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hltv pls explain
Ukraine luckwowZor 
dupreeh’s impact rating of 1.20, which is derived from multi-kills, opening kills, and clutches, is the fourth highest among top 20 players. - it's what article about dupreeh 5th said and if you check compere hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8918/elec.. dupreeh there have only 1.05 impact rating???
2019-01-16 21:01
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France Zywoomeister 
They use LAN stats, not only big tournaments.
2019-01-16 21:02
change for lan stats nothing will change still 1.05
2019-01-16 21:11
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Hungary Bonte 
fake news, it changes to 1.06
2019-01-16 21:27
I figured out why. Impact 1.0 is used instead of impact 2.0. Impact 1.0 just for multikill rounds for rating 1.0 which they use in the comparison. There is two different impact rating! Dupreeh = 1258 + 575*4 + 158*9 + 30*16 + 2*25 = 5510 / 4113 = 1.339 / 1.277 = 1.05 Electronic = 1232 + 516*4 + 181*9 + 37*16 + 3*25 = 5592 / 3978 = 1.4057 / 1.277 = 1.10
2019-01-17 09:54
Nice rigged calculations
2019-01-17 10:06
Rigged? I based it all on the released formula of rating 1.0 using all the stats from two specific players
2019-01-17 10:06
I calculated the first link provided which is just in big matches while you set it at all matches for 2018 Still works with your link 2141 + 917*4 + 317*9 + 77*16 + 7*25 = 10069 / 6852 = 1.469 / 1.277 = 1.15 for elec
2019-01-17 10:11
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Lithuania gime114 
love how this links to a comparison with electronic, but what did you expect? Danish site, danish bias.
2019-01-16 21:03
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Electronic will be in the top 4 and dupreeh is top5 how is that suppose to show that hltv is biased ???
2019-01-16 21:15
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Lithuania gime114 
talk to me when devve #1
2019-01-16 21:16
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Or you could just admit you were wrong..... but anyway he will be top 1 cuz he deserve it.
2019-01-16 21:17
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Lithuania gime114 
lucky to be above niko
2019-01-16 21:18
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Lucky to have win more mvps, more tournament and being tje best player of the best team ye have a lot of luck i guess
2019-01-16 21:20
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Lithuania gime114 
> by stats he wasn't mvp in many of those tournaments > tournaments are on the team not the player > not the best player > stop crying
2019-01-16 21:24
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
>By stats he was and if you think he wasnt show me the stats instead of talking in the void >by stat he is the best player of his team >im not crying cuz at the end of the day when he will be top 1 you will be the one crying cuz you think its undeserved
2019-01-16 21:26
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Lithuania gime114 
Naf > Device hltv.org/stats?event=3376 Twistzzz > Device hltv.org/stats?event=3954 electronic AND S1mple > Device hltv.org/stats?event=3564 Want more or are you gonna find stupid excuses for these ones, cuz 1. all of these were players in finals and 2. all of these were big tournaments.
2019-01-16 21:30
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
For the twistzz maybe he didnt get the mvp bcs they got destroy in the final 16-7 and 16-4 lol ? Naf didnt win and he didnt have better stat by a large margin so why would he get the mvp ? Electronic and simple its for the same reason they got destroy in the final 16-6 and 16-9 Its also a matter of context if they face shittier team they might have better stat its true but when you get destroy in the finalyou cant say shit
2019-01-16 21:46
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Lithuania gime114 
It's great to see that you just like hltv are cherry picking maps to make a greater impression. For my first example, NAF did better than device in the final so it doesn't matter that they lost since again statistically NAF > device. Second example is true, twistzzz did have a bad performance in the final, but shouldn't the mvp only be derived from the final then? because in that case Magisk would be the mvp and not device. Third, Electronic had over 1 rating which is incredible for getting destroyed in such a manner, not to mention the same thing as the second point where if we only look at the finals then shouldn't gla1ve be the mvp? Lastly you don't understand how the seeding works, since Astralis are ranked first they actually are put up against the LOWER ranked teams than teams like Liquid and Faze who are actually put with teams closer to the average of the tournament. So it is actually a point AGAINST device since he played against easier teams more often.
2019-01-16 21:56
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
The only guy who won the mvp even when he lost the game was simple because between him and the 2nd best performer their was like 0.20 difference in the rating in the exemple you metionned it never happend they were all close in term of stats and they still loose against astralis in the final and guess what the best performer of astralis during the whole tournament xas device Never said the problem was that twistzz chocked in the final the problem is how can you give the mvp to the looser team when the match wasnt even close Again where did i said we only have to checked the final ??? I am just saying that you give the mvp to a the loosing team of they arent giving a fight And the thing about the seeding is stupid the team rank change every week so the seeding would have been the same a week before or a week later so yeah this point more me is invalid + even if the seeding wasnt changing every weeks it wouldnt change the fact that the it not seeding who decide is going to play well or not but nt
2019-01-16 22:21
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Lithuania gime114 
Most of that can be countered by a single, so device gets #1 just because he is in Astralis?
