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Spain Shurpresa 
Are u kidding me hltv? Krimz had a great year but not a top10 player wtf!!!! But he has won a spot in top20... but not top10... wtf are these "analyst" thinking?
2019-01-12 17:24
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Hes not top 10
2019-01-12 17:25
2019-01-13 14:55
Europe paolom_22 
He is played great and it’s deserved Most people would agree if they remember how ducking good he was at the beginning even people like THOORIN put him on their top 10 list
2019-01-13 15:04
I remember that I said lekr0 would be top 10, sadly that won't happen, he had such a good start in 2018.
2019-01-14 11:04
Europe paolom_22 
Like flush’s but wasn’t dominant like Krimz who carried them so much with amazing skill!!!
2019-01-14 19:26
He is played great
2019-01-16 09:02
He is played great by Krimz. He is the Cs or Terrorist sanal character. You can think like that.. Terrorist sanal character is played great by KRIMZ.
2019-01-18 16:14
yep cuz hes top 9 ezezez
2019-01-14 12:27
Brollan | 
World mbata 
You are right, He’s Top9. Deserved Top5 though
2019-01-15 16:57
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
expected from 50 IQ brollan fan. Most overrated player in world
2019-01-16 08:36
stfu now will ya? No swede is overrated atm
2019-01-16 08:53
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
besides krimz and brollan sure I mean have you seen brollan stats? hahaha 16 y/o superstar LUL
2019-01-16 09:00
he is strong for his age there is no doubt for that. Do you know many 16 year olds as good as him? Also I don't see many ppl hyping KRIMZ
2019-01-17 08:53
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
If you dont see many hyping krimz of beginning year you are blind. Also it doesnt matter what age you are, people should only care about raw talent, and looking at brollans stats hes definetly playing with people above his skills
2019-01-17 09:13
raw talent you say. Well he is talented when we think about the time he has put in compared to others who have played for up to double of that time. What you meant was current skill level.
2019-01-17 09:16
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Absolutely irrelevant
2019-01-17 10:12
Brollan | 
World mbata 
* godlike* is the word you meant. /close
2019-01-17 18:07
United States Jammin800k 
What did you mean by "and looking at brollans stats hes definetly playing with people above his skills"
2019-01-18 08:06
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
57 maps Omegalul
2019-01-18 08:45
United States Jammin800k 
2019-01-18 18:49
sergej >
2019-01-17 09:37
zywoo > brollan anyday
2019-01-18 03:47
You really seem to have a problem with Swedish players? The list is based on objective stats and achievements. Not on your totally biased opinions. Krimz and Cold has basically the exact same stats, but Krimz also won something this year, while Cold just saved every round to boost his stats.
2019-01-17 09:50
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
I mean a lot of retards overrating swedish players is fact
2019-01-17 10:13
Brollan | 
World mbata 
Facts beats opinion= fact! Surprised aren’t you? :D Well It’s takes IQ to understand :D
2019-01-17 17:31
A lot of ppl overrate ENCE, I assume you have a problem with them too then, or are you a hypocrite here? Krimz is on the list purely based on objective reasons, he was a top10 performer this year if you look at the stats. Not sure why this is so hard to admit? Just look at the numbers.
2019-01-18 02:25
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
97 maps v 150 maps. I wouldnt say thats a fair comparison. People are meming about ence
2019-01-18 10:45
150 maps and still not a single win. Says it all. MIBR gets constant invites for being best BR team. They also play in NA leagues so they get free EPL and ECS every time. Hardly an achievement to get that number of maps.
2019-01-18 16:58
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Its not a fair comparison when your sample size is that much smaller
2019-01-18 17:08
Sweden Bangs 
>cs_summit >adrenaline cyber league >Moche XL Esports >ZOTAC cup masters Its a fair comparison when you boost your sample size by showing up to tier5 events
2019-01-19 09:25
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Top 30 opponents. It doesnt matter which tournaments but the opposition. Its not other peoples problem fnatic has been absolute trash all year beside the first 3 months. If you were to put it against top 20 opponents krimz wouldnt even be on this list as he was such absolute trash after april Says something huh
2019-01-19 13:45
cold is the only reason mibr stayed relevant in 2018
2019-01-17 18:14
And he got 10. Seems fair, but maybe a spot or two too high imo. Than he is under Krimz makes sense though!
