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Reasons why im a Leftist
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I always wanted to know what are the reasons people are left or right wings with a consistent point of view , not that cliche argument where you choose your political view blaming on the other side. So here is why I'm a leftist and you tell me yours based on your political agenda, you cant blame the left or right -Universal health care ( health care should be a right of every citizen ) -Free University ( Imagine if you have to pay for high school just like back in the 40s ) -Ban on assault rifles ( its not a toy, small dickies ) -Church should pay taxes ( some leftist think that way, I hate religion ) -Right to abort ( although I think you are a slut if you do so and not use the right protection ) -Clime change is real ( humans are treating earth like garbage, it doesn't matter if you believe or not, I don't wanna see clime change deniers trashing the ocean and polluting the air I breath ) -Clean energy ( because evolution with happen eventually. I don't understand why when we have a free source of energy, why people are insisting and make fossil fuel companies richer and richer, the sun, wind and ocean provide us energy, how long more we will act like a caveman ) -Legalize Marijuana ( Its safer than alcohol and cigarettes ) -Gay Marriage ( Why not , Fuck the bible ) Immigration is a big topic, I don't have a solid point of view but I'm a son of Italian family that migrated to Brazil that migrated to USA, and I already wanna live somewhere else in Europe lol. This is some of the thinks that makes me a leftist, tell me your reason.
2019-01-21 22:04
I want to see a post like this from a rightard lmao they usually have no arguments besides "muh refugees"
2019-01-21 22:06
#2
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Brazil BrazilNA 
This is why I have posted this, All I hear from the rightist is about immigration or blaming the left about something lol
2019-01-21 22:11
#7
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Just like left blames right.
2019-01-21 22:17
#80
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United States AproximateCS 
People always blame other people, it's easier than blaming yourself
2019-01-21 23:14
#230
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United States flybywire12 
+1
2019-01-22 03:28
But it's rare to read "fucking rightist" on HLTV Whereas "fucking leftist"... Well it happens quite often
2019-01-22 08:57
fucking leftist
2019-01-22 16:09
fucking rightist Oh shit I said it
2019-01-22 16:43
welcome to the club
2019-01-22 16:44
#331
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Hltv is more right winged, but in general you hear leftist blaming right. For example I have no clue which event started it, but in the U.S leftist people were hoaxing some school boys who had maga hats and beef (?) With some leftist or something. Which triggered awful comments from leftist telling people personally attack these kids and burn the school. Covington Catholic school case? If I remember right.
2019-01-22 22:21
1) Covington Catholic high school wasn't fake, the kids were actually insulting a native American veteran and wearing the MAGA hats (though this is irrelevant). What they did was terrible and must be condemned. Some of the outrage was justifiable, calls for them to be expelled or the school to punish them are fair enough, what they did was unacceptable. Equally, those making threats against these students or the school are just as terrible or perhaps even worse. They must also be condemned. However, the left didn't make this up and those making threats made up a tiny minority that engage in bad behaviour, but this can be expected in any group of large size but they don't represent the vast majority. 2) The idea that leftists blame the right more than the reverse is unknown. Do you have any statistics to back that up. Based off the fact that both groups are about the same size and oppose each other then it should be expected they blame each other about equally. Look at the US government shutdown as an example. Both sides are currently trying to justify how all problems are due to the other side.
2019-01-22 23:03
#340
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
I didn't say they made it up, I know it happened, but I was unsure about background. I agree kids need some kind of a punishment, but doxing them, telling to attack them and burn the school is way too far, these tweets were made by blue marks (these that I mentioned)
2019-01-23 21:49
When you said "hoaxing some schoolboys" I thought you meant that the event was fake but I presume you mean "doxing some schoolboys".
2019-01-23 22:08
#343
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Oh yes, I miss wrote that, thought process messed up.
2019-01-23 22:10
HAHAHA Leftists have nothing to stand for...they are just against the right wing. Thats pretty much their existence. And not all rightwingers are the same.
2019-01-22 09:12
Care to elaborate?
2019-01-22 09:22
HAHAHA rightists have nothing to stand for...they are just against the left wing. Thats pretty much their existence. And not all leftwingers are the same.
2019-01-22 23:04
#9
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Just like leftists pull tolerancy card every time and calls right racists based on total bs.
2019-01-21 22:18
That's what SJWs do. SJWs aren't leftists. SJWs are just idiot college students who think they know everything about society.
2019-01-22 23:05
#341
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
They fall in same category, those SWJs say they that they leftist and support leftist ideologies, then I see them as leftists. Left pulls total idiots towards it, has been proven many times.
2019-01-23 21:54
#14
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World ///fuck 
RIGHTARD IN A UTSHELL: - scared of colored people - hates gays and trans people - FUCK TAXES REEEEE COMMIES REEEEEE - muh bible - logic and facts
2019-01-21 22:22
this is why people have stereotypes about leftists
2019-01-21 22:47
#59
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World ///fuck 
Are you not allowed to have stereorypes of the right? Am I infringing your internet safe space? 😐🙄
2019-01-21 22:51
nah its just that you make a horrible picture of leftist
2019-01-21 22:54
I hate to say that, but I agree with you so hard ;D I get called a leftist all the time and they use the typical accusations. And when i see guys like this I always get reminded of where the right gets there arguements from. Its so stupid.
2019-01-22 01:09
#135
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Norway SaltySausage 
hes just telling you that you are acting like an idiot
2019-01-22 00:19
Stop fucking misrepresenting them, u commie faggot idiot. Its not "- logic and facts" Its "- Ben Shapiro DESTROYS xyz using LOGIC and FACTS" Got it?
2019-01-22 00:04
#229
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United States fatburger 
It’s actually facts and logic men
2019-01-22 03:12
dammit ur right. My deepest apologies
2019-01-22 15:35
Ben Shapiro loves facts and logic until facts and logic don't back up the his beliefs, like his belief in God.
2019-01-22 23:07
+1
2019-01-21 22:28
#171
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Germany zeolikk 
+1
2019-01-22 00:51
I hate seeing stupid shit like this from both sides, no body ever has an argument for there points, left of right 99% of people are fucking stupid.
2019-01-22 05:34
#3
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United States jitteRs 
Communism, period.
2019-01-21 22:14
#4
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United States jitteRs 
Don't need to say anything else.
2019-01-21 22:15
#10
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Sweden Ivorn 
Worlds apart...
2019-01-21 22:18
#15
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World ///fuck 
Who is arguing for communism?
2019-01-21 22:22
Capitalist countries are diactatorships by lobbyists. Thats a fact. Everyone in the USA can buy weapons, but cry about killing school students...... What a burger brain.
2019-01-21 22:27
#140
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Norway SaltySausage 
if you think everyone in the US can just buy a gun you’re stupid
2019-01-22 00:21
Thank God there are people who think like you or else everyone would be as dumb as him
2019-01-22 02:09
"Capitalist countries are diactatorships by lobbyists. Thats a fact." So, these countries are NOT CAPITALISTS, a libertarian activist here in Brazil says that our country has an oligarchy system and i kinda agree, so i can say the same thing about the other countries like Brazil
2019-01-22 01:19
#63
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Germany r0m3 
even tho im not even close to a leftist. communism =/ left wing
2019-01-21 22:53
#175
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France ZywHere 
Nt commie
2019-01-22 00:54
communism = left wing LMAO murica education?!
2019-01-22 08:59
#5
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Denmark muggge 
So you want high taxes like in Denmark?
2019-01-21 22:15
#100
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Lithuania arres 
And with these higher taxes, everyone is still getting better wages after taxes than in usa + free health care + free uni with a stipend on top of that + great pensions and other social benefits. People are self reportedly very happy + very good infrastructure in country, very low corruption, people are not breaking the laws. Yeah... you are definitely struggling to make it to the next day over there in Denmark. Dude, look at the taxes as a premium package of services - insurance in case you get sick, street cleaning service, road building service and much more. I think you have a great deal there for a price you pay and for what is left for you to spend after paying for this premium package unlike in most of other countries in the world.
2019-01-21 23:31
#153
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
+1 he is just a spoiled kid, he doesn't know how lucky he is...
2019-01-22 00:31
#166
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Denmark muggge 
What no? I never said I was not greatful to grow up in such a rich country. I just can't see a democratic socialist America, thats all
2019-01-22 00:44
#6
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Sweden Blueface 
Stopped readin' at 'Reason why im a Leftist'
2019-01-21 22:15
#141
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Norway SaltySausage 
I imagine you, living in sweden, have experienced the flaws of leftist sjw’s running your country?
2019-01-22 00:22
Brazil is way worse, actually i think that Brazil is the worst case in the fucking world, considering all we have. Everything here is fucking shit that i cant see the solution. We wont be a good country with good governments (and its something rare in Brazil). We need to change all the structure of the State and the mentality of the population, i think moving to Australia is easier...
