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Vitality is the Same
Happy | 
United States KinglyFish 
Zywoo carries and they barely win against Valiance, this has literally happened almost the exact same way twice now, I don't see the difference from when they kicked Happy. It's the same shit except maybe worse because at least Happy did well sometimes and won them games, ALEX seems to be consistently mediocre and doesn't really add much. It's pretty obvious NBK probably put all the blame for the team's failures on Happy so he could keep IGLing.
2019-01-20 00:34
I don't really care for the team one way or another now that Happy is gone, this is just my unbiased opinion. I think Zywoo and apEX deserve better tbh. Ideal lineup: Happy (IGL), kennyS, NBK, apEX, Zywoo. I don't think Happy is a great IGL, but I think he's their best option. His mid round calls are definitely more accurate than anyone else of the FR scene.
2019-01-20 00:36
nbk igl, and -happy + shox btw, happy and nbk both sux but i don't know a better igl and player than these 2, maybe ex6tenz...
2019-01-20 00:39
Shox is even worse than the both of them. He's lucky kennyS is stuck on his team, that's really it.
2019-01-20 00:43
ur 10 iq
2019-01-20 00:44
lmao you're 5 IQ then. No one thinks Shox is even a passable IGL. Good player, but not a good IGL. Fans who encourage Shox to IGL are actually hurting his chances to make a comeback. He's bad at it and should stick to where his skillset is, real fans would just tell it to him straight.
2019-01-20 00:48
the only french igl who win big tournament since 3 years you blind guy
2019-01-20 01:31
I actually don't know if you're referring to Shox, Happy, or NBK. Because this applies to basically all of them at some level if you don't include very rare good tournament runs that happened once every 3 years.
2019-01-20 01:33
#61
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Japan Cute_Loli 
When did NBK win a big tourney being igl in last 2 year when did happy win a big tourney being igl in last 2 year shox won 2 last year being igl
2019-01-20 01:50
I did say there were some exceptions, but old G2 was a failure. Those were just some inconsistent tournament runs, nothing that lasted for over a week lol.
2019-01-20 02:37
MEGALUL NBK win big tournament as IGL ???? when ??? 0 time in all his life Happy yes but when ? LUL
2019-01-20 02:19
Never said he ever won any big tournaments as IGL, just that he didn't win any in the past 3 years. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
2019-01-20 02:36
lmao you're 5 IQ then. No one thinks Shox is even a passable IGL. Good player, but not a good IGL. Fans who encourage Shox to IGL are actually hurting his chances to make a comeback. He's bad at it and should stick to where his skillset is, real fans would just tell it to him straight.
2019-01-20 00:48
double posted for some reason, ignore.
2019-01-20 00:49
maybe shox igl, and + bodyy
2019-01-20 00:40
NBK > bodyy I don't like NBK, bodyy seems like a more chill person, but I can't deny the facts, NBK is a probably a better player.
2019-01-20 00:44
+1
2019-01-20 01:49
Please tell me why is apeX somehow good? He is second worst after alex.
2019-01-20 00:52
Honestly he's dropped off since Happy left a lot. When Happy was around he was pulling a 1.2+ rating pretty consistently. I think Happy helped with the IGLing and knew how to use apEX. NBK just has to do everything now and can't set up apEX properly. I don't think apEX is bad, you can't expect a good player to perform if the strategy is bad.
2019-01-20 00:57
I just dont think that IGL has that big influence on them. I doubt that the way he has to play has changed that much.
2019-01-20 00:58
He definitely was better when Happy was around. Idk if it was a coincidence (maybe, but I doubt it). I can't really tell you why it happened because I'm not on the team, but apEX was doing better before. He probably is playing the same, maybe the rest of the team changed their playstyle and that's messing him up idk.
2019-01-20 01:00
Like idk, i am not watching them that much. But rn he is playing not that good.
2019-01-20 01:04
Yeah I can agree with that.
