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North America HomestarRunner 
Why does everyone think it’s great when the government runs everything? Do they not understand that’s the most inefficient thing ever. news.yahoo.com/nhs-not-sustainable-there.. Let’s bring universal health care to the US it’s working wonderfully in the UK.
2019-01-18 04:19
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Australia kAlyps0 
Well your government is shutdown so I completely agree, it can't run shit.
2019-01-18 04:22
lol true
2019-01-18 04:25
You guys let your government take most of your firearms away because someone who was tested to have an IQ of 66 supposedly committed a mass shooting and yet victims of the shooting said that wasn’t who shot them, and he never had a trial “because he confessed”. Good job.
2019-01-18 04:34
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Australia kAlyps0 
And since then we had practically no mass shootings for 20+ years while you had one every week. So good job to you! don't be mean to kids at school son, you don't know if he might pull out a gun and shoot you.
2019-01-18 04:34
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacre.. I count 8 shootings since 1996. Also I’m way pass school and also have a license to carry a firearm concealed. =o
2019-01-18 04:31
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
The NHS is respected all over the world, it is in the top 5 employers in the world in terms of size, by design it was never going to be sustainable in perpetuity. The deficit it’s running at has been exacerbated by it’s mismanagement. Is it ineffiecent? No. Could it be improved? Yes. Could the deficit be eliminated relatively easily? Yes. Will I ever be paying £000’s for any treatment? No. Will I ever be put on some pony medication because a pharma firm has buttered up my Dr with a sales pitch? No. Will I ever need to make a gofundme? No.
2019-01-18 04:34
Alfie Evans? I want the government to tell me by court order I can’t take my child to another country in order to attempt to treat him.
2019-01-18 04:36
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
What has that got to do with the NHS?
2019-01-18 04:37
"treat him" You know he was basically braindead right? It would have only prolonged his suffering. During his assessment that the italian doctors did, he had seizures that could damage his brain even more which is why even the transport was a huge risk. But I guess you could only know that if you actually read about the case instead of just reading the headlines, but apparently that's too much for some people.
2019-01-18 04:41
So then what you’re saying is you support Iceland and the abortion to end Downs Syndrome?
2019-01-18 04:43
how is that related to anything I said?
2019-01-18 04:43
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Why do you think one of the reason EU migrants come to the UK? Free Dr, free hospital, free operations, cheap dentists, free physio, free psychologist, free counselling.
2019-01-18 04:36
I've seen plenty of gofundme's from UK, to go to the US, because the healthcare in the UK is dogshit. It might be free, but if something is seriously wrong with you, you'll either die waiting or get mistreated.
2019-01-18 04:37
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
That’s bollocks. You’re talking about cancer cases whereby they want treatment that isn’t available in the UK, or some ridiculously niche condition that is rarely seen, to go take a treatment that is often a last throw of the dice. Other than that, no, you don’t need to go abroad.
2019-01-18 04:40
You're right, whenever it's more complicated than prescribing Aspirin or fixing a broken bone, you're most likely fucked. I just looked at gofundme, so many cancer fundraisers, that's really telling you something is wrong with the healtcare system, no?
2019-01-18 04:42
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Hahah, I don’t even know where to start with your ignorant reply, completely dismissing the fact you’re incapable of reading what’s already been said. Thank you for informing me how my country and it’s services function from Canada.
2019-01-18 04:47
I've lived in the UK for a few years, and I know people from the UK. Whenever they go to their GP for various reasons, they just end up being prescribed Aspirin. It's not a secret that British doctors couldn't give two fucks about the quality of healthcare they provide, since they gain nothing from it. I have also personally experienced shitty service from the NHS, but I'm sure you'll say that's just anicdotal.
2019-01-18 04:50
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
“I’ve lived in the UK for a few years, and I know people from the UK. Whenever they go to their GP for various reasons, they just end up being prescribed Aspirin.” Hahhaha, could you talk any more shit? I’m not going to bite any more, clearly trying to get a rise with shit baits. Don’t bother switching to your alt account either.
2019-01-18 04:53
How often do you actually use the NHS? It sounds like you've had one or two positive experiences, and you think it's the norm. I've had appointments with Indian doctors who could barely fucking communicate with me, never fixed my issue after like 3 appointments, so I just stopped going. Also had an NHS dentist fuck up my appointment... twice.
2019-01-18 04:56
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
I’ve had “more than my money’s worth”, I can assure you. I’m sorry you can’t understand Indian accented English. Maybe you need your hearing tested? Your private health care should cover that.
2019-01-18 05:03
I can understand accents no problem, but when the guy is mumbling and has the vocabulary of a 12 year old, it's pretty tough. I have absolutely no fucking idea how people like that get employed by the NHS, I guess they're really lacking funding and have to take whatever they can get. There's absolutely no chance that doctor had obtained a degree in the UK.
