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Does flusha or other pro players cheat?
HenryG | 
Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
Does flusha or other pro players cheat? - Honest answers only - Would be nice to add the reason or at least some proof material
2019-01-17 11:33
I don’t think so but you never know
2019-01-17 11:34
I think at least flusha has cheated back in time, everyone has seen that weird clips with aimlock on mirage and dust2, that's obv, no one moves crosshair like this and locks that obv. and that at some point in time locks just disappear at all from his game. kukli, sf - proved, kukli even was in top20 kukli also said there are players from VP and mouse who were cheating at the time And now, take at forsaken situation - cheating right on lan
2019-01-17 15:32
#106
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah he got caught at the first big LAN he ever attended. That should tell you how hard it is to cheat.
2019-01-18 00:01
Its not hard to cheat at all...I mean some idiots were defending Flusha saying it was just a mouse lift, i mean how the fuck lifting your mouse locks on enemies head thru the smoke? Casually enough now he along with his buddies cant make it top 10 anymore...
2019-01-18 00:51
#122
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United States Jammin800k 
Using an older players drop off as evidence that he cheated in the past instead of considering that the game has grown especially in terms of player pool as well as meta changes. Seems ignorant to me.
2019-01-18 07:51
#124
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Lithuania arres 
You know what's ignorant? Ignoring the most fishy plays of all time lol which were consistent in only one period of time.
2019-01-18 09:14
#157
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United States Jammin800k 
They arent "the most fishy plays of all time" you're just delusional and you have no proof
2019-01-18 18:53
#190
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France TheArchitect 
The problem with Flusha was that supposedly he wasn't hacking. Wtf was he doing with these 180 degrees random turn, pointing at nowhere but a random wall or box for no reason. And it wasn't something that happened twice, it was constant for a few months. And now ok he's way worse than before but he actually stopped doing these bot moves. 2 options : - He finally managed to learn how to properly lift his mouse without hitting his keyboard like an average silver master elite. - He stopped hacking after months of witchhunt
2019-01-21 02:19
#191
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United States Jammin800k 
Examples of 180 degree locks for months?
2019-01-21 04:28
#193
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United States StewieOnLAN 
Jonty second account ?
2019-01-22 01:23
#198
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United States Jammin800k 
Off topic but no
2019-01-22 14:41
You can't say that him being worse now proves anything. Him along with his team were the best in the world a long while after everyone started calling him cheater.
2019-01-18 10:15
#118
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Lithuania arres 
That only tells you how fucking dumb he was and what a shitty cheats he had. Cheating in LAN might be very easy unless the organizers monitor the activity of processes, usb devices connected/disconnected to gaming pcs very closely which I doubt. Also they can easily have spy like listening devices with mini earphone for info via phone from a friend in audience. Students use them to cheat during exams.
2019-01-18 01:35
#121
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United States Jammin800k 
All i heard was "i speculate that its easy to cheat and that players have cheated even though i have no proof" sound. Tell me when theres actual evidence of cheating in big events and Valve and myself will happily take interest as neither of us want cheaters in the game.
2019-01-18 07:49
#123
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Lithuania arres 
I found the evidence right between your mom's legs. However she doesn't want the world to know how her vagina looks so the evidence probably won't come out. Ask her nicely, maybe she'll show them to you, it will prevent you from looking like an idiot on the internet. But oh wow, I just can't wrap my head around how complex and profound your mind is. You figured it out that there are no evidence that can't be brushed of with so called coincidences, "lifting my mouse a lot" and other bs. Louis Armstrong was also not caught for many years, doesn't mean he didn't cheat and there were many dumb people in the world defending him like you do. Lol just because a complete loser with such a blatant cheats got caught doesn't mean all cheaters get caught. Also I doubt it very much that there are cheaters in tier 1 tournaments nowadays, fishy clips just doesn't exist there or at least I didn't see them. Except that one xyp9x smoke kill vs liquid where he likely used now very well known nvidia settings manipulation.
2019-01-18 09:11
*tips fedora*
2019-01-18 10:17
#155
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United States Jammin800k 
So you typed all that and still provided no actual cheat evidence and more speculation instead about nvidia settings?? You couldnt waste your time harder if you tried.
2019-01-18 18:52
#158
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Lithuania arres 
Dude, are you autistic or what? Nobody has evidence. If there were any undeniable evidence, there would be bans. Nobody is arguing that there is. There are fishy plays which to many people (even many pros) looks like cheats. But you for some reason denying that they even look fishy. Did somebody dropped you on your head when you were baby or smth?
2019-01-18 19:58
#159
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United States Jammin800k 
There are fishy plays which to many people (even many pros) looks like cheats Yes "to some people" these clips look fishy. I am not one of those people, I've seen very few clips and WAY LESS then necessary to manually ban someone of tier 1 pros with actually suspicious plays. Basically you just admitted that this conversation is pointless unless theres any actual evidence of pros cheating surfacing which there isnt. So why even try to prove it when you objectively cant?
