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DEVICE THIRD??
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Europe Pallz 
COULD HE BE THIRD??? OR IS HE GONNA BE SECOND FOR FIRST???? COMMENT DOWN BELLOW
2019-01-18 08:46
#1
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Europe Pallz 
BELOW*
2019-01-18 08:46
#2
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Europe duden 
obv 2nd, why does it matter anyway
2019-01-18 08:47
He's got too many MVP awards to be 3rd. It will be 3.Niko 2.Dev1ce 1.S1mple
2019-01-18 08:47
#4
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Israel TimeDani 
Niko second carried faze to major Boston
2019-01-18 08:48
Expected from faze fan
2019-01-18 08:50
guardian man not niko i mean they both but guardian was better
2019-01-18 09:00
#16
woxic | 
Turkey cemc_ 
expected from russian
2019-01-18 09:06
#18
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Israel unsolid 
Expected expectation from turkey
2019-01-18 09:10
#41
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Estonia Mrkruvi 
Expect the expected
2019-01-18 09:52
#46
720 | 
Poland Skrra 
Expected Patronum
2019-01-18 09:55
Expected 720 blaze it
2019-01-18 10:57
#26
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Israel TimeDani 
Yeah but guardian is 13 and he only carried faze once niko carries faze all year especially now when guardian is bad
2019-01-18 09:22
#43
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Germany thebestchen 
niko carries faze to spot 7 behind nip... good job from him
2019-01-18 09:54
#83
device | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo 
carried them to lose vs bot9 LUL
2019-01-18 10:41
#105
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Israel TimeDani 
They won vs cloud9 every bo3 until the major not there’s fault rain and karrigan choked on some major dick
2019-01-18 14:18
#103
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New Zealand Eauor 
Actually, it was GuardiaN lmao.
2019-01-18 11:10
#104
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Israel TimeDani 
#26
2019-01-18 11:26
#5
ScreaM | 
Guatemala nawledge 
device*
2019-01-18 08:48
after 17 top20 articles people still think mvps mean smth XDDDDDDDDD
2019-01-18 09:12
#55
Nast1a | 
Czech Republic teguP 
nobody reads those anyway
2019-01-18 10:20
yeah, better cluck on forums about device's mvps
2019-01-18 10:21
#47
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Korea EraXYT 
+1
2019-01-18 09:56
#6
ScreaM | 
Guatemala nawledge 
s1mple deserves #1 but ecovice will get it unfortunately
2019-01-18 08:49
#13
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Europe r3krut 
no, i don't think so. We saw it already what they did to dupreeh, and they are not like "oh he's from our country so we put him in the first place" S1mple is much better player, and he makes his team to be top2 right now. Device have just good skilled team8s and that's why he have so much mvp's this year. He would not do that like s1mple does with navi
2019-01-18 09:04
u really think dupreeh is better than elec? To be honest, device isn't the best player on astralis, i think dupreeh and elec are on the same level. But if device gets #1 then the whole thing is rigged. They won more but s1mple is a thousand times better than device.
2019-01-18 09:11
If elec and dupreeh are on the same level why is elec on #4 with way more achievements etc.? I sill put dupreeh over elec, elec has potential etc. but the level dupreeh showed us in his specific role was just insane in my opinion.
2019-01-18 10:20
true, elec is prolly #4 because astralis already have 5 really good players whilst navi have 2.
2019-01-18 10:21
astralis 1000 points navi 457 points saying that navi is top 2 is a bit of exaggeration, cuz it doesnt show the real 'virtual' placement
2019-01-18 09:30
They are #2 atm no matter how much the point difference is And wtf is virtual placement??
2019-01-18 09:55
they matter, cuz in point wise navi is closer to being top 30 than being top 1
2019-01-18 09:58
#59
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World Damon1174 
but so is every other fuckin team lol
2019-01-18 10:23
#60
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Europe r3krut 
Idk if u dont understand me or? I just said that s1mple "MAKES" his team to be top2 They have just 5 great players that all are invidual good. If navi had 1 player that is good igl, and have good invidual skills. They would beat the fuck out of Astralis Zeus will retire = they need good igl with good invidual skills -edward +mou Saying that Navi issnt top 2 just becouse they have 500 points diffrence is retarded and stupid as fuck
2019-01-18 10:24
#28
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Sweden deltaCSGO 
Can u say that one more time hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp..