2019-01-18 05:08
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Sounds like someone has a slight prejudice... But let’s assume you’re not bullshitting - you can base your opinion of a service on one perceived pony experience. You know. The shit Dr who can’t communicate, can’t diagnose or treat, who’s been employed out of desperation... “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.” The Dr you then returned to for two subsequent appointments.... Stop embarrassing yourself.
2019-01-18 05:16
I didn't base it on one experience, I told you I had three bad experiences plus two dental appointments that got messed up. When you have to wait an entire month for your FREE appointment, and it gets fucked up twice, turning the wait time into three months, that's pretty fucking bad.
2019-01-18 05:18
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
So again, I’ll reiterate... you apparently had a dog shit Dr, yet went back to him another two times. You’re a fool. Two dental appointments that got messed up? So you got rebooked, you had to wait? Diddums. Guess what, go to one of the hundreds of other NHS dental surgeries. Can’t wait? Be seen the same day by an emergency dentist. Not an emergency and don’t want to wait? Go private.
2019-01-18 05:23
Do you understand how appointments work? You go to the GP, tell them your issue and they send you to the doctor. They sent me to the same one twice, and the third time I finally got one that could put together a sentence, but all he did was look at me, pretty much say that he doesn't know what the solution to my problem could be, and that was it. Ofc you'll say once again that I'm bullshitting, but I don't really care, just sharing my dogshit experience. If it calms your nerves, it's not any better in Canada. Free healthcare sucks.
2019-01-18 05:26
And there's plenty of gofundmes from Americans because they can't even get the treatment they need in their own country.
2019-01-18 04:44
People here are retarded and create a gofundmes for anything. “I crashed my car, please give me money”
2019-01-18 04:46
"I have a serious medical condition and can't afford treatment" is a retarded case then, alright.
2019-01-18 04:46
If you have life threatening medical condition doctors by law are required to treat you even if you don’t have a single dollar to your name.
2019-01-18 04:50
And then get tens of thousands of dollars in debt because of something you can't influence. Great! It's also totally not like there's people in the US who refuse to take get a ride to the hospital because they even demand money for that. great private sector!
2019-01-18 04:51
Anyone can get emergency care in the US, sure you might go into debt, but you'll survive. Private healthcare is always better quality than government based healthcare, it's simply how markets work. This is why a lot of treatments offered in US aren't even available in UK. Not to mention this "free" healthcare is paid by through taxes, so if american's weren't fucking retarded they would have some money saved up for emergencies.
2019-01-18 04:47
"Anyone can get emergency care in the US, sure you might go into debt, but you'll survive. " Oh how great, people drowning in deaths because they got a disease. The private sector really works great.. If you only care about profits. Nobody is argueing that the private sector can produce better results, the problem is that the private sector only does that when it profits from it. Obviously many people can't afford healthcare in the US, if the private sector really was that great, there wouldn't be over 8% uninsured people in the US.
2019-01-18 04:50
If you want EVERYONE to be able to get "free" healthcare, forever, it's simply impossible. It's paid for through taxes, unless you want to be taxed like 80%, on an average income, it'll always be unsustainable. IMO it's your own responsibility to have money saved up for emergencies, not to mention it's pretty rare for something to go wrong medically. For those who are too incompetent, or have disabilities etc. and need more freuqent care, there's always insurance.
2019-01-18 04:54
" If you want EVERYONE to be able to get "free" healthcare, forever, it's simply impossible. It's paid for through taxes, unless you want to be taxed like 80%, on an average income," Never said it's "free" I know it's paid for by taxes but you don't need a taxrate that high as can be seen by most European contries. " IMO it's your own responsibility to have money saved up for emergencies, " And what if you don't have any savings left because you alöready spent them to get treatments? ". For those who are too incompetent, or have disabilities etc. and need more freuqent care, there's always insurance." Now how's somebody who can't work because he's sick supposed to pay for insurance?
2019-01-18 04:57
Dude, you're pretending, right? This thread was started to point of how it isn't working that well in European countries. If you don't have money because you already used it all on treatment - sounds like this person either got very unlucky or is the perfect candidate for health insurance, if they require it frequently. There's always government / company benefits, you get sick pay if you're sick / ill for an extended period of time and can't go into work. Lots of workplaces even offer health insurance.
2019-01-18 05:01
"Dude, you're pretending, right? This thread was started to point of how it isn't working that well in European countries" No this thread was created with the point that it doesn't work in one country of the world because the politicans refuse to fund it. " is the perfect candidate for health insurance, if they require it frequently." You get how insurance works right? They still want to see money from you. Now to tell a 70 old grandma that she should work again just so she can afford treatment for her breastcancer.
