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Device #3?
Russia kol9s 
As we see, by making HLTV top, authors looking at stats of the player. That’s why KrimZ is #9. But now I got a question: will be Device at least #2? Because if you compare Niko (Faze) and device, you’ll see that Niko is better. So s1mple is gonna be #1 with 99% chance.
2019-01-13 10:21
dev3ce. sounds good.
2019-01-13 10:23
Russia kol9s 
Right. S1mple, n2ko
2019-01-13 10:24
2019-01-13 10:25
If you really think that, you have no idea of how they make the list. NiKo and device is fairly even with their stats - device has the best overall rating, NiKo has the best rating in big events, etc... pros and cons on both players. However device is LIGHT YEARS ahead when it comes to MVPs/EVPs and tournament wins. These also have weight when they make this list. There is absolutely no chance NiKo will be 2nd this year. I think s1mple will be #1 though...
2019-01-18 02:43
Asia Degeni 
No Niko has the better overall rating and stats in almost every field.
2019-01-18 03:01
Pretty sure he loooked at the past 3 months on their profile.
2019-01-18 08:29
No - I looked at 'all matches' in 2018. Device 1.23 NiKo 1.22
2019-01-18 11:19
United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
HLTV top 20 is LAN only. If we included online then XANTARES would be number 1 every year.
2019-01-18 11:22
Proof..? You try and put a simple logic that a 5 yo can understand to a very complex ranking... if this is how bad you understand the parameters, don't bother writing.
2019-01-18 11:33
United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
No, I'm just pointing out if you include online matches then the stats would be massively skewed. On LAN is where the numbers really matter as the game is so much different and with the crowd watching the pressure is really on. I understand the stats that go into working out the top 20 are really complex I was just pointing out your numbers there included online play. If you look at LAN showings, NiKo pulls ahead of dev1ce in terms of stats.
2019-01-18 11:56
That what I wrote in #73. Obviously big events has higher weight. But if you read into the numbers they each have higher rating in different areas. NiKo higher in big events, impact etc. Device higher in all matches, opening kills etc. But overall fairly even stats. However device has a ton of MVPs and tournament wins - so NiKo is no where close to being #2 on the list.
2019-01-18 12:10
Europe xSKYY 
niko should be #2 worse team he have to igl entry awp clutch at the same time cuz everybody is choking their dixx off and still he has equal stats to device if you would change devve with niko holy niko would have insane ratings even surpassing s1 by a good amount but sadly we all know that at some point mvps and placings matter in this list
2019-01-18 13:08
Maybe it's because NiKo doesn't manage to be part of creating a truly great team dynamic..? Claiming he should be rated higher, because he "has to do more", is just stupid... in that case a lot of the good players from lower tier teams should be considered for the top 20 as well. They look at stats in detail, MVPs/EVPs and tournament wins. In other words - what they actually achieved in 2018... not "What if they have had better team mates" etc... All respect to NiKo - he really deserves the #3 spot he will get. And his skill ceiling is probably higher than device's. But this year he's not even close to 2nd on the HLTV list. Fortunately it's always a matter of which parameters are important to you, so you can always make your own list... ;)
2019-01-18 13:19
Asia Degeni 
Don't get me wrong I still think Dev1ce should be no.2, was just noting a stat.
2019-01-18 15:13
why does electronic>naf then?
2019-01-18 05:57
Dude... go and read the articles regarding their ranking and (hopefully) you'll understand why.
2019-01-18 11:35
Liquid are better in all circumstances
2019-01-18 11:36
2019-01-18 11:37
answer the question
2019-01-18 11:39
It wasn't a question, but a statement. Please elaborate/rephrase.
2019-01-18 11:43
#82 answer. the. question.
2019-01-18 11:52
#104 I directed you to an answer. Just by comparing you can see electronic has a higher rating in all matches. That's a place to start. But obviously the ranking is super complex, so go and read the really fine articles regarding their ranking for a full explanation. If your question is a reference to a specific comment I made in #73, you have to be more precise.
