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Top 20 players of 2018: NAF (09)
Sri Lanka KAZE1994 
I'm not a fan of this overrated fella. But you saw it 1st here :)
2019-01-12 16:27
#1
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Japan Switchance 
NAF is 7th, 9th is KRIMZ You heard it here first
2019-01-12 16:27
7th is too much for NAF wtf
2019-01-12 16:28
#4
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Japan Switchance 
NAF has been the firepower for Liquid whole year?
2019-01-12 16:32
TOP20 is too much for a bot like KRIMZ
2019-01-12 16:32
I don't even need him in top20 at all
2019-01-12 16:33
naf will be higher... 0/8 i guess that you also think that twistzz should be around 5th, right?
2019-01-12 16:31
No I don't, but I would be happy if twistzz place swapped with NAF
2019-01-12 16:33
ahahah i knew it...like i already said: 0/8
2019-01-12 16:33
NAf = Luck Twistzz = New Canadian Power House
2019-01-12 16:45
hahaahahhahaah yea, stay deluded. bye
2019-01-12 16:45
Luck < AimGod
2019-01-12 16:54
you hate him too much... 90% of your comments are about him lol
2019-01-12 17:03
i dont hate him at all. he is great player and he can reach top3 this year imo. i only hate his blind fanboys who are overrating him and i used him as an example here because naf was better...its simple
2019-01-12 17:04
#9
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Kyrgyzstan NeaRipS 
He will be 7th 9th will be Gla1ve U saw it 1st here
2019-01-12 16:36
Gla1ve > NAF
2019-01-12 16:56
#26
ceh9 | 
Kyrgyzstan NeaRipS 
Lol no
2019-01-12 17:49
so we have simple device niko as first 3 we then have electronic,dupreeh,magisk i think so it leaves us with twistz naf krimz and glave oh fuck that is 10 who is not on list krimz maybe oh maybe they will say fuck u to krimz or twistzz who knows?
2019-01-12 16:40
twistzz was already 12th lmao...
2019-01-12 16:41
uh i forgot so krimz def is next
2019-01-12 16:41
#12
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Japan Switchance 
twistzz is already in top 20
2019-01-12 16:41
yeah i forgot we can give krimz or glave number 9 or mabye they will push glave up i think there is 70 percent chance that next player will be krimz
2019-01-12 16:44
#15
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Japan Switchance 
it is krimz no doubt about it and after that might be gla1ve
2019-01-12 16:44
do u think there is chance they push glave above naf and maybe dupreeh because he frags so much and is an igl?
2019-01-12 16:46
nope, roles arent considered actually...btw surely not before naf. naf is actually candidate for top5
2019-01-12 17:00
no way man niko simple electronic device and magisk or dupreeh are top 5,6 no way naf is there.He is good player but he is not better than guys i just mentioned.
2019-01-12 19:38
naf has big shot to be before electronic and im like 100% sure that he will and both dupreeh and magisk are actually debatable
2019-01-12 19:38
yeah there is no fucking way he is in front of electronic man hahah wtf i think naf is number 7 not more than that,you are just fanboying right now He didn't win any t1 tournament this year they wont give him top 5 agains t other guys
2019-01-12 20:23
we will see...
2019-01-12 20:23
trust me man 7 is as high as he gets maybe 6 if they really push dupreeh down but magisk and electronic are 98 % in front of him
2019-01-12 20:25
hltv.org/forums/threads/1960146/nikodevi.. post 14...who is fanboying now?
2019-01-12 20:29
again man naf didn't win any t1 tournament i get that u like him for some reason but he is not in front electronic don't be silly man
2019-01-12 20:32
great argument lmao...look at xypex and his place even tho that he achieved SO MUCH. naf was relevant enough to be easily before electronic and his performance was better if you admit it or not. im not saying that naf will be 100% before him but he is candidate for top5
2019-01-12 20:34
yeah no he is not sorry he wont be top 5 maybe 6 but not top 5
2019-01-12 20:39
like i already said, we will see...
2019-01-12 20:40
#32
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United States Jammin800k 
But he does have 2 MVPs and 9 evps which is more than every player besides device and s1mple. With 1 less MVP than Niko. He also has a higher ADR and impact than electronic and is also the best player on his team. 6th is where NAF should end up after the Astralis riflers
2019-01-12 20:26
c mon mate look at his mvps dude he won it on t2 events non of them are on good ones if u look at that valde was like best player in 2018 boosting those stats and mvps on dreamhack t2-3 events
2019-01-12 20:27
#34
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes but he still won them. You realize that electronic attended lower tier events this year as well right? Please tell me why electronic will be above NAF?
