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Niko> Simple>Device
KRIMZ | 
India EosTheAlien 
Device had good team who carried him throughout Simple has shit team but still had Igl and electronic to support him Hence simple>Device Niko had nothing shit igl out of form mates and solo carry Hence, Niko>Simple>Device Change my mind with valid reason and not rating
2019-01-11 13:32
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I like your opinion :).
2019-01-11 13:33
Thanx also i forgot to mention Coldzera he is in par with simple coz he had better team than faze ;) even wid stew n tarik
2019-01-11 13:34
that is stupid ahaha
2019-01-11 15:43
coldzera should be counted out completely
2019-01-11 16:10
But S1mple carries his team harder in the whining of the year without electronic and he was getting many more frags playing aggressive and is better than Niko at every weapon in the game so Niko can’t be better
2019-01-11 16:20
How do you knos he is better at any weapon
2019-01-11 18:17
Coz he sees matches
2019-01-11 18:19
Have I convinced u yet?
2019-01-11 19:19
Yeah man it’s kinda obvious
2019-01-11 19:17
#141
shox | 
India prat_pps 
Niko > s1mple in every gun except for the awp
2019-01-20 18:55
Nah that’s bull shit everyone who nowa anything about csgo will disagree S1mple is GOAT of cs go
2019-01-20 19:24
#148
shox | 
India prat_pps 
I never said anything about niko being the better player now did I? Yes s1mple is the better player but in terms of mechanics Niko is above s1mple but s1mple outclasses him in the awp
2019-01-20 19:27
So S1mple being the best player to ever play ca go is worst in every weapon apart from the awp then Niko???? When Niko is not even top 10 cs go players ever???? Ur logic is off like a mother fucker Did all that shit smell mess your head?
2019-01-20 19:52
#180
shox | 
India prat_pps 
dude first off , RIP English. Second , I never said s1mple is bad I simply said Niko is better . That being said s1mple is the better player :better game sense , better overall structure than Niko. Next Niko is always in contention for being one of the greatest players to touch csgo and that is a fact. " Ur logic is off like a mother f@$ker" XD what even .
2019-01-21 18:16
Niko is not better than S1mple and Niko is not top 5 ever I can name 10 players who you could easily make an argument for that are better than Niko
2019-01-21 18:30
#183
shox | 
India prat_pps 
Dude you're just delusional sleep on it. Maybe you'll know why Niko was always know to be one of the greatest players to touch the game
2019-01-22 09:18
Is he better than KennyS Shox Olofmeister S1mple Coldzera Krimz Snax Get Right Guardian When they where at their primes????
2019-01-22 16:58
#188
shox | 
India prat_pps 
yes !Snax lul krimz lul and idk how you cant recognize Niko is the most mechanically gifted player of any era ever in the history of csgo and is and always will be in the race for GOAT of csgo. what bothers you so much about this prodigy . No-one fails to recognize it except you.
2019-01-22 17:15
I don’t think he is top 10 ever And I don’t think he is any where near the level of S1mple wo is the best player with pretty much every weapon in the game and is as mechanically gifted can pla any role and is a carry S1mple is GOAT of cs go
2019-01-22 17:18
#191
shox | 
India prat_pps 
ahhh it's like I'm arguing with a libtard on abortion. s1mple and I already said it is arguably the best player to touch the game and rightfully so . He has some of the best game sense and aim , amazing mid-round player ,can clutch like a God , he can entry and he can awp like a god too. He is the better player .That being said Niko is the more mechanically gifted player . he's better with rifles and has pin point aim with pistols and don't even get started on his deagle. S1mple is the complete package while Niko is the better aimer. While Niko can awp super good S1mple outclasses him on it but that's about it. And on the topic of whether Niko is a top 10 player . like DUhhhh!!!! yess how is that even an argument.