2019-01-18 20:07
#160
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Lithuania arres 
what do you think I am trying to prove???
2019-01-18 20:11
#161
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United States Jammin800k 
"Cheating in LAN might be very easy unless the organizers monitor the activity of processes, usb devices connected/disconnected to gaming pcs very closely which I doubt. Also they can easily have spy like listening devices with mini earphone for info via phone from a friend in audience. Students use them to cheat during exams." You're either trying to prove that players can and have cheated on LAN through these methods or you're just talking out of your ass with no real goal.
2019-01-18 20:12
#163
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Lithuania arres 
So with which statements you are having problem? Are you saying that these methods of cheating are impossible???
2019-01-18 20:15
#164
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United States Jammin800k 
Nope I'm saying you have no proof or evidence that these methods have been used in higher tier play on LAN so the claim that they have is insulting.
2019-01-18 20:23
#166
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Lithuania arres 
Good. I wasn't claiming that. Fuck off now.
2019-01-18 20:32
#167
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United States Jammin800k 
I literally copy pasted your comment. You're an idiot. I guess you were talking out of your ass like I thought. Expected from low iq witch hunters.
2019-01-18 21:41
#168
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Lithuania arres 
You said I claim: "You're either trying to prove that players can and have cheated on LAN through these methods or..." There was no such claim. Nowhere I said that there are cheaters on tier 1 lan. I said "Cheating in LAN might be very easy unless" and posted some conditions that would minimize the risk for cheaters. Then I also made a disclaimer "Also I doubt it very much that there are cheaters in tier 1 tournaments nowadays, fishy clips just doesn't exist there or at least I didn't see them. " That had to leave no chance for misinterpretations. However you did not managed to do that even with that specific statement you can't miss.
2019-01-18 21:53
#169
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United States Jammin800k 
So you admit the conversation is pointless unless there is more evidence of a player cheating?
2019-01-18 22:00
#170
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Lithuania arres 
#166
2019-01-18 22:04
#171
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United States Jammin800k 
You fail at English yet again.
2019-01-19 00:21
#176
NiKo | 
France LauraS 
I think it's pretty pointless to bring up the fact that they caught Forsaken. He was literally using Ezfrags.
2019-01-19 13:58
#183
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United States Jammin800k 
Fair enough I guess but it's not like the other pros who have been caught were using anything that advanced
2019-01-19 17:19
#156
ALEX | 
Spain ezivnisi 
best answer
2019-01-18 18:53
#2
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Denmark PATMAN-DK 
no just some sick rounds sometimes
2019-01-17 11:35
#3
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
No, they are good.
2019-01-17 11:35
#4
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Turkey Kebabmaster 
i dont know about others but i think forsaken cheats
2019-01-17 11:35
He was one of the players that actually got caught.
2019-01-17 11:38
#7
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Turkey tastemycobra 
no he's clean. just fucked over by asshole admin.
2019-01-17 11:39
#8
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
2 admins that is
2019-01-17 11:40
#10
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Turkey tastemycobra 
2 assholes that is
2019-01-17 11:40
#51
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
I bet you were 1of them xaxaxa
2019-01-17 12:32
#6
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Turkey tastemycobra 
there is one clip of flusha that i think it is very strange... youtube.com/watch?v=Dd0w4XPvHKs maybe he cheated in the past when the scene was smaller, you know. i don't think he does now.
2019-01-17 11:39
His "aimlock thing" disappeared completely so we cannot see that spectacle nowadays
2019-01-17 11:41
#12
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Turkey tastemycobra 
i think he was walling more rather than aimlocking.
2019-01-17 11:42
#20
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Myanmar xdcc 
A lot of his clips were on LAN. He can't wall as there's someone behind him.
2019-01-17 11:44
#22
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Turkey tastemycobra 
yea maybe but that clip is the weirdest to me anyway.
2019-01-17 11:46
that is clearly aimbot, and bad setup aimbot too. as soon as the enemy dies, it locks on to the body of the next player while he is moving and tracks him in the smoke.
2019-01-17 15:42
#12
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Turkey tastemycobra 
i think he was walling more rather than aimlocking.
2019-01-17 11:42
You mean wallhacking? I don't think that's a viable option to cheat when there are other "invisible" like cheats out there.
2019-01-17 11:43
#19
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Myanmar xdcc 
There was this clip 1 and a half year ago which looked a bit weird youtube.com/watch?v=v2BUAVwAg1A
2019-01-17 11:44
Well this is one clip added to his collection. It's nothing compared to what he was doing in the distant past and I'm referring to the high amount of clips.
2019-01-17 11:46
#132
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Poland Fanowskyy 
It was obvious that one of the Players were on Connector, you know it's called GAMESENSE.
2019-01-18 09:54
#11
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Myanmar xdcc 
In flushas case even without cheats he's good but I think he used aimlocks to find out where players are.
