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flamie > CeRq??
refrezh | 
Sweden meistr0 
twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1083460211279.. How?? According to HLTVs COO flamie was better than CeRq / TabseN / Tarik (who got MVP at major)?
2019-01-11 20:47
#1
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United States Doge14 
I don’t agree but it’s because they were top 3 for most of the year and he was the 3rd best player so he gets undeserved credit
2019-01-11 20:48
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refrezh | 
Sweden meistr0 
i.gyazo.com/528de6109ad792bfdec42dcfcb58.. flamie vs CeRq i.gyazo.com/97a1bf1b01962096551d01a19692.. flamie vs TabseN i.gyazo.com/a2a888929fb43e252ce79da3c59e.. flamie vs Tarik I know NaVi came close to winning X amount of events & all that, but Tarik recieved a MVP at major & obv is better than flamie.
2019-01-11 20:52
If you want to compare, use filters for 2018, big events. If not, don't compare, you are wasting your time as nothing else is counted in the top20.
2019-01-11 21:29
tbf flamie is still behind cerq when using Big events or LAN in the filter. The only advantage (which is probably the deciding factor) is that flamie had great stats on Majors, whereas cerq hasnt played on a major in 2018
2019-01-15 10:44
We don't really know how they measure, but as clarification to why Magisk is lower than electronic when they have the same stats, they said that one of the deciding factors was that electronic had a higher peak in stats
2019-01-15 17:49
#31
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United States Jammin800k 
Using "all matches" Lmfao
2019-01-11 21:46
you have to filter for lan rating. online matches never count towards rankings and the main reason why flamie is better than cerq and tarik is mainly due to major rating
2019-01-12 19:20
nt newfag 0/8
2019-01-12 19:20
u didnt just use "all matches" not sure if trolling or serious xddddddddddd
2019-01-12 19:21
no /close
2019-01-11 20:49
#21
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Bulgaria diyvof 
/open +1 /close
2019-01-11 21:29
hahahaha god tier comment
2019-01-11 21:34
#49
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Bulgaria diyvof 
<3
2019-01-12 19:39
Why do people keep bringing up the MVP at the major argument???? He had ONE good event and sucked for the rest of the year.
2019-01-11 20:50
#7
refrezh | 
Sweden meistr0 
Argument? I am just saying that a MVP major player & Major winner should be above a "third wheel" in NaVi.
2019-01-11 20:53
He sucked for the entire year only had ONE good event
2019-01-11 20:54
No? He had multiple good events with C9. i.gyazo.com/c4c3e47dc27f2dd72bf561cf9ae3.. Him with C9 2018.
2019-01-11 20:56
Notice how he only has a couple of Big events where he performed decently, its mostly qualifiers or online leagues
2019-01-11 20:58
Flamie was even worse, rofl
2019-01-11 21:37
#27
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United States Jammin800k 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7594/flam.. Nope flamie EVP at both majors and multiple other while tarik performed well at 1 tournament in January and fell off the entire rest of the year. Him appearing on the rankings would be the lowest rating 2.0 ever and the least amount of EVPs/MVPs EVER on the rankings
2019-01-11 21:42
Thank you.
2019-01-11 21:42
#32
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United States Jammin800k 
Np :) Facts only
2019-01-11 21:46
WP, Flamie was so shit the last part of the year that it made me think he was worse, but Tarik was pretty bad too.
2019-01-11 21:48
Both were pretty bad but overall flamie got the edge
2019-01-11 21:49
#4
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Bulgaria squezzi 
There will be 3 Bulgarians in top 20 this year cerq, poizon and shipz
2019-01-11 20:50
no only poiz
2019-01-11 21:32
#5
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Sweden KHARDAR 
navi played finals regurarly so flamie got better opposition than cerq and they stayed top3 most of the year. (not my opinion but probably hltvs reasoning) and cerq was pretty average last 3-4 months of the year tbh
2019-01-11 20:50
#9
refrezh | 
Sweden meistr0 
Well maybe. But flamie have not been amazing for the whole year. So they basically just put flamie above because he won more lol?
2019-01-11 20:53
#18
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Sweden KHARDAR 
yes, that is usually their reasoning for the top 20 list, achievement > individual skill according to hltv
2019-01-11 21:24
So if HUNDEN joins Astralis & Astralis keep this form but HUNDEN plays like shit for whole 2019 & wins a looooooot of events with Astralis he would be top 10-20?? lol.