2019-01-22 17:39
But man have u seen some of S1mples clips I’m not saying Niko doesn’t have good mechanics but cmon look at S1mples one taps and spray it’s insane and S1mples Seattle is better than Niko snow as Niko doesn’t find success with it despite Faze force buying a lot
2019-01-22 22:56
he is not better than niko with the AK and USP... that's 100% sure
2019-01-20 19:14
#149
shox | 
India prat_pps 
deagle too
2019-01-20 19:27
Yeah he is
2019-01-20 19:50
he is not
2019-01-21 09:29
Yes he is
2019-01-21 18:28
#192
shox | 
India prat_pps 
you can't make sense with this kid dude
2019-01-22 17:40
Man it’s like I’m debating with someone who has never seen S1mples stream or him go god mode look at some his highlight deals Niko is amazing S1mple is astronomically superior in every aspect because he is just that crazy
2019-01-22 22:57
#99
broky | 
Brazil NoBaaang 
coldzera is the most consistent player since he joined the brazilian core. You say that he baits, I say that he plays counter-strike on the right way.. Even s1mple baits sometimes.
2019-01-11 17:58
Me > device>niko>simple
2019-01-11 13:34
Nope /Closed
2019-01-11 13:34
#91
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Bangladesh drvken 
why
2019-01-11 16:49
Lool at his comment
2019-01-11 16:53
#94
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Bangladesh drvken 
look you mrUkraine=s1mple who is simple?? i have no idea
2019-01-11 16:55
True
2019-01-11 17:49
#109
NiKo | 
Finland FocusMen 
n1
2019-01-11 18:25
Trrrrrrrh
2019-01-11 18:26
#112
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Bangladesh drvken 
trrrrrrrh =l o X endstream endobj 78 0 obj 19 endobj 79
2019-01-11 18:27
Trrrh is the sound i made by vibrating my tongue ;)
2019-01-11 18:28
#114
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Bangladesh drvken 
hahahah k
2019-01-11 19:10
xD
2019-01-20 18:53
Bangladesh on the internet? Never thought I’d see this day come. How is it, having your air polluted to the point when your blood is even dirtier than your rivers?
2019-01-20 18:39
#139
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Bangladesh drvken 
i have no idea what r u talking about. my country is pretty clean
2019-01-20 18:54
NiKo also has to ‘compete’ with the likes of olofmeister, Guardian and rain for these amazing stats.
2019-01-11 13:34
Yea but no one supported the faze solo carry god
2019-01-11 13:35
I'm thinking about eleague major, iem sydney,etc events that he didn't carry
2019-01-11 15:44
#92
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Such a flawed argument.
2019-01-11 16:53
#129
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United Kingdom fal36 
hes got a higher rating on faze than when he was on mouz so nt
2019-01-20 18:30
#137
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United States Jamila 
This argument would make sense if faze was winning everything but the fact that they're not means there's not exactly a shortage of frags to get
2019-01-20 18:44
Yeah, but I think s1mple subjectively is a better player, and FaZe didn't really do much.
2019-01-11 13:35
That's why niko is so important coz he carried em alone like a lone warrior
2019-01-11 13:35
Guardian is good too, Faze is a buy team if they can't make it work then it's their fault it doesn't make Niko better
2019-01-11 15:40
Niko is same as simple insane wid rifles and awp Also carrying their teams
2019-01-11 15:40
#35
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United Kingdom Bern1e 
simple is a better awper, niko is probably a better rifler. but niko makes a lot of stupid decisions
2019-01-11 15:43
#110
NiKo | 
Finland FocusMen 
Wtf u talkin bout stupid mistakwrs
2019-01-11 18:26
#120
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United Kingdom Bern1e 
he dies alot with the bomb. when going in second
2019-01-13 15:47
#124
NiKo | 
Finland FocusMen 
Hmm...
2019-01-14 11:17
#125
NiKo | 
Finland FocusMen 
So dying is a stupid mistake?
2019-01-14 11:18
Yea ofc but faze is supposedly a står team lot can step up, and even if he carry he didn't achieve a lot by it
2019-01-11 15:43
That's problem when a lot is expected of team they fail hard Everyone keep saying star team and expect too much
2019-01-11 15:52
Well that's their own fault by only signing stars
2019-01-11 15:54
Their rifle ability may be close, but NiKo is nowhere near the planet of S1mple as an awper. S1mple is also much better at there game overall. Yes, NiKo and Cold are insane players in their own right, but theres a sizeable gap in skill between S1mple and any other player rn.