2019-01-22 01:23
#199
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Norway SaltySausage 
i dont know much about the political situation in brazil, but i hope things work out fine for you over there, and if not you at least have some good footballers
2019-01-22 01:28
Well, I'm 20, the guys here are being sold to Europe at 16-17 like Vinicius Jr. and Rodrygo, so no chance for me. Our situation is bad, really bad, but in 80's and 90's we were way worse because of inflation (Gustavo Franco saved us <3) and 2015-2016 we had the dumbest president ever in any country of the world, so it cant get worse, at least i think
2019-01-22 01:55
You think you're the worst case? Lol , we pay the highest taxes in the world for bad quality education and health care.. In every item you buy at a supermarket you pay 50% of taxes- I'm fucking tired of this country... Because of kirschenerism a lot of people lives off the state(they made them believe that they don't have to work, they just live of social plans) So half of the country pay taxes to mantain the other half.. Argentina is such a beatiful country with a lot of potential same as Brazil , but the people in it , it's the reason they're shit
2019-01-22 04:42
Oh yeah, i think Argentina's situation is worse than ours at the moment, but in Brazil i cant see this shit changing, we will need a miracle. We had some good names being elected in 2018, but to change the system we will need a lot more, we need to change everything in this country, and a rich country like ours cant be so bad. Even some part of the right-wing elected in Brazil love the State, and even the population. Finding guys wanting less government is hard as fuck, its like religion, u are born believing in what ur family believes. In Brazil u are born believing in more State The thing is: Brazilians hate politicians, but they love State (There is a really good book talking about that), do u want an example? Look at the guy that created this topic, he says things like: "The problem of Brazil is corruption, the politicians of Brazil are a fucking shit, but, but... please.... we need this thing free, this other thing free, we need the State to solve our problems". This is what Brazil is Well... Its not like State and politicians arent the same thing, but they believe it is. Other good book is "Economics in one lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, i think if leftists read this book, they would understand how things works, its impossible to be in favor of a big State understanding this book, but politics is emotion, unfortanely
2019-01-22 08:44
Well stop compare with left and right because people have been fighting over that issues for more than a half century.
2019-01-21 22:17
#11
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United States zer0skill 
Not gonna go into huge detail cuz I generally hate politics, but I'd say I lean right because... - Lower taxes - Smaller govt. (less regulations on businesses and the market, etc.) - 2nd amendment rights
2019-01-21 22:19
#69
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Other WorldIsAFuck 
2nd amendment was solely intended as a means of arming people in the American Civil War, and look where that got us... Everyone and their mothers complaining about the right to bear arms. The funny thing is you can only drink at 21 there, but buying a gun at 18 is fine. I guess the reason I've never really enjoyed talking to Americans about America is because they don't want to actually debate over whether this is a viable law in today's society, and instead they just say something along the lines of "don't know don't care" or some other bullshit. Edit: not looking to argue, no point in that, now that the 2nd amendment is so ingrained into the American society. I just wish things went differently.
2019-01-21 23:02
#126
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United States zer0skill 
Totally respect your opinion and completely agree that being able to buy a gun at 18 but not able to drink until 21 is totally backwards. Should be the other way around, drink at 18 and buy a gun at 21. As for whether it's still a viable law, I would still say so due to the need to protect your family during home invasions, robberies, etc. You definitely bring up some valid points for sure
2019-01-22 00:03
The reason why you can buy a gun at 18 and not alcohol is because you do not have a right to own alcohol, while you do have the right to own a gun.
2019-01-22 00:21
#268
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Other WorldIsAFuck 
Thank you, that's actually a reasonable response. The home invasion thing I can understand as well, though I'd think you wouldn't need automatic rifles for that, but obviously I don't have any say in that.
2019-01-22 08:28
If you think that is the reason for the 2nd amendment you are dead wrong. The reason the 2nd amendment was written is that we believe that everyone should have the right to rebel against a tyrannical government. The reason why you can buy a gun at 18 and not alcohol is because you do not have a right to own alcohol, while you do have the right to own a gun.
2019-01-22 00:21
Second commandment was for carbines, they didnt expect highly automatic rifle in the future.
2019-01-22 01:25
"Second commandment" nice
2019-01-22 04:27
autocorrect.You knew what I was talkin bout kid.
2019-01-22 05:14
What happens to be the differentiation between a highly automatic rifle and an automatic rifle? Or was the highly just a useless additive adjective?
2019-01-22 05:22
#12
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Finland jUPPE! 
"-Ban on assault rifles ( its not a toy, small dickies )" Yeah, it has worked so well in Brazil.
2019-01-21 22:22
#17
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Brazil BrazilNA 
All guns are banned in brazil, thats the problem lol
2019-01-21 22:24
#28
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Finland jUPPE! 
That means you don't have any gun crime then. Well done.
2019-01-21 22:29
#60
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Why you taking Brazil as consideration on gun policies Brazil is fucked by nature not by guns, that main reason brazil is a disaster is because of corruption. But if you wanna talk about guns regulation , you can use Australia and Japan as reference
2019-01-21 22:51
more black ppl in ur government more corrupt there is. It's not racists its a FACT
2019-01-21 23:25
#95
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Brazil BrazilNA 
We never had a black president lol Brazil has more whit people than black people
2019-01-21 23:28
white aka brown?
2019-01-21 23:28
#101
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Brown and black people are located in the north areas, White people in the south arenas. We have no brown/black people in MIBR, Furia, Team One, INTZ, only steel and the twins are brown lol
2019-01-21 23:33
Yea but about ur leftist thing. In a country where is already most of those things and leftist are only under 10% they are fking braindead ppl who only wants more immigration and more taxes which are highest in a world already
2019-01-21 23:39
#118
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I don't live in Brazil, I don't understand what you saying
2019-01-21 23:49
yea i think u do if u say that
2019-01-22 00:14
#133
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I see your point, well, you should be glad to live in a country where most of the things I said are already taking place, good for you!!
2019-01-22 00:18
#316
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Brazil TonimSan 
You do want to say that skin color can make you more/less corrupt? HLTV is worse than I thought...
2019-01-22 20:08
ofc not but that's the way it is
2019-01-22 21:00
#203
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Brazil adre221 
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
2019-01-22 01:30
The problem of Brazil is CORRUPTION? OH MY FUCKING GOD Dude, how many books have you ever read in your life? The problem of Brazil is: 1. A shit Constitution 2. Big power to the President 3. There is NO separation of the power 4. No Chicago or Austrian School economists in the power historically 5. Big concentration of power I can put all the problems of Brazil in one of these 5 things i said. Corruption is a bad thing? Yes, but u cant explain the shit this country is by something all the countries have
2019-01-22 01:31
#293
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United States Jammin800k 
#1 2 3 and 5 all are examples of corruption. All you did was elaborate
2019-01-22 16:00
#319
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Brazil TonimSan 
Functional Illiteracy is a huge problem in Brazil too, and this guy is a great example lul
2019-01-22 20:13
#329 U dont even know whats corruption, how many books have u ever read in ur entire life?
2019-01-22 22:18
Dude, have you ever read our Constitution? No, okay, i understand, lets go: 1. Our Constitution doesnt guarantee the right to private property, it is so big and put so much power to the State, like the State NEEDS to solve all the problems, and this shit allows all the other problems (thats why i put that first), lets go again: 2. Our President can put people in the highest position of the Judiciary, can release prisoners, can change flexibility in the use of weapons, he indicates people all over the power, he can do everything... 3. No, its not corruption, like i said, our President can put people in the Judiciary (Executive in Judiciary), can release prisoners (Again Executive in Judiciary), can change flexibility in the use of weapons (Executive in Legislative). I'm just giving examples that happened or it would happen if other President was elected 5. Our country is concentrate in Brasilia, the tributes go to Brasilia and most part of them stays there, its hard to solve problems cause its hard to the states and cities have money and the solutions the power in Brasilia give is NOT the solution that the cities need, cause only them know whats wrong Well, i think now u can understand what i'm talking, but thanks for being respectful, u are not from here and u dont understand these things. But the #319 doesnt know shit about his country and doesnt know how to argue, well, being approved in one of the best universities in the country in engineering when i was in the 2nd (out of 3) year of the high school tells something about me
2019-01-22 22:16
The reason I'm a conservative is because, I do not support murdering babies. I support the constitution of the United States/ 1st and the 2nd amendment are the most important writings in modern history. Less Government regulation/ I think people should be able to live their lives freely without government intervention. Those are the main reasons, I support legalization of weed, and honestly every other drug. If someone wants to do heroin or cocaine I think they should be allowed to. I'm an atheist, I think churches should pay taxes. I support nuclear energy because it was proven to be the cleanest form of energy. I agree climate change is occurring, but I do not see the evidence that humans cause the majority of the change. 100% agree with Gay marriage, I think the government should have no business in marriage.
2019-01-21 22:22
#16
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World ///fuck 
Hi libertarian
2019-01-21 22:23
Hello!
2019-01-21 22:24
Hi libertarian
2019-01-22 01:34
Hello!
2019-01-22 01:43
#19
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Norway PeteZz 
Tbh you seem to be quite socially liberal, except abortion rights. For my own sake: Mostly socially liberal, but mostly against too many gov regulations, so lean right here.
2019-01-21 22:26
I for sure lean left on certain things like gay marriage and legalization of drugs, but it's not for the same reason as liberals. I lean that way because I don't think the government should regulate what you can do.
2019-01-21 22:28
#321
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Brazil TonimSan 
"I don't think the government should regulate what you can do" So a woman should have the right to decide to abort or no, right?
2019-01-22 20:16
#20
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Brazil kaiknux 
agree except for abortion
2019-01-21 22:27
#24
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World ///fuck 
"I agree climate change is occurring, but I do not see the evidence that humans cause the majority of the change." xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 50 IQ
2019-01-21 22:28
Can you prove it?
2019-01-21 22:29
#30
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World ///fuck 
You are a lost cause my son! There is alreasy well enough evidence, but your head is too far up your own ass to try and find it.
2019-01-21 22:29
Soooo, no you cannot. Got it.
2019-01-21 22:30
#36
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World ///fuck 
LOL! You should prove otherwise. It's like you arguing that the green house effext is fake and you tell me to prove why it's real. No, that's not how it works 😂
2019-01-21 22:31
How is that all of you people do not know what burden of evidence is?
2019-01-21 22:35
#45
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World ///fuck 
Doesn't apply when you are arguing against the facts. Lol!!!
2019-01-21 22:37
Well considering you have not presented any facts it does apply.
2019-01-21 22:39
#48
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World ///fuck 
#46 😂😂😂😂 Anywas what can you expect from an anti abortion atheist weed loving climate change denying gun loving American! 😂😂😂😂
2019-01-21 22:40
At least I don't support murdering babies like you. I operate off of facts and you operate off of feelings.