2019-01-17 11:41
#15
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Turkey tastemycobra 
maybe
2019-01-17 11:42
couldn't you find any better video than this
2019-01-17 11:42
#16
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Turkey tastemycobra 
quality sucks i know but other videos are like flusha cheat mixes including like 10 clips at least. i wanted to show this one specifically.
2019-01-17 11:43
not about quality but that retarded musics just pop out of nowhere but that's ok
2019-01-17 11:50
#26
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Turkey tastemycobra 
Yea it is edited retardedly i know.
2019-01-17 12:02
Most suspicious part about this clip is where after he "locks" he goes and pretends to check if anyone is at ticket box.. Why would anyone be there ahaha. If they flanked CT then they would've already killed him, not hidden
2019-01-18 00:01
#108
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Turkey tastemycobra 
Exactly lol. He was like “oh i made it too obvious i guess, better try acting random”.
2019-01-18 00:09
Yeah, people always look at the "insanity" of the play that the pro player did. But it's not the play that makes it obvious if they're cheating or not, it's the players reaction afterwards. I can tell you that was panic mode 1000, surprised he didn't just disconnect and walk out
2019-01-18 00:12
that one and dust2 one are the worst ones by far
2019-01-18 10:06
Yeah I don't really remember the dust 2 one. I have seen it before though.
2019-01-18 10:39
it was on the major, fnatic vs navi esl cologne 2k14
2019-01-18 10:40
You have a link to the clip?
2019-01-18 10:50
2019-01-18 10:51
Ah yeah fair enough, also did you edit your last post? I swear it said "Fnatic Vs Envy" :D
2019-01-18 16:10
no, i didnt edit it xD
2019-01-18 16:26
#148
f0rest | 
Portugal reNyX 
so other plays that there is no panic after are 100%cheat cleared... u never got nervous after doing a good play or something cuz i had...maybe im cheating dont try to be the mentalist and create facts based on ur guesses trying to show that u are the only one thinking out of the box...im not saying that ur point is wrong but its not applicable in every case and could be other thing like just him being nervous about the ninja and maybe he just heard someone talking about something that happened on ticket or should have happened and he just checks cuz while nervous he heard the word ticket
2019-01-18 11:40
That's not what I said at all, I said that it's not the play that makes cheating obvious, it's the player's reaction. No I have never got nervous thinking I was cheating? If I'm not cheating and I make an insane play why would I get nervous and think if I am cheating? When I know I am not.. He didn't look nervous to me, and him checking ticket box is completely illogical if you thought about it. If an enemy had flanked CT then he would've already been shot in the back while defusing. "He just checks cuz while nervous he heard the word ticket" Well, like I said before, illogical, also it takes him like 5 seconds to turn around, walk over there and check it. You're telling me that's an instant reaction from being nervous? Nervous would be doing a 180 and shooting if you heard the call "ticket". By no means was I trying to "show off" I don't know you have to turn it into some personal attack just because I stated my opinion.
2019-01-18 15:42
#18
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Ukraine ksay 
-no -would be nice if he cheated cus id fall in love with him
2019-01-17 11:43
No. Only Indians cheating. Play an Indian server and you'll see.
2019-01-17 11:59
Ehm.... KQLY indian?
2019-01-17 15:34
at the old times, im sure most of pro's was cheating They was mostly all good in that days and fishy things was there and after the kqly case or atleast peoples saying flusha is cheating and many more players, no one did the fishy clips like in the old days so mb i just have paranoid or mb it was the case before. Today, cheats are taken seriously i think btw sorry for the poor language
2019-01-17 12:01
No worries about your English. It's not perfect but I can understand your message. To me the most suspicious thing is the amount of aimlocks that people used to make in the pro scene back in the old days while now everything's so clean and shiny that you'll not able to find one single clip of that calibre.
2019-01-17 12:06
Yes that was my point lol. And so yeah, today i think cheat is away (not 100% but you know what i mean by that) and i talk only about the pro scene obviously. Old days was suspicious af, if you look at old demos (ok the meta change but the movements feels the same) you can see like so many fishy things its insane loool Pro players at that time was in a private circle and idk if im going to far but before csgo esport was not THAT huge (in terms of players, organisation etc) and i personnaly think pro players know actually what happend on theses days and just want to take THE long way for a csgo career (security first) ok i read myself and i can't explain correctly in english because of some complicated words i need to use in french lol but i hope you understand the way of my thought
2019-01-17 12:27
Yes, I understand it perfectly. Cheers!
2019-01-17 12:29
i couldnt understand a single word
2019-01-17 15:28
#136
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Brazil m16r_0 
weird flex but ok
2019-01-18 10:04
#27
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Brazil candymau 
If someone trully believes that people can cheat on big off line events for years, there is nothing to argue with them. I'm not saying its impossible to cheat, but keep cheating for years and nobody has any proof about it? Sounds like insanity to me....
2019-01-17 12:06
It depends on the case and it's not that simple but I can understand your point.