2019-01-20 01:13
He’s one of the best entry fraggers of all time and if he is the one who gives zywoo all the power and space to make him an absolute god
2019-01-20 02:53
#2
Sweden hoey 
bro alex joined like a month ago give him some time to get comfortable
2019-01-20 00:37
#3
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United States blinDi 
happy fan boy in 2018 omegalul
2019-01-20 00:39
2018 in 2019 LUL
2019-01-20 00:48
BLANK IN CURRENT YEAR omegalul Oh wait you didn't even get the current year part right. :/
2019-01-20 00:58
Vitality is trash team of washed up players. Without zywoo they are nothing, they gonna be trashed by any tier 1 team on the major. Even tho Valiance did some pretty fucking stupid mistakes, Vitality didn't deserve this win.
2019-01-20 00:39
I honestly feel bad for Zywoo. If Faze had any brains they'd pick him up in a few years. Niko + Zywoo would be deadly, hopefully Zywoo learns English eventually. Zywoo is the only one who deserves to be at the major honestly.
2019-01-20 00:42
#82
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Brazil yalamix 
+1
2019-01-20 03:26
happy is dead man deal with it, we are not in 2015 anymore, The fucked up huge cs potentials, he used them to be able to frag like xms, hadji and more. He even fucked one of the greatest cs aimer confidence Scream. And to all who jsut flame NBK, the is one of the most complete cs player that ever played the game
2019-01-20 00:43
I don't like NBK as a person, all these shady French shuffles always seem to happen around him. But, I can't deny his skill, he is very complete as a player. Scream did good under Happy, if anyone fucked his confidence it was Shox. He literally booted Scream off the superteam during Scream's prime. Saying Happy did it is ridiculous.
2019-01-20 00:46
I thought shox said he didn't take him because he stopped following shox's calls
2019-01-20 00:51
Scream is a disciplined player, I doubt he'd do that. Scream's been desperate to get on a decent French team his entire career, I doubt he'd piss off Shox for no reason and ruin his chances.
2019-01-20 00:52
+1 ScreaM has an interview on it and iirc he had a very different take on why they went separate ways. I think it was more shox ego than anything with ScreaM “stealing” attention
2019-01-20 01:44
That's more along the lines what I'd expect.
2019-01-20 01:46
#20
tabseN | 
Germany NatsuS 
Without happy french cs will always be tier 2/3 teams. As I said before. You need some kind of players to have a team that can succeed. Like Fallen for brazil. Pronax for fnatic. Or GobB for Germany to have at least one international team in the top tournaments. And NBK is many things but not a good leader
2019-01-20 00:54
Definitely, people always make fun of GobB for his bad fragging (at least they used to). But, he's clearly the most important player on BIG. Every player on BIG can be replaced even if its a slight downgrade, Gob is irreplaceable. Happy was a good IGL, but also the best fragger by far on every team he was on in his prime. French CS will probably suck from now on.
2019-01-20 00:55
Happy was not better than kennyS or apEX during his prime. apEX would drop 50 against the greatest team of all time fnatic in a 2 map bo3 Kenny is self explanatory
2019-01-20 02:57
Lmao you sound like you started playing in 2016. Maybe not kennyS, but Happy was definitely better than apEX in his prime. Happy was the first IGL to take home a major MVP. apEX didn't even do as well as Happy in the major he won, even though Happy was still IGL. Dude come on lol.
2019-01-20 03:00
would def. more say a nbk shox or kennyS, what have happy achived last 2 years, expect "lurking", which was more baiting, i don't think some french player still havec confidence in him
2019-01-20 00:58
#34
tabseN | 
Germany NatsuS 
And this a problem for the French players. They are toxic. You know this is the difference between them and all the good other "nation" or teams. They listen to such people even if they really disagree with their leading because they know otherwise they will never have success. So you can play all the minor win some money and be satisfied or you try to reach more and all French shuffle have already given up that. Zywoo if he learns English should go in a year otherwise he will be toxic like NBK. Who really think he is so good. If you listen to all his interview... the only good opinion he has is about himself he gives a shit about the team or people around him.
2019-01-20 01:03
NBK plays everything but he’s also mediocre-average at everything.
2019-01-20 01:45
0/8 one of the best support players of al time You are clearly delusional if you think happy has done more for the scene than NBK
2019-01-20 02:59
>best supports >has some of the worst flash stats I never said happy is good. The fact you even accused me of that shows who’s not thinking with their head and is delusional
2019-01-20 03:07
Being a support player isn’t all about flash stats His trade fragging with apEX who is also one of the greatest entry fraggers, was crazy
2019-01-20 03:21
So we established his flash stats are pretty trash despite being “Best support” So now he’s a “good” trade fragger? I highly disagree but if that’s the only way he can get kills by baiting then okay. With that logic I’d rather just have ScreaM who played support and can trade much better.