2019-01-21 22:42
#55
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World ///fuck 
Hypocrite! Lol!
2019-01-21 22:43
Murdering babies wtf haha
2019-01-22 05:04
#305
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
xD this guy man...
2019-01-22 18:28
#307
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
look at #167 ... complete burger brain.
2019-01-22 18:32
#88
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Brazil BrazilNA 
We have evidence , people just don't wanna to believe as evidence. You gotta think earth as an living organism It has lava just like blood under its core, it erupts, it has earth quakes, hurricanes etc, its a alive organism and its constantly changing just like our body . So you denying that pollution and human activity like plastic and chemicals in the ocean its not affecting the organism of earth, its the same as telling a smoker or a have drinker that this chemicals its no affecting negatively his body. Its more the common sense. You have two option , either denied it and do nothing to change it Or you just try to work for the best. Because when shit hits the fan, you will be looking like a sorry ass denier.
2019-01-21 23:24
Maybe if you would actually read you wouldn't sound so dumb. I never said that humans were not contributing. I think they are but there is no evidence pointing to how much we contribute to the world changing.
2019-01-21 23:27
honestly its hard to argue with a logic like that (not saying your generally wrong) since we cant know for sure how the world would look without humanity/ industrialization. The same logic can be used against vaccinations btw
2019-01-21 23:51
You're right we cannot know what would happen without us, and again I am completely open to changing my opinion when confronted with new evidence. If someone could prove we are the main cause of it then I will do a 180.
2019-01-21 23:53
The rate of our climate change is expected to be 100 times faster than the rate of the last ones. The temperature change per decade in the last 50 years is almost twice as high as the change in the last 100 years. The main reason for changes in temperature is the amount of CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) in our atmosphere. Our Industry produces CO2. The concentration of CO2 went from 340ppm to over 400 ppm in the past 40 years, before industrialization it was at a more or less constant level of 280 ppm.
2019-01-22 00:20
#149
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Norway SaltySausage 
but more CO2=more plants and more plants=more oxygen so if we all just eat salad we will be all good
2019-01-22 00:29
#31
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Czech Republic VeryCzechGuy 
Can you prove its not our fault ?
2019-01-21 22:30
The burden of evidence is on you not me. You're the one making the claim that people are doing it.
2019-01-21 22:31
#39
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Czech Republic VeryCzechGuy 
check average temps before and after industralization
2019-01-21 22:32
#40
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World ///fuck 
Inb4 FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!
2019-01-21 22:33
Sure temperatures have risen over time, can you prove it is all from humans? I agree that humans are contributing but we do not know how much. Could be a lot could be very little. I'm not denying it, I'm simply not going to accept something that is not proven.
2019-01-21 22:38
#68
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United Kingdom jellywank 
The most common argument I hear is that volcanoes and cows release a lot of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide but all of what is released is absorbed back mostly into the ocean and also plants photosynthesise using carbon dioxide. Humans (the vast majority big co operations) release greenhouse gases which cause global warming and climate change.
2019-01-21 22:58
Sure, like I said I agree that humans contribute but there is no proof as to how much. We could be the main cause of it or we could be extremely little. I'm open to the idea of it but without proof, I won't say we are the main problem.
2019-01-21 23:01
#74
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United Kingdom jellywank 
I'd say the proof is in the fact that the vast majority of studies about climate change strongly support the idea that humans release a significant amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere which is the main cause of climate change, at least the studies which are concerned with what is actually causing those greenhouse gases to be emitted
2019-01-21 23:06
We know that greenhouse gases do cause the temperature to rise but again I ask, by how much are we contributing.
2019-01-21 23:14
#83
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United Kingdom jellywank 
Quite a lot, from what I've read, It's around 0.15-0.45 gigatons of just carbon dioxide a year.
2019-01-21 23:17
Okay and how much is that contributing to the temperature change?
2019-01-21 23:31
#299
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United Kingdom jellywank 
Not that much but its not just to do with rising temperatures, its to do with more extreme climate and dangerous weather, which is more dangerous than the temperature being three or four degrees higher than what it was 50 years ago
2019-01-22 17:29
#81
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Finland Caderler 
Here is a great xkcd about this. xkcd.com/1732/
2019-01-21 23:15
Well honestly what else would cause it xD its us using it so it must be us fking it up
2019-01-22 05:42
That is a really dumb argument.
2019-01-22 05:58
So earth is warming up cuz mother earth decided so?
2019-01-22 14:20
You do understand that the earth has been changing for millions of years before humans right?
2019-01-22 14:54
Fk me m8 Obviously earth went thru many global warmings God knows How many. But there has been destructive global warming b4 ye and its been proven that it was due to greenhouse gasses. So my point remains, why is there a huge emission of greenhouse gasses?
2019-01-22 17:26
You do understand that the changes rigth now are 100 times faster then in the last 66 million years?
2019-01-22 20:13
Could you explain why you support abortion? I'd love to hear the rationale for it. I haven't heard a very convincing argument.
2019-01-21 22:29
#33
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Brazil kaiknux 
I just don't think it would be illegal. It would put people in a condition of using the black market. People will do it anyway.
2019-01-21 22:30
I'm not sure I follow. I understand that people will find a way to do anything if they try hard enough but that doesnt mean we should just allow it. Do you think it is murder?
2019-01-21 22:32
#57
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Brazil kaiknux 
I think it's not right, wether it's murder or not is discussable. Government should be against it and there should be education to prevent that from happening but to forbid? No, people will do it anyway. Simply make the woman sign that she is aware she could simply give the child to adoption while you - as someone from the hospital or government - try to dissuade her out of it
2019-01-21 22:49
Well, should a mother have the option to kill their baby after birth? If not then why? I don't think that anyone should be allowed to sign away someone else's life.
2019-01-21 22:52
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Czech Republic VeryCzechGuy 
victims of rape less children born into poverty there will be no unwanted kids
2019-01-21 22:31
Victims of rape make up less than 1% of abortion cases. Just because a horrible crime is committed against someone does not mean you answer with a greater crime of murder. Just because a child is unwanted is not justification for murder. Neither is poverty.
2019-01-21 22:35
#61
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Brazil kaiknux 
Here in Brazil this number may be higher than 1% though. Idk. Not relevant to the discussion, I know
2019-01-21 22:52
This is more an ethical problem, when is the embryo already human and when is it just a bunch of cells. Also thats why in germany abortion is only allowed until the 3rd month and under certain conditions. And you cant be serious about the rape victims...
2019-01-22 00:30
Well here is the issue with that abortion argument, any time that you try to set a point at where life begins you always draw a line that can be applied to a person that is not inside a womb. The only point that you can say it becomes a human is at conception. Why at 3 months is it a baby but 1 day before that it is not? Yes I am 100% serious about rape victims, just because something horrible happens to you, that does not give you the right to do something even more horrible.
2019-01-22 00:34
Why am i responsible enough to carry a gun at the age of 18 and not one day before? You have to draw a line somewhere.
2019-01-22 00:43
Because that is when people legally become an adult in the United States and are afforded all of their rights. You're right you have to draw a line somewhere and the only logical place you can draw that line is at the point of conception.
2019-01-22 00:45
or at a point where certain body funktions or parts start to develope. In my opinion abortion should be allowed in certain cases (rape, diseases, maybe even poverty) so the line has to be drawed somewhere after the conception.
2019-01-22 00:53
Well you proved my point right there. Anytime you draw a line other than at the point of conception you draw a false line that can be applied to other people. You said you can start it at certain body functions, if someone is alive and does not have those body functions can you murder them. Or if a person doesn't develop correctly does that mean you can murder them? The only thing I would be okay with if is a pregnant woman has cancer and needs to go through chemotherapy, chemo will kill the baby, but the mother is not actively killing the child.
2019-01-22 00:57
What if we draw a line between born humans and unborn humans? If the mother decides to do a chemo knowing that her baby will die she IS actively killing it.
2019-01-22 01:07
No she is not actively killing it, it is passive because the goal of chemo is to treat the illness not to kill a baby. The baby dying is a by-product. Also you saying "unborn human" deconstructs your own argument. If that baby is human then you have no right to kill it, because that is murder.
2019-01-22 01:11
So your talking about babies dying as a BY-PRODUCT but complain about me using the word human to describe in a short way what i meant? Thats a little bit hypocritical.
2019-01-22 01:21
Well because this argument is very simple. That baby is either a human or it is not. The argument boils down like this. If what you say is true and that is not a baby in there then there should be no lines drawn as to when you can kill it, but if it is a human then why should it be legal to murder a human?
2019-01-22 01:25
First of all this has nothing to do with me using the word human instead of something more fitting. And please dont state your opinion as a fact. Wether a fötus/embryo is human or not is not up to you, its up to the ethical values of our society. Also why call it two different names if its just either human or not.
2019-01-22 01:34
No it is not up to the ethical values of our society it is determined by science.
2019-01-22 01:44
Science doesnt tell us when it is ok to kill an embryo, its up to ourselfes and thats what matters in this case. Ask Hitler and he will tell you jews are inferior and have to be killed, despite science.
2019-01-22 02:25
Using your logic, the "Paragraf 218 des Strafgesetzbuches" gives german women the rights to "murder" an embryo until the 13th week of pregnancy. Also something else to think about: What if keeping the baby would mean that the mother has to die? and what if the baby would also die?
2019-01-22 01:01
Well, I just presented a case in which the mother needs medical treatment would kill the baby, and as I just said I believe the mother should get the treatment. I believe that question is answered by that.
2019-01-22 01:05
yeah im writing a bit too slow. But what about the first point?
2019-01-22 01:08
Just because something is legal does not mean it is right. For a long time in the United States sterilization of mentally ill was legal, that does not make it right.