2019-01-18 02:30
I think that any spot lower would be unfair if you compare him to Twistzz and GuardiaN. Imo the #10 spot is correct based on HLTVs algorithm. And krimz being 1 spot higher is more than legit too.
2019-01-18 05:25
krimz 2018 = pasha 2014
2019-01-12 17:25
could be one of the dumbest things ive ever read pasha was major mvp, krimz wasnt big events: here is all stats since big events might not be enough games
2019-01-15 17:23
the dumbest thing ive ever read is comparing 94 maps to 21, are you 10 iq burger?
2019-01-15 18:06
i literally mentioned the all stats aswell while mentioning not enough games did u not read that? no wonder nobody knows anything about el salvador irrelevant not important no important people
2019-01-15 20:01
All matches filter includes online matches so I fixed it for you
2019-01-17 18:15
cold in 2018 0 mvp 1 title at tier5465 lan that fact that he his in the top10 is a crime itself
2019-01-12 17:26
katowice 2018 is tier 5465 lan? dafuq men edit: oof, misread it, mb
2019-01-13 14:46
r u dumb ir what?
2019-01-13 14:45
He talked about cold i think
2019-01-13 14:46
ye, somehow i got that it was about krimz lul
2019-01-13 14:50
Sweden Motc 
+1 man
2019-01-14 12:28
Expected from a 30iq astralis asslicker.....still better than dev1ce anyday
2019-01-18 21:03
krimz was a top3 player for a good part of the year, i think its fair
2019-01-12 17:27
Brazil m4ri 
2019-01-13 02:41
Krimz is more deserving than Coldzera, at least he won a relevant event and had incredible form. wtf did cold win other than 2 horrendous lans that 5 clowns from the local circus could of got to the finals of
2019-01-12 17:27
not to mention, at one of the events Krimz won (WESG), SK placed 17-22nd and literally 90% of the teams there were about as good as getting 5 old men from ur local pub and sticking them in the server
2019-01-12 17:29
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Then again wesg has no value in terms of prestige, so who cares
2019-01-13 02:43
Not rly the point, I am saying it shows how underwhelming of a year they had and he still got t10 so if Cold is somehow deserving of t10 then why isn't Krrimz...
2019-01-13 12:13
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Thats why he isnt
2019-01-13 14:41
KRIMZ have Top 3 DPR 1 MVP More tier 1 EVP'S Better major rating with 0.07
2019-01-12 17:28
United Kingdom Hamshanks More accurate. You cant only count big teams at big events, i think all teams should count towards the players stats within a tournament otherwise it makes no sense. Also convienently setting the maps slightly above how many Krimz has played. They have the same stats (2.0 wise) but Krimz has way better stats this yeah including ADR, KPR and Krimz has more titles and awards (EVP, MVP and better major rating)
2019-01-13 12:21
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
"slightly above" In NHL when you have an all star lineup would you put the dude that only played 30 games in with people playing +40? Of course not
2019-01-13 14:49
Brollan | 
World mbata 
Ofc yes
2019-01-17 17:32
United States Jammin800k 
If his stats were noticeably higher then the players who had played 40+ and was on a weaker team? Absolutely.
2019-01-18 08:09
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
His stats arent higher than the others. Unless if you mean rating but then again someone can get a god tier rating playing just one map but just because his ratings higher doesnt mean hes better due to how little hes played
2019-01-18 08:48
United States Jammin800k 
Yes they are? He has higher rating, impact, adr, and KPR at big events and vs top 10 teams. Hes also the best player on his team unlike some of those players who have other top 10 players on their team.