2019-01-18 09:27
s1mple is waayyyyy better than device, but it wouldn't surprise me if ecovice actually got #1 even though s1mple is a lot better. Don't get me wrong, I never said that ecovice was better, I only said that it won't surprise me if he got #1 because the rankings have been complete bullshit before.
2019-01-18 09:28
#31
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Sweden deltaCSGO 
hltv danish website :/
2019-01-18 09:29
exactly
2019-01-18 09:30
wonder why cloud9 won boston American tournament
2019-01-18 09:58
#79
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
tournament depends on form ranking on the will of some guys
2019-01-18 10:37
#62
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Europe r3krut 
He will be top #1 If they make dupreeh top5 and elec top4 ez top1 for s1mgod
2019-01-18 10:26
Sigh.
2019-01-18 11:09
#7
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Greenland MadsMisKat 
CLICK THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON AGAIN PLEASE -WHY ARE YOU YELLING?!!!
2019-01-18 08:49
#42
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Estonia Mrkruvi 
SO WE COULD HEAR HIM BETTER!! HAVE A NICE DAY
2019-01-18 09:53
#9
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Europe r3krut 
tbh device can be the third guy hahahaha hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3741/NiKo.. stats saying that niko was much better player on lan than device he got 2 mvps this year too
2019-01-18 08:58
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3741/NiKo.. LMAO THAT IMPACT FROM DEVICE AHAHAHA DANES BE LIKE HE IS TOP 1 OR TOP 2 BUT IN REALITY HE IS A BIG ZERO XD
2019-01-18 09:05
when will it be announced?
2019-01-18 08:59
#12
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Greenland MadsMisKat 
8pm CET
2019-01-18 09:03
thank you
2019-01-18 09:10
#14
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Europe r3krut 
20:00
2019-01-18 09:05
thank you
2019-01-18 09:11
#39
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India Bob__ 
19:00 GMT
2019-01-18 09:48
thank you
2019-01-18 09:54
#17
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Netherlands WitnessMe 
He third NiKo second s1mple first
2019-01-18 09:07
#21
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Europe r3krut 
would be so fuking great
2019-01-18 09:11
I can bet my house that niko will get #3
2019-01-18 09:12
#25
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Netherlands WitnessMe 
Probably true, but he has earned #2.
2019-01-18 09:17
yeah, the thing is that device has so many good players on his team, magisk, gla1ve, xyp (one of the best clutch players of all time) dupreeh, in my opinion device isn't the best player on his team. Basically all their players are good, even their igl got in the top10, that's the first time an in game leader has been in the top 10 if you don't count xizt in 2k13. FaZe however have 3 players that can carry the whole game, rain, niko or guardian.
2019-01-18 09:23
#34
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Netherlands WitnessMe 
Yup, honestly people just praise device because they know it will trigger anyone who has at least some understanding of the game. Device only gets these stats because his team chooses to play this way. What I'm getting at is that device in his team is replaceable, but all the other team members aren't. Any other of the aforementioned players can't be replaced without consequences though.
2019-01-18 09:31
exactly, plus he isn't the reason why they're winning so much. Sure he is a very good player but he has never really been their main carry, unlike navi where elec and s1mple have to carry them everytime, in terms of individual skill s1mple is a thousand times better than device so if device gets #1 then hltv rankings are complete bullshit. I bet device will get #1 just to trigger people, and if he does there will be a thousand threads made by astralis fans saying shit like " HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH DEVICE>s1mple EZ CALLED IT " Even though they know that s1mple deserves it. FaZe is a bit like navi (just a bit) They have 3 main carries, rain niko and guardian. Navi has 2, s1mple and electronic. How many do astralis have? Zero, because they are all good players both individually and gamesense wise. It's not like they're winning because device drops 30's and 40's every game. if s1mple has a bad day (which is uncommon) Na'vi wont win unless electronic goes god mode, flamie isn't as good as he was back in 2k15, edward is a support player so he can't really do much, zeus has always been bad in terms of fragging, obviously he's a very good igl but still.