2019-01-16 22:29
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Just because he won more this year then any other player yes.
2019-01-17 04:26
"For my first example, NAF did better than device in the final so it doesn't matter that they lost since again statistically NAF > device." You really don't understand what sport is....
2019-01-16 23:02
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Lithuania gime114 
If you are implying that it depends on how the team performs, then why do we even have rankings for individuals? Just have top 20 teams of the year and be done with it. If they want to rank individuals, they have to do it without taking the impact of the team in to consideration.
2019-01-16 23:16
Maybe everything in this world is not black and white. Maybe, just maybe stats and medals both have something to say. Its is like all the simple fans screaming IT IS ONLY STATS and on the other hand device fans screaming IT IS ONLY TROPHIES. They both count... Yes it is an individual ranking but it is also a TEAM sport, so of course trophies count as well as stats...
2019-01-17 07:43
It's common for the team members of the winning team of the tournament to be favored over the finalists for the MVP. The reasoning behind that is that when comparing individual players with great performance, the one who could make his team win was more impactful in his great performance than the one who could not. This is not limited to CS or HLTV, it's a trend you can spot in other team based games/sports. This year I think only 2 players had an MVP despite losing the tournament (out of 30+ MVP in the year), if I remember correctly it was simple and twistzz, it's quite rare. In fact 2018 is the only year I remember seeing that in CS:GO, but maybe there were a few others that I don't know about or forgot about. It's not a surprise at all to see an Astralis player get the MVP if these are tournaments won by Astralis, the opposite would actually be more surprising. Now the question becomes: what do they use to draw the line, at what point is it enough for a player to win the MVP despite losing the tournament? I don't know the specifics, but chances are they don't simply look at the rating but also at several key stats, and when they're overwhelmingly in favor of a finalist, then it's enough for him to get the MVP. The first two tournaments the ratings are similar so it's expected that they would not get it, for the third it's more debatable, electronic has an impressive rating compared to device, although again, they probably don't only use rating to determine this.
2019-01-16 22:25
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Lithuania gime114 
Finally something actually reasonable, yes that is absolutely true and hltv are not giving the mvps out unreasonably. But simply due to the nature of how they are determined they are not a good way to measure the overall performance of a PLAYER. So much is determined by how the team performs and not the player himself/herself. Hltv staff themselves said in one of the hltv confirmed that this is the first time that a team doesn't have a single player that is objectively better than everyone else to have an era. Can't be bothered to dig it up now, but even they admit that device is not the best player.
2019-01-16 22:34
Well I think it's to be expected of most team based games to be honest, the achievements of the team often get in the way of the achievements of the players, at least as far as accuracy is concerned. I find the same kind of complaints in other team based games/sports, the most famous one being the Ronaldo fans who accused for years Messi of "playing it safe" by staying in a "full stacked" team (well maybe they still do, I don't follow football much) and thus skewing his achievements in his favor compared to Ronaldo's, implying that if Messi had to play in the same teams as Ronaldo did, he would have had lesser results than Ronaldo. It's the problem of team games, it's a lot harder to determine the true value of a player when his contribution is diluted in a team and even more so when the team's success or failure directly affects his own stats. I'm not surprised that they had a tough time determining the best individual player this year, however you do have to pick a first place anyway, you can't have ties in a world ranking like this one, and given how many victories device led his team to, and in such a dominant fashion as well, I think he will get the #1 this year, although purely on individual stats I'm not sure he would have gotten it. It's alright, there will be other years for simple and niko. Or maybe I'm wrong and HLTV surprises me.
2019-01-16 22:52
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Lithuania gime114 
What is someone like you doing on hltv my dude. You are legit the most unhltv person I've ever seen here. In case you misinterpret it it's a huge compliment. Moving on to the discussion, S1mple has proven time and again that no matter what situation he is in and no matter how bad his team is doing, he will perform. He has huge impact in most games and most of the time his and electronic's performances determine wether NaVi win or lose. However there's one big but to that, he seems to be completely shut down by Astralis, rarely if ever performing even on individual maps. Which is huge props to Astralis and they do deserve #1, but it isn't because of device, magisk, dupreeh or anyone else. It's because of their teamplay and counters. If device doesn't show up on the other hand magisk, dupreeh or even gla1ve pick up the slack. Showing that they are not far from device when it comes to impact. Not to mention if you measure it by achievements, it would simply mean that all of Astralis should be in top 5 by skill. Hell maybe even throw in zonic in there, because he is also credited for their victories.
