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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
No. People are not crying about Trumps support of the opposition. Getting rid of Maduro is a good thing. What we are crying about is the US involving itself in the affairs of other countries...again. Remember, the reason Latin America is so fucked up is because of US coups. The reason ISIS exists is because of Iraq. And yes, I'm British, I know what our country has done over history, I oppose that too, because I guarantee you were going to say that, wasn't you?
2019-01-24 07:06
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Albania realblizzy 
Middle east done! Afghanistan is done! Libya is done! Failed in Turkey Next target Venezuella! American democracy(!) loading...
2019-01-24 07:53
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Germany hmmhmmhmmm 
your opinion was disregarded the moment i saw your flag, you have no say on this issue
2019-01-24 07:53
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
And your comment is disregarded because you clearly didn't read the bottom portion of my post.
2019-01-24 09:04
> the reason Latin America is so fucked up is because of US coups. Keep eating this post-colonial shit from CNN and Vox, the real reason of poverty there are socialist governments, many of them came to power with USSR's help decades ago and are still in power. Populist (socialist) ideas are still very popular among people of Latin America, so how the fuck USA is to blame? The only good country there is Chile, and surprise-surprise, USA and Chicago boys did much contribution there.
2019-01-24 08:08
Not like they were rich before socialist kicked in. More like the opposite way around : socialism got elected because they were poor.
2019-01-24 16:35
sure but it visibly didn't do any good
2019-01-25 16:51
Venezuela used to be a very neoliberal country before Chavez. Back then poverty was higher, extreme poverty was higher, unemployment was higher and GDP per capita was lower. So not, it's definitely not socialism that made those countries poor.
2019-01-24 17:01
nt, the center-right government was in power there about 4-5 years, all previous (from 60s) and further (from 00s) years their government was left or far left. the country's economy was always shit, and all the grow they had is achieved by high oil prices.
2019-01-24 17:37
lol nt, Russia and China are the one's that are supporting Maduro
2019-01-25 09:14
nt of what? are you able to read?
2019-01-25 09:41
Whatever you say, it won't matter. Majority of the people are so dumb that will believe what they see on the news. For years, people supported USA's involving other countries' business just because USA told them that they are "bringing democracy" to those countries. You can't explain shit to these people who believe USA bringing democracy shit. cmon.
2019-01-24 08:00
USA isn’t even a democracy
2019-01-24 08:07
Is it even an argument that Maduro is a cunt? Why would anyone feel bad about US telling him to fuck off?
2019-01-24 13:48
just look at his threads, he either is a radical leftist or just baiting
2019-01-24 14:19
russia clearly did nothing wrong.
2019-01-24 16:32
Of course, you are welcome in this paradise they created on the East of Ukraine. Bring cash!
2019-01-24 16:54
every time you criticise russia you always talk about money or economy. is nothing more important?
2019-01-24 16:56
Implying economy is the only problem they created. You are obviously clueless on the problems that arise being an unrecognized grey zone.
2019-01-24 17:00
i don't mean just crimea or donetsk/luhansk PR. i mean all historic association with russia. the only thing you care about is money.
2019-01-24 17:04
What historic association with Russia? Throughout the history Russia was occupying and applying russification on everything around it and even went overboard with genocide almost a hundred years ago. Irish speak English, but do they associate themselves with brits?
2019-01-24 17:06
nope, but they should ! they would be better as part of great britain. but that is irrelevant probably.
2019-01-24 17:11
Why should they, lol, they are a different ethnic group that had a language of completely different language family. You have a mindset of an imperialistic cunt.
2019-01-24 17:11
ireland has very good relations with britain even if they are not one country any more. we loaned them money during the financial crisis. they should be part of the UK cuz we are one geographic entity, the british isles. also they speak the same language. we have shared history. we fought wars together and with each other. and we are greater together. there is also a lot of intermingling between the peoples. just like UA and RU. such things are more important than money. if you can choose between two outcomes.