2019-01-18 09:41
#36
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Netherlands WitnessMe 
Exactly, even head to head the stats of both Niko and simple are better than devices.
2019-01-18 09:42
+1
2019-01-18 09:42
#50
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Denmark MeToxi 
Just to be clear. I agree that s1mple is better. What I don't agree with is your logic. What you're doing is destroying his legacy. I get it, device doesn't play like other awpers but in no way is he replaceable. To an outsider it may look like that but to a person who actually watches most games and have followed the scene for years, it doesn't. Just ask all the experts and let's see what they say. Also, don't glorify the other players just because it fits your argument. Device is clearly the best on Astralis. Maybe not in peak performance but as a player in 2018 he is. He played the best in 2018 period. Compare if you'd like: hltv.org/stats/players/events/7398/dupre.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/9032/Magis.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/7412/gla1v.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/4954/Xyp9x.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/7592/devic.. I don't expect that you'd wanna watch through several matches they lost and several matched they won just to analyze who played well and who didn't so just look at the ratings of events.
2019-01-18 10:12
I don't agree that he's the best player on astralis, and he is NOT the reason why astralis are winning so much.
2019-01-18 10:13
#53
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Denmark MeToxi 
Several series they lost, they only did so because device isn't constant carry player like s1mple.
2019-01-18 10:14
lol no, if navi loses something it's because s1mple and elec didn't perform, everyone in astralis are really good players. As I said b4, gla1ve is the first (if you dont count xizt) in game leader to ever get in to the top 10, but the fact that you say " astralis lost because device didnt carry them " First of all device doesn't need to carry them in order for them to win, second of all 4 of astralis's players are in the top10 which proves that they don't really have a guy who carries them 24/7.
2019-01-18 10:19
#66
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Denmark MeToxi 
You noticed! I just did the exact opposite of what you're doing. I overrated him in the same amount that you underrate him. Actually. I overrated him way less than you underrated him so nevermind. You're kinda a hypocrit you know. You obviously don't think that device deserves top 10 but you still uses astralis players in top 10 to justify your arguments. So you only use the rankings as facts when it suits you and when it don't... well then it is propaganda.
2019-01-18 10:31
How is that me being a fucking hypocrite? WHEN did i say that device don't deserve top 10? OF COURSE he deserves top 10, but i meant top 1 incase u didnt read.
2019-01-18 10:33
#73
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Denmark MeToxi 
You kinda implied it in the comments on this thread. "He's not the best on astralis", "He is replaceable" bla bla, Top 10 players for instance is NOT replaceable.
2019-01-18 10:34
I didn't say hes replaceable tho
2019-01-18 10:35
#76
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Denmark MeToxi 
You agreed with someone who did. Same thing as saying it yourself.
2019-01-18 10:35
who said i agreed with all he said?
2019-01-18 10:35
#80
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Denmark MeToxi 
"exactly, plus he isn't the reason why they're winning so much." Actually i just noticed what you said after that but you're kinda contradicting yourself with what you write. Like ecovice and stuff is a typical baiter thing to say yet you say it. Then suddenly you say he's a good player but not their best.
2019-01-18 10:38
I never said he was a baiter, I called him ecovice because he gets lotta eco frags, do the enemies come to him? No, he rushes them. He IS a good player, but he's not the best player on astralis and he's not a big ass carry like s1mple.
2019-01-18 10:39
#82
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Denmark MeToxi 
1. Every awper gets eco frags since they need the money for awps 2. Device doesn't eco frag more than any other awper 3. Device doesn't even eco frag any more than his teammates.
2019-01-18 10:41
1. Correct, they do, but device gets the most eco frags. 2. Yes he does 3. not true.
2019-01-18 10:41
#86
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Denmark MeToxi 
Feel free to prove it.
2019-01-18 10:45
no need to
2019-01-18 10:48
#88
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Denmark MeToxi 
Exactly. You can't. Since you're making the accusations, it is you who need to back up your claims. If you can't then it probably isn't true. Which it isn't in this case.
