togethere and build their gamestyle together and device was always called as one of their superstars. It clearly means he not only helped them skill wise, but also fits into team perfectly.
2019-01-03 14:01
#75
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Germany NatsuS 
S1mple said why he hate germans but at esl cologne he enjoyed the party. Hmm
2019-01-03 13:42
XDDDDDDDD 0/8
2019-01-03 12:31
so, top1 should be NiKo cuz categories in which he is winning are more important...
2019-01-03 13:02
#66
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Poland Este 
Can't compare NiKo to device nor simple, he is playing a totally different role in his team.
2019-01-03 13:36
There is only one problem - HLTV thinks that NAVI and Liquid are not TOP 5 teams imgur.com/a/1erBfaj HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
2019-01-03 13:17
#69
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Poland Este 
You made the same mistake as I did.
2019-01-03 13:37
No joxi.net/KAxJZOqUMO4MYm TOP 10 and it will be all players
2019-01-03 13:38
#81
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Poland Este 
According to your logic ropz should be #12 and he clearly was announced as #18 this year.
2019-01-03 13:50
according to statistics. Not my logic. In your statistic THERE IS NO S1MPLE because HLTV just do not show Navi as top 5 team. That is not your mistake. Just check stats your self - s1mple just > device ropz is not 12th because mousesports did not win anything
2019-01-03 14:27
#103
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Poland Este 
My statistics do not show simple because I filtered over 80 maps. Device played over 110 maps on biggest stages where simple played only 66. That's why he is not showing. Device literally played double the time simple did on big stages and only against top tier teams. Simple has only 66 maps because Navi failed in later stages of many tournaments, it means most of these 66 maps were played in groupstages or early into playoffs, which means he was playing against lower tier team - Ghost, NRG, NIP, Heroic, Hellraisers.
2019-01-03 14:44
pointless s1mple will be ez #1 >/closed
2019-01-03 13:19
S1mple will 100% be number 1. It's just a fact.
2019-01-03 13:28
#65
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Kyrgyzstan coldnezz 
lol, not enough maps to show s1mple
2019-01-03 13:35
#73
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Poland Este 
That's the whole point. How the best player on the planet in 2018 haven't even played enough maps to get into the ranking. It means he didn't qualify to majority of finals at big events. How he would perform if he played as much on top level as device?
2019-01-03 13:39
#87
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Kyrgyzstan coldnezz 
bad b8. the whole topic crashes anyway
2019-01-03 14:01
#89
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Poland Este 
It was meant to crush, it's HLTV bro. You can't have any serious argument here. I was here when whole HLTV was making threads about VP being top1 after beating SK in times of their dominance and I'm here now when noone remembers that. That's why I'll be waiting to see if my point of view is wrong or right and I let decide about that to someone who will actually look at the bigger picture.
2019-01-03 14:05
either you are retarded or retarded and b8ing, obviously only reason s1mple isn't 1st in top 5 u posted is cuz he doesn't have enough maps played cuz demand is too damn high in that statistic xd.. . edit: ez clap hltv.org/stats?startDate=2018-01-01&endD..
2019-01-03 13:42
#90
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Poland Este 
So what you are trying to say is that: simple played only 66 maps on big events of which nearly half is in groupstages or low into playoffs, therefore he played against such teams as Heroic, Ghost, NRG, THEREFORE his stats is a big achievement? device on the other hand played nearly double the time on big events only against top level teams on top of their game in most crucial games of finals and he nearly put up the same stats as simple? Hm... I think I'm done with HLTV for now.
2019-01-03 14:10
Device also has the best igl entry fragger support and magisk who is easily top 8 likely top 5 on his team. Individually it's not close and thats what the list is based on
2019-01-03 14:20
stats I listed were only top 5 also, there was no such opponents u mention but only top 5 teams, are you retarded or actually b8ing in 2019? OMEGALUL
2019-01-03 14:51
#112
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Poland Este 
Sry I meant to say NIP, NRG and fnatic. Not that makes simples achievements this year hella more respectful.
2019-01-03 14:58
He only played out of those fnatic and it was once, NRG has never even been top 5???? wtf are you even saying bro.