2019-01-17 12:07
#33
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Brazil candymau 
I think there are some plays that are too good/complex for some viewer's iq, so they believe that must be something more than human skill on it... The same thing happens with religion and science throughout the history.
2019-01-17 12:15
This is also true but as a subcase because yes, there are people who think in this manner but this is not the only mentality that forms the group of witch hunters. See? I made them look like gang members now...
2019-01-17 12:21
#30
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Portugal BenJF 
no i honesly don t think that flusha was or is cheating for me he s always been legit and very talented/experienced player , people kept complaining about him for his smoke kills ( like gla1ve but it has been proved that gla1ve cheated/used a glitch that gave him a big advantage ) but it s part of the gamesens if you play anything at high level ( from semi pro to pro ) you ll see that everyone sprays smokes because it s not because there are smokes that you can t shot someone which is behind it so ... Only Subroza and forsaken cheated
2019-01-17 12:08
Wait, it was proved that gla1ve use some kind of smoke exploit?
2019-01-17 12:10
#32
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Portugal BenJF 
yes sir even if he rejected those argues he 100% exploited and used very often this bug
2019-01-17 12:15
How do you know? Where's the proof in that?
2019-01-17 12:19
#44
JW | 
Turkey krimzGOD 
+1
2019-01-17 12:27
#62
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Germany thebestchen 
Ukraine s1mple ESL Cheating, ban evasion 2014-02-01 2016-02-01 [263]
2019-01-17 15:19
#34
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Turkey Slapdash 
How would we know
2019-01-17 12:16
#37
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Portugal BenJF 
wait i need to find this video explaining every step to "see" throught smoke
2019-01-17 12:18
nvidia freestyle, try different combination for sharpening and cartoon effect until you can see through smokes, its not that difficult...
2019-01-17 15:34
No
2019-01-17 12:18
I dont think its a coincidence that flusha had 10x more fishy clips than any other pro 3-4 years ago.
2019-01-17 12:18
#39
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Portugal BenJF 
flusha wasn t cheating whohever thinks the opposite is retarded , if he was really cheating he couldn t be part of the cs pro scene for that long ???
2019-01-17 12:19
How could you possibly know? First of, VAC is shit, people who develop cheats is/was 10 steps or so ahead. Second, lan organizers doesnt check any hardware or phones of any players, so the possibility of cheating is there, and will always be there. You calling others retarded wont change that.
2019-01-17 12:24
#43
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Portugal BenJF 
Calling people retarded is a picture not being mean or anyshit like that i m not toxic but i was just sayin' that flusha was part of the pro CS community since a while to ofc he has a lot of gamesens that he used and sometimes made him being fishy
2019-01-17 12:27
Flusha is a very good player, indeed. But yet, Ive seen many clips with presumably clean locks, and kio once mentioned that flusha had spray through the wall while he was moving with 12 out of 12 connecting or something like that.
2019-01-17 12:32
#53
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Portugal BenJF 
you know when pro gets worse and another one destroys them they start talking shit about them , it s either luck or gamesens imo
2019-01-17 12:33
You might be right, but I really dont see kio as that kind of person. As said, I could be wrong, but I am more convinced that he was cheating than not.
2019-01-17 12:35
#55
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Portugal BenJF 
yeah sure i don t see kio talking shit like that aswell ahah
2019-01-17 12:36
kio cheated himself in envyus time, he was as blatant as flusha
2019-01-17 15:39
You dont know that for sure.
2019-01-17 15:42
ive seen some shit mate if you are interested, there is 1 very well knows clip from flusha where it seems like his crosshair bugs out in ct of cache. youtube.com/watch?v=fGrmUQAh-WQ if you download the demo from this game, and spectate kio in that round, you can see him having some fun with the aim key as well.
2019-01-17 15:45
Its still nothing you could know for sure. Suspicious? Yes indeed.
2019-01-17 15:50
how many times does suspicious have to happen before you are basically sure
2019-01-17 16:20
there is a clip of flusha spraying from inside of Z connector on mirage onto someone in T spawn, through 2 walls, hitting like 10/10 bullets for 1 damage each, maybe it was kio i dont remember
2019-01-17 15:33
Could be. But I guess you mean cache
2019-01-17 15:37
ah yes silly mistake :D i meant cache, dunno what happened there
2019-01-17 15:39
I remember at one point Flusha was getting so much hate from the community, other pro players, other people involved in the scene etc and Admins were watching him like a hawk at events and other pro players as well and nothing ever happened so I'm guessing a bunch of noobs ended up feeling really stupid when no one caught him doing anything. Also you notice when any team is on top examples Fnatic, LG/SK, Astralis etc every always crying cheats on them it's like natural thing people use to cope with the fact that team keeps smashing their favourite teams, they just cry cheats and that somehow makes them less insecure.