2019-01-18 18:50
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
50 less maps
2019-01-18 20:15
United States Jammin800k 
Which is a stat that they considered and is also heavily dependent on your team, are you making the claim that Krimz having 50 less maps is his fault individually? Because that's objectively false. He doesnt have a era defining team or Niko or s1mple to carry him deeper into tournaments.
2019-01-18 20:21
United States Jammin800k 
H0bbit was placed 11th last year with 51 big event maps, for comparison krimz has 94 this year. You're heavily overrating the importance of map count (a team based stat) and underrating the individual performance metrics on an individually based list. Obviously you need to have big event performances but 94 maps is more than a good enough sample size to determine the quality of a player and it's not as if cold has won events or even had good placings with his higher map count. In fact at least 15 of those maps are him attending blast events which are arbitrarily considered big events due to the prize pool.
2019-01-18 20:30
Indonesia Elce 
Want hltv to be fair is the same as you want cs has a anti cheat system
2019-01-12 17:30
Ukraine sm1leyx 
was better in this year !!!! .
2019-01-13 02:45
Yesterday I made a thread similar to this one and it got deleted xddddd be careful, this is a dictatorship But yea, what a joke, kkkkkkrimz > cold OMEGAKKK
2019-01-13 02:51
All > Shurpresa Are u kidding me hltv? Shurpresa had a great year but not a top10 thread wtf!!!! But he has won a spot in top20... but not top10... wtf are these "posters" thinking?
2019-01-13 02:57
Latvia Tibro 
lmao stats dont lie
2019-01-13 12:15
Brazil scariot 
#9 Krimz #10 coldzera kkkkkkkkk biggst joke
2019-01-13 12:15
Why would it be?? They have the same rating at big events and Krimz actually won something relevant this year
2019-01-13 14:44
Sweden ThorinEk 
2019-01-13 14:54
2019-01-13 15:06
Brazil scariot 
ok bro
2019-01-13 23:52
United States BioLine 
+1 Smart Man
2019-01-18 05:41
2019-01-13 15:09
Brazil scariot 
best than bnt9x
2019-01-13 23:53
brazil english LUL
2019-01-14 09:43
Brazil scariot 
proposital are you some kind of mongolian?
2019-01-14 10:03
Agree man, not fair that coldzera is that close to KRIMZ
2019-01-19 16:24
United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Krimz deserves it more
2019-01-13 12:16
2019-01-17 09:42
he is the most consistent player in fnatic and he earned top 10 spot because of his Evps on 4 big events and 1 Mvp on 1m$ tournament
2019-01-13 14:46
Sweden ThorinEk 
I are surprised also but look his stats or article and you will see.
2019-01-13 14:54
fox | 
Portugal T3N3NT 
cmon Krimz was better than cold for most part of the year also cold hasn't won a single MVP from 2018 but i think that both deserve their spot
2019-01-13 14:55
Not even close to "most part of the year". If it was based on players' ability then cold would have been in top5 while krimz would be bottom top10. But the list is based on performance in their runs/achievements so yeah, krimz deserved that 1 spot over cold
2019-01-17 18:20
If it was based on ability cold wouldn’t be in the top20 this year. I can name 20 players that did better than cold in 2018 (his stats are a joke) Device Dupreeh Magisk Gla1ve Xyp9x Naf Twistzz Elige Simple Electronic Auti Ropz SuNny Krimz nahtE Cerq Oskar Chrisj Niko Guardian
2019-01-18 03:38
Lol, huge majority is not even close to cold. You are simply in denial
2019-01-18 05:15
It’s vice versa cold has done absolutely done nothing
2019-01-18 07:13
United States Jammin800k 
I can prove that cold has done things
2019-01-18 08:00
Being individually a top5 player means nothing, okay :D
2019-01-18 15:07
He hasn’t been a top 5 player The top5 the entire year has been 1. S1mple 2. Device 3. NiKo 4. Electronic/dupreeh 5. Dupreeh/electronic And then you’d still had to account for players like krimz twistzz Magisk GuardiaN all of which have had a better year than coldzera
2019-01-18 16:08
United States Jammin800k 
Nope twistzz and guardian had worse years in pretty much every metric
2019-01-18 19:27
Guardian has an mvp and 3 evp’s Cold doesn’t
2019-01-19 00:51
United States Jammin800k 
Coldzera had 7 EVPs 4 big event 1 blast 1 summit 1 zotac and better ADR, KPR, Impact, and KAST and is the best player on his team at pretty much every event while guardian has had Niko and Olof at times.