2019-01-11 18:20
Cool good explanation
2019-01-11 18:22
s1mple has literal bots on his team 3 of the players on his team have a sub 1.0 rating and was actually solo carrying for the first quarter of this year. zeus is a way worse igl than karrigan (karrigan is an insane igl and when he gets to optic and makes them a top 5 team from top 20 yall will know whats up) niko is in a team with olof guradian rain and an amazing igl - and somehow they are in the same position as nikosports who had denis and spidi yet faze are complete dogshit) niko's ego has proven to be so toxic that even previously god like players wither away in the presence of it
2019-01-20 19:54
actually faze won as much events as navi but faze won only top tier events: iem sydney, esl one BH, epicenter
2019-01-11 15:48
I don't think that FaZe or Navi did nearly as much as Astralis (two of the events FaZe won were sans Astralis), so dev1ce>NiKo. However, I think s1mple had such a high rating and consistency, that s1mple>dev1ce.
2019-01-11 16:19
but i'm not saying did much. It was a reply to the comment...
2019-01-11 16:28
#175
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Russia anime_is_gay 
dev1ce > niko is a joke
2019-01-21 12:24
Cold top1 then He literally was playing alone , 1v5
2019-01-11 13:35
Nope he had alll good players like fallen best igl possible for em Fer Stew what more does he need
2019-01-11 13:36
Bored bump
2019-01-11 15:27
Lol
2019-01-11 16:11
Xd
2019-01-11 16:12
#12
Frankie | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
Niko has Guardian and rain LOL
2019-01-11 15:28
And both were out of shape guardian better but rain was shit
2019-01-11 15:36
You do realize it's hard for you to have amazing stats when you have good teammates? anyways s1mple > NiKo > device
2019-01-11 15:39
That's true actually.
2019-01-11 16:18
+1
2019-01-11 16:19
#131
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United Kingdom fal36 
never been true niko is better on faze than he was on mouz
2019-01-20 18:31
Yes cause niko wasnt as good in mouz lol
2019-01-20 18:55
#143
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United Kingdom fal36 
because his team was shit in 2016 he has the highest impact and adr of any player in the top 20 but he was still only ranked 11th cus his team didnt perform and it negatively impacted his rating other examples are coldzera and device as their teams get better their stats get better
2019-01-20 18:58
Were talking about stats not hltv ranking NiKo wasnt as good of a player in mouz > other examples are coldzera and device as their teams get better their stats get better Yes but none of them are close to niko in terms of raw skill and talent
2019-01-20 19:07
#145
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United Kingdom fal36 
You do realize it's hard for you to have amazing stats when you have good teammates? anyways s1mple > NiKo > device the idea that it is easier to have amazing stats when you have bad teammates is so flawed just give one example of a player who has gotten better because o their team becoming worse why does raw skill and talent even matter how can you measure their raw skill and talent? any player than can be top 1 2 years in a row or in the top 20 5 years in a row is insanely talented
2019-01-20 19:12
Look at fucking s1mple Ofc u can see skil Cold and device are skilled but not like s1mple and niko
2019-01-20 19:36
#151
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United Kingdom fal36 
It doesnt matter how skilled a player is if their team is worse then their stas will be worse and if their team improves their stats will improve
2019-01-20 19:39
Its not bout the team performance Its about the fragging power of ur teamm8s
2019-01-21 00:57
#14
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Brazil cadik 
stopped reading at S2mple>Device
2019-01-11 15:37
Botvice fan
2019-01-11 15:38
#53
Sakura | 
Japan Ron1E 
He is brazilian and anime fan, what you expect?
2019-01-11 15:55
Gotcha but i like anime too
2019-01-11 15:56
#61
Sakura | 
Japan Ron1E 
But still you're not brazilian :)
2019-01-11 16:00
Ok
2019-01-11 16:04
#95
smooya | 
United Kingdom NATOJ 
Indian is worse
2019-01-11 17:45
#15
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
Let's not forget who shit the bed in the Boston Major Final :>
2019-01-11 15:38
Lol c9 is not even in scene not a single member relevant nowadays
2019-01-11 15:39
#34
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
Not going to deny that. I'd still put him above Device but I think him and S1mple are equal.