2019-01-22 01:15
"Because that is when people legally become an adult in the United States and are afforded all of their rights." (#168) i guess that makes this point invalid too
2019-01-22 01:27
How does that make that point invalid? Can you explain what is immoral or bad about an 18 year old owning a gun?
2019-01-22 01:28
That hes only 18 years old??? Its invalid cause "just because something is legal it does not mean it is right".
2019-01-22 01:37
I can explain why sterilization of innocent people is immoral. You cannot explain why it is immoral for an 18 year old to own a gun.
2019-01-22 01:45
I never said its moral to sterilize innocent people, you picked the wrong example there. Its bad, cause i think a 18 years old human being is not grown up, responsible, or what ever, enough to walk around with a gun that easily can kill other people. Also dont even try to pick abortion as example, cause then we are at #178 again
2019-01-22 01:58
Who are you to take away someones human right to bear arms? One thing that you must not understand about the United States is that the rights we have are inalienable, which means that these rights are not granted by the government.
2019-01-22 02:05
Where am i taking away your right to bear arms? I THINK a 18 YEARS old person shouldnt be allowed to bear arms.
2019-01-22 02:29
#295
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United States Jammin800k 
You thinking that doesnt make it immoral in fact it's quite the opposite
2019-01-22 16:12
Why do you assume you are rigth when you think having a gun at the age of 18 is moral? Also thats not the point of this argument...
2019-01-22 20:09
#320
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United States Jammin800k 
Then at what age is it moral?
2019-01-22 20:14
I think 21 would be much better, but this is just my personal opinion, as believing 18 years is fine is yours
2019-01-22 20:16
#52
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Brazil BrazilNA 
People might not understand what the 1st and 2nd American amendments are but here is my view Freedom of speech is a right of you are a left or right so it doesn't even matter , no one will ever change that The right to carry guns was written on a age where you had only single or double barrel guns that took you 30 seconds to reload 2 bullets only, howcome is this modern ?? We had the Las Vegas massacre where this guy killed more than 50 people in lest than 2 minutes, the 2 amendment should be reviewed tell me more about this regulations of the left there are impeding people to live freely
2019-01-21 22:42
Sure, I'd love to tell you more about it. Your argument about the 2nd amendment has been debunked countless times. It is probably the worst argument against guns. You should look up James Madison's letter of Marque and Reprisal. If you don't want to I will explain it quickly, a private ship asked James Madison (Who was president at the time) if they were allowed to carry cannons to defend themselves on the ocean. James Madison replied, to put it simply "Yes". If someone was allowed to own a cannon back then, it would at least be equal to an ar-15 if not more. Secondly, there were multiple guns that could fire many rounds in a short amount of time, if you want you can look up the Puckle Gun or the Pepperbox Revolver. Lastly, to think that the founding fathers did not expect any technological advancement in weaponry is absolutely absurd. Weapons have been evolving since the beginning of time, they had no reason to think it would stop then. Also the vast majority of mass shootings and shootings are done with handguns and not "assault rifles".
2019-01-21 22:54
#71
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Brazil BrazilNA 
You can say whatever you want and give some history tales as reference. Assault rifles doesn't make America safer as a matter of fact America has the worst mass shooting in the world and it happen frequently. I think its okay to have a gun, but assault rifles are too much, and the only reasons America makes it legal is because of lobbyist who pours big money in the hand of the republican politics. Its all about profit. 2nd amendment should be reviewed, that's how evolution happens I live in America for 10 years , I never had a gun and I have never felt so safer in my live. I trust the Police, I trust the Juridical system
2019-01-21 23:03
So you are just going to dismiss facts? Are you aware the in the United States guns save far more lives than they take? There are 500,000 - 3,000,000 defensive uses of firearms per year. The reason that is legal in American, if you actually understand the second amendment, is because we rebelled against a tyrannical government and we know that any government, including the United States government, can become tyrannical. That is the bases for the second amendment, to defend our selves from government tyranny.
2019-01-21 23:08
#82
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Brazil BrazilNA 
That's the typical paranoid American lol Let me tell you something The doomsday its not happening The government wont become tyrannical, its no 1750s anymore. The power will always be on the population hands
2019-01-21 23:16
This better be a joke... You are aware there are tyrannical governments in the world right now right? If that's called being paranoid then being paranoid created the best country in the history of the planet.
2019-01-21 23:25
#93
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Not in America my friend, Not in America
2019-01-21 23:26
Not in America right now, you're right... But there is always a potential for it and the reason why Jewish people are ashes in Europe is because they didnt fear this. Every single tyrannical government without fail has disarmed the citizens.
2019-01-21 23:30
#155
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Norway SaltySausage 
australian tyranni inc
2019-01-22 00:35
I don't think Australia is tyrannical. Every tyrannical government has disarmed its population, not every disarmed population has a tyrannical government.
2019-01-22 00:37
#159
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Norway SaltySausage 
just a joke man
2019-01-22 00:39
Honestly i'm not sure whats a joke and not anymore. I thought transgender kids were a joke too.
2019-01-22 00:40
#162
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Norway SaltySausage 
honestly i wish it was
2019-01-22 00:40
Me too man... Me too.
2019-01-22 00:40
#72
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United Kingdom jellywank 
But the deadliest and the ones that cause the most casualties use assault rifles. Gun crime in the USA is much higher than any country and the USA has almost no laws prohibiting the purchase of guns. I just think they should have at least more regulation, not necessarily all out banning them but maybe making people obtain a license (or make it harder to obtain if there already is one (im not well versed on us law)) and more background checks
2019-01-21 23:04
I understand you're not from the US so you might not understand the laws, but there are regulations on guns in the United States, automatic guns have been outlawed for a long time. Anyone that purchases a firearm has to go through a background check. The only way to avoid that would be a private transaction, like if I were to give or sell you a gun. I'm not sure if all states, but at least if most of them you need a license to concealed carry, meaning you can hide your gun on your person.
2019-01-21 23:11
#78
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United Kingdom jellywank 
I understand that you need a license for concealed carry in most states. I'm not sure on gun laws because I haven't read a lot about it but I see the stats on the amount of gun related homicides in the US and it's ridiculous.
2019-01-21 23:14
Sure the gun homicide rates are pretty high but there are also a lot more defensive used of firearms than offensive, meaning more lives are saved because of guns that are killed. There are about 500,000 to 3,000,000 defensive uses of firearms per year in the US. In 2015 there was 13,286 murders with guns, if you take out suicide, but we can include it for argument's sake, that number would be 33,636. Still not even close.
2019-01-21 23:35
#300
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United Kingdom jellywank 
Still though i think any country is a lot more safe if guns are a lot harder to obtain. The USA's gun homicide rates are still a lot higher than any other country with guns majorly prohibited or completely outlawed
2019-01-22 17:31
Well, the data does not present that, the data says the guns save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of more lives than they take away.
2019-01-22 19:45
#326
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Brazil TonimSan 
Most of times a gun is used in the defensive way, it's because you are threatened by another gun.
2019-01-22 20:37
So basically your argument for supporting the 2nd amendment is that some smart people 200 years ago did so? Doesnt that sound stupid to you?
2019-01-21 23:18
No, the argument is that the United States has the right to bear arms because we rebelled against a tyrannical government and believe that any government could potentially be tyrannical. You would think someone from Germany would understand the threat of a tyrannical government.
2019-01-21 23:23
Well you didnt say that in the comment i was referring to, but besides that, not everyone in the US has a gun just to protect himself from the government potentially becoming tyrannical. They have it to defend themselfes against other people
2019-01-21 23:41
The comment you referred to was me explaining why the 2nd amendment extends to guns like the ar-15 and other "assault rifles". But the reason it was written is that we believe the citizens should have the right to rebel against a tyrannical government. Not everyone buys it for that reason but that is why it is legal. Regardless I think someone should have the right to own a gun to defend themselves from other people as well.
2019-01-21 23:44
#103
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Belgium vxneGOD 
It's proven that climate change is a result of too much greenhouse gas emission. Nuclear energy isn't the most clean energy, the toxic waste still exists
2019-01-21 23:36
Nuclear energy has the fewest emissions of any other "clean" energy. It is not proven that is the only reason, as I have stated plenty of times now I agree that humans are contributing but there is no evidence as to how much.
2019-01-21 23:39
#108
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Belgium vxneGOD 
It's not about the emission, it's about the nuclear waste we are leaving in the world
2019-01-21 23:40
You just said "It's proven that climate change is a result of too much greenhouse gas emission." So it is about emissions.
2019-01-21 23:41
#112
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Belgium vxneGOD 
if you just talk about climate change then yes it is. But it's not just about that, in my opinion we should try to damage the planet as little as possible
2019-01-21 23:42
I agree with you there to an extent, I don't want to do damage to the world intentionally. I also don't think that we should stunt our growth as a country for something that is not proven.
2019-01-21 23:46
#119
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Belgium vxneGOD 
"I also don't think that we should stunt our growth as a country for something that is not proven." You're right, but it can't be bad to have a plan b on how we generate energy if it turns out to be true. Especially with the technical possibilities we got.
2019-01-21 23:50
100% agree I think we should keep trying to create the cleanest possible energy we can. If evidence comes out that says that humans are the main cause of it then I am willing to change my opinion.
2019-01-21 23:51
I doubt anyone wants to abolish the first amendment and there's quite a few leftists who want to keep the second amendment, you just need to stop counting liberals as leftists.
2019-01-22 00:24
If you don't think that anyone wants to get rid of the 1st amendment you have not been paying attention to anything going on recently. The term "Hate Speech" is thrown around everywhere now, where people are trying to shut down someone else's right to speak. I do not believe there is any speech that is too offensive to be silenced. I think if you want to go into the streets and wear a swastika and say that jewish people are inferior then I think you should be allowed to do that. I dont support their point of view but i support their right to say it.