2019-01-17 15:26
flusha 2015 - super blatant aimlock clips, high accel aimbot, fnatic winning everything flusha 2018 - still occasional aimlock, not super blatant cheating like before, dropped off to tier 2/3 fnatic decided they made enough money and they quit while they were ahead, now flusha is only cheating a little bit to keep getting salary from a team.
2019-01-17 15:31
Ok so you're talking about 1 player during an era in CS when he wasn't even the best player in his team and the only reason they were winning, his drop off is because other players improved while he stayed stagnant in his skill set not because he changed his play style to avoid hate from the community. Fnatic never decided shit, Olof got injured it's the only reason they fell off, before Olof injury they won 6 LAN events in a row from the end of 2015 to the beginning of 2016 with Dennis in the lineup instead of Pronax. If you bring up an argument make sure you know what you're actually talking about.
2019-01-17 15:34
olof stopped cheating when he had this injury. like guardian also did. both were using some kind of ESP and they made a lot of money with it, and being smart guys they stopped doing it before they got caught. olof and flusha and jw and krimz all stopped using aimbot every game to find enemies through walls and get ez headshots around that time when olof had his injury and they all dropped off a lot. now they only use it occasionally like most other teams do. SK took over that role of holding down aimbot button all game every game in 2016. and now its astralis. literally krimz is the only player from that lineup who didnt go to shit, they all just suck without cheats.
2019-01-17 15:41
Can't tell if you're baiting or retarded.
2019-01-17 15:44
no u
2019-01-17 15:46
You basically said the whole team was cheating yet they took tons of Ls for example old Astralis who was TSM at the time used to shit on Fnatic consistently in 2015, some of the French teams could beat them pretty consistently as well, how you think a full legit team can beat a team full of cheaters is beyond me honestly but you can think of what you want.
2019-01-17 15:47
those other teams werent full legit either...
2019-01-17 16:19
I didnt say he was cheating, but if I had to pick one of the options, I would guess he DID cheat.
2019-01-17 12:25
#46
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Other beeg 
In my opinion, flusha was cheating in the past, but now he doesn’t. And for the rest of the players, there are few of them that still cheat in tier 1 scene. I have an insider who told me this, but he couldn’t say their names.
2019-01-17 12:28
You know how much I can trust this...
2019-01-17 12:30
#48
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Morocco KH4L1D47 
they cheated to make their way to the pro scene now that they have salaries no need
2019-01-17 12:29
and they can cheat in online qualifiers whenever they want to to ensure they keep getting salaries and qualify for an event, without even having to cheat on lan. even that is doable with the prize pools and low amount of security there are today
2019-01-17 15:29
#97
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Morocco KH4L1D47 
for sure they cheat when needed,the thing with forsaken is that he was getting paid by optic and coach and teammates knew probably even the org owner or manager or whatever but forsaken took it way too far that's why they had to cut him off
2019-01-17 18:37
bro, every org knows when their players cheat.
2019-01-17 21:53
Flusha just trolling when he was aiming through the walls or smth like this. He is really pro so he can allow himself to do this things :P
2019-01-17 12:31
Probably few of them cheat, but I don't think it's anything big. Unlike all the "aimlock clips" that people post now and again, I think at least the smarter ones that do cheat uses some kind of subtle aim assist that helps them win more duels than what they lose. Nothing too big to make people suspicious, just enough to make them a better aimer than what they actually are.
2019-01-17 12:43
+1 With the right amount of money, you can buy an undetectable aim assist that can work on LAN
2019-01-19 17:21
yeah, the problem that came with the whole flusha thing is that people only started looking for aimlocks and shit. Not the subtle stuff of players that might suddenly start winning a lot of key rounds or getting fast kills in high pressure situations. And that they also know not to overuse it. It just seems to make the most sense and history shows us that some people are always willing to cheat in the highest of competition.
2019-01-19 17:35
Guys u gotta understand that playing with a pro is a whole different game. They basically know EVERYTHING in the game and they are playing full beast mode in events, not playing for fun like in FPL... I.E i do surf, the level of surfing from world class pros and just "pros" (tier2) is absolutely MONSTRUOUS. Football is the same. And its no different in e-sports. they just play everyday almost 8 hours a day studying the game and mechanics. OFC they make silly mistakes sometimes and we call them silvers but actually no one would ever win against a tier1 pro.
2019-01-17 12:45
how do you explain the astralis domination from nowhere then ?
2019-01-17 13:11
dont get ur point but, a lot of training and structure
2019-01-17 13:25
In a matter of a few weeks after adding a "casual" (still pro pretty strong) player they start dominating the scene. There is something else
2019-01-17 15:12
astralis getting rid of kjaerbye meant that they could spread all the extremely blatant plays kjaerbye had gotten away with over the whole team, so they have become 5x as effective at cheating without being more blatant than before.
2019-01-17 15:26
Lmao or they just study their opponents really well
2019-01-20 20:43
why couldnt they do that with shakerbye on their team though
2019-01-21 02:13
Maybe they did but it didn’t work at that time.