2019-01-11 21:26
#37
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Sweden KHARDAR 
not really, but it really takes in to account the players achievements. i was being quite hyperbolic with the "achievement > individual skill" but you get the idea
2019-01-12 01:11
no one ever said that pronax was a top 20 player when fnatic was dominating chill out
2019-01-12 21:11
#30
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United States Jammin800k 
That's so far from true lol, they just weight big events and playoff performances more heavily for obvious reasons (better competition and biggest stages) just so happens that players on good teams often are able to showcase their skill vs top level opponents better than ones who arent. The rankings are almost purely statistical individually, the statistics just need to be vs relevant competion or wed have sergej xantares espiranto and zywoo on the list.
2019-01-11 21:44
#36
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Sweden KHARDAR 
niko #11 in 2016 top 20? that was only because their achievemnts were lackluster, he was definetely top 5 player in 2016 no doubt
2019-01-12 01:11
#38
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes exactly for the reasons I said was he low. He didnt have great stats in playoffs (there was a noticeable drop off) or that many playoff matches/big event matches so all he had was a few quarter final placements at like 4 big events and wasn't able to prove himself vs top tier competition the same way the top 10 was.
2019-01-12 01:24
#39
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Sweden KHARDAR 
Okay then, why is even device in a discussion for #1 this year then? if we say that hltv doesnt account achievements and only performance there wouldnt even be a question about s1mple or device for first place
2019-01-12 01:53
#40
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United States Jammin800k 
Hes not. Theres a better argument for Niko taking top 2 for device than device taking top 1 from s1mple. And I never said they didnt count achievements I said that "achievements > individual skill in HLTV rankings" is clearly false
2019-01-12 18:12
#44
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Sweden KHARDAR 
I was being quite hyperbolic when i said "achievements > individual skill" but my reasoning is that its ridicilous when players such as xyp9x make the top 20 when there are players such as nahtE, cerq, tabsen etc. that are clearly more individually skilled and have played much better than xyp9x but since he won alot and is just good enough for his team to win then he gets a good placing in top 20
2019-01-12 19:16
#50
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United States Jammin800k 
It's not that they havent won a lot. It's that they havent done those things consistently vs elite teams like xyp9x has. Also Ethan tabsen and cerq where all honorable mentions on tgwri1s twitter. If you honestly dont think xyp9x deserved a top 20 spot due to his insane clutching, great nade usage, and high level decision making as well as his clearly impressive rating and performances in playoffs than you're just being biased.
2019-01-12 20:02
#51
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Sweden KHARDAR 
do you believe xyp9x has greater skill than anyone of those 3 players?
2019-01-12 20:51
#54
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United States Jammin800k 
Higher skilled? No but that's not what the list is and that's also not how you determine if s player is effective or not. Xantares is amazingly skilled but has a pretty one dimensional playstyle or at least he did while he was on SS and he clearly isnt a top 20 player. Zywoo arguably has the most "skill" in the game aside from s1mple but he also wouldnt get a spot. It's not about skill it's about performance. The better question is do I think xyp9x was more impactful this year than those players and the answer is yes
2019-01-13 08:27
#56
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World bigb1rd 
Nice to read a good answer on here for once. Well explained and all true.
2019-01-13 09:44
#59
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Sweden KHARDAR 
well if it's about "most impact" couldn't you argue that most igl's should be considered for the top 20 then
2019-01-13 15:43
#61
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United States Jammin800k 
Nope because a lot of IGLs heavily drop off in the fragging department and therefore should not be considered. The only ones this year that even deserved a mention were Gla1ve, fallen, and MAYBE chrisj/nitr0.
2019-01-13 23:14
#62
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Sweden KHARDAR 
but what if their fragging doesnt matter since their igling brings most impact
2019-01-14 10:56
#64
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United States Jammin800k 
Fragging is always relevant and igling has no quantifiable metrics.
2019-01-14 21:53
#65
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Sweden KHARDAR 
but "impact" has?
2019-01-14 22:49
#66
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes theres an impact rating lol and kills, damage, and clutches all have clear impact on the game.
2019-01-14 23:50
#57
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Russia zbogus 
dude, if they were making a raitng by skill, they would just use headshot percentage kuk
2019-01-13 09:55
#41
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United States Jammin800k 
Read this thread it should help you understand Check out @Tgwri1s’s Tweet: twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1084106447565..