2019-01-12 20:29
because electronic won t1 events and naf didn't win any t1 event, why is that so hard to understand man wtf is going on
2019-01-12 20:30
#40
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United States Jammin800k 
Tournament success is team based and electronic had s1mple on his team to carry all of his tournament wins. Meanwhile NAF is the best player on his team and was individually better than electronic this year. He performed at an EVP level at more events. Maybe if electronic had gotten an MVP at one of thos big events he would be potentially higher but all of the tournaments that navi won are due to s1mple going God mode and carrying them thru matches they didnt deserve to win or the infamous Zeus 30 bomb vs astralis at Cologne. When you compare the two players individually NAF has more MVPs, more EVPs, a higher peak, higher ADR, Impact and rating. Of course he will appear higher. Unless you can name any instances in which a player had less in all 5 of those things while being on a top 5 team and not been placed above a player with "more tournament wins"
2019-01-12 20:35
stfup naf has 10times better team than fucking electronic if u say that fucking twsitz elige nitro and taco are not better than edward zeus simple and flame than u know shit about cs. Simple is maybe best cs player in csgo ever but edward and zeus are probably one of the worst right now
2019-01-12 20:37
#46
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah and that has nothing to do with my point. You're clearly an idiot or baiting. S1mple CARRIED those tournament wins. NAF doesnt have any one on his team that can do the things s1mple can and make you win matches that you never would otherwise. Like I said electronic was never the best player on his team at any of the events they won while NAF consistently was most of the times they placed second vs Astralis.
2019-01-12 20:43
i am sorry but u dont watch enough of cs every big match against astralis or some other teams,simple usually isn't there,the guy who gives them chance to win is electronic.I love simple but against astralis he is useless so u know shit about cs
2019-01-12 20:43
#51
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United States Jammin800k 
S1mple vs Astralis in Big events 2018: 1.2 rating Proof: hltv.org/stats/players/opponents/team/79.. Electronic rating vs Astralis at Big Events 2018: 1.14 Proof: hltv.org/stats/players/opponents/team/89.. Again you fail to even research your own claims. Please just stop
2019-01-12 20:56
#41
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United States Jammin800k 
MSL also won a tier 1 event and recieved MVP. Should he be above NAF? What about flusha, he did the same thing. Your logic is flawed bud
2019-01-12 20:36
no u have to look at raitings and if they are similar than u compare achivments naf and electronic have same ratings 1.17 ong big events after that u look at what they achived
2019-01-12 20:38
do you realize that hltv isnt based on overall rating in big events right? jesus christ we are just wasting time here with jammin since you have clearly no idea at all how hltv ranking even works LMAO
2019-01-12 20:41
#48
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United States Jammin800k 
Oh so EVPs and MVPs dont matter? What about KPR Clutches Impact and ADR? All of those things are valued pretty highly in the rankings, go read any of them. And you're contradicting yourself so hard. Liquid had better placements overall than Navi this year, they just got stopped from winning titles by Astralis. So if you're going to go the angle of "rating + achievements = Better player" then NAF wins that too
2019-01-12 20:42
ok remember our conversation and when we see who is ranked better than we could decide who had a point
2019-01-12 20:45
#52
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United States Jammin800k 
The classic "I have no more relevant arguments so let's just wait and see" Okay then, thanks for conceding.
2019-01-12 20:48
your argumenst are pure stats man i am not sure you watched game in your life.You are lie lvl 6 faceit player who thinks that stats say it all and that u are smartest.I will come to you after you find out that naf is behinde electronic
2019-01-12 20:51
he has atleast arguments that are based on facts and stats. you are only parroting your biased nonsenses based on literally nothing or lies...
2019-01-12 20:52
#56
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United States Jammin800k 
Another sealed coffin. Ridiculous how many people are blind to NAFs dominance this year, you think its because hes from NA?
2019-01-12 21:05
i have no freaking idea at all. i dont think that its because of that bcs on the other hand twistzz is actually overrated(talking about whole last year overall and his placement in fans rankings). maybe because he isnt that charismatic player(residentsleeper) or that he probably doesnt have so many highlights or i rly dont know. he was actually one of the most consistent player last year and i really hope that he will reach top5. btw im not even his fan(i cheer for our scene so guardian and oskar) but i can admit that he was freaking insane and he was perfoming on the very highest level
2019-01-12 21:09
#60
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United States Jammin800k 
I guess its just style of play. NAF is very consistent and usually makes the high percentage play also being great in clutches and quite versatile while twistzz is a more explosive entry pack type player who often opens up rounds or just hits pretty rare shots. I think people just have more fun watching twistzz play which causes them to ignore that NAF is the more effective player.
2019-01-12 21:27
yea i have more or less the same opinion
2019-01-12 21:30
#55
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United States Jammin800k 
Your ENTIRE argument is also pure stats as tournament placings and wins are stats. What's your point? You even said it yourself "no u have to look at raitings and if they are similar than u compare achivments naf and electronic have same ratings 1.17 ong big events" Another very contradictory point that you bring up, followed by ad hominem, and a "lets wait and see". Yeah it's pretty clear you have nothing left to argue with.
2019-01-12 20:54
#37
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United States Jammin800k 
And obviously not 8 of his 9 evps are at big events which is more than any other play as well.
2019-01-12 20:30
I'll join the guy you're gangbanging, I think Electronic is gonna be above naf.
2019-01-12 21:15
#59
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm literally looking at all relevant metrics. If its electronic > NAF the only thing that favors electronic is kpr slightly and big event wins but in terms of big event success NAF is superior. HLTV also seems to value how well you do within your own team i.e 1st-5th and NAF was first far more often than electronic. With his advantages in MVPs and EVPs I highly doubt they will put electronic over NAF with their track record of metrics that they use.
2019-01-12 21:27
00/08 cuz you typed (09)
2019-01-12 16:50
(9) ?
2019-01-12 16:53
i think ZywOo could be either #8 or #9
2019-01-12 21:29
lmao this noob
2019-01-12 21:31
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