2019-01-24 17:15
It would make any sense if Russia was not backwards. It's easy for you to say economy is not that important when you have it all sorted out. It's pretty clear Russia is not developing the right way ever since mongols invaded. The gap with the rest of the world increases ever since, it has nothing to offer to the world other than its military power and corruption. Any time Ukraine had a chance of breaking out, it took it, often unsuccessfully. Coping with the fact of being a useless territory just because it was always like that is not the mindset of ukrainians, we don't consider ourselves not worthy of creating something useful and impacting the world in some way.
2019-01-24 17:36
sure UA could become great, but it will never become great while it has bad relations with Russia. no country has ever prospered in it's situation.
2019-01-24 17:54
Estonia is doing just great without good relations with Russia
2019-01-24 18:10
estonia is basically a village.
2019-01-24 18:12
What you are saying is small countries != countries. Belarus is small too, but is a shithole. Long-term prospects for the Estonian economy remain among the most promising in Europe. In 2011, the real GDP growth in Estonia was 8.0%, and according to the projections made by the CEPII, by 2025 the GDP per capita could rise to the level of Nordic economies of Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and Norway.[citation needed] According to the same projections, by 2050, Estonia could become the most productive country in the EU, after Luxembourg, and thus join the top five most productive nations in the world. NATO protections does wonders.
2019-01-24 18:15
it is easier to raise the development of a small country than a large one. furthermore russia has not made any strong moves against it. obviously the situation is different with UA.
2019-01-24 18:16
Don't feed me this bullshit, large country is essentially a large amount of small countries. Again, Belarus is pretty small and russian ally, why is it shit? Are belarussians simply not as good as estonians?
2019-01-24 18:27
how is it bullshit? it is self-evident. the countries with the highest development are basically city states/small nations. but there are many poor large countries with large populations. russia, india, loads of large african countries like the DR of Congo. obv Belarus is not run as well as Estonia, but it doesn't disprove what i said. meanwhile UA is the 2nd largest country in Europe after Russia. more importantly how can you have prosperity without peace? never gonna happen.
2019-01-24 18:41
Canada/USA/France are all large countries, but I agree that generally smaller countries are easier to reform. However, you were the one to bring up this bullshit argument about country size, it's irrelevant for the topic. Russian allies in Europe are shitholes regardless of size and USA allies prosper. Peace with the one who invaded you? That's capitulation, lol, not gonna happen. Peace depends on a russian goon government, Ukraine didn't invade russian lands.
2019-01-24 22:28
but Russia has no problems with warring against UA. do you think things will be different in the future?
2019-01-25 16:38
Oh yes, things will be different. Too much power in the hands of one person guarantees crisis when this person dies. And death is inevitable.
2019-01-25 17:16
Putin is not Russia. He is the head of an establishment (oligarchs, state leaders, generals, etc.) It won't be like the Gorbachev/Yeltsin years when he leaves office. It will be orderly succession like Stalin to Khrushchev. The establishment will just pick one of the current political figures and turn him into one of their own. Maybe even someone like Navalny. None of them will treat UA differently. As you probably know. You put your hopes on the Russian people, yet after the fall of the USSR they voted for Yeltsin and Putin... Doesn't that say it all?
2019-01-25 17:33
He is the key piece piece that holds everything together, he has FSB and all the government institutions under his belt that grant oligarchs protection and there is not a single person in Russia that is gonna be able to replace him. Oligarchs need a person with public support to keep on leeching on government projects and with the way media bloated Putin's image over the years nobody is gonna be able to replace him. It's gonna be another Medvedev that even Putin's supporters hate. And oligarchs will be given a choice to put all the blame on Putin and pick a more convenient candidate for the West in exchange for sanctions lifting. And don't forget those soviet hateful pigs are outdated in the age of the internet, people's strive for freedom is inevitable too.
2019-01-25 18:18
that's all true, but there is time for that to happen. putin has no intention of going anywhere. but when the time approaches, someone will be groomed to take over. you will get a "reformer" like navalny who will come to fix all the old problems, yet the character of the country will stay the same. just like it has done from the time of the tsars till today...
2019-01-25 18:20
If you look at the big picture, Russian Empire is shrinking for the last century with a lot of crisis. I don't see a reason it will not happen again, especially with oil becoming less relevant pretty soon.
2019-01-25 18:23
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Norway bruhfessor 
plath is Russian btw
2019-01-24 17:56
isnt he chinese?