2019-01-22 00:29
#167
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
"I do not support murdering babies." It's an unconscious piece of meat, with no relations to anyone except the mother. How anyone cannot support legal abortion in 2019 is beyond me. Especially when you're an atheist ??? No woman has an abortion because they think it's fun – it's because it is necessary. Sure, they should have been more careful, but abortion is by far the better option than leaving a mother and a child in financial misery.
2019-01-22 00:44
So if someone is unconscious and has no family it is okay to murder them? I don't think you having financial problems is justification for murder.
2019-01-22 00:47
#170
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
"murder" .... so dramatic. Are you also against murdering mosquitos?
2019-01-22 00:51
Murder is a human killing another human... not mosquitos. Can you explain how killing a baby is not murder?
2019-01-22 00:52
#182
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
So you think a fetus is a human? What makes us human (and different from animals and insects) is our advanced brain that makes us able to rationalize, learn, love, have empathy, compassion along with thousands of other feelings that comes to us naturally. A fetus has none of these traits as it is undeveloped and unconscious. It is not as black and white as you make it.
2019-01-22 01:08
So if someone is kept alive on life support and their brain doesn't work does that mean you can murder them?
2019-01-22 01:13
#201
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
Thats a completely different scenario. This person most likely has loved ones, relationships etc. Also nobody has the right to end his life, since nobody has the authority to do so. A woman with a fetus in her belly is hers. It is a part of her body and the fetus is 100% dependant on its mother's well being. Therefore she should have the authority to NOT give the fetus a life if she wishes.. This shouldn't be the government's decision. Again, it is not as black and white as you try to make it. Also, why do you think children don't get life in prison if they murder someone? It is because they are not as developed as a full grown adult.
2019-01-22 01:29
"This person most likely has loved ones, relationships etc. Also nobody has the right to end his life, since nobody has the authority to do so." So someone who is on life support but has no family then you're allowed to kill them. "A woman with a fetus in her belly is hers. It is a part of her body and the fetus is 100% dependant on its mother's well being." That fetus is not her body that is another human being, not the mother. "Also, why do you think children don't get life in prison if they murder someone? It is because they are not as developed as a full grown adult." In the United States sometimes children are sentenced to life in prison, so that argument is invalid.
2019-01-22 01:34
#281
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
"So someone who is on life support but has no family then you're allowed to kill them." I didn't say that? Just pointing out its a different scenario and completely off topic. "That fetus is not her body that is another human being, not the mother." Again, I don't know how you can categorize a fetus as a human, as it is completely undeveloped. Thats like saying an egg is the same as a chicken or that sperm is the same as a human. "In the United States sometimes children are sentenced to life in prison, so that argument is invalid." Come on dude, that argument is perfectly valid and you know it. The point is, children don't get the same prison sentences as adults because children are less developed. Which is an example where society adjusts its degree of punishment to compensate for the accused's lack of mental development. Your black-and-white logic doesn't apply everywhere, especially when it comes to people. The above mentioned is relevant because it's an example where society recognises human differences and adjusts its laws accordingly.
2019-01-22 10:08
You said that it is okay to kill a human so long as they are unconscious and have no family.
2019-01-22 15:02
#303
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
Again, are you referring to a fetus as a human? I'm confused by your comment. If that is the case, please bring arguments why you think a fetus is a human. You haven't brought anything to the debate thus far...
2019-01-22 18:25
I have explained it, you're just too dumb to understand. I'm not going to repeat myself.
2019-01-22 19:40
#313
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
I just looked at our correspondence and I can't find the part where you explain why you think a fetus is a human? I'm too dumb to understand....... Looks like someone is running out of arguments.
2019-01-22 19:52
Says the guy that made the argument you can kill a human so long as they are unconscious and have no family.
2019-01-22 20:07
#323
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
You keep going on about that, but I can't see where I'm making that argument? Except if you believe a fetus is a human, then yes I have made that argument. So for the 3rd time - if that is the case, then please provide arguments why you believe a fetus is a human. You keep trying to steer away from the topic, but please for once just answer my question so we can continue the debate. We clearly disagree on the basic premise that a fetus is not a human - so please tell me your view point on that.
2019-01-22 20:17
Hi dude, here's what you've been looking for about climate change -- evidence showing that humans are primarily responsible: ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-im.. please let me know what you think! EDIT: Since you like getting exact numbers, here's a study ( nature.com/articles/nclimate2896?foxtrot.. ) the article cites which states that "almost two-thirds of the impacts related to atmospheric and ocean temperature can be confidently attributed to anthropogenic forcing" and "anthropogenic climate change has been a major influence for approximately three-quarters of the impacts observed on continental scales."
2019-01-22 01:23
#308
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
He didn't respond... what a surprise...
2019-01-22 19:19
I just read both of those and neither of them presented proof of this, the second article you sent is 1 paragraph long and gives no numbers or proof at all.
2019-01-22 19:52
#315
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
You're god damn delusional... You obviously choose not to believe it then. It's just straight out bizarre that you choose to not to believe the common consensus of the world's scientists. I mean what. the fuck. DIRECT EVIDENCE FROM THE ARTICLE: "Direct evidence of human contribution to atmospheric CO2 Carbon dioxide concentrations. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the main heat-trapping gas largely responsible for most of the average warming over the past several decades. The atmospheric concentration of CO2 has increased dramatically, from a pre-industrial era (AD 1000 – 1750) concentration of approximately 280 parts per million (ppm) to today's 400 ppm. Scientists warned for years about this dangerous threshold, but with the accelerated pace of emissions the question changed from whether we would reach CO2 concentrations above 400ppm to when. The Arctic reached 400 ppm in 2012. In 2013 the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii recorded more than 400ppm. In March 2015 global averages reached this threshold, and in September 2016 the world reached a point of no-return: CO2 concentration levels are unlikely to dip below 400 ppm again. Click to enlarge. Direct Evidence of Fossil Fuel Derived CO2 in the Atmosphere. While the concentration of carbon has increased, the carbon originating from natural sources has decreased. We know human activities are driving the increase in CO2 concentrations because atmospheric CO2 contains information about its source. Scientists can tease apart how much CO2 comes from natural sources, and how much comes from combusted fossil fuel sources. Compared to other carbon sources, carbon from fossil fuels has a distinctly different “signature,” essentially the relative amount of heavier or lighter atoms of carbon (technically 13C). The more negative the 13C, the higher the proportion of carbon from fossil fuels. Over the years, 13C has decreased while the overall amount of CO2 has increased. This information tells scientists that fossil fuel emissions are the largest contributor of CO2 concentrations since the pre-industrial era."
2019-01-22 20:07
Dont even try, this is like arguing with flat-earthers...
2019-01-22 20:24
What is your definition of "proof" and "evidence?" The article provides both of those in spades, in my opinion. The reason the 2nd article is so short is because it's only the summary of the study which came to those conclusions (which is locked behind a $9 paywall, RIP). May I add, last time I checked, 2/3 and 3/4 count as "numbers."
2019-01-24 17:48
#25
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Brazil Improvz 
Nice <3
2019-01-21 22:28
#27
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Czech Republic VeryCzechGuy 
Agree with everything except banning guns
2019-01-21 22:29
#54
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Brazil BrazilNA 
not guns, only assault rifles
2019-01-21 22:42
There are so many Trump love threads on HLTV but no one wants to share why they support him? Or why they are conservervative?
2019-01-21 22:31
Because "YEA WE ARE THE BEST"... USA, the most racist, arrogant and intolerance country i've ever seen.
2019-01-21 22:36
#264
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Korea crepes 
+1
2019-01-22 07:04
I explained it, and I am happy to do it again. Although, I wouldn't say I'm a trump lover. I didn't even vote for him, but I think he is doing much better than I thought.
2019-01-21 22:56
#85
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United States AproximateCS 
To be fair mostly people thought he would have blown up the country by now
2019-01-21 23:18
I would consider that extreme but there were people that thought that.
2019-01-21 23:41
I am Marxist Leninist because I want democraty by the workers. It's not fair that worker1 get more money from firm1 than worker2 from firm2, they do the same work. Capitalism is dictatorship. What do you think why arw so manx weapons by the american people and no one do something? Becuase they can't, the weapon lobby is to strong. Liberalism in a nutshell.
2019-01-21 22:34
#117
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Croatia mds818 
...and why exactly should worker1 get less money than worker2? You are looking from pov which says that everyone should get equal money.. in theory thats great but... 1)There are people who finish school at 17yo, and those who finish uni at 25... 8 years of difference now go 8x12=96 more salaries before the other guy starts working.. 2)You can have those who would exploit it, there are those who can work 2x more than other those who cant work as much those who dont want to work etc. 3)Where do you go as an individual then? in your own zone/country you have plenty, but as soon as you leave your country(ie for vacation or maybe war so you have to move out etc) you don't have anything, 4) You work doesn't pay off... why the fuck would I go 5-8 years in school more than others when I can just finish some random shit and work as that and I'd same conditions as doctor or eng. ...and yes I know Marx said "everyone by its needs" but...
2019-01-21 23:47
I'm right-wing because -I'm racist -I'm sexist -I'm xenophobic -I'm homophobic -I'm a bigot -I hate poor people sums up what others think of me tbh
2019-01-21 22:40
#50
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World ///fuck 
Truth hurts! 😎🚬
2019-01-21 22:42
cuz you're a fuckboi. simples.