2019-01-19 06:14
guardian 4 big event EVP's at all t1 events with most if not all t1 teams cold had 4 events with full level t1 competition can't take that away from him. The other 3 were Zotac, completely irrelevant tournament with 0 top tier competition. CS Summit 2 C9 and Liquid attended. The rest of the teams were top15+ and terrible during that period of time. Even torqued with washed swag, azk, and steel attending. The only real competition at Istanbul was Astralis. Washed Virtus. Pro, c9 when they were bad, NiP when they were bad, and a failing SS attended. He should be getting the EVP's at these events because there is no top tier competion compared to the events guardian goes to. I would rather have a player like GuardiaN who had a monster first half of the year, carrying his team in the finals of IEM Sydney and the major instead of a player who just has good stats. One of the biggest parts in deciding who is the better player is the eye-test. For example, for the best player in the world, if not all time, s1mple 100% fits the eye test. Compared to a player like device, he doesn't fit the eye test and doesn't show as much skill as compared to device. All in all, GuardiaN passes the eye test, has 1 MVP at a 100% t1 tournament, 3 EVPs, compared to a player who has 4 EVPS and .4 better rating.
2019-01-19 09:03
United States Jammin800k 
You realize the reason he was able to "carry" IEM Sydney was because he had a better team around him and another player on his team playing at the same level as him (niko) with good help from the role players on his team right? Cold had a slumping fallen, fer, as well as poor communication within the team and was still able to put up consistently better numbers than guardian and never dropped off. Everything you typed was pretty much just your opinion. You provided no actual facts as to why Guardian should have been higher than cold besides the fact that he won tournaments due to being on a better team which is not how the ranking works and not how it should work. As if cold doesnt pass the eye test. He literally performed better vs all types of competition at all events and was consistently the best player on his team, had better clutching, impact, kills and damage. Individually he was clearly better than guardian this year, that however doesnt mean that guardian cant have a more successful year. If we look at Big events that they both attended (11) Cold out performed guardian at 8 while guardian performed better in 3. If we count blast events its 10-3 for cold.
2019-01-19 17:17
They had better year achievements-wise, not individually-wise. coldzera was easily a top5 player this year when speaking about ability, your number 4/5 dupreeh would be bottom top10 and he is not even a contest for electronic, lol
2019-01-19 07:55
Dupreeh would entry and get the kills more than 50% of the time in ALL t1 tournaments. That is such a crazy stat that NO ONE besides s1mple, maybe apEX, and friberg have been able to pull off. I see no universe where cold is a better player than dupreeh in 2018. Stop living in the past and realize cold was not a very good player this year.
2019-01-19 09:07
You are completely biased :D he is probably the best pure entry = he is better than cold, your logic leads to nowhere
2019-01-19 16:21
Xyp9x >>> Twistzz, Krimz, coldzera, GuardiaN, gla1ve, NAF, electronic
2019-01-13 14:57
Europe zero_hoes 
+1 except for maube GuardiaN
2019-01-14 09:53
Sweden Maddafakka 
Better than Electronic? XD nice joke.
2019-01-14 10:03
Better than anyone listed? XD nice joke.