2019-01-24 17:59
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Norway bruhfessor 
idk at one point he had ru flag and he is very pro russia
2019-01-24 18:01
idk and idc tbh, but he flipped out when i said that taiwan is the real china, also one time he said something like "we + russians is superpower"
2019-01-24 18:07
So there is no problem if Russia forces Porochenko to fuck off?
2019-01-24 16:37
The thing is shitholes have no moral right on influencing other countries. And you are comparing Poroshenko with a person who is sitting on a crap ton of oil and his achievement is 2$ average salary.
2019-01-24 16:53
I'm not comparing them, I'm comparing interventionism.
2019-01-24 16:58
Then compare it properly. US finances and supports whichever party they want to work with, Russia sends military men because legal influence on a country gets them nowhere due to a reputation of being a shithole.
2019-01-24 17:02
You are right, these are not the same. Russian military intervention will kill thousand of people while US embargo will kill hundred of thousand. Oh wait, I forgot US military intervention in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, they are much worse indeed, you are totally right.
2019-01-24 17:04
Are you really implying being invaded has no economic consequences similar to embargo?
2019-01-24 17:09
You'd better ask the 25% of North Korean dying of starvation.
2019-01-24 17:13
North Korean regime is obviously backwards its funny you brought it up. Having any relations with it goes against human values and the embargo would work wonders if other shitholes were not keeping it afloat.
2019-01-24 17:25
embargoes are just another form of imperialism btw... that's why the US restricts trade to so many countries.
2019-01-24 17:32
There is not a single highly developed country that opposes US, think about it. US influence turned out great far more times than it turned out as a disaster and it's far more beneficial for a country to have a good relations with US (dozens of examples).
2019-01-24 17:41
This is meaningless, we can say the same about Russia as well.
2019-01-24 17:56
No, it's not, lol. Russian influence is always bad, look at Eastern Germany and post soviet countries for christ sake.
2019-01-24 18:11
"lol look at liberia situation after USA's influence lol". One exemple is not a rule.
2019-01-24 18:33
Every european/asian country got better with the help of USA, that's pretty much a rule. Some african or middle eastern shitholes obviously have a long road ahead of themselves in adopting a democracy.
2019-01-24 22:23
I have read the whole branch, and I must have to say that you were really calm and polite, I wouldn't able to argue if my opponent was saying that USA are to blame in hundred of thousand deaths because of embargo. before joining this site I never thought that some europeans (leftists) can have almost the same rhetoric on USA as our vatniks do xD it's funny how radicals from many countries and both sides of political spectrum are similar.
2019-01-25 06:07
Cheers!
2019-01-25 17:21
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
When Trump had a peace meeting with NK he gets bashed for "legitamising a dictatorship". Now when he publicly says Madura is an illegitimate dictator, people are now crying that he should stay out of it. Atleast Trump has only stated his concerns publicly, the dems would've invaded them by now. I do agree in general that America should not involve itself where possible, along with the UK.
2019-01-24 16:51
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
If he got bashed for having the meeting then the people complaining obviously don't believe in the possibilty of making peace. I did however bash him for stoking the flames constantly over Twitter, provoking NK to release statement after statement about their nuclear progressions to antagonize him. Then there was that embarassing interview after in which he claimed NK were no longer a nuclear threat, even though NK had not made any kind of statement regarding its nuclear program. Oh, and the "very nice letter" which he hadn't even read. As for saying the Dems would have invaded, I can't say for which members would be for a coup, but I know for a fact the new progressive members that were just elected hold very strong opinions about US involvement in foreign affairs.
2019-01-24 18:50
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Venezuela Kennedy^_^ 
Shut the fucking mouth, you do not know what you say. I invite you to live here in my country to see if you will think the same. You can not stay here for 1 week. So, Trump is Welcome to Venezuela.
2019-01-24 17:07
#142
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Chile Javier_cL 
he can not stay even for 1 day
2019-01-25 18:30
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Turkey tastemycobra 
It's nothing new with Trump. USA is so called a democracy but when it's about other countries' democracies they act different. They just want to appoint leaders to them. It's the same everywhere. Don't also forget that USA caused the current migration wave which dismantles Europe today and puppets in Europe couldn't stand up against it. USA wants no competition. Look what happened in France, once Macron slightly mentioned European Army. EU has a right to protect itself but USA is being the mafia it is, of course.