2019-01-16 23:14
Well arguing head on can be my thing as well, I just don't do it in the style of HLTV because it doesn't really suit my personality, and also because if often involves some levels of irrationality that I prefer to avoid. But thanks for the compliment. No I don't think you could legitimately put the 5 astralis players on the top5 (well, I guess you could but then your ranking wouldn't really be an individual ranking anymore) even if you take into account team achievements, it's more of a matter of weight, HLTV puts a bit of weight onto tournament wins because they consider that the best players in the world should be able to lead their team to some wins, which is a defendable position, but putting all the weight on tournament wins means that you're just recreating another team ranking, which isn't the goal. It makes sense for people to wish for a purely individual based world ranking, but I think that when you're ranking the 20 best players in the world, it makes perfect sense to expect them to have sufficient impact on their team to bring back titles, because after all, what's the point of measuring individual players' skill if that skill is not able to bring you the W? Without of course only focusing on that to determine the ranking, but I think it's a good thing to at least have some of the weight on that, What could be good is to know how much weight is put on it, which afaik is not known. I agree that simple rarely underperforms, which is why it's all the more surprising to not see him with more titles, and that's not a new issue, he has always performed extremely well in the stats department ever since he came into the pro scene, and yet so far his teams have failed to dominate, or in the case of this year, at least be able to stop Astralis from dominating. So this brings the question: is his performance impactful enough? So far it doesn't seem like it. I think measuring device's impact is probably trickier because of Astralis' playstyle. They don't seem to give a lot of freedom for individual plays and instead focus on "safe kills" and favorable trades, so it's kind of expected for the stats of their players to even out at least to some extent, but honestly I haven't crunched the numbers, maybe device actually has some stats which are indeed more impactful than his teammates, such as how many rounds won when he got at least a kill, etc... In fact given the fact that only dupreeh is also in the top5, it's quite likely. Impact is hard to determine without having the numbers, only judging by what we watch in the matches it's easy to fall for the confirmation bias. I guess we'll see about that when his article comes out, but I wouldn't be surprised if his impact stats are better than his teammates' by a significant margin.
2019-01-17 23:23
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Lithuania gime114 
">By stats he was and if you think he wasnt show me the stats instead of talking in the void" Didn't expect me to do it I see, well fun fact your tears are what power me, please cry more.
2019-01-16 21:43
Hahaha you rekt him
2019-01-16 21:45
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Lol ?
2019-01-16 21:46
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Still not crying youre just making my day funnier 🤷‍♀️
2019-01-16 21:47
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Lithuania gime114 
mostly because you think you are right and can't admit that your arguments make no sense.
2019-01-16 21:58
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
No u
2019-01-16 22:21
lmao. >dev3ce. >deserves more than top3 pick one.
2019-01-16 21:19
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Mvps, tournaments won, stats and team ranking talk for themselves talk for themselfves
2019-01-16 21:21
smh my head.
2019-01-16 21:22
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Nothing more to say ?
2019-01-16 21:23
DevveBOT Top 2 this year
2019-01-16 21:26
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
Yes
2019-01-16 21:26
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Vietnam jRAYMD 
And what ? They just failed its not like dupreeh took the place of electronic ???
2019-01-16 21:13
Maybe they are using an old impact rating like impact 1.0, while top 20 uses impact 2.0. Just a guess not sure though
2019-01-16 22:55
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Switzerland meme_jesus 
Theres no impact 1.0 and impact 2.0, there is just 2 versions of rating. They didnt change how impact is calculated
2019-01-17 07:59
I figured out why, I was correct. Impact 1.0 is used just for multikill rounds for rating 1.0 which they use in the comparison. There is two different impact rating! Dupreeh = 1258 + 575*4 + 158*9 + 30*16 + 2*25 = 5510 / 4113 = 1.339 / 1.277 = 1.05 Electronic = 1232 + 516*4 + 181*9 + 37*16 + 3*25 = 5592 / 3978 = 1.4057 / 1.277 = 1.10
2019-01-17 09:52
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Switzerland meme_jesus 
Look man, I looked up s1mple's stats with the older rating version (1.0) and the newer one (2.0) and his impact rating has not changed a bit gyazo.com/a59c23ccf54916d89ea51b92f2f5c8.. gyazo.com/fc39925930a9ad1380f10a15f8113c..
2019-01-17 09:58
I just told you, the comparison they are using for impact is always 1.0 There are two different impact ratings they use. The one they are using is the one used in rating 1.0 with multi kill rounds. In top 20, the impact rating they use includes ADR, opening kills, clutches etc. while the one in comparison is just multikill rounds
2019-01-17 10:00
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Switzerland meme_jesus 
Oh, alright gotcha
2019-01-17 10:01
His impact rating on Nuke is 1.20 ROFL
2019-01-17 07:50
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United States ph3n0m3n 
HLTV made dupreeh #5 and electronic #4 as excuse for putting device #1 and s1mple #2
2019-01-17 10:09
or maybe dupreeh deserved #5 and there was no danish conspiracy in the first place
2019-01-17 10:28
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