2019-01-18 12:23
Europe Neffty_ 
Lmao mad Danish monkey. Electronic > Naf Niko > device S1mple > niko Ezz
2019-01-18 14:36
How exactly am I mad? Danish monkey??? What did I do to you to deserve all this hate, my friend? I'm just trying to help this helpless guy figuring out why electronic is placed higher than NAF, since he couldn't find his own way to the ranking articles. And if you think NiKo will be over device on the ranking, you don't really know how the parameters on this ranking works.
2019-01-18 16:37
Stop reading at all matches
2019-01-18 14:40
Dude... I know big event have a heavier 'weight, but this guy was to lazy to go and do some reading to figure out why electronic > NAF.
2019-01-18 16:39
United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Except for winning events
2019-01-18 13:35
what did na`vi won? some tier3 shit, blast(which is not a tournament) the only thing is Cologne, where they got easiest opponent to face in the final
2019-01-18 13:57
Mexico GOD_ElChapo 
exit fragger vs impact fragger
2019-01-18 08:00
Yeah, in that order.
2019-01-18 08:30
United States Jammin800k 
They also weight KPR, Impact, ADR, and clutches when making the ranking All of which Niko is superior in They also account for how much better you are than your teammates on average and how well you frag within your team and as im sure you could guess Niko is #1 in Faze and has much higher averages than the rest of his team much more often than Device does in Astralis. Nikos MVPs were also much more dominant than Devices despite having less of them I still think that Device will win #2 over Niko due to sheer MVPs and achievements. But Niko is the better player individually both in watching him play and statistically and its not hard to see why the argument is there. Niko taking #2 is and always has been much more likely than Device taking #1.
2019-01-18 08:22
Yeah - and device has a better 2.0 rating in all matches in 2018, better survival rate and opening kills. Like I said - fairly even stats with different parameters going to each player. Maybe with a TINY edge towards NiKo, as he has the higher rating in big events... On the other side Astralis has played much more semi finals and finals... playoffs are considered harder matches against harder opponents... here are a lot of numbers that are not accessible to us. "They also account for how much better you are than your teammates on average" This makes no sense. Do you have proof? I think we agree on the top 3 ranking, but disagree on how close they are on each other. There's a reason that 90% of the posts here has been device vs s1mple... And not device vs NiKo.
2019-01-18 12:04 here's your proof. now bend over.
2019-01-18 14:20
Thank you for providing relevant proof. Too bad you have such a cocky attitude... The thing is - your link is exactly proving my point..! In his example Krimz was much better than his team mates compared to robz... But his conclusion was that robz performed better at the event. So you rekt yourself, while having a shitty attitude. Priceless..!
2019-01-18 16:29
"it was ropz who had performed better overall because of how much impact he had in some key maps, etc." now the discussion was based around niko now wasn't it. this is the guy that is a lot better than his teammates(1) and also impact in key maps rounds etc.(2) (1),(2) => prove that dev1ce is better than device.
2019-01-18 17:03
Can't prove that device is better than device... xD I assume you mean NiKo. I can't prove device is better than NiKo... NiKo arguably has a higher skill ceiling. But in a couple of hours when NiKo is announced as #3, you'll have proof that device has performed better in 2018.
2019-01-18 17:53
ye meant to say niko.
2019-01-18 18:15
United States Jammin800k 
It's well known that LAN and particularly Big Events are more valued when comparing players because they have more pressure, better competition, and larger prize pools and it's no coincidence HLTV never includes online matches especially whe deciding between the most elite players (top 5). So nice try on that "in all matches" In both Big events and LANs that is false and that's why stats are said to be deceiving. It's very easy to paint the player you perceive to be better as better. Yes I have proof look here this is an excerpt from Krimz #9th placing "Although he cooled off until the very end of 2018 comparatively, he still put up good performances for the rest of the year, always being one of fnatic's best players with ratings above the team's average at all 13 notable events they attended." This means that when you average ratings above the average rating of your team it should and does count to the quality of your performance. As well all know sometimes no matter how well you play individually you still lose and HLTV takes that into account by comparing their performance to the cumulative performance of their team. "There's a reason that 90% of the posts here has been device vs s1mple... And not device vs NiKo." Yes those reasons stem from Astralis dominance as a team (not device individually) device having the most MVPs (but not the most impressive ones) and baiters who dislike s1mple because he used to be toxic or cheat or scam (pick your reason).