2019-01-22 00:57
#58
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Europe xSKYY 
flusha cheated for sure at some point/s in time thats for sure to me but we will never know which clip is truly cheated and which one is just random shit
2019-01-17 13:02
+1
2019-01-18 10:08
I don't think anyone is actually cheating but I know certain pros will use anything to get a slight advantage so I think some of them are running scripts and finding other ways to do that.
2019-01-17 15:23
yes
2019-01-17 15:25
#69
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Germany Sabba1 
"sometimes your enemy just has a very good day" - csgo loading screen
2019-01-17 15:30
#80
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Korea Jardeet 
Forsaken was cheating I think
2019-01-17 15:40
flusha & byali back in the days 100%
2019-01-17 15:46
It doesnt really matter, even if flusha cheated Valve would never ban him cuz he's 3 times major champion and it would mean that whole CS EsPoRtS thing is fraud. They just cannot ban anyone who participated in tier-1 tournaments, Imagine that it's true and whole scene is rotten, woud that make sense? Private cheats can stay undetected pretty much forever. Csgo is full of cheaters on every level, from Casual to highest tier. It's too late for Valve to step up because VAC is 100 steps behind so all they do is improve Trust Factor so legit players can dodge most blatant cheaters and play against subtle ones instead.
2019-01-17 15:56
i don't think so. But I am pretty sure that there are some players cheating in the semi pro scene. An example would be iDISBALANCE. Statistically he has been a beast in all those online matches, but he sucks in every offline match which is pretty strange imo. edit: i just checked his statistics comparing his online and LAN results and they are pretty much the same overall, he might just have a bad time playing atm. I still suspect him.
2019-01-17 16:17
He got witchhunted because some pro players complained about him on twitter. And because he's from CIS. FIrst they call him onliner, then he shows up on LAN and they say some other bullshit. Haters gonna hate.
2019-01-17 16:58
didn't notice that even pro players are complaining. They should be sportsmen, it's not their job to complain.
2019-01-17 17:00
It all started with ex-SS players tweet, then AGO twitter agreed with him. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/9s.. twitter.com/AGOesports/status/1056615441.. Imagine using your fanbase to start witchhunt against nonamer. That's professional CSGO scene for you.
2019-01-17 17:11
No. /closed
2019-01-17 17:12
Mid 2015 Flusha was the most discussed and hated player in the world. and then he delivered that kind of performance on LAN. noone can tell me that while beeing in the spotlight he was cheating offline in front of all that people and admins. hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3055/flus..
2019-01-17 21:58
Stupid ppl thinks pro dont cheat. Is there big money? Can i be famous? Can it get me laid? Last qustion: Hell No! You are a geek!! But nr1 and 2: yeah! Im pretty sure some ppl on top 20 have som sorts of assistens in cs. Jumping around doing deagle hs alltime, standing on ladders and make hs unzoomed. Odd places to hax.. smokehaxx.. list goes on. And it allways happend to the same players. Hmm they must be lucky morons says...
2019-01-17 23:54
Aerials cheat confirmed
2019-01-17 23:54
#102
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Croatia mds818 
imo people who think that established pros are cheating are delusional because of their own performance.
2019-01-17 23:58
#105
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Bosnia and Herzegovina stb1337 
Yes. Sometimes I doubted like r they cheating cuz I was like way better in 1.6 and used to play with all Balkan region stars.. but in the end, markeloff was the best 1.6 player at some point of tme but still sucks dicks in cs:go
2019-01-18 00:00
#103
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Bosnia and Herzegovina stb1337 
Maybe. From a person that has played with 2 pro persons when they were younger- no, they do not cheat and if one of them is now the best player in the world then I don't think that anyone else cheats. Someone maybe, but not that much . It's just a conspiracy theory with locks or shit like that. NiKo and nexa were the ones I played with/against or used to see them play. Niko was raping everyone in CS 1.6 tbh
2019-01-17 23:59
#104
HUNDEN | 
China ene1nz 
flusha got so bad he probably couldn't afford to cheat any longer.
2019-01-18 00:00
#110
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
I already discussed this outright and have written many walls of text to describe this, so I'll simply state the actual logicality of the situation before witch-hunters do what they do best with intelligent discussion. Does flusha cheat? We do not know for certain, it's assumed so by the people who choose to believe in ridiculously falsified clips. **Therefore attempting to state flusha cheating as factual is intrinsically and axiomatically false.** Your opinion is to be respected, but you also need to remember to treat is as so and not instantly believe that what you think is purely factual, that's the "witch-hunter" way of things... it's the reason why HLTV cannot have nice things and why witch-hunting is NOT the answer to these things... You ask any witch-hunter about flusha and they'll instantly believe it as fact "because of clips", which as we know can be explained or remain "suspicious", not factual of cheating. People need to learn to treat cheating as a possibility AND also the possibility of the opposite. We know as factual flusha still plays CS and was never banned for cheating because he didn't cheat, not because "he wasn't caught" - that is your premeditated assumption flusha is already guilty in your eyes. In conclusion, I do not think any professionals are cheating because I haven't seen anything to prove that they are. However, the possibility is always there and should a;ways be duly noted. Flusha is the last person I'd ever accuse of cheating... It's the ramblings of those inexperienced and not professional. Have a good day. [Skeleton - this topic will get ugly. Don't say I warned you.]