2019-01-21 22:42
I always wanted to know what are the reasons people are left or right wings with a consistent point of view , not that cliche argument where you choose your political view blaming on the other side. So here is why I'm a leftist and you tell me yours based on your political agenda, you cant blame the left or right -Universal health care ( health care should be a right of every citizen ) Healthcare isnt an intangible human right, it's a benefit which can be effective while also very immoral. -Free University ( Imagine if you have to pay for high school just like back in the 40s ) Again, education isn't a right. Why should the tax payer pay 25k for you to flunk your classes, take stupid courses and do poorly in your work? You hold yourself accountable by paying for your own course, and if you take a good career path and work hard, you can pay off your debt easily. -Ban on assault rifles ( its not a toy, small dickies ) Depending where you live this will vary. You can't ban ar15s on the basis that they are dangerous and scary. The problem with USA isn't the second amendment, the problem lies with their lack of gun control e.g background checks. If people who have earned the privilege can't own a ar15 then people can't own any cars with v8 or higher engines, because they are dangerous and you don't need them. -Church should pay taxes ( some leftist think that way, I hate religion ) I can go both ways, but I hate religion isn't an argument -Right to abort ( although I think you are a slut if you do so and not use the right protection ) No one has the right to kill their own child on the basis that they will lose their opportunities in life or they were irresponsible with their partner, or in general. If the baby is going to be born with a severe deformity that will limit their life or the mom is at risk of dying then yes I think it's humane to abort them as it still upholds their right to life. -Clime change is real ( humans are treating earth like garbage, it doesn't matter if you believe or not, I don't wanna see clime change deniers trashing the ocean and polluting the air I breath ) I don't know anything on climate change, ao I'll give you this one. -Clean energy ( because evolution with happen eventually. I don't understand why when we have a free source of energy, why people are insisting and make fossil fuel companies richer and richer, the sun, wind and ocean provide us energy, how long more we will act like a caveman Natural resources make countries richer. I have no problem with clean energy. -Legalize Marijuana ( Its safer than alcohol and cigarettes Yes legalise it, stop wasting police money trying to arrest pot heads -Gay Marriage ( Why not , Fuck the bible ) Pretty much sums up leftists in one phrase "fuck the Bible". Really pathetic
2019-01-21 22:55
#75
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Free University Means The government should pay for it by taxes, or in other words , people are paying indirectly. That is the only way to make poor people a chance to success. If you are poor and have no chance to pay for it , you are doomed for life, the only reason Tuition is so high in USA is because they don't wanna see a minority ( Hispanic and black people ) succeeding. Inequality in USA is so big, and the majority of people in jail are black. Thats gotta tell you something I hate the fact people are billionaires because they use religion as a tool to enrich themselves our even to use their bible to apply laws based on tales that affect other people. Not to mention the wars for territory or other cruelty that religion is responsible all over the world. Religion is a Cancer, Spirituality is the only way to achieve greatness, not religion.
2019-01-21 23:11
Using our taxes is still me paying for your education. You think everyone is going to write you a check of 50 cents till it adds up to your fee? We pay through tax money, where it is allocated is what matters. Again, the government doesn't discriminate who gets college loans, that's illegal. If a poor man takes a loan to study a good course (Business, Law, IT, Medicine, Finance etc), works hard at it, he will be able to get a good job and pay off that debt easily. That's the point of government loans dickhead, you think these highschoolers going straight to college have money? Here's the solution. Study something you enjoy that is also going to get you a good job. Don't study stupid courses. WHO doesn't want to see minorities succeed? Absolute rubbish, the prices of courses are caused by supply and demand, not to keep blacks out of college, which doesn't make any sense as the government gives you a loan to study. Blacks are in jail because they commit more crime than whites. Fact. Not some stupid inequality. They refuse to work and blame white people for everything, while expecting the government to pay for everything. There is nothing wrong with following a religion that teaches to uphold the values and teachings of Jesus Christ.
2019-01-21 23:25
#105
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Im from Brazil , and just like any other major country in the world, universities are free, we have private ones which is easier to get accepted, and you have to play a lot of money,but the government ones you have to take a test and only people who reaches the limit score will be accepted. Thats nothing wrong with free education, wrong is when people think only rich people can get a diploma.
2019-01-21 23:38
BRAZIL haha. You're country is an absolute shithole because leftists were in power for so long. And you're telling ME that free education is GOOD? Fuck off
2019-01-22 00:23
#150
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Brazil is trash, the politics in Brazil is a separate case, all people want to do in Brazil is to rob you. But that has nothing to do with free education.
2019-01-22 00:30
It's a piece of the puzzle that's for sure I've already explained this before, the government doesn't discriminate who they give loans to. If you are poor and want to study, the government will give you a loan to study. If you choose a good course and work hard, you will find a job and be able to pay off your debt. My friend did 3 degrees in engineering and law, paid of 60k easy and now owns a house. I'm not paying for highschool shitheads to come into college with stupid degrees or piss attitudes to fail, fuck around and drop out because they know they don't have to pay for it. Having students be responsible for paying their debt keeps themselves in check, makes them strive to achieve, not mess around and also makes them really consider their course and what they went to do in the future. Understand?
2019-01-22 00:36
#161
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Brazil BrazilNA 
The more educated people in a country a better country it will be. Prove me wrong for you it seems to be more a ego trip. "i dont want my money to help other people get a good education, fuck the people from my country lol "
2019-01-22 00:40
Go back and read what I wrote because either you refuse to debate my points or you are too stupid to understand. That's the problem debating with low IQ leftists
2019-01-22 00:43
#208
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Brazil adre221 
You already pay a shitload of education via taxes Mostly the rich goes to the ''free'' universities nice logic
2019-01-22 01:34
#227
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I don't live In Brazil, I'm talking about USA
2019-01-22 03:08
#228
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Brazil adre221 
you know there is no such thing as free education right?
2019-01-22 03:10
#231
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Brazil BrazilNA 
There are educations where tuition is free
2019-01-22 03:57
#232
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Brazil adre221 
Free? Who pays the teachers, who paid the people who build the school etc. It works on magic?
2019-01-22 03:58
#233
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Brazil BrazilNA 
do you even know what Tuition is ??
2019-01-22 04:00
#234
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Brazil adre221 
hey I have an idea since paying for products directly is so inferior than being forced to hand money to politicians (because obviously they are supernatural deities that can allocate resources better than the market itself), why don't we pay 100% taxes and then everything becomes ''free'' and money is no longer needed?
2019-01-22 04:04
#236
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I believe In free market, thank you , bye
2019-01-22 04:09
#237
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Brazil adre221 
>free market >universal healthcare, taxes, free university, clean energy, climate change, leftism in general choose one
2019-01-22 04:10
#238
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Go travel to Europe , you are missing a lot of shit
2019-01-22 04:17
#239
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Brazil adre221 
what do you mean?
2019-01-22 04:17
#240
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Brazil BrazilNA 
research
2019-01-22 04:19
#241
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Brazil adre221 
I meant, what do you mean ''missing a lot of shit'', are you saying that social democracy is working in europe? You need to express yourself better.
2019-01-22 04:21
"Inequality in USA is so big, and the majority of people in jail are black. Thats gotta tell you something" There has never been a more equal country in the world. Everyone in the USA is equal. The majority of people in jail are black, and that does tell me something, that black people commit more crimes than any other race, in the United States. 14% of the population is responsible for 50% of the murder.
2019-01-21 23:56
#128
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I mean economic inequality, and the poorest happened to be black
2019-01-22 00:13
There is no inequality, there is inequity. There is a big difference there. On average black people are poorer because of their culture, it has nothing to do with inequality. Indian Americans are the most successful group in terms of money, does that mean that there is inequality between white people and Indian Americans? No.
2019-01-22 00:16
#136
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I know black people do nothing to help them lmao, that's their problem to be honest
2019-01-22 00:20
Yes it is there problem. It is a problem with their culture, not the country.
2019-01-22 00:23
Yes it is their problem. It is a problem with their culture, not the country.
2019-01-22 00:23
So you're just going to ignore how that culture got there in the first place? Black people were enslaved for centuries, then once they were freed they were unable to get an education (or if they were it was at segregated, underfunded shit schools), most realtors would only sell them homes in shit neighborhoods, and most businesses wouldn't higher black workers even if they were qualified for jobs. As a result blacks ended up in poor, crime ridden communities with poor educational opportunities. Fast forward to today and while now blacks have equal rights and there are anti discrimination laws in the US, the damage is still done. If you grow up in poor, crime ridden neighborhoods with little opportunity to climb out of that situation, you probably won't. I understand the personal responsibility angle but at the same time we have to do something to right the wrongs that were committed.
2019-01-22 01:04
Just because bad things happened to your ancestors does not mean you can use that as an excuse for while you are not succeeding. What would you do to "write the wrongs"?
2019-01-22 01:08
Actually it is an excuse for many black Americans (not all, but many). Because of what happened in the past many black kids still grow up in crime ridden neighborhoods with garbage, underfunded schools to this day. They don't succeed as much because they don't have the same opportunities growing up poor that rich or middle class families do. As for what to do to fix the problem, I think the best place to start is education. Making sure that everyone can get access to a proper education and making college affordable for poor families (perhaps through a European style "free" college system).
2019-01-22 01:16
My tax dollars should not go to someone else's kid to go to college. Black kids grow up in crime-ridden neighborhoods because the black communities have a problem with crime. What about the Irish? They were indentured servants, why are the Irish not going around committing 50% of the murder?
2019-01-22 01:23
Because the Irish weren't segregated until 50 years ago, and the levels of discrimination they faced were not anywhere near as severe. As for tax dollars I understand that viewpoint and I respect it, but personally I believe that everyone deserves a fair shot at life, and we have the resources and the responsibility as a country to make that happen.
2019-01-22 01:30
All black people in the United States have just as fair of a shot as a white person. There are no rights afforded to whites or any other race that is not afforded to blacks.