2019-01-18 10:49
HAhahahaha, and how can you prove that any other awper eco frags more than him?
2019-01-18 10:50
#90
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Denmark MeToxi 
I don't need to. Everyone eco frags the same until otherwise proven. That is default western thinking.
2019-01-18 10:51
exactly, you cant prove it either :)
2019-01-18 10:52
#92
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Denmark MeToxi 
What is there to prove? It is a given. If you say otherwise that makes you biased. Kinda ironic, don't you think?
2019-01-18 10:53
not really, and no im not biased.
2019-01-18 10:53
#94
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Denmark MeToxi 
If you say so
2019-01-18 10:54
y
2019-01-18 10:54
#69
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Denmark MeToxi 
Actually, you could probably learn from this twitter.com/SPUNJ/status/108619083725873.. It doesn't matter who the most mechanically best player is, all that matters is who performed the best.
2019-01-18 10:33
Yeah and s1mple performed best even though navi didn't win much lol
2019-01-18 10:34
#74
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Denmark MeToxi 
I agree
2019-01-18 10:34
#29
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Denmark shoksCS 
Honestly, I don't think mvps and trophies matter enough for dev1ce to be number one, but surely enough for him to be second. Achievements matter, but not as much as people make them out to do.
2019-01-18 09:28
#52
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Denmark MeToxi 
MVPs and EVPs is after all individual achievements and represents how well they played at certain events. Though they don't matter much outside of representation as for instance many of device's MVPs were close ones.
2019-01-18 10:14
#68
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Denmark shoksCS 
Didn't mean to include the part about mvps. I only meant to write trophies, and somehow fucked it
2019-01-18 10:33
DOWN BELOW
2019-01-18 09:45
#40
kennyS | 
Indonesia kitsugi 
2nd
2019-01-18 09:49
#63
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Germany GqLqXY 
3.Device 2. NiKo 1. S1mple
2019-01-18 10:27
For those who really think that Niko could be 2nd: twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1080079391932.. From the last sentence you can understand, that race not between Niko and S1mple, obviously between S1mple and Device. Their stats are pretty same (Niko and Device), Niko has slightly better stats but device's achievemnts > Niko's small stats advantage, when the s1mple has a WAY better stats than both of them.
2019-01-18 10:29
If for some reason Device is third, then s1mple #1 100%
2019-01-18 10:36
#85
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Yugoslavia mrmojo 
Niko 3rd and he shouldn't even be 3rd, both electronci and dupreeh did more this year.
2019-01-18 10:42
#96
Indonesia Elce 
Top 2 Niko in 3 But i don't know, which one in 1st place. S1mple or device S1mple better at rating, but device better at archivement
2019-01-18 10:54
#98
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Germany scashxor 
dev1ce > s1mple > niko
2019-01-18 10:57
at this point everyone could be #1 if i look the top20 so far, its complete bullshit .
2019-01-18 11:00
#101
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Korea AlexeS5386 
The thing is, Niko and Device are pretty similar stat wise, this is a fact. But... Device has quite a fair amount of MVP's while Niko does not. This means that though the stats suggest they are pretty even, that might not really be the whole picture, Device has actually been the better player throughout the year. Of course you could say "well simple does not have that many MVP's but he will still be top 1" That might be true, could also be the case that it isn't, point is that with simple there is no argument that he isn't more mechanically skilled than Device. Where as throughout the year you could argue that what Device and Niko has shown is pretty similar, and combined with Device having quite a fair amount of MVP's this does give him the clear advantage. (I have tried to be as objective as possible) Now ending comment (my own subjective thoughts) Somehow I kinda hope Device gets nr.1 even though I know it most likely won't happen as this might be the last real shot he has at nr. 1 spot (not because he is bad or can't improve, but because of all the talent in the pro scene and players like simple, elec and other really skilled players) Should Device end up in 3rd place that would be a real scandal, because nothing really speaks for him being in 3rd place instead of 2nd place. And before you comment stop with the "HLTV is a danish site so of course they will be subjective" If you seriously believe that, then you must not know CS or how HLTV works.
2019-01-18 11:03
1-fer 2-fallen 3-device
2019-01-18 14:19
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