2019-01-24 17:22
too bad america involved itself in ww2 back in the day. surely nazi europe and china conquered and enslaved by japan would make all the lefties happy. it's not like japan turned into the 2nd strongest economy in the world for quite a while until edged out by china and also became one of the most technologically advanced countries. it's not like germany ended up being the strongest economy in europe and de facto its leader. undoubtedly if germany was left to the soviets in its entirety it would be much more successful than it is today. the reason isis exists is because the job was undone. the forces were pulled before the savages were either exterminated or reeducated while the iraqi military wasn't bolstered enough making the formation of isis possible. if the americans stayed for a decade or two in iraq it's pretty likely iraq would end up becoming the most progressive country in the middle east and isis wouldn't have formed. that being said, islam would have been a huge hurdle which might have made it quite impossible. nevertheless, iraq would have been better off if the americans stayed for a while.
2019-01-24 17:32
Hello, i'm from Venezuela (living in Chile, guess why) and i can confidently say, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.
2019-01-24 17:34
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Brazil Valhalla00 
hey man, in diplomacy, having a support from other countries sometimes is a good thing. If Venezuela had a situation that didn't required international atention, things there would be done by now. The thing is, without force, Maduro wont get out of the government, and the venezuelan people dont have the force necesseary to take out Maduro. That's why for Venezuelan people support from countries like Brazil and US is a good thing. By showing support, USA is telling venezuelans to fight for democracy, because if things goes south, they will have support from not only them, but Brazil and other USA Allies, and in this scenario, we all know that the support is probably military.
2019-01-24 17:57
USA keeps their interests like 100 years ago - today
2019-01-24 18:09
Where all these shitty know-it-all come from? Why do you think you know some shit from FUCKING VENEZUELA living in the other side of the world? Europeans knows ABSOLUTE NOTHING about south america in general, much less about the politics that goes around here. Venezuela is a shithole leaded by a dictator who needs to be killed asap. Its fucking sad to see that the socialists who ran Brazil in the past 15 years gave so much of our hard earned money to these fuckers. The only good thing is that the left cant erase this from history, they will always be remembered as traitors. FUCK MADURO, FUCK THE GUY FROM URUGUAI, FUCK CUBA, FUCK KIRCHNER, FUCK LULA, FUCK DILMA, and every other communist who lived in south america. If trump nukes maduros, it will be a blessing for the venezuleans, who are suffering in poverty for a very long time now,
2019-01-24 18:17
+1 Socialism kills Latin America. I hope your beautiful continent with great people will get out of this shit.
2019-01-25 06:11
thank you man
2019-01-26 16:36
When people can’t do shit themselves they need higher powers to help them. It’s like giving back the worldwide community.
2019-01-24 19:12
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United States PsychoLogical 
You have no idea whats happening so you got no right to talk, normally I stay out of shit like this but this is an exception. And as if Britain wasn't as guilty as we are.
2019-01-24 20:20
And you obviously didnt read the bottom portion of my post.
2019-01-25 12:22
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Brazil nyz 
You have no idea, people there are starving. they need external intervention.
2019-01-24 20:37
+1
2019-01-24 20:37
+1
2019-01-25 09:47
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United States Trump2020KAG 
so it would be better if everyone just let them continue the path they are on...gotcha
2019-01-25 14:49
0/8
2019-01-25 16:53
Central & South America is "fucked up" because the average IQ of "hispanics" is around 70, which is considered "retarded". The USA had the Monroe Doctrine which "protected" these countries for over 100 years. These countries and the USA got independence in the same "era", yet these countries never developed because it is full of retards. Btw, this was not a "USA decision" it was a OAS decision, which includes the vast majority of all countries in this hemisphere.
2019-01-25 17:53
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autimatic | 
United States j_k 
So you don't want us to get involved with a war you guys are in again I guess. We can always just leave you guys to lose just like what would have happened time and time again. Lets not forget the protection we have given Europe ever since WW2. But you know you only care about the bad things we've done throughout time, lets not mention the good we've done as well good job
2019-01-25 17:59
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