2019-01-22 02:18
No, people who grow up poor with bad education and worse opportunities do not have the same fair shot as everyone else. Having rights doesn't mean everything is sunshine and rainbows, because access to resources is just as important. This isn't even something that only affects black people (although it does disproportionately because of our country's history).
2019-01-22 05:26
Actually, the Irish did commit a massive amount of crime when they first arrived in the US in numbers in the late 1840s/50s following the Great Famine. Source: thejournal.ie/irish-united-states-commit.. They also faced lots of prejudice and discrimination for being foreign and Catholic. There was even a secretive, KKK-like group formed to make America Protestant again. Source: history.com/news/when-america-despised-t.. This was a time when the Irish were considered non-white, and so when black people were freed after the Civil War, the Irish competed with them for the low-wage, low-skilled jobs that are the only option for people denied good opportunities for education. Over time, Irish workers learned to support anti-black movements, since they noticed that supporting anti-blackness helped other people to see the Irish as more "white." Source: history.howstuffworks.com/historical-eve..
2019-01-22 02:04
Do you know who else commits a massive amount of crime? Black people. 14% of the population is responsible for 50% of the murder.
2019-01-22 15:03
Okay, why do you think that is? Please explain your reasoning.
2019-01-24 17:36
- Universal health care ( health care kills ) - Free University ( nothing is free, teachers are paid, school cost ) - Ban on assault rifles ( Brazil, LUL ) - Church should pay taxes ( Jesus loves you ) - Right to abort ( too late, your parents missed their chance ) - Clime change is real ( so is Batman, Santa and Chinese Moon probes ) - Clean energy ( does not make you a leftist) - Legalize Marijuana ( does not make you a leftist ) - Gay Marriage ( No. Fuck you. There )
2019-01-21 22:58
expected from polski
2019-01-22 06:57
both are bad but marijuana, gay marriage, ban on rifles should be needed from every country, clean energy too
2019-01-21 23:06
Anyone that is not a violent criminal from any country should have the right to a gun to defend themselves and their family from other people as well as the government.
2019-01-21 23:58
#86
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Brazil BoaPaNois 
BOLSONARO COMUNISTA
2019-01-21 23:20
#258
God | 
Other tdsh1 
nt bolsominion
2019-01-22 05:39
#283
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Brazil BoaPaNois 
nt leftist
2019-01-22 12:19
#91
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Croatia mds818 
Church should pay taxes ( some leftist think that way, I hate religion ) - imo no, but this is debateable, you have some(its really going from church to church to priest etc) which are actually doing good stuff with the money which they gained(ie they give it to other people, they upgrade something useful etc.) there's no point in hating religion as soon as its not surrounded with the hardcore fanatics, there're some other reasons as well. -Right to abort ( although I think you are a slut if you do so and not use the right protection ) - imo hell no, if someone was raped fine but if someone is going to fuck its his responsibility to deal with the consq. (I'd make it legalish, in the sense in normal condition nope but in some special cases fine) Im not really left or right, just being mostly liberal
2019-01-21 23:25
#245
FalleN | 
Brazil zhrp 
Religions should do good things with the money that they recive, but some of them are nothing but a profit machine. As Hubbard said, the fastest way to get money is creating a religion. He did even create one, called scientology, and his churchs dont pay taxes in many countries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
2019-01-22 04:50
#104
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Brazil vinnyzeraNTC 
Even before I clicked I fucking knew I'd see a Brazilian flag and I wasn't disappointed. Leftists in Brazil are a joke lately. You are so desperate because every little plan the left has made in the last 3 or 4 years to take over and alienate the population even more than the 13 years of PT have already done have failed miserably, that you don't even know what to say anymore. And now, with Bolsonaro as president you are desperate that he will begin a dictatorship even though his ideology and plans go totally against it, he's more liberal than Lula and Dilma you know? Both economically and socially. Actually read his government plans to understand better. And I also bet that you're one of those people who want everything to go wrong in his government just to inflate your ego and post on social media "I told you", "not my president" and say you're "proud" you didn't vote for him (even though I don't think you could've voted anyway as I'm pretty sure you're under 16). Well let me tell you something, if Bolsonaro fails we all go down with him, we're all on the same boat. You included. Or is you dad gonna pay you to go live abroad if it all goes to shit? I think not. But anyway, I guess being leftist is kind of a trend now that every country around us, even our own, has a right-wing government (Chile, Argentina, Colombia, USA and of course Brazil) just to name a few. But I guess there are still some "safe havens" left like Venezuela. I guess it's good living there. Oh wait, more than 500 thousand Venezuelans entered Brazil illegally in the past two years. So why were they running away from paradise? I guess something's off here...
2019-01-21 23:37
#115
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Brazil does not fall in any category of left and right Brazilian politics are nonexistent, there is nothing there that works because Brazil is so fucked up. When we have illiterate people in politics or reality show people in politics you know for sure they not even them know whats is going on. You cant take politics serious in a country that full of clowns, so my point of views are for countries that has serious people working on it, Brazil is out of the list.
2019-01-21 23:45
neither left or right 3rd position is the way
2019-01-21 23:44
#125
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North America Snaxer 
-Universal health care ( health care should be a right of every citizen ) I feel like it can work but I've heard just as many bad things about free healthcare coming from Canadians, Swedes, Argentinians etc. However, I don't claim to know the economic logistics that go into something like that so I wouldn't be comfortable just saying "health care should be a right" when I'm not sure that my country can viably fulfill that right. -Free University ( Imagine if you have to pay for high school just like back in the 40s ) once again I dont know the logistics. Something like adding taxes to make education free kind of bothers me though. The reason for that Is: As a college student I see lots of people who are going to school for no reason and taking classes that don't help them succeed in the future. Atleast In the US a free education wouldn't be an investment in the people. It just feels too risky to me. Also there is way more money for school out there that people would have you believe. I practically get paid to go to school I wasn't ever an honor student. -Ban on assault rifles ( its not a toy, small dickies ) I disagree. It would be impossible in the US anyway. Texas would take over the US if they banned guns. -Church should pay taxes ( some leftist think that way, I hate religion ) I hate religion too. I hate the bible too. I don't know if the church should pay taxes. -Right to abort ( although I think you are a slut if you do so and not use the right protection ) I think the right wins the debate here. But regardless I don't care if abortions murder I don't consider a fetus a human. So I agree. -Clime change is real ( humans are treating earth like garbage, it doesn't matter if you believe or not, I don't wanna see clime change deniers trashing the ocean and polluting the air I breath ) I've actually done a lot of research on this and yes you're pretty much 100% correct. Climate gets hotter as CO2 emissions increase. It's a super complicated issue which involves actual science so it's not surprising that it's such a controversy. -Clean energy ( because evolution with happen eventually. I don't understand why when we have a free source of energy, why people are insisting and make fossil fuel companies richer and richer, the sun, wind and ocean provide us energy, how long more we will act like a caveman ) If all of those clean energy sources are viable then sure. -Legalize Marijuana ( Its safer than alcohol and cigarettes ) smoke weed ery day 420 blaze it. -Gay Marriage ( Why not , Fuck the bible ) I'm gay. I don't give a single fuck about gay marriage. It's basically a luxury to be gay and to be able to complain about not being able to get married. Everywhere else in the world, gays probably complain about getting piss poured on them and getting the shit beaten out of them. Even before gay marriage was legal in the US no one gave a fuck if anyone was gay here. At least not compared to other countries
2019-01-22 00:02
#130
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Good arguments
2019-01-22 00:15
#132
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United States Batteries 
I lean right on most issues generally lower taxes our healthcare is shit, I would rather you get free healthcare if you are in the workforce and some family conditions College should be cheaper but if you are gonna waste it on gender studies then fuck right off gay marriage is fine genders- you either have a penis or a vagina or if you wanna be even further to the right - xx or xy I think we should have border security but allow immigrants to come in LEGALLY
2019-01-22 00:16
Agree with all but health care, United States health care is the best in the world when it comes to quality. You pay more because it is better.
2019-01-22 00:18
#146
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Trump voice " wrong" There are better country with better health quality than USA, google it The U.S. has higher rates of medical, medication, and lab errors than comparable countries healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection..
2019-01-22 00:26
#147
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United States Batteries 
We have the worlds best doctors
2019-01-22 00:29
#152
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Brazil BrazilNA 
Indian doctors lol
2019-01-22 00:31
American Doctors.
2019-01-22 00:35
#172
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Germany zeolikk 
Good point dude, I agree with everything :)
2019-01-22 00:52
I’m just gonna talk about feee healthcare because I don’t wanna write an esay but I think it’s important. I’m from canada, we pay for free healthcare throught or taxes. I think it’s important to have free healthcare, but we should have private hospital tol. We have to wait years sometime for a consultation... it’s ridiculous.
2019-01-22 00:57
#248
FalleN | 
Brazil zhrp 
you dont have private hospitals ? WTF. And you've to be waiting years for consultation is just a result of a bad admistratrion, just like here. BTW, your hyperbole is what happens here, lmao.
2019-01-22 05:04
Where is here? Brazil? And I ‘m from Quebec and yes it’s really bad. Also they can refuse to give treatment if it cost too much. Exemple: I knlw a 75 yo lady who did not get a mechanical heart (DAVG) that she needed because there is few and each cost 200 000 dollars. Even tho she had the money to pay.
2019-01-22 07:59
Leftists are batshit insane... There is not a single reason in the world i have to work hard to mantain a random negro which just came into my country, we doesnt need diversity althought some people, dumb leftist like you also support it..Its all about destabilizing the west, bringing literal animals into western countries and try to make it work, we cant even mention crimes now cause its ''racist'' There have been studies which are now banned (how cool is that?!, freedom of speech my ass) telling us blacks has less IQ on average and engage on criminal activities more then anyone else in average... We cant just close our eyes and say everything will be good, just like those dumb leftist girls who got beheaded in Morocco by Islamist extremists and we barely see it on news, desperately trying to hide these things... This is not a safe ambient, its toxic as fuck, someone is trying to force these brutal things into us.. And dumb leftists has no idea what this is about, is not about legalizing the damn marijuana or other useless stuff
2019-01-22 01:13
#213
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Belgium vxneGOD 
I guess you are from Germany most likely Saxony, so you most likely never had contact with a migrant let alone being a victim of crime.
