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Top 5 players at their peak
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Switzerland meme_jesus 
1. s1mple 2018 2. olof 2015 3. coldzera 2017 4. GeT_RiGhT 2013 5. flusha 2014
2019-01-11 15:49
how is kennyS pre AWP nerf not in there?
2019-01-11 15:52
He had a lot of insane and flashy plays but his consistency and rating is worse than any of the players in this list in their mentioned year.
2019-01-11 15:53
because he actually entried with the awp unlike s0mple
2019-01-11 15:55
His 2014 rating is actually a lot higher than what olof and flusha ever reached. He was very consistent at the time, have you actually watched him?
2019-01-11 15:58
I have actually watched him but his rating is not higher than flusha's and olof in their prime, go and check it yourself. Im not saying he wasnt consistent (not sure if you can read), but his consistency wasnt at the level of these players in their prime.
2019-01-11 16:00
"his rating is not higher than flusha's and olof in their prime" hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7167/kenn.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7167/kenn.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7167/kenn.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7167/kenn.. "He was very consistent at the time" > "Im not saying he wasnt consistent (not sure if you can read)" Where did what I say imply that you said he wasn't consistent? You seem to have a very poor comprehension of the English language. I'm telling you he was VERY consistent.
2019-01-11 16:07
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7167/kenn.. This is the proper way to check ratings, so you do not include online matches but only the important events. And again, i know he was CONSISTENT, but not enough to make it to the top5. And don't even worry about my English, as I highly doubt your English is any better than mine. I would say my comprehension of the English language is far from being poor.
2019-01-11 16:12
"Based on 6 maps" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
2019-01-11 16:12
That should be enough to tell you who had a better year and kept his consistency all the way through. While kennys was destroying the weaker opposition at small LANs, olof was killing it at big events. that's why quite easily olof in his prime > kenny in his prime
2019-01-11 16:14
You do realize that we're talking about literally 6 maps? 6 maps are enough to tell who had a better year? I guess you're just a troll.
2019-01-11 16:17
Lmao, if you think kenny in 2014 was better than olof in 2015 you are just crazy. Olof played 110 more maps on LANs in 2015 than kenny in 2014. He also has 60 more maps played at big events in 2015 than kenny in 2014. If he only had as many maps played as kenny in said years, his rating would be probably MUCH higher as its harder to retain high rating throughout more maps played.
2019-01-11 16:22
In 5 posts you're yet to come up with anything else than bullshit or straight up lies. I won't even mention the fact that kennyS was solo carrying an average team when olof was not even much better than the rest of his teammates. He still deserves to be on the list, most likely at the 5th place, but flusha definitely doesn't and there shouldn't even be a debate about that. I won't reply anymore unless you can come up with actual arguments. cya
2019-01-11 16:35
Actually, flusha was top2 in 2014 while kenny was only top6, so that should tell you that theres more to the stats than just the fucking rating. All of the players I mentioned were simply better in their primes than kennys was, based on stats. cya, dont bother replying if you dont know anything and just watch highlights on youtube lmao
2019-01-11 16:38
#67
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United States Jammin800k 
KennyS in 2014 at LAN 73 maps 1.27 rating. .86 kpr .45 AWP kpr 1.35 impact All of those stats are top 5 in a single LAN year Flusha in 2014 at LAN: 104 maps 1.19 rating .8 kpr 1.2 impact None of those are top 5 in a year at LAN
2019-01-11 16:55
And still kennys didnt make the top 5 in 2014. Im done here now, if you still think kenny > flusha than check this out hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. You can argue with hltv, just dont reply to me ever again gosh, this shit is exhausting.
2019-01-11 16:56
#69
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United States Jammin800k 
Are you arguing which player had a better year or which player had a better peak performance? Kenny performed better Flusha was more successful Just like this year Niko statistically > device But Device had the better year due to being on a better team
2019-01-11 16:58
2019-01-11 16:57
#72
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm not going to go there because that would be a different argument
2019-01-11 16:58
Then dont, just dont argue with me. Maybe pm tgwri1s on why flusha was higher than kennys that year. But if we wanna know who was better than just click here hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. hope you done replying to me now
2019-01-11 17:00
#85
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United States Jammin800k 
I know why flusha was higher, has nothing to do with peak performance, has to do with being around better players. Kenny peak > flusha peak
2019-01-11 17:06
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him
2019-01-11 17:49
#99
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United States Jammin800k 
Didnt read
2019-01-11 18:54
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him
2019-01-11 19:17
#103
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United States Jammin800k 
Didn't read
2019-01-11 21:10
#49
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United Kingdom Lcheste3 
Frog
2019-01-11 16:39
#47
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Romania hiei59 
EXACTLY, kenny played ONLY 6 maps at big events in that year. How can you compare him with a player that's playing only against the best opposition?