2019-01-03 15:00
It doesn't count s1mple cause there's not enough maps on top5... idiot
2019-01-03 13:37
#91
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Poland Este 
#90
2019-01-03 14:10
"against teams like Heroic...." lmao, 66 maps against top5, check it yourself s1mple has clearly played better than device this year who also has the best player in every role with Astralis its not s1mple's fault he hasnt played a lot of maps neither If you seriously think device > s1mple, then i am not sure that you have more than 60 iq OMEGALUL
2019-01-03 14:47
#111
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Poland Este 
How you can say that he played better than device if he only played half of the time that device has played against top5 teams? It's like you would leave the game at Major finals after first map and someone would call you the player of the match.
2019-01-03 14:53
That's not how it works lol.. Just watching demos you can see how much of a better year he had.
2019-01-03 15:19
#70
s1mple | 
Switzerland x676 
Who cares when you are boosting your stats with the best team in the world working around/for you to the point that the team is breaking the meta, sorry but this is like boosting stats on DM. Get to semis or finals and boost your stats there. I rather prefer someone go put a team in top 2 himself alone.
2019-01-03 13:38
#76
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Poland Este 
Being the best (stats wise) around the best is the hardest thing to do. Astralis not only broke the meta, their individual performance was out of reach as well. Literally being top1 in astralis is like being top1 out of 4 other star players, who will not let you fuck up the game cause u need a flashy play for you summary fragmovie. Being the best around one good player and 3 bots who literally play support role around you is still extremely hard but lets you choose what you want to do and how you want to do it. That's why NaVi failed to reach for top1 spot, that's why they failed in major. Their gamestyle is based on simples performance, which build extreme pressure around him but also boosts him as his role in the team is crucial.
2019-01-03 13:46
Nothing you just said explains why device is better than s1mple (cause hes not) just why Astralis is better than Navi.
2019-01-03 14:21
#102
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Poland Este 
Let me put it in the simpliest way I can possibly imagine: if you are surrounded by noobs, you HAVE TO carry and if you are anywhere decent you will - which will in natural way build your stats higher as that's the only thing you can do if you are surrounded by players on the same level as you frags distribution will be more neutral as you don't have to push yourself to get that frags no matter what It's heavily complicated phenomena that can be seen in typical MM game. Nothing new to someone who played a lot of CS on different skill level. As for device and simple putting pure k/d ratio or 2.0 ratings especially when device played double the time simple did on big stages is just wrong. Simple had to play for frags and his team focused on helping him doing so (navi is carried by only 2 people), so naturally he was boosting them during groupstages and early into playoffs. Device on the other hand was not pushing himself to be the one who frags, as his teammates showed incredible individual performance unless he had to in crucial round where he did - games against fnatic/mousesports or many rounds against Liquid or many others which granted him MVP's. So in other words you can put it this way: Navi's structure around simple helped him boost amazing stats and showed everyone how skillful he is, but they've failed to reach for #1 spot and in major showed how badly wrong it is Astralis structure helped them dominate whole year as #1 team but stats where equally divided, nevertheless device still managed to pull of nearly as good stats as simple
2019-01-03 14:40
if you are surrounded by players on the same level as you frags distribution will be more neutral as you don't have to push yourself to get that frags no matter what Being surrounded by better players certainly reduces the amount of frags you get but it also reduces the amount of deaths you will see because you wont have to take as many fights or make as many risky plays. It also means you will be winning more often and therefore facing ecos more which will also give a boost to stats. Device also is the star of his team as well and they do play around him and set him up just the same if not better than s1mple. It's not just the fact that s1mple has better stats it's the context of them. Hes doing the absolute most for his team that any player has ever done. He gets entries, multi kills, clutches does an insane amount of damage, stays alive more or as much as any player. Hes doing things we havent seen before breaking records left and right from winning MVPs in multiplen tournaments he didnt win to raw number records such as these: reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/a6.. Also you do realize that device has every opportunity to have the same stats as s1mple does. It has nothing to do with the structure of the team prevents him from getting kills. Device DOES lose 1v1 aim duels, he DOES miss shots. It's not like hes optimal every single second of the game there is improvement to be made in his play, mistakes to be corrected, ways that he COULD be doing better and therefore closing the statistical gap on s1mple. You think device chooses not to get kills because he knows hes going to win? No he's trying every second of the game and every player would tell you that if they could put up s1mple type numbers they would be.