2019-01-22 01:55
#235
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Brazil BrazilNA 
You are spiritually deprived, I'm already afraid of you. You are emotionally unbalanced, if you had a gun you would've killed everyone by now lmao
2019-01-22 04:08
#216
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Palestine Baitor69 
tldr reported
2019-01-22 01:58
The reason why people support Trump is because most "leftists" fight with their emotions and feelings, not with proper logic or reason, leading a weak argument. I used to think I was "right wing" because I mostly saw the hysterical outbursts from people identifying as left-wing, which I disagreed with. +1 to all your points apart from #2, more funding for scholarships for people that need it should be done instead, and the assault rifles. You should just ban guns outright or leave it.
2019-01-22 02:11
#221
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Brazil tosspoa 
First thing you should know, there's no free stuff and taxes always suffocate the poor, even when you think your taxing the rich, they transfer the cost to the products, and if you try to regulate via law, it kills the economy. I am not leftist and I agree in the liberal part of your text (drugs, abortion, etc..)
2019-01-22 02:16
#225
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Brazil Collee 
"Clime change is real, humans are treating Earth like garbage" Sure but: image.slideserve.com/1031800/temperature..
2019-01-22 02:50
#226
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Netherlands poeya 
ok ty for information
2019-01-22 02:58
I can only laugh when a brazilian calls itself leftsist and believe in this dead ideology after brazil get full of shit because cheap populism and people's alienation.
2019-01-22 04:32
#246
FalleN | 
Brazil zhrp 
I can only laugh when a brazilian calls itself leftsist or rightist and believe in those dead ideologies after brazil get full of shit because cheap populism and people's alienation from both sides. But I laugh even more at the face of people who does not see this.
2019-01-22 04:53
#247
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Brazil BrazilNA 
I don't live in Brazil and I couldn't care less
2019-01-22 04:53
Oh yeah, i've already found out you are mentally ill.
2019-01-22 05:08
Oh yeah, i've already found out you are mentally ill.
2019-01-22 05:10
I was with you but in doubt when I learned the abortion line but you've lost me completely when you mentioned gay marriages. I guess I'll never be left.
2019-01-22 05:30
I consider myself moderate in today's climate, but overall, I identify as a Republican (from a U.S. perspective). Problem is, nowadays that means I have to be a homophobic religious fanatic who treats scientific research as a political ploy. Something I'm not willing to do. I'm pretty much all over the place, but do have an open mind. -Universal health care/Free University: -- I believe that could fit into the budget, and would not be opposed to state-regulated programs. Also allowing people to opt for their own private coverage/education. -Ban on assault rifles ( its not a toy, small dickies ) -- I can't say I'm versed enough on current laws to comment, but I'd definitely be in favor on tightening restrictions on those that could purchase said weapons. I would be strongly opposed to an act which would confiscate weapons from people who have already purchased/own them legally. -Church should pay taxes -- There should definitely be a re-evaluation on how this works. Again, I'm not well-versed enough to have an educated opinion, but something is wrong with the current state of affairs. -Right to abort -- The only people who seem to be pro-life are religious folk, left or right (from my observation). I am not in that group. Do what you want, it's your choice. -Climate* change is real -- I'm 100% in favor of committing more of an effort to further research and am willing to take steps to rectify the situation, if possible. -Clean energy -- 100% agree. As someone who believes in market solutions, there should be way more competition in the energy market in general. Fossil fuels have an unfair monopoly, and the potential for renewable resources haven't yet been tapped imo. -Legalize Marijuana -- Do it, and tax it. Same as cigarettes and alcohol. It apparently is less damaging than both. -Gay Marriage -- This one, along with abortion, tends to lean towards religion rather than political affiliation. Imo, if they want to be miserable like the rest of us... let em.
2019-01-22 06:12
#263
XigN | 
Korea crepes 
i was gonna comment don't bring politics to HLTV but this is actually a decent post despite me disagreeing with some points. I'd consider myself more of a centrist.
2019-01-22 07:03
#267
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
2019-01-22 08:01
#282
XigN | 
Korea crepes 
this does not describe me whatsoever
2019-01-22 10:09
#266
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
0/8 bait Ok its 1/8 bait as you got 260+ people but hltv kind of dumb so yes
2019-01-22 08:00
Real socialism has not been tested
2019-01-22 08:47
#302
SS | 
Japan Kryptonic_ 
Won't work
2019-01-22 17:52
Would, but not with Communism
2019-01-22 22:11
leftism is the cancer of the world unironically
2019-01-22 08:54
politics are so retarded seriously. why cant you dislike immigranta but want free healthcare at the same time? why is there only retard Partys?
2019-01-22 08:57
#275
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Norway analpain1337 
i dont understand how some counterys have so retarded politics, when i read ts, its the same from both right and left in norway, sweden, finland & denmark at least.
2019-01-22 09:02
but why gay marriage? Marriage is a concept of the bible.....the bible forbids it. So why do you want to force your will on christian believers? You alrdy have the "legal partnership". Being gay is forbidden in the bible i dont get why gays want to get married.... Its like i would go into Saudi arabia with no clothes on and i know i will get killed for it....i also know its forbidden but i want to force my will on them? wtf bro...i have nothing against gays but its stupid that they want to be acknowledged by the christian community because their bible forbids to tolerance.
2019-01-22 09:10
#333
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Brazil BrazilNA 
You know what else is forbidden by the church, divorce. Divorce was illegal some time in the past , but why I see is that society and morality is changing how we perceive the bible. The church are adapting to the evolution and we are not adapting from the bible. Gay marriage will be acceptable by the bible anytime soon, just like divorce is. Sex before marriage, the use of condom is still forbidden by the church , guess what , nobody cares
2019-01-22 22:49
#278
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United States Freakmode 
I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THE GUNFIRE OUTSIDE MY WINDOW
2019-01-22 09:16
reasons why I'm a centrist (my response to your points just some are slightly changed, some are the exact same): -Universal health care - agreed, but also the hospital system should be improved. in my country people get paid jack shit for spending nights at the sudden aid department and it's just not right. -Free University - agreed. In my country it's not really an issue cause college is by default free (sadly international courses are signifficantly worse than our national language courses) but in a country in which university needs to be paid for I understand how it's a case of economical hierarchy priveleges -Ban on assault rifles - generally ban on guns, unless deposited in a firing range or a safe deposit. firing ranges should be a thing cause we might need to be trained in it, but no one should be free to posess a gun at will. and it's not just ar's. most common crimes are commited not with ar's but with handguns so that's also a thing. -Church should pay taxes - in my case churches are taxed as far as I know, but also they do not get paid a normal salary. which is unfair. being a pastor is just a regular job as any other here, and they're living off of what they get from the catholic community. the church's well being shouldn't be dependant strictly on the good will and modesty of the people especially in a catholic country. -Right to abort - I wouldn't really convince anyone to have an abortion but I see why people do it and what right do I have to tell them what to do? depending on what context you put it in, it may be a different perspective from what I thought it to be and I have little say in other people's decisions. people should be allowed to do things even if they're wrong, cause without it there wouldn't be any societal progress. -Clime change is real - yeah, basically. -Clean energy - i mean yeah, that's common sense pretty much. just some people are retards. -Legalize Marijuana - people find ways of getting to it still and it's not that big of a deal here anyway. you get a ticket and get jailed only after you get caught numerous times. should be legal cause it doesn't directly harm you anyways. -Gay Marriage - in context of civil marriage yeah, but i also respect the sanctity of the bible's perception of marriage and therefore marriage through church for same sex couples should probably not be allowed, but with civil marriage i have no issue.
2019-01-22 09:21
A big fat +1
2019-01-22 15:07
#332
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Brazil BrazilNA 
awesome
2019-01-22 22:44
Funnily enough, more than half of these arguments aren't actually leftist and are point a lot of people from the right would probably agree with
2019-01-22 14:24
Imagine telling somebody to not use generic arguments or blaming a side when you say 'fuck bible and religion' 3Head
2019-01-22 15:05
lol
2019-01-22 15:47
#301
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Japan Kryptonic_ 
Rightist cuz Government shouldn't have to provide health care Nice taxes with that free education Agaisnt abortion Against gay marriage not because i'm religious I just hate glorifying a mental illness
2019-01-22 17:49
cant work lul
2019-01-22 18:26
#306
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France hltvuser1 
I don't really know, but to be honest I always switch between righthand and lefthand to see close angles, especially when you awp on train, but that's my opinion.
2019-01-22 18:28
- i think there should be a free one, and a paid health care thats better - i think public schools should be free, but not private - i agree - Churches are public charities, St. Jude shouldn't pay taxes why church? - death penalty should be 18+ not fkn 0 months old - i agree to an extend - big +1 - just because its safer doesn't mean its bad, shouldn't legalize it imo - tbh i dont care, but it does goes against the majority of the populations religions for most countries, so i'd say stick to what the population wants
2019-01-22 20:21
#334
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
>"i think public schools should be free, but not private" >public >But not private I just died
2019-01-22 22:53
private schools should exist is what im saying, i guess it wasnt obvious based on my choice of words
2019-01-23 21:33
#344
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United States JustBitsy 
From your right to abort down to the last point, they are not strictly leftist policies. In the US, our libertarian party agrees with all of those points as well. I just dont believe those beliefs make you "left". Things like more taxes and more government are what make you left.
2019-01-23 22:12
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