2019-01-18 19:23
"...stats are said to be deceiving. It's very easy to paint the player you perceive to be better as better." True... Now read what they wrote about NiKos big event stats, that you mention yourself: "Besides the fact that NiKo did not stand out as much as the two players who finished ahead of him, he was not as good in the playoffs (1.29 rating in Big Event group stages, 1.19 in the playoffs) as the No.1 and No.2 picks in this top 20 selection."
2019-01-18 20:45
United States Jammin800k 
But he did have a higher ADR, clutch, and impact rating than device in playoffs of big events which is why you need to look at more than just rating. Device simply just won more and winning rounds boosts the impact of your kills and therefore your overall rating a lot. I'm not arguing Niko should be higher, I've had him at third since I made my list in November. Just stating that if your actually being objective and attempting to determine which player was better in 2018 Niko is much closer to device than device is to s1mple Thoorin explains it well in these videos
2019-01-18 21:49
"But he did have a higher ADR, clutch, and impact rating than device in playoffs of big events" Just curious - where do you see that? I absolutely agree that rating is just a small piece of the puzzle..! "Device simply just won more and winning rounds boosts the impact of your kills and therefore your overall rating a lot." I'm not sure what your point is with this... do you expect them to devaluate device's stats because he's winning more, or..? I have seen Thorin's videos and I really like them as well. I think the question of whether device is closer to 3rd or 1st is all a matter of the weight you're putting in different aspects of the game. I completely understand and respect your arguments. In my mind there was never any doubt who deserves 1, 2 and 3... but one thing that made me a little bit uncertain was the betting companies who all had device as a big favourite. And I also think that some of the arguments for giving the #1 to device is just more valid than the arguments I've seen for putting NiKo 3rd - this is my personal opinion, of course. Did you read this, by the way?
2019-01-18 22:17
funny thing is 2 is spelled iki in turkish n2ko still feels like niko
2019-01-18 02:45
Same here, 2 in Japanese is *Ni*
2019-01-18 11:56
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African Union OllieMaN 
dev1ce is even better fam
2019-01-17 20:48
Belgium YoGatesKevin 
D3vve sound even better
2019-01-18 12:08
shox | 
Denmark dev2ce 
2019-01-17 20:58
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
S1mple, Ni2o, D3vice
2019-01-18 11:24
Device 7 MVP Simple 6 MVP Cry is free.
2019-01-13 10:26
device 7 undeserved mvp's s1mple 6 deserved mvp's ez
2019-01-13 10:27
Europe Broozman 
2019-01-13 10:30
1 or 2 of s1mple mvps should have gone to electronic, but its true that magisk and dupreeh deserved more those mvps.
2019-01-13 10:38
Ukraine dashbug 
I hope electronic will get #4, he deserves
2019-01-13 11:02
Asia SiduLooty 
he got it
2019-01-17 21:22
That was a nice prediction
2019-01-18 08:41
Asia SiduLooty 
2019-01-17 21:22
Russia kol9s 
Device nothing without the team. Just remember ELEAGUE Boston. And I also can tell it to you. You can cry more, but s1mple is #1.
2019-01-13 10:30
And the team is nothing without device. That's team play! Bookmarked
2019-01-13 10:32
With any other awper, I guess even with you, Astralis would be the same. He doesn't do shit beside holding some angles
2019-01-13 10:55
United Kingdom cmcF 
If they're winning almost every event, why would they need anything other than what he's currently doing?
2019-01-13 11:27
I don't say that they need a change. I say that device is not any reason that they are winning.