2019-01-20 03:26
#16
tabseN | 
Germany NatsuS 
they should have kicked rpk. This guy will never be able to play for a tournament win. He is so long time pro and evolves zero. Happy has at least a lot more potential and in the right game and situation, he can carry a team in a rough situation even if he plays all the other times average.
2019-01-20 00:48
I'm not even saying Happy is that good anymore, he's clearly past his prime. But, they seriously kept Rpk and kicked Happy. Happy still has a lot of potential to comeback as a good player and he did carry Vitality through some tough spots. Rpk is like ALEX, consistent, consistently mediocre.
2019-01-20 00:51
Rpk was a god in 2017 and got sick. He certainly does more than happy such as throws flashes, is more dedicated, and actually watches demos
2019-01-20 03:23
#85
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United Kingdom Crypt1cSV 
Rpk contributes way more to the team than you give him credit for here.
2019-01-20 03:37
I respect Rpk so no offense to him, but like what?
2019-01-20 04:39
#87
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United Kingdom Crypt1cSV 
He's really reliable, but i cba to type more. Could you read #84 and let me know what you think if that's alright, I spent too much energy on that lol.
2019-01-20 04:44
If teams can't convert pistols its on the IGL. NBK seems to think slow = good, and ends up losing the conversion half the time. Rpk is like ALEX, consistently mediocre. Most of the supporting is done by NBK anyway. I don't see the point of ALEX or Rpk, they're both in roles they're not used to.
2019-01-20 04:46
#23
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Finland Vkims 
Give them more time, even current astralis didnt play good in their first lan together
2019-01-20 00:53
#28
tabseN | 
Germany NatsuS 
the thing is not that they played bad. The thing is they played 1:1 like it was with Happy.
2019-01-20 00:58
#36
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Finland Vkims 
And thats why they need more time. Because they just got alex, they had to put him exactly same places where happy was playing but with time they will change it so its more comfortable
2019-01-20 01:10
Happy is just one player, NBK is leading at the end of the day. You're right, changing a non-IGL isn't gonna make them switch their selfish 1 by 1 playstyle.
2019-01-20 01:16
Actually, they did.
2019-01-20 00:58
#33
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Finland Vkims 
5-8th in starseries is not good
2019-01-20 01:02
And the second lan?
2019-01-20 01:02
#38
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Finland Vkims 
They won. But I was only talking about first lan. And Im not saying vitality=astralis, vitality might need more time to be comfortable than astralis
2019-01-20 01:05
Magisk is a monster. I don't think ALEX can compete. Vitality as a whole isn't as skilled on paper as Astralis obviously.
2019-01-20 01:17
#45
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Finland Vkims 
What I tried to say was that there is no point on judging team which has played only one lan together
2019-01-20 01:21
Valiance is a solid team, but they would've lost easily if Zywoo didn't carry. Their median skill level right now is below Valiance by a huge margin. That can improve, but they might end up an okay top 20 team at best.
2019-01-20 01:25
#83
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Brazil yalamix 
+1
2019-01-20 03:29
#25
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Other awzaq 
Tbh I love happy but Alex may as well be a upgrade considering happy is the definition of baiter, has a lower KPR and alex didn't have much time on the team
2019-01-20 00:55
ALEX's skill ceiling is so low. Remember when Happy was ALEX's age, he was a monster tactically and skill wise.
2019-01-20 01:27
#64
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France MineCSGO 
for the defence of ALEX. He is currently not playing a role that he is use to. They ask him to be a lurker when he was a leader in the attack. Plus in LDLC they were'nt playing Inferno so it's quit understandable that he struggle a lot on this map (The lurking role is a lot of game sense and feelings. If I don't play a map and I have to play on a lurking way I would be so bad). On the other hand NBK has good relationship with ALEX which make the team "clean". The trust and the ability of the team can only go up from this point. (PS: they are rumors that say that Amanek MAY replace rpk if vitality don't have good achieve in the minor/major. If this happen Alex will be able to play his roal and give the lurk to amanek that is currently the best french lurker)
2019-01-20 02:01
I can agree with most of what's here. I think Amanek's lurking is kinda overrated though. I think top teams will probably read him pretty easily, lurking in general isn't that good anymore. Ask GTR, Hiko, and Happy. ALEX is alright, but he's no Happy. Happy just picked up whatever crap roles he got and was still a god when he was in his prime. I know you're not saying he's the next Happy, he's clearly not, but I don't think anyone on the French scene can fill the role Happy had.