2019-01-03 15:10
#128
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Poland Este 
First of all, thank you for time to put a reasonable comment - finally I found someone on HLTV. Secondly, I do not like the way you constructed your comment. It heavily favours simple in a way it also could favor device. I don't know if you watched any of Astralis games, especially finals but device was also doing the same for the team that you mentioned about simple. He not only was doing nearly the same job as simple but he was consistently doing that for twice longer than simple did (device played 112 maps against top5, while simple only 66). He never chocked so dramaticlly as simple in major final. About that winning more and ecos more, mniah... I'm not really sure how heavily you can boost yourself when you are mainly AWP'ing, perhaps that's a factor I should take into consideration. Astralis is not set up just for device like navi is for simple. We've seen games where dupreeh was playing AWP more often than device, show me that on Navi. Lastly, no device dont have every opportunity to put up stats like simple. Device didn't face teams like North, Ghost, Heroic, Hellraisers, NRG on LANs. Due to Astralis great performance he didn't have the chance to get highest 2.0 rating from online qualifiers achievement, which I'm sure he is glad for. He had to stay consistenly on top of his game during many more finals than simple. Like I said early in my comments, people who know much more about analysis and game itself will decide who is top1, I will bow respectfully if it's simple.
2019-01-03 15:32
+1111111 Im glad, that someone still can use his brain properly. You are right. Navi plays for simple. He is the most valuable player on that team. So he will get trades, info, flash assistance, baiting... everything to get those kills. While device is fighting with his supreme teammates for those kills. He is not starplayer he is teamplayer. rating is not the only thing that has influence on the rating. I hope device will get #1. Simple fans are just watching on his flashy kills. But kills is not the only thing to do. You are aiming 10-20seconds of 2-minutes round. Its not that important.
2019-01-03 15:45
S1mple literally has better ratings vs all of the top 5 teams when you compare. He just doesnt get to face them as often because his team is not as good and therefore they do not always get as far. Also matches vs top 5 top 10 specifically has never been used as a metric in the rankings and either way s1mples ratings are better but just less often, you can only face who you go up against and s1mple is superior at literally everything to device in statistical metrics. I only use big event ratings to deicee between top players so online boost matches are irrelevant. Whether or not Astralis are the same as Navi in how they set up the star is irrelevant both s1mple and device are the stars of the team and are red resources, device is constantly dropped the AWP and allowed to rotate around the map with freedom and yes he gives up the AWP on some maps by choice and to switch up the dynamic of the team that's not sacrificial thats a decision that they all agree on. I understand device having to perform in finals but in many of them he was not one of their best players and his teammates are a huge reason for his success. The reason Astralis gameplan doesnt revolve around device the same way Navis revolves around s1mple is because s1mples talent level is that much more superior to his teammates than device is and therefore the best way for them to win is to play heavily around him. It's pretty much guaranteed to be s1mple, every analyst agreed. Anders Moses Thoorin and Rlewis agreed on by the numbers, and 2 sites has already named him the player of the year both of which had device 2nd. Anything else would be egregious and would cause huge question in HLTVs metrics over the years as everything that theyve done in the past with the rankings points to s1mple being number 1 this year.
2019-01-03 16:05
#146
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Poland Este 
"S1mple literally has better ratings vs all of the top 5 teams when you compare. He just doesnt get to face them as often" That is just my whole point since the beginning. It's not that he doesnt get to face them as often, he played nearly twice less games against top5 teams - it's ridiculous when you think about it. Device played twice that much and yet only has 0.05 worse rating than simple. The other 60+ maps that device played over simple are also played in higher stages of tournaments - just like you said harder parts of tournaments where navi failed to qualify as they were not good enough. Anyway, I'm off to home from work, have a good evening and let's see who was right!
2019-01-03 17:16
Its .09 and .09 is huge. Biggest gap of any two players next to each other since 2.0. Navi failed, s1mple played the best individually which is the primary basis of the rankings. Your "point" has never been a metric used by HLTV to determine rankings. They arent going to differentiate the two because of map count vs top 5 at big events, that's so small in comparison to the statistical gap and impact of the two players measurably. S1mple has a huge sample size of games, hes clearly played enough vs elite and strong teams for us to determine his skill level and his raw output is far and beyond what any player has ever done in CSGO and for that reason he will undoubtedly be top 1 just as he has been claimed to be by every analyst the entire year and by multiple other CSGO dedicated sites already. Thanks for the talk and thanks for being respectful.