2019-01-11 16:37
#50
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United States Jammin800k 
Because big events were ONLY majors in 2014. ESEA LAN wasnt counted gfinity faceit starladder. All events that are considered big events now and have elite competition and were exactly the same back then just because their prize pool (due to it being much earlier in CS history when less money was in the scene) were not as big.
2019-01-11 16:39
kenny vs olof excluding online matches hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7167/kenn.. kenny vs flusha at big events (far more important than just LANs) hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7167/kenn..
2019-01-11 16:15
#25
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United States Jammin800k 
Big Events in 2014 were literally ONLY the majors. Your excluding every ESEA Faceit Starladder and Gfinity tournament. Kenny only has 6 maps, irrelevant link. I already did it excluding online matches. All the players are under "LAN" and you can clearly see Kenny had the higher peak statistically
2019-01-11 16:15
Flusha having more maps at majors and still retaining a better rating than kennys with 6 maps means a lot. And while kennys has better rating at LANs, flusha still played 30% more maps on LAN and retained such a high rating. So that should be enough to tell who had the better year.
2019-01-11 16:18
#32
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United States Jammin800k 
So your logic is that if Kenny had played 30% more maps his stats would be worse than flushas?
2019-01-11 16:26
Obviously, as its harder to retain a good rating with more maps played. Its not my logic, its usually how it works. If he had only 1 map played and he had a good game with 1.50 rating, than that would be his rating for the year. But as you play more games you also have more bad games and more average ones that usually lower your rating. It doesnt only apply to csgo, its like that overall.
2019-01-11 16:28
#38
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United States Jammin800k 
It's how it can work but 75 maps is a more than relevant sample size that's well over a map per week vs other top 20 teams.
2019-01-11 16:30
#43
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United States Jammin800k 
You do realize it can also be the other way around too right? I can star with a .35 rating after a map and have a 1.25 rating after 100. If you can argue that "with more maps it could go down" you can just as easily argue "with more maps it could go up" The only debate should be whether the sample size is relevant which it definitely is. Flusha might get a few extra points for having more maps but it's no where close enough to make up for the statistical differences between the two in terms of peak performance.
2019-01-11 16:40
You dont understand. Lets say you have 1.30 rating throughout 50 maps. Its much harder to get it higher since you would have to average 1.30+ rating since those 50 maps played to achieve a higher rating at the end of the year. But, its much easier for the rating to drop since its not easy to average 1.30+ rating since those 50 maps played. My bad, the sample size of 1 map played was a bad example.
2019-01-11 16:42
#62
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United States Jammin800k 
Obviously I get that. The point is that by 73 maps (the number of LAN maps Kenny had in 2014) the sample size is more than relevant enough for him to compare. I literally explained that in the previous comment #38. Either you arent reading my comments fully or have poor reading comprehension
2019-01-11 16:48
My reading comprehension is alright, but still 30% more maps played plays into flusha's advantage that year. As I said before, theres a reason he was higher in hltv top20 than kennys.
2019-01-11 16:50
#75
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah because he was on a better team. Peak performance Kenny > flusha Better year Flusha > Kenny You're arguing 2 different things
2019-01-11 17:00
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him
2019-01-11 17:00
#78
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United States Jammin800k 
Ah the classic "I'll pass the argument off because I have none left" Thanks for conceding the argument. Any farther replies will be seen as bait.
2019-01-11 17:02
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him I wont read anything from you now on, as you are clearly baiting.
2019-01-11 17:02
#80
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United States Jammin800k 
0/8
2019-01-11 17:03
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him
2019-01-11 17:03
#83
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United States Jammin800k 
-8/8
2019-01-11 17:04
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him
2019-01-11 17:05
#86
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United States Jammin800k 
-16/8
2019-01-11 17:07
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him
2019-01-11 17:48
#98
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United States Jammin800k 
-24/8
2019-01-11 18:53
hltv.org/news/13903/top-20-players-of-20.. didnt read, go argue here or pm tgwri1s and argue with him
2019-01-11 19:17
#104
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United States Jammin800k 
-32/8
2019-01-11 21:10
#35
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United States Jammin800k 
Lmao i just realize how silly that first part is Flusha having more maps at majors and still retaining a better rating than kennys with 6 maps means a lot. Kenny was on a much worse team. Flusha was on a top 2 team. Kenny's top fragged 5 of the 6 maps at majors. Kenny's didnt get a chance to show everything he can do because his team was trash and went out in groups. A sample size of 6 maps is no where near enough to determine if the player was effective and big events in 2014 werent really a thing as I explained so that link proves nothing.