2019-01-11 15:43
Agreed
2019-01-11 15:52
1 choke doesnt mean shit look i aint saying NiKo > s1mple but NiKo certainly > device
2019-01-11 15:40
Obviously+1 Device won't be in top 5 next year for sure he is relevant coz of his team And simple and cold and niko wipl always be in top
2019-01-11 15:42
NiKo needa get his ass on practicing faze in general
2019-01-11 15:43
Right they take too mamy breaks/holodays
2019-01-11 15:53
"Device won't be in top 5 next year for sure he is relevant coz of his team" Thanks for the laugh Check the past hltv ranking, I'll help you since you're new
2019-01-11 15:52
U ll see it bro the coming year any other astralis player might be but not botvice shit doesn't happen again n again
2019-01-11 15:53
Want to bet? Do you have any balls? Not even top5, but top3 ATLEAST wanna bet real money?
2019-01-11 16:00
#40
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
Oh absolutely. Simple and Niko are insane. Device is very good, but Astralis lifts him into top 3.
2019-01-11 15:44
yeah imo no one is close to s1mple this year anyways NiKo would've been close if he didnt choke in the major and if faze won smth xD
2019-01-11 15:45
#43
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
Faze still won three events, but that major still hurts man. Regardless, S1mple is clearly above the rest. Niko needs to stop being an ass, they need to find an IGL and work on something. Firepower alone is not going to bring in trophies.
2019-01-11 15:52
+1 but theres no igl that can fit them though like theres no one on karrigan's level minus karrigan 's choking
2019-01-11 15:53
#57
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
Karrigan broke down after the major. Some of his teammates stopped believing in him so that didn't help either. Finding an IGL is going to be hard, wouldn't surprise me if Niko stays IGL (maybe they'll experiment during the IBP thing, who knows?)
2019-01-11 15:56
NiKo as an IGL could work if he doesn't mind as much pressure and works a little bit hopefully they can do somehting with adren
2019-01-11 15:59
#63
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
I don't doubt that it could work, the strats and mid-rounds are what scares me. YNK isn't a very experienced coach so I don't know how much he can help him. AdreN was a weird pickup, excited to see what he can do!
2019-01-11 16:01
I think adren shud igl coz that can free niko to only rifle role or whatever he wanna do wid olof
2019-01-11 16:03
ye dont forget NiKo and YNK have played together and speak almost the same language so they have good chemistry and ynk could help niko a lot
2019-01-11 16:03
#69
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
Hopefully! I just want my boy GuardiaN to win a major :)
2019-01-11 16:05
guardian would eat the trophy so fast
2019-01-11 16:07
#71
SPUNJ | 
Netherlands Wazaguy 
Probably. But I'd enjoy every second of it.
2019-01-11 16:09
uwu ;) ;')
2019-01-11 16:11
Niko better than Simple? In what World? Lol Niko is good sure but not better than simple
2019-01-11 15:38
Device fan might have a partial opinion
2019-01-11 15:39
Oh no I agree simple is better than device lol, never said i disagreed there, but Niko ain't better, unless you can Find stats? If he carrier then he carried worse than simple who achieved a lot more
2019-01-11 15:42
Niko is a bigger choker but they both got similar skills good rifles good presence of. Mind and awps too
2019-01-11 15:54
Niko fans are mentally ill, theres no point in trying to change your mind, just remember to take your pills
2019-01-11 15:39
Ok ty for proving my point by giving no valid point to disprove my point
2019-01-11 15:39
This choker is even lucky to be 3rd hltv.org/matches/2326424/astralis-vs-faz..
2019-01-11 15:43
Of he choked he didn't deserve top 5 his team fails him Can't blame him
2019-01-11 15:55
moving the goalpost? You said he carried faze alone, he didn't do shit, guardian was their best player, just watch Boston and Sidney then guardian (and rain) fell off and niko wasn't able to carry them. Stop trying to force him in simple and device discussions for top1
2019-01-11 15:58
s1mple is better sorry your reasoning sucks so mine should too
2019-01-11 15:40
Ok
2019-01-11 15:41
#27
OK | 
Brunei ok_boomer 
NiKo > Everyone Else
2019-01-11 15:40
+1
2019-01-11 15:41
Nah man. s1mple has been doing better than NiKo this year as a player, device is gonna be #2 probably and NiKo #3 even though NiKo is a better player than device.