2019-01-03 18:19
#158
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Poland Este 
It's .05 according to HLTV stats + yea, my point has been a metric since there was never a player with such a huge gap between top players in apperance on latest stages of big events. If s1mple pull of #1 it will be a groundbreaking record.
2019-01-03 19:35
Please show me any instance of HLTV specifically using "matches vs top 5 map count" in their rankings. And also s1mple has the highest playoff rating of any player which is how they usually determine individual success in important matches. The fact that device has played more due to being on a better team isnt going to help him. Also you do realize s1mple and navinmade like 13 top 4s and won 3 tournaments right? It's not like they did nothing this year
2019-01-03 19:44
"Device not hunting for frags" Every 16-6 and less games he enda with 25 frags or more Stats booster Just s1mple facts Device rating on Faceit major 1.24 Without 2 group stage trash maps vs Vega 16-4 and Mibr 16-0 his rating drops to 1.06
2019-01-03 15:09
+1111111
2019-01-03 15:38
#74
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
Always this trash threads. S1mple is best no matter how you shape your statistics. Raw statistics = true When you start shaping them even the biggest noob like device can be number 1
2019-01-03 13:39
#77
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Poland Este 
I'm not shaping anything. Just making my statement clear. For me #1 player should be the one who fits perfectly with his role into the best team on the planet, not only fullfilling his role but also making it damn perfectly. Not to mention #1 player should play as much on finals of big stages as possible, and simple didnt do so (i know it's not his fault).
2019-01-03 13:49
Are you retarded? It's about individual performance not a team performance. One man army vs very tactical team... Like simple doesn't fit awper role perfectly? Are you high? Put device to s1mple place and you will see how device is capable to carry or show raw skill. You are ducking clueless pig.
2019-01-03 14:15
#98
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Poland Este 
I don't if you are clueless or you just stuck on gold nova 4 during your 300h period with CS but CS is not based on carrying with frags or showing raw skill. Skillset of a pro player is way beyond raw frags making capability. No matter how good player would be he would get nowhere without being able to fit into teamplay based game like this.
2019-01-03 14:25
THAT RANKING IS ABOUT PERSONAL PERFORMANCE, raw skill. It's not hltv team award dumbass. When i said something about frags? When one guy can carry his bot team vs top teams he deserve to be called best... Of course it's about raw skill of the player. Like it or not but this game is based on fragging. Better team/player almost always outfrag enemy. If one good player playing with 4 bots can't archive something doesn't mean he is worse then someone in winning team. Yoy aee to retarded to understand that devixe have better team mates that's why they win, that doesn't mean he is best player in the world individually.
2019-01-03 17:15
#147
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Poland Este 
You literally understood nothing from what I wrote. Please go over comments on this post, get some knowledge about my point and then come back at me with some solid thought arguments.
2019-01-03 17:18
You have no solid arguments in first place. Crying becouse device have worse stats and looking for excuses. And not to mention some funny philosophy about simple game.
2019-01-03 17:27
#156
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Poland Este 
No philosophy intended, s1mple has never made any team great in his entire career. Device has build Astralis dominance along others with longest standing core lineup, being consistently in top5 year after year.
2019-01-03 19:31
If you dont think Navi is a great team you're delusional. In any other year theyd be contending for the top spot. They're literally ranked the 2nd best team of the year by HLTV and its all on s1mple and electronics backs carrying players that otherwise should be on tier 2 teams.
2019-01-03 20:24
#171
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Poland Este 
You should pay more attention to what I'm saying. "He never MADE any team great", which means he never made a bad team into a great team, up until this point but I'm sure electronic's form rise (apart of simple's great performances) is a huge part of it. Navi always was a great team and s1mple joining them was the one least experienced and with least achievements to his count. On May 2016 old Navi roster was #2 team just losing few points to #1 team at the time. On August 2016 with s1mple on board they've dropped 3 spots down. On Novemeber of 2016 they were a #9 team since then they were consistently out of top 5 up until the point where GuardiaN left the team around July 2017 placing Navi at #16 spot. Late 2017 they were around #14 - #15 spot, then electronic joined the team. They started to gain form in early 2018. To me it's not looking like s1mple "MADE" NaVi great, more like after nearly 1,5 years after he joined the team they've started to climb back to their normal spots.