2019-01-12 18:30
achivements in navi nrg case and navi astralis case kinda different, nrg didnt play a lot of big events playoff where competition is high while navi top-4 in every single event until august, and only 4 events they out of top-4, 3 of them was top-8, and the difference in competition between astralis and navi is almost the same, they played kinda same teams in playoff maybe navi a bit behind in turms of what team that had to face, but nrg is like 2 miles away from navi in turms of playoff matches, for like team that win event faced the same competition that 2nd team
2019-01-13 10:04
Major is like one one of 50 tournaments in a year.
2019-01-11 20:53
Oh really? But major is the most important one of the year.
2019-01-11 20:54
For rating it isnt. Also, stop comparing ratings of tier-1 and tier-2 players, they compete against different opposition.
2019-01-11 20:55
Are you calling CeRq & Tarik tier 2? TabseN maybe is tier 1.5. NRG, BIG & NaVi have been to a lot of events together & all 3 compete against pretty hard/good teams.
2019-01-11 21:02
BIG is clear tier-2 here. NRG didn't even attended a major yet. See inconsistensies here when trying to value majors above another tourneys? There's no point comparing 2 players ratings when one is from underdog team and and other is from team that goes deep in every tournament,
2019-01-11 21:11
#75
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United States Jammin800k 
You realize you can filter comparisons by team ranking right? You can also filter it by big events to ensure that low tier events arent being considered as well.
2019-01-18 00:05
I don't really care about some numbers, even if NRG won some "big" events like IEM Shanghai where they beat some asian teams or when they take 3-4th place on 8 teams "big" tournament it doesnt change anything. NRG is not tier-1 by any means.
2019-01-18 19:32
#77
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United States Jammin800k 
I never said they were dumbass that has nothing to do with the INDIVIDUALLY BASED player ranking.
2019-01-18 20:04
#12
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Russia zbogus 
being the second best performing player in major helps hltv.org/stats?startDate=2018-01-01&endD..
2019-01-11 20:55
#24
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United States Trump2020KAG 
How isn’t woxic on that list????? Wox is insane and 90% of the time carries HR.
2019-01-11 21:34
Flamie > who?
2019-01-11 21:34
Flamie > every1 in top20
2019-01-11 21:48
#42
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Hungary Bonte 
he was playing really well at the start of the year and at both majors. cerq didn't even play an event until may, tarik was shit at every event after the major and tabsen... his team had one good event, he's not really in question
2019-01-12 18:33
tarik - MVP Major. flamie - NO. but flamie>>>tarik. soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ecovice - MVP Major . S1mple -0. EZ S1mple>>>ecovice
2019-01-12 19:28
tabsen>>every single one of them
2019-01-12 21:13
#55
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Armenia gr1nch 
woxic was in the fight for #30 with the likes of chrisJ, nitr0, ISSAA, olof, JW, kennyS, f0rest and flusha lul wtf
2019-01-13 08:28
#60
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Sri Lanka khorkalba 
HLTV's rankings inherently favour players on top teams, so someone like Flamie who had a very disappointing year is considered better than players like CeRq.
2019-01-13 16:01
#67
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United States Jammin800k 
The only reason you consider his year disappointing is because you known he can perform at an elite level. The same way the only reason you consider cerqs performance impressive is because you've never seen him play at that level vs relevant competion. When you actually break those twos years down theyve has very similar levels of performance and success. Flamie attended, placed 3-4th, and earned EVPs at both majors which is definitely an advantage over Cerq. Cerq has some statistical advantages himself and overall they were very close but it's not hard to see why the debate is there
2019-01-14 23:54
#63
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Ukraine beazztov 
nahtE > tarik, CeRq, tabseN? rly?
2019-01-14 11:04
#68
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United States Jammin800k 
Lol you clearly havent done your research
2019-01-14 23:55
#69
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Ukraine beazztov 
Flag checks out
2019-01-15 10:32
#73
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United States Jammin800k 
As does my logic
2019-01-15 16:58
"all match" rly :DDDDDDDDDDDD i have 1.33 rating Me >dec1ce ?
2019-01-15 10:39
flamie good performance on all majors cerq tier5 tournaments and online /closed.
2019-01-15 12:15
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