2019-01-13 11:39
United Kingdom cmcF 
But, being a team game, it's not about whether you can carry your team to victory every game is it? He's doing what he's supposed to do...
2019-01-13 16:18
Best retard comment of the year.
2019-01-17 21:40
As best as device is the best
2019-01-21 10:11
Ey, stupido, remember when Device wasn't with Astralis first two months at 2018? They need him just as much as he needs them.
2019-01-17 21:24
mvps mean nothing cry is free
2019-01-13 10:39
twice | 
Korea Tzuyu 
device 7 mvp carried by team s1mple 6 mvp carrying team
2019-01-13 11:25
2019-01-13 11:29
United States NT_Skadoodle 
who does that excuse?
2019-01-17 21:17
Dunno, this thread is from last week it's too much to l remember
2019-01-18 02:33
Russia GramDEL 
#10 Coldzera - no mvp at all #11 Guardian - 1 mvp So mvps don't mean anything
2019-01-17 21:27
5yo logic
2019-01-18 02:44
Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Hltv Logic.
2019-01-18 12:10
5yo logic = HLTV logic XD
2019-01-18 12:11
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
> Device baits the fuck out of his team > Simple is the best player of all time > cry is free
2019-01-18 11:25
0 major btw
2019-01-18 16:37
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
and? Major is not the only measure of skill, there are 1,2x major winners out there who would get fucking ruined by people like simple, niko etc.
2019-01-18 19:52
how u can be the best of all time if u can't win the biggest tournament even once?
2019-01-18 20:35
Spain flakkk 
Real rank 1st s1mple 2nd Niko and 3rd Device, all know
2019-01-13 10:29
Dupreeh and magiskb0y better than dev1ce actually.
2019-01-13 10:39
Russia kol9s 
You man stayed in 2016, when magisk was magiskboy, know you can call him just magisk
2019-01-13 10:41
Ikr but still.
2019-01-13 12:15
device* not dev1ce
2019-01-18 08:41
Spain flakkk 
and Sunny better too
2019-01-13 12:17
Yeah Sunny is really good, I hope he has dope year in 2019.
2019-01-13 12:18
Russia GramDEL 
Hmm not really, but he's decent.
2019-01-17 21:28
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
2019-01-18 11:25
Denmark dev1cetop1 
rip my nickname
2019-01-13 10:46
Russia kol9s 
Sorry bro
2019-01-13 10:48
India Bob__ 
2019-01-13 10:48
Russia kol9s 
My conclusion is that decice is overrated
2019-01-13 10:49
Europe Movee222 
you're another navi fanboy who's trying to disregard device skill.Well niko is closer to 4th than to 2nd.Boosting stats vs tier 3-4 teams is irrevelant.Device got much more standout events and he's even better than niko in stats. Stop calling any of his mvp undeserved,you have no idea how it is settled.It's hltv admin giving mvp to best player of the tournament.He's watching every game and counting only impact frags.Some ppl here would give mvp only of final performance lmao. Who cares if device will be 1st or 2nd.He's the winner and history remembers only winners.Call me again if s1mple wins major or grand slam.
2019-01-13 11:11
allu | 
Sweden Dguyg 
Device number 2 or 1, probably 2 though.
2019-01-13 10:56
Russia kol9s 
Please, reread my topic. There is a chance that Niko will be #2
2019-01-13 11:24
allu | 
Sweden Dguyg 
Definetely a chance for NiKo, Device has had more MVPs and deep torunament than NiKo, so I feel like he will still get the no. 2
2019-01-13 11:29
2019-01-18 02:47
not first but neither third
2019-01-13 10:57
Finland jrhg0dx 
s2mple only baits and gets ecofrags
2019-01-13 11:25
There's a difference between a sniper playing for his teammates and the teammates playing for the sniper. I'm co-leading, organizing every defaults, our "bomb site taking", nades, etc .. I'm going first when it's tough eco/buy round, and I'm throwing the nades when we do specific tactics. In the pistol round I'm buying the smokes and flashes. Anyway life is tough sometimes but I'm getting paid very well. I don't care about having 30 frags, 1.50 rating, I don't care having fragmovie about me, I want to win. And you know what? I've been winning since 10 years with all of my teams. I'm not here because I'm shox' best friend. Shox got kicked a couple of times and I've always followed him coz' I like playing with him, we see the game the same way and we have the same work ethic. No disrepect, today we have the best team ever, IG / Outgame. Still a young team but proud of what we've done so far.