2019-01-03 20:46
Ever think that has something to do with the players around s1mple and not him? Because hes consistently been performing like a top 5 player for 3 years now. Also none of that is relevant to deciding who is actually the better player in 2018.
2019-01-03 20:55
#126
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Germany NatsuS 
Best player is who play best independed from his team. Independent of 0 isn't possible cuz there is always a correlation in team games. But S1mple correlation is far lower than devices. And this is why S1mple is better. I mean you argument with statistics so do I now and we have a different result.
2019-01-03 15:28
#80
s1 | 
Ukraine mpletop1 
Ecolai farming eco frags against chokequid to pad his stats
2019-01-03 13:50
#82
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Poland Este 
#81
2019-01-03 13:51
#83
s1 | 
Ukraine mpletop1 
Where do you see ropz there?
2019-01-03 13:52
#85
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Poland Este 
You literally put up the same statistics as the other guy I replied to did. One difference is that you selected Top5 not Top10. So my comment is reffering to overall logic of your statement as ropz being just an example.
2019-01-03 13:55
#97
s1 | 
Ukraine mpletop1 
He didn't even reply. 0/8
2019-01-03 14:23
#104
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Poland Este 
+1 for your effort, Let's see which logic was right. I will bow my head respectfully if HLTV analysis will show s1mple as no.1 and not no.2. Peace out.
2019-01-03 14:46
yes thank you
2019-01-03 14:48
#96
SPUNJ | 
Czech Republic Pee_Tea 
You must be braindead if you think device will be no.1
2019-01-03 14:22
#105
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Poland Este 
Doctor says my brain is alive, but he must be lying to me. Anyways, as always I love constructive argument on HLTV forums :)
2019-01-03 14:46
I’ll remember this post when device gets #3
2019-01-03 14:48
#149
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Poland Este 
I'll remember this comment when he will get above that.
2019-01-03 17:23
#124
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Denmark Jonasnhj 
Exactly. Someone else other than me with an actual brain within Counter Strike, and Pro CS
2019-01-03 15:24
Flag checks out LOL
2019-01-03 21:40
+11111
2019-01-03 15:49
#138
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Switzerland meme_jesus 
If you lower the required maps for top5 than s1mple is still top1 in almost any stat S1mple is easily getting top1 you like it or not, cry is free.
2019-01-03 15:58
p
2019-01-03 16:00
but s1mple and NiKo are so much better than dev1ce which makes me hate the possibility dev1ce could be nr.1
2019-01-03 16:16
#148
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Poland Este 
To be perfectly honest I'd like to see device being put into s1mple's shoes - playing with way worse teammates than himself. He would have to leave his comfort zone of his passive positioning plays and go all in. This could be way more exciting than Astralis dominance. I'm not mentioning NiKo since we all saw what he is capable of doing back in mousesports.
2019-01-03 17:21
he already was in 2016.Astralis was a garbage team in the middle year ,exiting so many times in groupstage.Dupreeh was about to got kicked.Xypex was playing bad.Karrigan.. what can you say?and Kjaerbye who was playing decent back then as well. Device has finished as best big event player (statwise) anyway: hltv.org/stats?startDate=2016-01-01&endD.. Carrying games vs top 1 at the time LG(but unfortunately losing coz shit team) hltv.org/matches/2302613/astralis-vs-lum..
2019-01-03 17:35
yeah, this is totally true. i mean, dev1ce is even struggeling while having success with his team and as you can see his appearance isn't necessary to have Astralis winning games.
2019-01-03 18:28
#157
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Poland Este 
I wouldn't call struggling as refering to someone who just broke history record of most MVP achieved during a whole year + he is only 0.05 rating behind s1mple on 2.0 rating. Anyway, ye I'd love to see that. Have a nice evening.
2019-01-03 19:33
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. Where you getting .05 from that's a .12 difference at big events in 2018?
2019-01-03 20:57
he would be an average star player imo. dignitas wasn't winning shit back in the day and were known as a team that always lost in semis. tsm was a top5 team but they still chocked more than they should have. i don't think device needs to change anything. people need to understand that comfort zone is actually important. device is more of a passive player but he plays that role really well and it is embedded smartly into astralis's style. device doesn't need to be the best and most skillful player in the world for astralis to win games, and he isn't, that's the point people either don't understand or don't want to understand. that being said he's definitely a top5 hybrid and performance wise a top3 this year for sure.