2019-01-18 00:48
Flusha didn't cheat as you pointed out. He was just very good back then. Nevertheless, I think some "pros" did
2019-01-18 00:51
#113
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
"Flusha didn't cheat as you pointed out. He was just very good back then." Well he is still playing CS:GO now, so quid-pro-quo states he didn't cheat and ergo is the reason he is still playing. It's those who assume so based on clips that "look suspicious" only. Unfortunately for witch-hunters, they choose to believe this as factual and have already condemned an innocent player in their minds, deluded by conspiracy. I don't expect people to understand how good flusha was, he basically created an entire meta of smoke-spams and prefires that Astralis now utilise today, leading people to think they're now cheating (because of course they do...); making professionals playing CS:GO a disturbing spectacle of paranoid, flat-Earth conspirators. [ <-- Exaggerated to heck rather ironically.] "Nevertheless, I think some "pros" did" It's perfectly fine to think that and there is no reason not to believe some infidelity exists out there everywhere. It's people resorting to it haphazardly over logic which grinds my bones - so your comment is perfect in that regard for being logical. :) I know how witch-hunters are and I've been battling witch-hunting for so long I'm practically detested on this site for that very reason... I don't think pros are cheating but the possibility is always there, of course. Have a good day, friend. :D
2019-01-18 01:07
This thread was made to bait you lol
2019-01-18 20:13
No, stop reading HLTV propaganda
2019-01-18 01:07
everyone is talking about flusha, but what about show. he was fucking blatant and used it a lot more than flusha.
2019-01-18 01:11
Who ever cheat once in this game, will cheat forever till he got caught. Greed and Ambition will push you to the end. To be consistent in this game most of the pro’s needs cheats at some point. Forsaken was a budget cheater but there are pro cheaters in this scene.
2019-01-18 01:12
#117
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Brazil baldok1 
Every pro is a cheater, and CS is the new WWE. end.
2019-01-18 01:12
#120
nEGRo | 
United States frightn 
+1
2019-01-18 01:36
#119
nEGRo | 
United States frightn 
yes
2019-01-18 01:35
#125
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Finland Karri 
no, not possible cheat on big lans nowdays
2019-01-18 09:24
In my opinion, flusha did cheat in 2014 (mb a bit in 2k15) many of you might say " hahahahaha how is he not banned then? " Idk, but it's not normal to have that many clips while the other pro players have 2-3 clips at MAX. If you're not cheating, how is it possible to have so many fucking clips?
2019-01-18 09:27
Flusha ever cheat, but it's the old time on 1.6 scene and in small competition. So it's okay The other one is s1mple, but i don't have any detail about that
2019-01-18 09:44
"Flusha ever cheat, but it's the old time on 1.6 scene and in small competition. So it's okay " NO it is not OKAY!!!
2019-01-18 09:48
What's the problem? It's just a small local competition , valve never see that as a problem
2019-01-18 09:52
So you seriously asking what the problem about cheating is? Flusha blatantly cheated with headlocks through walls, and then you can ask yourself: Has he stopped or is he just getting better at hiding it? Cheating should be 0 tolerance. If you cheat = lifetime ban.
2019-01-18 09:59
If it's on pro scene, yes But in this case, is like you support trump on the past, but now you're not. No one will make that as a problem and don't even care about that
2019-01-18 10:03
The comparison is not good m8 :). Cheating is illegal and maybe voting for trump should be as well but unfortunately is not.... I personally don't think that anyone who ever cheated on a public server should *not* be able to play pro level....
2019-01-18 10:51
About 10% of the pro scene cheat tbh...
2019-01-18 09:47
#177
NiKo | 
France LauraS 
What would you be going off of to substantiate this? Just personal opinions or any proof to support? (I like to go into these discussions as impartial as possible, and I in no way mean to shout down any opinions I don't agree with) :)
2019-01-19 14:01
Well, imo, there are numerous players that have a medical condition. The shaking aim condition in stressed situations where you have rapid mouse movement around edges. Best explained in this video: youtube.com/watch?v=lF042I3ARlg and then Kjaerbye must have an honourable mention being the most shaking player ever. But then again this is not anything that have been proven so obviously it is my opinion. Then there are the "lockers". The pro players that have obviously locked on targets through walls. Not just once or twice but obviously locked on heads through walls. Flusha being the obvious one: youtube.com/watch?v=4itj1rk7fJ4 . You can surf through a lot more on different sites. Still coincidences happen and no one have found any illegal software on their computers during lan events except Forsaken :P. So it is still a matter of opinion cause none have been "caught". But I think that people that use cheats to promote themselves will never stop using some kind of twitch to give them the better hand but then again opinion opinion opinion....