2019-01-13 11:44
yo les noobs
2019-01-18 11:45
2019-01-13 12:16
damn are russians that dumb ?
2019-01-13 12:19
#2 top2 maybe
2019-01-13 16:19
8. gla1ve 7. electronic 6. NAF 5. dupreeh 4. Magisk 3. NiKo 2. device 1. s1mple ez list prediction y'all are idiots if you don't have Magisk and dupreeh as 4&5 and device as nr2, Team achievements >>>>>> NAF, elec and NiKo so hard, do you morons not learn? Xyp 1.10 > everyone with 1.12/1.13, gla1ve with 1.14 > cold and krimz with 1.16, elec and NAF dont even have higher rating than Magisk and dupreeh they all have 1.17 and NiKo has only 0.1 difference from device, ofc the Astralis players will be rated higher than them use your fucking brain
2019-01-13 16:22
Russia kol9s 
Ahahahahahah now what you gonna say?
2019-01-17 20:44
Russia sanyabondarev 
He is dumb (dayn)
2019-01-17 20:47
Russia kol9s 
I always have a pleasure when I see guys like you that supporting
2019-01-18 05:55
flusha | 
Tunisia @BOLT 
2019-01-17 20:50
Russia sanyabondarev 
How actually stats and teamplay depend on rating? Devveking will be #1 because he got mvp from the major, it depends on rating most of all Sorry btw but s1mple is gonna be #2 kakimi bi mi fanami ne bili
2019-01-17 20:46
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
Why does major mvp make make such a difference? Do you see tarik in the top 20?
2019-01-17 21:15
Russia sanyabondarev 
Tarik isn't in the top 20 because he played like matchmaking player in MIBR all this year after leaving cloud9 If he would get at least 2 good tournaments with EVP and good rating he could join this top 20 but he played very bad all this year so it was obv. that he wouldn't join top 20
2019-01-18 07:40
Russia sanyabondarev 
In conclusion with device tarik hasn't got this great performing year with a lot of awards like mvp and evp and because of it device will be #1 in this rating, and significance of mvp from the major will depend most of all.
2019-01-18 07:45
2019-01-17 20:49
I wish
2019-01-17 21:00
electronic > device imo
2019-01-17 21:21
Germany Lifant 
no s1mple dev2ce n3ko
2019-01-17 21:34
devveKING top1 in our hearts pimple statpadder, farts at home playing fpl while devveKING is winning trophies and getting MVPS at most worth events devveKING IBP Masters MVP and Katowice MVP devve in 2019 ez 10mvps, top1 ez, pimple will win another Asian Championship and thats it XD
2019-01-17 21:48
nt poorlak =D
2019-01-18 02:49
i feel offended, i report you
2019-01-18 12:58
United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Device will most likely be number 1 or number 2... I doubt NiKo will top Device considering the accolades Device had and the accolades NiKo had.
2019-01-18 02:34
1 s1mple 2 device 3 niko
2019-01-18 02:48
United Kingdom Kingcuz 
Al1u S2mple Devv3 Get it right
2019-01-18 02:55
in what fucking world does niko deserve #2? lmao kid goes missing when they need him most, whenever faze needs him the most hes doing shit. does not have a winners mentality, only skill. device and s1mple are marginally ahead
2019-01-18 05:59
China lxxl2 
dev1ce had a slightly worse rating than NiKo, but his rating is better than NiKo's against the top 10, and he had better results by a significant amount, and a lot more MVPs.