2019-01-11 15:42
Ikr but that's due to multiple chokes of faze but talentwise they r similar wid rifle n awp
2019-01-11 15:55
awp not really but imo riffle niko's better and pistol theyre tied
2019-01-11 15:56
#58
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Canada Surzz 
dumbass
2019-01-11 15:58
Ok Justin ty for ur valuable comment
2019-01-11 16:03
nt niko got his cousin cromen.
2019-01-11 16:04
Ok
2019-01-11 16:12
don't ok me. niko top1 but cromen is the cousin of niko.
2019-01-11 16:13
#72
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
AWP : s1mple > device > NiKo Rifles : s1mple > NiKo > device Pistols : s1mple > NiKo > device Game sense : s1mple > NiKo > device /close
2019-01-11 16:10
Ez for headshot King
2019-01-11 16:12
#162
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
Thank~3
2019-01-20 20:53
turk mind
2019-01-11 16:13
+1
2019-01-11 18:23
#163
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
Thanks you my friend
2019-01-20 20:53
Rifles??
2019-01-20 20:37
#79
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Ukraine Gunsor 
s1mple > niko > device
2019-01-11 16:13
you are saying like all 3 of them had same rating and same achievements by the end of the year. but they didnt so what's your point? also niko is fkin alcoholic, pure talent 0 hard work
2019-01-11 16:15
#83
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Russia Vad97oRRR 
tabsen>Niko
2019-01-11 16:15
Bug error 404
2019-01-11 16:44
#100
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Russia Vad97oRRR 
stfu
2019-01-11 18:16
Triggered?
2019-01-11 18:17
#104
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Russia Vad97oRRR 
no, you're just stupid.
2019-01-11 18:20
No u r probably triggered hard
2019-01-11 18:21
#84
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Romania Iosif 
Sorry but not true, s1mple is better than NiKo.... I agree device is 3rd ik ik, flair doesn't check out, but that is the truth
2019-01-11 16:17
Still think niko has lot to give Simple has one of most established igl Karrigan is gr8 but seems to choke so Niko needs good team as well
2019-01-13 15:49
#96
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Denmark FazeUpAssDown 
FazeUp
2019-01-11 17:47
device = teamplayer simple = best skilled player however baits and pads his stats, literally plays for pressing TAB. niko = sometimes good. CS = team game therefore device number 1 atm, dupreeh this year > simple > niko.
2019-01-11 17:54
#119
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Belgium i_am_alexa 
plays for pressing tab but when he was winning because of Zeus inferno against Astralis and wasn't even doing great, he was in a way better mood than when winning MVP with 1.54 rating at Marseille. Saying s1mple plays for his stats LMAO he prefers winning with meh stats 100 times more than losing with good stats btw HLTV said they rely on individual performance and not so much on the team, of course the results count but "being a good IGL/teammate" doesn't.
2019-01-11 19:22
I would consider Niko and simple on the same level. Device has a good team but I don't really think he's as skilled as both
2019-01-11 19:14
That's what we been saying but danes never understand
2019-01-13 15:48
s1>>>Niko
2019-01-14 11:20
#118
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Belgium i_am_alexa 
I think NiKo is less consistent but for sure the top of HTLV should be something like 1. s1mple 2. NiKo 3. maybe device the rest device without his good team wouldn't even make top 10
2019-01-11 19:20
Yep agreed
2019-01-13 15:48
Niko's peak os better but s1 is more consistent
2019-01-20 20:38
out of form mates guardian #11 Rain #18
2019-01-14 11:19
Ok
2019-01-20 18:27
#130
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Japan rrtyui 
Scream rekt S1mple 1v1, only player who managed to beat him, thus Scream>Whoever
2019-01-20 18:30
#156
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Belarus Strife732 
When Scream rekt S1mple?
2019-01-20 20:01
NiKo is definitely better than Dev1ce, but S1mple is in his own dimension.