2019-01-17 18:21
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
+1 xyp is so overrated
2019-01-18 03:51
He is one of my top3 all time favourite players but the guy went from heavily underrated to more than overrated, its not even funny. People see him clutch some insane rounds and hes the best player on Astralis and a top5 player all of a sudden :D
2019-01-18 05:18
mb Xyp9x > coldzera, gla1ve, electronic in this list
2019-01-18 08:16
krimz>baitzera anyday
2019-01-13 14:57
prove it or..
2019-01-18 21:12
cold in 2018 LUL KRIMZ is better 100000%
2019-01-13 15:08
Sweden Maddafakka 
Krimz would rape cold with his eyes closed.
2019-01-14 10:02
hltv is a fucking joke anyways, krimz>xyp? nope. krimz>twistzz? nope.
2019-01-14 10:06
your point?
2019-01-14 10:35
Europe p1peb0mb 
xyp9x was 17th highest rated and twistzz was 11th highest while krimz is 9th highest xyp9x got 9evps from 15 semis,twist got 5 evps + 1 mvp from 13 semis while krimz got 4 evps + 1 mvp from just 6 playoffs. krimz has better rating,k/d,adr,impact than both of them
2019-01-14 10:40
hltv only care about stats anyways so
2019-01-14 10:41
Europe p1peb0mb 
then what should hltv care about? stats shows how good a player is playing.
2019-01-14 12:17
yeah but stats isn't all
2019-01-15 16:47
Europe p1peb0mb 
stats determining how good a player is individually.
2019-01-15 17:02
tru, but swedish cs is dead anyways
2019-01-15 17:14
Europe p1peb0mb 
well they are still the second best country in cs after denmark
2019-01-15 17:15
of all time yes, right now and 2017? nope
2019-01-15 17:17
Europe p1peb0mb 
well in 2018,sweden is the only country to have 2 top 10 teams .then you had a ton of international teams and astralis.
2019-01-15 17:21
Sweden swediztann3 
Of all time they are not the 2nd best, they are the best by far.
2019-01-18 07:57
Sweden Bangs 
2019-01-19 09:10
India EosTheMG 
Any good rifler > Baiter
2019-01-14 10:13
shox | 
France Kabby 
I don't think you remember the start of 2018 for Krimz, he was insane. Dropped of after the summer break but he was top5 player for the first 6 months
2019-01-14 10:19
tru but he doesn't deserve top9
2019-01-14 10:36
yes he does.. whom should i believe more? A random scream fan with no knowledge nor any arguments or guys that put time and effort into creating a so far reasonable list, based on stats troughout the whole year?
2019-01-14 12:32
Im sorry, its NAWLEDGE not knowledge. and no he doesn't deserve #9
2019-01-15 16:48
United States Jammin800k 
Then who does?
2019-01-18 07:59
2019-01-18 08:39
United States Jammin800k 
When he has a better individual performance throughout the year than krimz that will happen
2019-01-18 19:26
Cold doesn’t deserve top10 but he’s still top10
2019-01-18 03:41
United States Jammin800k 
Yes he does and yes krimz did, its like no one even tries to inform themselves before making claims.
2019-01-18 07:59
cold>krimz all fucking day
2019-01-14 10:37
Its not because coldzera is coldzera that he deserves top10 this year fuck off. He didnt play shit this year
2019-01-14 11:03
wow suprised to see this from a brazilian. u fake flagging ? if not then WP
2019-01-15 17:22
I may be one of the most reasonable brazilians on this site mate. one of the few that sees the real problem of MiBR (pride).
2019-01-15 17:27
United States Jammin800k 
MiBR's pride issue doesnt detract from the fact that when considering all performance metrics coldzeras performance equaled out to him being the 10th best player in 2018 If youd actually like to have a discussion you could list some players you think should have been higher than Cold.