2019-01-18 05:02
Imagine unironically thinking it's the tax payers responsibility to save a 70 year old person, who is no longer capable of contributing to society. Maybe I'm a terrible person, but imo that's an absolute waste of resources.
2019-01-18 05:07
imagine thinking it's okay to let somebody die because they're retired. But that's the problem. You only value people by the money they make. If they retire after 40-50 years of hard work, guess they're fucked. Human lives should be more important than saving a few thousand bucks that are peanuts for the state anyway.
2019-01-18 05:09
If you don't have savings after 40 - 50 years of work, then what the fuck were you doing with your money? People with IQ above room temperature tend to plan for the future, especially when they know they'll be too old to earn more money. I don't value people by their money, I'm saying the government probably should, since that's how society works. If you contribute more, you get back more.
2019-01-18 05:10
Society works by letting people die if they don't make enough to get the treatment they need? Maybe it's time we change society.
2019-01-18 05:13
You have to understand that you can't save everyone, and you shouldn't save everyone. Growing population isn't a good thing, and it's mostly happening because people are living TOO long.
2019-01-18 05:15
obviously you can't save anyone, that doesn't mean we should let people die from cureable diseases because some fucks value money of people's lives.
2019-01-18 05:17
If I have to choose between giving government more than 50% of my income to use it inefficiently, in order to save a person who would have died in a natural setting, or keeping that money and enjoying my life, I'd choose the latter every time.
2019-01-18 05:21
You don't need to give the government 50% of your income and you aren't saving one life, you're saving thousands if not millions every year. If the private sector was efficent, the US wouldn't be behind Cuba in terms of healthcare. The US btw already spends more money per capita on healthcare than most european countries and they don't even get universal healthcare.
2019-01-18 05:25
Honestly, if there was just a huge pool of money that gets distributed for healthcare, for those who can't afford it themselves, I'd have no problem contributing a percentage of my income. However, the system currently in place is pretty bad. Unfortunately, people are a bunch of pieces of shit and would abuse the shit out of the system I described, so there's pretty much no winning.
2019-01-18 05:29
What system is shit?
2019-01-18 05:30
Forced taxes, aka robbery.
2019-01-18 05:33
alright then.
2019-01-18 05:33
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Lol. What you’d contribute towards healthcare would be minuscule. If you’re paying 50% tax that’s an issue with your government, it’s by no means representive of the cost of free healthcare.
2019-01-18 05:27
I thought you said European countries are doing it right? A lot of them are paying around 50% of their income in taxes. I'm not surprised those who make a decent amount of money are getting pissed off and looking for loop-holes to stop their money being stolen.
2019-01-18 05:32
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
I’ve not spoke about European countries. Either way, top rate tax payers - there are only 7 EU countries that pay 50% or more, 46 countries top rate payers are less than 50%. You do realise how tax is used, right? You’re acting as if a significant proportion of it is used on a national health service - which is what we’re discussing.
2019-01-18 05:41
I guess it was the other guy who said European countries are good at managing free healthcare. I understand that only a portion of taxes contributes towards healthcare, but that's the main source of funding. Hence, the main way to improve "free" healthcare, would be to increase taxes or adjust how tax money is used.
2019-01-18 05:46
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
In that case, let’s just write Africa off and pull all NGO’s and charities out, alongside all foreign aid.
2019-01-18 05:18
That unironically sounds like a great idea. What China is doing in Africa sounds much more beneficial, they're buying shitloads of land and creating businesses, providing employment and improving the area, all without wasting tax payer money.
2019-01-18 05:20
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
You make a great rebuttal, especially when you completely contradict yourself.
2019-01-18 05:24
You clearly didn't even understand my point. Read #98, maybe that makes it clearer.
2019-01-18 05:30
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
No need to, to summarise #81 you say we can’t save everyone and people are living too long, therefore those that can’t afford it should be left behind to die. By this logic it’s analogous with pulling out of Africa. You then contradict this by saying that China is doing the right thing by improving quality of life and providing economic opportunities by private investment in Africa, instead of using public money.
2019-01-18 05:35
You can really see when someone's out of points to make, when they try to "get you" through the way you phrased something. Holy shit. China isn't doing this out of the kindness of their heart, they're making a fucking killing, and the improvement they're bringing to Africa is just a side effect.
2019-01-18 05:39
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
I don’t know why you’re bothering talking about China. What you said on #81 is analogous with pulling out of Africa completely and leaving them to suffer and perish. You hold that view?
2019-01-18 05:43
If a civilization has failed to advance for thousands of years, maybe they're a lost cause. I'm not sure how the China part is irrelevant though, since you keep pushing taxes/government intervention, and I'm saying private sector is the way to go.
2019-01-18 05:47
>china's buying lands in africa >not wasting tax payers money Where do you think the money comes from? It's great shortterm, in the long term it won't. Most of Africa will belong to China and Africa will be dependent on them.