2019-01-20 18:32
+1 NiKooooo (L)
2019-01-20 18:35
#135
NiKo | 
Europe trey_ 
+1111111111 nik0k0k0k0k0k0 top1
2019-01-20 18:41
S1mple > Niko > Electronic > Device /close
2019-01-20 18:41
Device wasnt carried by astralis , they all played good and it wasnt a bad player in astralis, but device was the most consistent of all players and i think he deserves no 1
2019-01-20 18:45
no
2019-01-20 19:58
can't change your mind dude, corecct in my opinion
2019-01-20 20:33
NiKo get rekt by Freakazoid i hope you already changed your mind
2019-01-21 01:01
Yes one round kill and freakzoid is better gg
2019-01-21 04:06
one round kill? TWO MAPS LMAO
2019-01-21 10:49
Ghost defeated faze not Freakzoid he is just overated buff guy who plays MM
2019-01-21 12:13
exactly, Freakzoid plays MMs mostly and he still can compete with FaZe. It shows how bad is FaZe and ALL THEY PLAYERS. NiKo should win this match only by himself like ZyWoo or S1mple but he did nothing TWO TIMES IN A ROW lol
2019-01-21 12:21
Ok
2019-01-21 14:18
#169
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Brunei GucciLeIe 
But NiKo is horrible as an IGL.... He's literally only caring about his stats
2019-01-21 10:53
+1
2019-01-21 12:13
#172
mir | 
Switzerland Figurato 
0/8
2019-01-21 12:14
It's easier for Niko in that regard since he can , as an IGL , set himself up for the frags which means he shines more than other , but his skill is without a doubt top 2...
2019-01-21 12:15
s1mplul=dev1ce=n1ko<t4co because t4co plays it right way and lets baitzera bait
2019-01-21 12:36
Ok first before we get into it What do you mean in "Device had good team who carried him throughout" He literally put numbers in every tournament this year except Boston major without effort of every memner of Astralis they would've never get this INSANE run in 2018 you can't just compare it like that Cs isn't just a game where players with better aim always win. If that was the case FaZe should've dominated like Astralis. This team costed FaZe millions of $ and for me their results are just a shame. If we compare s1mple, dev1ce and NiKo who is most skilled mechanically there is no winner. It's too hard to compare it, and if it was opinion based, well everyone has their own opinion. I guess most players will say s1mple or NiKo. We can compare them in many different ways. First of all they play different roles. s1mple is awper/riffler if needed, NiKo is riffler/secondary awper and dev1ce is awper. So if we compare who is better sniper then NiKo has no chance with the boys who constaltly play with awp. If we compare HS ratio then devve and simple have less chance because who normal goes for HS with one shot one kill weapon? Ratings are based on K/D's and other things. But there is one thing that randomizes it all. Positions where players hold on CT or from which side they attack a site on T. For example If a player A holds B Train and T's decide to go 15 times A, how can this player hit insane amounts of kills? If then they switch for T side and in one round this star player has nades and noone except him does, then which IGL will call him to go for entry? He will call him to play supportive and help the boys frag in that round, soo again he's got less chances to show. Another thing that I want to put in is how different teams play for example Astralis plays tactically, they love to play mindgames with enemies, their players have often almost the same amount of frags. FaZe relies on stars that they got on board, and NaVi relies hardly on simple and electronic So for me if we want to compare which player is better we need to look which player gives more to the TEAM for me HLTV ranking is in that way accurate S1mple showed that he can hard carry, and play many different roles, which helped NaVi to succeed by making them top2 team of 2018 device put less numbers but he was consistent which made him best CT player of the year and helped Astralis a lot in their insane run NiKo had numbers on his side but his team still lacked trophies and i need to put this just for memes youtu.be/BUG1UBtNkq4
2019-01-21 14:54
niko's playing with #1, #2, #4. yes the problem is the igl that's obvious...
2019-01-21 14:54
Yep
2019-01-22 09:24
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choko ghe lavdya. i disagree
2019-01-22 09:21
Lul
2019-01-22 09:23
Niko has a "dream team" of players who were the best in their old teams when they left. S1mple not.
2019-01-22 17:20
s1mple>coldzera>NiKo>dev1ce
2019-01-22 22:59
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