2019-01-18 08:12
twistzz, xyp9x,
2019-01-18 11:24
United States Jammin800k 
Cold - Highest rated player on his team 1.16 big event rating .78 KPR 80 ADR 1.14 impact rating Recieved and MVP or EVP every time his team was top 4 or higher Twistzz - 2nd highest rated player on his team 1.13 big event rating .72 KPR 76 ADR 1.09 Impact rating 1 MVP Xyp9x is literally lower than twistzz in every single one of those stats btw and instead of 1 MVP he has the most clutches which coldzera also had 53 of. Hes also the worst player on his team statistically and had the lowest impact rating of any player this year in top 20. Seems like the only reason you think these players should be above Cold is because they have better structure and teammates around them and therefore win more but when you actually isolate players individually and use non biased metrics it's pretty clear that both Krimz and Cold had better years than Twistzz and xyp9x.
2019-01-18 19:07
Russia VladAhmedi 
Cry more baitzera fandogs
2019-01-14 12:23
s1 | 
Ukraine mple 
2019-01-14 12:23
Israel FRIsaac 
+1 coldzera deserved a higher position
2019-01-15 16:50
India EosTheMG 
Krimz independent god level player Coldzera overated baiter proof they struggled whole year even wid that team and now getting back his baiter
2019-01-15 17:19
if krimz doesnt deserve top 10 , cold doesnt even deserve top 20.
2019-01-15 17:23
2019-01-17 09:28
Denmark U w0t m8? 
2019-01-15 20:02
Yes krimz > baitzera this year. As annouced this average player is nothin without TACO.
2019-01-16 08:43
Europe p1peb0mb 
they are both top 10 this year,but cold > krimz since he was always in top 10 while krimz had higher peak and then gone down to top 20 later half of the year
2019-01-17 09:26
I love how people complain about the list because they 'don't feel like krimz deserves top10' when hltv has a shit ton of stats and analysis behind their rankings...
2019-01-17 09:32
KRIMZ 2018 >> baitzera 2018. Is fact.
2019-01-17 09:38
Turkmenistan 0racle 
IN THIS THREAD people confusing being a better player with achieving more with your team
2019-01-17 18:22
United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Coldzera went from being number 1 last year, to number 10 this year... Actually take that into account before deciding whether or not KrimZ is clearly deserving of a place within the top 10 places. Pointless rant of proving worthlessness and ignorance towards HLTV statistics.
2019-01-18 02:33
Coldzera played so badly in 2018, he could be top 15+ in my opinion, and Krimz have played so better in big tournaments, so thats it
2019-01-18 04:18
Any individual good aimer,Rifler is better than that baiter who can't do shit widout taco
2019-01-18 05:23
indeed the fact is krimz >> baitzera in 2018
2019-01-18 08:05
Brollan | 
World mbata 
Agree , rating and stats also do. Only dumb people don’t see it
2019-01-18 16:13
Brollan | 
World mbata 
2019-01-19 16:27
Cold is better, look at their stats, it explains everything, just because Fnatic won Katowice, with Lekr0, JW and Flusha carrying, GOLDEN doing good IGling, doesn't make Krimz #9
2019-01-18 08:17
"look at their stats" looooooooool xDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-01-18 17:10
United States Jammin800k 
Wow this entire post is just incorrect. Good job.
2019-01-18 20:31
Sweden Bangs 
> Lekr0 and JW was carrying in katowice 0/8
2019-01-19 14:12
Sweden Trkmag 
Yes, KRiMZ is a better player than coldzera.
2019-01-18 18:49
2019-01-18 21:08
coldzera | 
Brazil xnf 
lol, never kkkkk
2019-01-18 18:55
JW | 
Sweden XperienZeD 
Krimz is much better than that overrated monkeyy
2019-01-18 20:32
2019-01-18 21:08
HLTV top20 doesn't show who is the best player, shows which player had the best year statistically speaking
2019-01-18 20:34
swedes saying that krimz is better, brazilians saying that coldzera is better. BIASED AF!!
2019-01-18 21:10
Yeah, krimz > baitzera without taco.
2019-01-19 06:30
krimz > baitzera
2019-01-19 09:10
Sweden StaffaN1 
Krimz is by far better than Coldzera as of 1 year lmao his impact in game is ridiculous
2019-01-19 14:13
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