2019-01-18 05:26
Sorry, I shouldn't have said China itself, but Chinese companies. Although, I think the country itself is also buying land, but it's paying for itself mutiple times over, so I'm not sure if I'd call that a waste of tax payer's money.
2019-01-18 05:30
"Years of underinvestment have resulted in longer waiting times, critical staff shortages and “substantial deficits” that have been covered up by raiding funds for long-term reform, an NAO review found. These factors “do not add up to a picture that we can describe as sustainable”, it said." The problem isn't universal healthcare. the problem ist that brits keep voting for tories who don't want to fund it. US doesn't have universal healthcare and how is that working out for you? Lower life expectancy than the socialist shithole called Cuba. Oh and Cuba also has a lower infant mortality rate. The US is one of the richest countries in the world but it's healthcare system can't even keep up with Cuba lmao.
2019-01-18 04:37
You’re comparing people with health care to people who don’t. If you have a job other than working at McDonald’s you get health insurance.
2019-01-18 04:41
No, I'm comparing two systems because you believe one is better. Not everybody being insured is a flaw of your system, you can't just exclude them from the statistics so your system sounds better.
2019-01-18 04:43
It’s not a flaw in the system. It’s to encourage you to want to move up the hierarchy. Work at McDonald’s, you don’t get health care because that’s a job for high schoolers. Get a career get health care. Life isn’t a hand out. You don’t get a trophy because you’re alive. You either work for something or you don’t get it.
2019-01-18 04:45
Or we just could make sure everybody gets the treatment they need? There's no reason to let people just die just because they "only" work at McDonalds.
2019-01-18 04:46
So those who work more have to support those who chose not to? It’s all fine and dandy for people to scream RAISE TAXES SO I CAN GET FREE STUFF! When they don’t pay taxes anyways.
2019-01-18 04:49
You just said that people working at MCdonalds don't get healthcare. So people working are supporting other people who are working. There's some people who can't work because they are sick, guess they're just fucked right. Maybe we should start caring more about other humans than about profits.
2019-01-18 04:52
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
We’ll see how that “career” health care pans out when he gets steam rolled by a HGV, ends up in a wheelchair and has to start working at McDonalds.
2019-01-18 04:50
As if he cares. As long as private insurances make profits, everything's fine.
2019-01-18 04:54
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2019-01-18 04:58
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Judging by your ill informed and ignorant comments, you by no means have a career, sunshine. But yes, enjoy paying through the nose for your health care for the remainder of your life in your dreamworld.
2019-01-18 04:57
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Oh, you edited your #58 post that said you had a career that meant you get 85% of your pay for the rest of your life if you were to be incapacitated... Changed your mind?
2019-01-18 05:00
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Canada tabar_nak 
it’s the common US ‘thought’ - “oh man, more taxes? this is some commie bullshit! i ain’t paying for other people!” although to be fair, the US has a multitude of other problems to deal with first, namely the ridiculous levels of corruption in the private sector AND public sector
2019-01-18 05:04
Great, you have a career. Maybe some people don't want a career. Maybe some people like just driving a train because that's what they always wanted. Should we let them die because they didn't try to become the next billionaire?
2019-01-18 04:58
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Like his mum who worked three jobs to put him through school and college? She shouldn’t get healthcare, ‘cos poor and no career! Unless that wasn’t the case, and he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth - in which case why the fuck is he talking 😂
2019-01-18 04:59
fucker deleted his comment lmao
2019-01-18 05:01
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Of course, his autism ran away from him and he had a sudden realisation of how much shit posting he was doing.
2019-01-18 05:06
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
As said above ^. I don’t like Labour, but Tories are traditionally upper middle and upper class, they’re money makers. Privatisation for them is the goal. All public services, including the NHS, have been ravaged by the Tories. Even May’s husband has significant shares in G4S whom have won contracts in the prison sector and are gradually taking over certain Police roles as privitisation creeps in.
2019-01-18 04:45
#60
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United States litdabber21 
i think maybe i wouldnt want that if private health care wasnt ass
2019-01-18 04:57
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Canada tabar_nak 
a lot of things wont work in the us because “shit is fucked, yall”. gun control? you mean somehow taking away the guns from like a couple million people? lol “you know, why don’t you just do this or that? every other country does it!” unfortunate that this statement isn’t feasible with the united states
2019-01-18 05:01
#79
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Finland no_man 
there should be public and private health care
2019-01-18 05:11
#88
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Indeed
2019-01-18 05:19
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Luxembourg fossii 
Maybe
2019-01-18 05:17
#85
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Australia vamped 
Works fine for us. If I get sick or hurt in ANY way I just walk into a hospital and get anything I need completely free. If it means I need a bed for two weeks then so be it. You don’t even get charged for the meals they provide.
2019-01-18 05:18
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