2019-01-18 06:00
Belarus @Bitly 
2019-01-18 08:30
ecovice won more + this is a danish site, so it wouldnt surprise me if ecovice gets #1
2019-01-18 08:40
If he is unviled today as 3 all danes will need burnol
2019-01-18 08:42
S1mple better but dev1ce will be #1. Because he has more MVP medals.
2019-01-18 11:44
Russia AlexMove 
2019-01-21 15:24
Wtf Im not remembering this. Maybe I was drunk LuL I'm always a simple fan
2019-01-21 16:12
2019-01-18 11:55
Portugal Kir0x 
I rly don't know why this hate for dev1ce, yeah s1mple is the best player in the world everyone knows that and who refuses to accept that is just dumb but Dev1ce had the best year, is not better than s1mple just is year was better than simple! I'm an Astralis fan and that is not why I think Device should be number 1 in 2018, cause as I already sad I think that in terms of skill s1mple is the GOAT, but Device much because of his team was the most consistent one. I repeat, for me simple is the GOAT but Device deserves tha number 1 spot on 2018.
2019-01-18 12:03
United States Jammin800k 
Device deserves #1 because hes on a better team but not a better player. Great logic fanboy
2019-01-18 21:54
Portugal Kir0x 
you must read between lines :/ can't do nothing about that
2019-01-19 14:46
United States Jammin800k 
"Dev1ce had the best year, is not better than s1mple just is year was better than simple!" His "year" was better because he was on a better team and won more, that does not make him the better player or deserving of a higher spot on an individually based list. "Device much because of his team was the most consistent one." Again you're giving device credit because hes the best player on the best team and they are "consistently winning" but that doesnt make device a better player than simple. I think what you're failing to realize is that the list is individually based first and achievements are considered in order to differentiate players if they are close as well as quantity and quality of MVPs/EVPs.
2019-01-19 17:23
Portugal Kir0x 
You failing my point if S1mple is the best player in 2018, I think totally deserves it! For me is the GOAT, is insane in skill! But In my opinion, s1mple year was mark my his team bad performance and struggle I know that simple did everything he could I watched most of his games, that is why a think is the most skilled player ever, but device was in the top tier tournaments always fighting for the tittle, a much different scenario from what simple lived and he lived up to it! I don't know if I did explained myself well, Astralis did helped device get the better year, but device is one of the reasons that Astralis had a great year, and is not like Astralis had a good year, they were in all levels better than the other teams! If simple wants to be the best in the world, again in my point of view, he needs to support that with team achievements. sorry for my english
2019-01-19 18:03
United States Jammin800k 
Your point of view is non objective and biased towards winning not individual performance. If you want to make a "Most successful players in 2018" list that's fine and device would probably be #1 on that. But on a list that is based on individual performance s1mple will be above device
2019-01-19 18:31
Portugal Kir0x 
it shouldn't be since 1 player cannot win anything :/ Individual performance should be take in count but not overtake the importance of what he accomplished as a team, the number of t1 events that device played is double that simple, and the number of winnings in t1 events. But s1mple won, fine for me, I do think is the most skilled played ever so
2019-01-20 20:36
Navi fans 0 iq
2019-01-18 12:11
cadiaN | 
Denmark megz 
faze didnt qualify to a lot of events tho...
2019-01-18 13:20
navi fan - 0 iq insta
2019-01-18 14:15
+1 fan of Natus Vincere = 0iq spotted
2019-01-21 16:16
Well, after electronic being #4 this rank is a joke
2019-01-18 14:41
Russia lefy 
no way he is top 1-2
2019-01-18 18:17
People gonna cry a lot, I guess :D
2019-01-18 19:53
NAF | 
Norway Arrow1 
2019-01-18 19:54
Dude niko as no 3. was the easiest prediction of the entire top 20. You should be kind of ashamed being 1 in 100 who didn't get this.
2019-01-19 14:48
Russia kol9s 
Man, reread my fucking topic! I tild that there was a chance. Of course there was 95% that NiKo #3.
2019-01-21 15:21
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