2019-01-11 16:29
But if he didnt have no where near enough maps played at big events in 2014 why even try to compare him to someone who did? He is a honorable mention, not top 5 tho.
2019-01-11 16:30
#39
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United States Jammin800k 
Because his performances vs the same teams were still better and his team held him back?
2019-01-11 16:31
Duh. Theres also a reason flusha was top 2 in 2014 and kennys was top 6. Rating is not everything, there is much more stats to look into and more maps played play a bigger role.
2019-01-11 16:33
#46
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah the reason was because flusha had a better team around him (literally had the #1 player). Individually KennyS peak is higher than flusha. Flusha was able to achieve more by performing worse than Kenny due to having better players around him.
2019-01-11 16:37
Flusha had a lot of talent around him so that was also limiting how far he could go with his rating. If he had weak teammates that wouldnt frag as much like kenny had, his rating would definitely be higher. You just cant compare it like this. Flusha was just simply better, its not only me thinking this, but hltv itself as well.
2019-01-11 16:40
#59
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United States Jammin800k 
No flusha had a much better team around him that allowed him to face more ecos (increases ease of kills and rating) win more (winning rounds increases rating). By your logic flusha was literally maxed out and getting every kill he possibly could and couldn't have played and better because he has a good team around him. So flusha never missed any shots, lost any clutches and played perfectly during the time he was #2 ranked? Obviously not. If flusha could have gotten more kills he would have, fnatic didnt win every series and certainly not every map or round so the idea that flusha was limited by his team is moronic. Also check out the impact ratings in the comparisons, Kenny was getting entries, multi kills and clutches that's why his impact is so high while flusha had great players in every role and never had to entry. "If he had weak teammates he would frag more" Really? Is that what happened when olof left
2019-01-11 16:46
#77
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United Kingdom jMz86 
Yes..........the fact that fnatic were a better team and got further into tournaments, therefore flusha had more personal awards than kennys (which we have seen is a big factor in the top20 players)... but on pure individual performance alone, it's been pretty largely accepted that in 2014 kennys was #1. He was well regarded as the number 1 awper and pro's definitely did not like playing against him.
2019-01-11 17:01
#92
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Ukraine mple 
against t5
2019-01-11 17:27
You said prime not consistentcy
2019-01-11 16:43
I obviously mean consistency throughout their prime year. That matters.
2019-01-11 16:44
No if we are just talking about there peak it doesn’t and even if we are kennyS prime was greater then everybodies except maybe s1mple
2019-01-11 16:46
But whats your fucking sample size of their prime time? 1 month? 1 game? 1 week? We're talking about their prime year so it at least makes some sense.
2019-01-11 16:47
Prime- a state or time of greatest strength, vigor, or success in a person's life.
2019-01-11 16:52
So you cant really compare different primes than as everyone's prime length is different obviously. Thats why I'm comparing their prime years, so it at least makes some sense.
2019-01-11 16:53
Or you can compare when someone was at there absolute best and just forget time periods
2019-01-11 22:51
how is jw pre awp nerf not here.
2019-01-11 16:11
Flag checks out
2019-01-11 16:36
#2
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United States Jamila 
coldzera spent a year at the level that olof was at for 4 months in 2015 give him his respect
2019-01-11 15:52
Bad opening kill rating - Check Bad impact rating compared to his K/D - Check Had a full team around him and a personal meat shield - Check
2019-01-11 15:54
expected from communist brain, peak isn't statics in the year, is the most highest ratio in a month and cold gets 1.36 and olof 1.32
2019-01-11 16:11
2 different playstyles and olofmeister did open up rounds a lot with entryfrags and did not have his team play around him like LG/SK/MIBR does for coldzera
2019-01-11 16:25
No kennys pre awp nerf?