2019-01-20 02:40
#39
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
ALEX is kinda better for Vitality because Happy was not even IGLing. But who cares, didnt change too much still ZywOo is the only one playing well. Sometimes NBK plays well but apEX, RpK and ALEX meh too bad.
2019-01-20 01:06
ALEX is probably worse skill wise even though Happy is in the worst form of his career. And at least Happy's ceiling is insanely high, ALEX is 23 and hasn't shown anything. At his age Happy was an established player who could IGL and carry.
2019-01-20 01:21
Ya I think they played like shit this major, but if you are really trying to act like happy would have done anything but bait is retarded. Every bit of blame for their performance is apex Hes normally their 2/3 star but now hes under a 1.0 rating with nbk being the only other player even above 1.0 Your just blatant hateing on nbk and it kinda makes your argument look shit
2019-01-20 01:08
I think NBK is a very complete player, I just don't like him as a person. Every shady French shuffle seems to have him at the center.
2019-01-20 01:19
Ig even tho hes an insanely humble and genuine guy. And ya when your the king maker of the French scene people want you on their team, so you have your choice of pickings
2019-01-20 01:21
king maker made himself king apparently. What about him makes you think he's humble and genuine?
2019-01-20 01:24
Listen to him talk, and look at his twitter and streams. And ya it's almost like every good French team has had him in it....hmmm
2019-01-20 01:50
Most shady people I knew in real life came off as nice too. I'm not gonna judge someone from their words, but from their actions. It's completely pointless to judge his character based on what he presents on the outside, he has no reason to look like an asshole. Every good French team has had him in it because he's a complete player.
2019-01-20 02:51
Wrong post to reply to, ignore this comment.
2019-01-20 02:54
#52
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France arioneleven 
First things first, They practiced for 10 days and got back or are even better than when happy was on the team. For the moment, they just gave alex 80% of Happy positions in both ct and t They couldn't change everything this fast. Alex isn't a lurker, but he's a great addition for the team in the long term. The team is still doing fine and will become a lot better in the major. Apex is leading the attack group, nbk's making calls, Happy wasn't even giving advices while he was on the team, nbk is still one of the best fixes in the game. Apex is a coinflip, ZywOo is as solid as the best players in the world, Rpk is just solid and reliable, Alex is a great human and a hard worker so I don't have any worries about him. The team will have a top 10 level in a month or two, just wait :)
2019-01-20 01:32
#58
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Denmark Marvelw0w 
l m f a o
2019-01-20 01:47
They need scream
2019-01-20 01:47
I will stop being fans of them if they do
2019-01-20 01:51
Name checks out
2019-01-20 01:54
#69
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Norway PeteZz 
same same but different #verywisequote
2019-01-20 02:41
#70
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Australia weapon_ 
zywoo deserves better..
2019-01-20 02:43
#77
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United States Jammin800k 
I dont understand the NBK hate on this thread their t sides have been good and hes like their 2nd or 3rd best player individually depending on if apex is hitting shots.
2019-01-20 03:01
#84
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United Kingdom Crypt1cSV 
There's definitely benefits and negatives for both, for instance whatever ALEX has done has seriously improved Vitality's Dust II, as that was definitely not a good map for them before. However the Inferno is struggling now and we're yet to see Overpass, which I think could be their best map. The main problem Vitality have at the moment is getting/converting pistol rounds, as in the game today Valiance won the equivalent of ALL of the pistol rounds, which is shocking and makes me think why they have to make the game so hard for themselves. But anyway, we'll see what happens tomorrow since the same thing happened against North with them losing the equivalent of I think either 3/4 or all 4 pistols again there which caused them to lose big time.
2019-01-20 03:31
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