2019-01-03 20:01
#144
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Other delmaszm 
it's always the same debate, either its the BEST player, or a great player that perform well in BIG games because is he surrounded by other good player This is like Messi vs Ronaldo shit. S1mple is a flashy freak, born with it - Device is the guy who worked his ass off, playing for a while now and is the best player in the best team. Anyway they are both great player and we'll just have to wait an see (Also ranking always means that some people chose one player over the other, without being objective)
2019-01-03 16:22
I was about to create same topic.Simple and electronic are boosting stats vs tier 2-3 teams. Electronic has only 1.08 rating against top 5.Device has better playoffs rating than simple as well. It's also worth to notice that navi is using playstyle that helps to shine theirs 2 best players. Some ppl just don't understand that if entire team is based on you get can insane stats but not always win.I'm done reading comments that device got good rating because astralis is winning. They have 5x top 10-15 players.There's no way to post great stats every game when you have ONLY insane players in your team unless you win everything like 16-0,16-1
2019-01-03 17:30
Where did you get playoff ratings, I didn't know there was a way to sort by playoffs?
2019-01-04 02:00
there's no way to sort it,unless you're hltv admin.Just fast calculations with excel
2019-01-04 17:02
what did there playoff ratings work out to?
2019-01-05 01:47
I calculated it myself, you lied, s1mple has a 1.30 playoff rating, device has a 1.27 playoff rating I just checked and it seems 1.3 is a bigger number then 1.27, which is strange since you said this "Device has better playoffs rating than simple as well." You didn't just say it assuming it was right without checking did you? (this is only counting big events)
2019-01-05 02:14
remove starseries s5,this joke event was tier 2 not big event and it's equal.Look at navi opponents in playoffs and compare them to astralis.Face it major for example getting bug clan(rape) and decent mibr(rape again) at the time ,while astralis got faze and liquid. DH Masters Marseille mouz and gambit vs faze(top 1 at the time) and fnatic(top 2 at the time) and there's more of that. S1mple got only 38% of lan games vs top 5 teams while device got 68%. You can clearly see who's having tougher task to get insane stats. If you can go deeply into statistics of 2018 difference between device and simple at the highest level of competition is almost gone.I wouldn't be suprised if Tgwri1s(guy who makes hltv ranking) put device over simple because of this. Waiting for hltv community to crying a river
2019-01-05 11:23
I see you have moved the goal post from device has a higher playoff rating then s1mple, to device played better opposition, and is better against the best teams in the world, after this i'm going to make you move the goal posts even farther. S1mple has better stats vs top 5 teams, 1.25 compared to devices rating of 1.20, so the gap is still significant. He played slightly less maps but still enough to prove he is still the best player in the world against top 5 teams as well. Also something to note is that device doesn't have to play against the team with the most effective tactical system, one which is known for shutting down star players, meanwhile s1mple is 0.01 short of having the same rating against astralis that device has against top 5 opposition. Starseries season 5 was not a joke run, they played sk gaming, and peak mousesports twice, thats the same mous that won sltv 4 a completely stacked event. As for Marseilles if device having good stats against fnatic is so impressive, and s1mple just boosted stats agasint shitters, then it would logically conclude s1mple would do poorly against fnatic, lets see how s1mple did against fnatic because they played a bo3 at that event, oh look he went +25 in the series with a 1.4 rating, maybe fnatic are not so hard to play. Also while your diminishing s1mples marseille run because he didn't play amazing opposition, you failed to notice he put up a 1.3 rating against the best team of all time, thats better then device playing against teams struggling to be in the top 10, like hellraisers, and g2. So if you put fnatic as the number 3 team, astralis was clearly the number 1 team, and mouse is definitely the number 4 team at the time, that means s1mple played the number 1,3, and 4 team in the world, and put up a 1.52 rating in the event. If we remove sltv 5 then we also remove blast Istanbul, which was devices second best event statistically and was a much much much worse event then sltv season 5, the 3rd best team at the event was fucking nip, the 4th best team was cloud 9 with a stand in, and it was nearly all bo1s. Meanwhile sltv season4 had basically every top team except astralis and faze, and it was a BO3 swiss system, probably the most grueling and demanding format and tournament has ever had. So while for the general stats s1mple has a slightly easier road, no matter