2019-01-11 15:53
#4
2019-01-11 15:53
s1mple is s1mply GOAT
2019-01-11 15:55
s1mple only good at saving awp and exit fragging. Don’t compare him to these players gtr 2012/13 Kennys kqly era Olof 2015 god Shox 2013/14 These are by far the most dominant
2019-01-11 15:55
Shox and kenny are honorable mentions but they didnt make the top 5 unfortunately, beacuse of their rating and consistency compared to the others. And there was basically no scene in 2012 csgo, so his 2013 year > 2012 year.
2019-01-11 15:57
Lmao get right is just like cold baiting his teammates
2019-01-11 15:57
yeah but he was winning the majority of rounds happy baiting was working too in early ldlc days with nbk and co Nowadays they can’t win rounds and just play for HLTV mvps
2019-01-11 15:58
#18
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United States Jammin800k 
0/8
2019-01-11 16:09
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9216/cold.. peak from cold is in 2016 and is higher than olof peak
2019-01-11 16:07
I’m not sure we are seeing the same thing.
2019-01-11 16:17
????????????????????????????????????? u wot?
2019-01-11 16:29
No, cold's peak is in 2017.
2019-01-11 16:29
#52
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United Kingdom Lcheste3 
Might be showing all maps, the OP means at Big Events so small LANs and online matches are not included
2019-01-11 16:40
#29
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Croatia mds818 
Time to laugh at all those cold>olaf comments
2019-01-11 16:21
#41
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Brazil Serpico 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9216/cold.. Cold 2017 stats > Olof 2015 stats Add to that that 2017 was probably the most competitive year at CS, with Astralis, SK and Faze contending every tournament with no clear favourites between the 3.
2019-01-11 16:34
#45
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Croatia mds818 
cold has 0.02 better ratings than olof and yet olof has 2x higher opening kills(because he's not a baiting b****) and 2017(or any other year) is "more competitive" than any other year is bullshit
2019-01-11 16:36
#54
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United Kingdom Lcheste3 
Is that for all matches or only Big Events? Only Big Events is the better way of finding a player’s true rating.
2019-01-11 16:41
#97
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Brazil Serpico 
Big events only.
2019-01-11 17:51
While cold had 0.02 better rating that olof in his prime, he still had 0.06 impact rating less. That says something it starts with b and ends with aiter
2019-01-11 16:57
olof 2015 s1mple 2018 kenny 2014 shox 2013-2014 5th idk.. cold doesnt really deserve it because baiter and gtr was playing vs bots at that time.. maybe niko in form, he can do wonders when he's feeling it
2019-01-11 16:40
s1mple 2018 > olof 2015 hltv.org/stats/players/compare/885/olofm.. Just look at the difference here, 100 more maps played for s1mple and still 0.10 higher rating than olof in 2015.
2019-01-11 16:46
maybe, my list is not by order
2019-01-11 16:58
#66
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France ManuelFerrara 
1-2 =olof 2015/kennyS 2014 3= s1mple 2018 4= shox 2013/2014 5= GTR 2013 imo
2019-01-11 16:54
s1mple 2018 > olof 2015 hltv.org/stats/players/compare/885/olofm.. Just look at the difference here, 100 more maps played for s1mple and still 0.10 higher rating than olof in 2015. Kennys is not even in the debate with s1mple and olof, 0/8.
2019-01-11 17:04
#88
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France ManuelFerrara 
yes but csgo 2015 =/= csgo 2018, everyone knows it, its like comparing pele vs messi, plus s1mple is a "baiter", Na'Vi is 100% relying on him, whereas it wasn't the case with olof, its easy to put up better stats that way, but I can agree that maybe s1mple > olof at their peak, still s1mple hasn't won any majors this year
2019-01-11 17:18
#94
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Ukraine mple 
Actually this era of CS has been considerably more competitive compared to 2015, especially considering that olof was on the best team in the world at the time, when s1mple is on a horrible garbage ream.
2019-01-11 17:31
#89
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World zebra_man3 
you only look at stats man thats retarded
2019-01-11 17:20
still think niko in 2017 should be in there. he was on olof 2015 lvl
2019-01-11 17:30
#87
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United States FlagMaster 
1. KennyS 2014-2015 2. Simple 2018- 3. NiKo 2016/2018 4. Olof 2015 5. Guardian 2015-2016
2019-01-11 17:16
stopped reading at "1. KennyS 2014-2015"
2019-01-11 19:17
#105
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Iceland cy_ro 
what
2019-01-11 21:13
shox no doubt. niko no doubt. s1mple no doubt. cold olofm old school future zywoo?
2019-01-11 17:24
Where Is f0rest 2012-2013?
2019-01-11 17:25
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