2019-01-20 20:38
#130
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Sweden bigmanshaq 
not biased but i dont think that flusha ever cheated people just has some insane luck sometimes
2019-01-18 09:50
I could understand if he had like 2-3 fishy clips, almost all pros have about 2-3 clips so that is completely normal. The thing with flusha is that he has soooooo many clips, and you can't just say that was all luck
2019-01-18 10:11
#172
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Sweden bigmanshaq 
u have a point but when most of the clips happened they played with the original rival and the senor would spin out often but yeah i understand it looks weird
2019-01-19 01:01
yeah, but still tho. In my opinion there's just too many clips for me to say " he never cheated "
2019-01-19 13:45
#135
flusha | 
Yugoslavia mimion 
no
2019-01-18 10:04
tier 3 pros on that online tournaments cheat so hard, but in big lans idk i don't think
2019-01-18 10:18
flusha hack 146% papito never says shit on fpl
2019-01-18 11:41
#153
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Other delmaszm 
clips.twitch.tv/DeadDeliciousPuppyDancin.. see this, not a pro but a FPL guy, streaming the game with no shame thinking he was slick. it's really hard to see if you don't pay attention/when you don't know basically it's a wh when you tab. that the kind of cheat you can't see online on a GOTV unless you watching the player behind him IRL
2019-01-18 16:31
Yes and Yes A lot of pros are cheating
2019-01-18 16:33
#165
flusha | 
Tunisia @BOLT 
im a fan of flusha but im sure he had cheats on in some games and especially the aim-lock on the guy pushing throu smoke from palace then he flicks back to check ticket when he already came from there he was sweating xd
2019-01-18 20:25
yupp, I'm sure he cheated aswell. the one on dust2 is really fkn bad aswell
2019-01-19 13:47
#181
flusha | 
Tunisia @BOLT 
+1
2019-01-19 15:38
I guess forsaken does
2019-01-19 13:49
#178
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Australia weapon_ 
where is flusha now... ask your self that..
2019-01-19 14:10
#179
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Sweden Bangs 
Subroza is the only player that im 100% sure is cheating/was cheating (barely watched him play after the witchhunt he recieved at CLG so cant say if hes still hacking)
2019-01-19 14:33
no. some weird cases by unknown players like subroza, forsaken, etc COULD be true at some point, as those guys are nobody... but in terms of pros, if you pay attention, every top team since 2014 kids start with cheat acusations fnatic, old TSM, LG/SK... now if the kids dont cry about cheat, they invent a "smoke bug" to cry about (astralis) lol so basicly, flusha back in the day played in a weird way cuz of low sens, but he was insane at game sense at the time, one of the first to master it, and kids start crying cuz fnatic wasnt "good bois" like nip for example, they werent the crowd favorites. if the boost was done by any other team, the fans would not care as much! later you had fnx having cheat acusations, cuz he was cluthing everytime, "how this guy come out nowhere clutching and rekting everyone? HE IS CHEATING" then guys like stewie2k, felps having cheat acusations also zZZzzZZz the good side is, nowdays kids stopped to have this mindset, which is really good, cuz no one is cheating ffs
2019-01-19 14:38
flusha no zywoo yes
2019-01-19 15:40
#189
Rob4 | 
United States mook_ 
i dont think any of the big well known pros are cheating but those fishy kids in t3-t4 could be
2019-01-21 02:16
#194
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United States Spermycide 
def not, atleast at a tier thats atleast somewhat relevant
2019-01-22 01:24
#195
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Brazil spaark1 
he indeed have some weird moments... the one on mirage is REALLY strange but I don't think flusha was cheating back then tbh. nowadays I see him as one of the best cs go players ever if you ask me shox is another player with some really strange moments aswell, there's one clip against liquid on cbble that it makes you think what is actually happening... but I don't think he was cheating either, there's so much involved, so much to lose
2019-01-22 02:10
Flusha used to a long time ago, hasn't cheated since. (the good old obvious dust2 clips for example) JW cheated shortly after the release of the game, hasn't cheated since. (too lazy to find the evidence) Spiidi has cheated (for example january 2017 vs BIG when it was 11-11) s1mple has cheated (all the weird things he was doing around a year ago when he had very weird flicks and weird shaky crosshair movement, for example at ELEAGUE Boston 2018 i think against QB Fire on mirage when he was in CT aiming into sandiwitch/stairs and it looked like he accidentaly used his aimbot key after he shot indstead of hitting it before shooting, so he just randomly flicked and then for no reason instantly locked 2 guys through the ticketbox with a very weird unexplainable crosshair movement) AdreN might've cheated on PGL Krakow 2017 (there were a couple of possible aimlocks, not sure at all) Maybe subroza, however only few of his clips are actually "obvious" there are probably more idk
2019-01-22 02:34
every indian player
2019-01-22 02:36
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