which way you sort it s1mples stats are just significantly better then device, there is not a way around it, unless your willing to be really dishonest, or disingenuous. So now what you need to do is just forget everything you said in your previous comment and argue that stats don't matter, and s1mple just baits, and all s1mples stats are super inflated because he gets all the best spots(conveniently forget on ct side dust 2 he pretty much solos b and mid in there default setup), and that somehow being on the most dominant team somehow makes your stats worse. When you say this just ignore that every time the rest of astralis are not as good as they normally are, like at blast coopenhagen, and IEM chicago that devices stats get way worse. Instead go with the line that after magisk joined within a month all 5 players on the team became 10-20% individually better, and it definitely isn't that playing on the team with the best system and teamwork of any team ever makes it easier to get more kills and better stats then if you didn't play in that system. Or what you can do is you can just pretend the massive gap is stats are insignificant, Of course if you are going to take this route you will have to ignore that the difference in kpr between s1mple and device is the same as the difference in kpr between device and ropz, so if s1mple and device are very close statistically, that means device and ropz are very close statistically. Don't worry about any of that though, just say the lines. You have already completely ignored what you said once, I believe in you you can do it again.
2019-01-05 12:50
#155
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
and device went +84 1.57 1.42 vs C9 this year stat booster
2019-01-03 18:30
Cold won majors and after 2016, big events both years he got #1 while having the #1 stats (if not #1, basically always top5.) Considering the way the site seems to tally a player's stats for the whole year when presenting them with the their spot on the list, it's regardless of Online/LAN, against T1, T2. I think this will honestly be the most subjective Top 1 vs. 2 in history based on what HLTV's valuing to decide between s1 vs. device. They both won big events, admittedly Astralis won a jaw-dropping amount more, and HLTV likes to acknowledge players who win a lot of big events. Yet s1mple's raw stats over the course of the year beat device's who's in 2nd for the calendar year in all matches, and HLTV likes raw stats (regardless of whether or not you crying stat padding makes you feel differently). The main thing that's hard to figure out is how they'll weigh the value of the two titanic story lines that s1 and device have both created. S1mple's: who he made basically on his own to be considered the arguably the most mechanically skilled and dominant player despite the superteam Astralis barring him from filling his trophy case more than he'd have liked. Then there's device's with the rest of his team: I'd say the most dominant team in history for the majority of a year, who he was the star of and would without a doubt be considered the #1 this year if it wasn't for the Goliath that was s1mple in 2018. It's the first time we've seen a team establish a year as theirs, but a player not on that team simultaneously (without winning a major during said team's year) be so dominant that he stole enough of their sunshine to have his single name basically ingrained into memory right next to the Champions'. Someone is going to flip a coin and be done with it hahaha. Cheers, have a good one!
2019-01-03 19:50
half the reason device has insane numbers this year is cause astralis are winning most games easy, with teammates playing well S1mple is getting better stats while hard carrying nt
2019-01-03 20:39
nice links
2019-01-03 21:11
Device's MVPs = Astralis won events S1mple's MVPs = the most insane and well-deserved MVPs for individual performances ever.
2019-01-03 21:41
hahahahahhahahahhahahahaha s1mple vs astralis (2018) KD 1.26 +86 kills 20 maps device vs navi (2018) KD 1.12 +37 kills 20 maps
2019-01-03 21:54
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA AND 1.26 IS S1MPLE`S WORST K/D vs TEAM
2019-01-03 21:57
Agree 100%. device was going on on the top tier teams.
2019-01-03 21:58
You have it set to more maps s1mple has played, here is the real leaderboard agasint top 5 hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. Wow what a shock s1mple is just better then device.
2019-01-04 01:58
#201
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Brazil Mirekz 
no, he didn't set it to more maps than s1mple played, HLTV sets a specific amount of maps by default to prevent one tricky ponys from gettin in that rank, you're the one that lowered the amount of maps to an amount that s1mple showed up
2019-01-05 02:18
0 major
2019-01-04 02:13
#196
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Korea ItsMeNow19 
what we got when got top 20 plays? money or something?
2019-01-04 03:05
imagine thinking device is better than s1mple
2019-01-05 02:18
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