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Philosophy degree?
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Philippines BritishCocaine 
Ok guys so i just graduated and i want to study philosophy because its so interesting but my parents doesnt support me at all, instead he wants me to go to engineering class but i dont like it What should i do? Is phylosophy useless?
2019-01-27 11:19
useless, just like art
2019-01-27 11:20
yeah, its completely useless to sell your art for 10 mill
2019-01-27 11:39
You can sell your art for 10 mill only if you're dead so yea It's useless
2019-01-27 11:54
*if you are unsuccessful
2019-01-27 11:58
who wants to buy art from a no-namer?
2019-01-27 12:14
#118
Luminous | 
Tunisia me_ 
+1 especially that art today is a joke.
2019-01-27 15:13
#148
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United States ph3n0m3n 
say that to Banksy
2019-01-27 17:24
Banksy didn't sell any of his arts for 10 mil as i know
2019-01-27 22:44
He did
2019-01-28 11:44
Did he? I read that he sold his art for 1.9m max
2019-01-28 14:37
1.9 is still a lot. I didn’t sell mine for that price
2019-01-28 14:43
You know nothing about it.
2019-01-27 16:21
Yeah bro bet, gl with your art degree and working in mcdonalds
2019-01-27 20:21
Oh, i understand now you dont need anything like art in your country. Just fences and peppers.
2019-01-27 23:42
Im not talking about not needing art, but no one is going to buy art from you if you're just an amateur, and its hard to get discovered and recognized as a real "artist"
2019-01-28 06:13
Dude real philosphers where also great mathematicians 80% math you have today were discovered by them. If you think that philosophy is use less you also can say that math is useless.
2019-01-28 11:31
there is an error of implications here
2019-01-28 11:41
not really. Math came from philosophy. p-philosphy m-math u - is not useless pmu 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 the last one confuse me :D maybe I did wrong Yea it's wrong in implication
2019-01-28 11:50
The thing is that ancient philosophers were great mathematicians, not because philosophy always implies math but because those people were overall geniusses who were interested in the world not only philosophy, math but also biology, chemistry and politics Basic math came from philosophy. Today´s status of math is merely based on philosophy, but more on previous results of math OP asked about studying philosophy, which is no doubt quite risky based on the market for studied philosophers. And your implication table doesnt make sense at all. Dude you´re speaking to a Ph.D in math and computer science, trying to convert some pseudo boolean binary action into logic is useless.
2019-01-28 12:32
yes
2019-01-28 13:04
Ive never had logic only basic boolean one on uni 5 years ago.
2019-01-28 13:17
Btw I do not agree that ONLY basic math came for philosophers. Leibnitz also was one.
2019-01-28 13:18
i said from philosophy, not philosophers Thanks for mentioning Leibniz: "Leibniz made major contributions to physics and technology, and anticipated notions that surfaced much later in philosophy, probability theory, biology, medicine, geology, psychology, linguistics, and computer science. He wrote works on philosophy, politics, law, ethics, theology, history, and philology. " That guy did literally everything, which just proves my previous statement.
2019-01-28 13:24
"i said from philosophy, not philosophers" You catch me on such details. Nvm
2019-01-28 13:37
philosopher who makes progress in math based on previous math results =/= philosopher who makes progress in math based on statements/facts/thoughts from philosophy These guys arent pure philosophers, they are polymaths or universal geniusses for basic minds. You´re just a waste of time here
2019-01-28 13:39
I think most of great philosophers are/were not only philosophers. Ok dude I agree with you. But you should agree that you cannot bashing philosophy just like that how people do here. Without it our civilization would not looks like this. Also I heard steatement taht modern philosophy is shit cus we have no new ideas anymore only modifications of old one.
2019-01-28 13:54
but IMO philosopher is someone who is multidisciplinary scientist, pretty luiquid definition. That's why I do not agree that philosophy is useless cus you cannot earn money.
2019-01-28 13:40
It's always funny when people try to sound intelligent and take more time writing posts, but still end up making mistakes on the meaning of words.
2019-01-28 14:57
this. Problem is that people think that philosophy and other non engineering subjects are useless cuz you have no money from it. Real problem is that most of people studing sunjects like philosophy just don't knwo what they want to do in life.
2019-01-28 11:30
+1 If you really like these subjects you can get a great job that you'll like, but the majority just studies art or philosophy because they are lost.
2019-01-28 11:46
1 idiot doesnt mean the entire country is idiotic
2019-01-28 14:55
#249
suNny | 
India S1ayR 
As useless as Zeus in Navi xizt in fnatic cadiaN in North stew in liquid mibr in cs go Hope you understood
2019-01-28 19:20
#254
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United States m1santhr0pe3 
very smart men
2019-01-28 23:30
yes , philosophical degree is mostly useless
2019-01-27 11:20
Why? Not everyonr can learn philosophy bcs its hard and it doesnt have absolute answer, so its really challenging
2019-01-27 11:32
It might be challenging but is completely irrelevant in any industry
2019-01-27 11:47
Lol no it's not its able to land you a consualting job and treated as a pre law study for law school Btw Phil degree grads earn an average of 80k with a bachlors
2019-01-28 15:02
#3
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Netherlands T0uchPad 
Got to agree with the parents here.
2019-01-27 11:23
#5
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Philippines BritishCocaine 
Why? I dont like engineering at all it doesnt seem interesting at all so why would i waste my time lol
2019-01-27 11:25
#8
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Germany Removed 
Try doing something like Information Science it combines philosophy to computer science, requires barely any math and it pays very good.
2019-01-27 11:28
Information science doesnt exist here, myb in europe it exist but not here
2019-01-27 11:33
#50
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India Bob__ 
I think it's same as Computer Science Engineering.
2019-01-27 11:48
Oh yeah it exist but only few univ and its expensive lol
2019-01-27 12:03
#144
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Germany Removed 
No it's not. At all. CSE is much more mathematical than CS. Information Science barely has any math.
2019-01-27 17:15
#149
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India Bob__ 
I see. Information Science isn't very common here but yes, the OpTic India player Marzil is currently studying it.
2019-01-27 17:31
#106
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Netherlands T0uchPad 
You always need to follow your own feeling. However, not being able to work because the job supply is limited for what you studied for is not going to make you happy. If it really is your passion, you can always add something like a minor to your studie that is related to philosophy.
2019-01-27 12:37
i dont see a point with studying philosophy in modern age. so many books so many writing if u want u can just study it urself at home. but if its something ur 100% behind and 100% willing to commit in the future then why not.
2019-01-27 11:24
In a world where you can become a professional gamer, there is nothing useless wtf
2019-01-27 11:25
#32
s1 | 
Ukraine mpletop1 
what kind of logic is that?
2019-01-27 11:40
Philosophy degree is worthless Worthless is not useless Therefore, philosophy degree is not useless
2019-01-27 11:59
in a world that has no meaning , no endgoal beside death being the fate of all of us, there is nothing useless aswell.
2019-01-27 11:59
useless =/= worthless is it worth it? yes. is it useless? depends.
2019-01-27 12:00
as harsh as it sounds, its your life. in the end of the day u need to be able to look urself in the mirror. and telling my parents that i wanna work in a sneaker store rather than going to study was hard but now 6 years later they see it was good choice aswell.
2019-01-27 11:26
The problem is i wasted 1 year studying chemical engineering in college bcs im not interested and my parents pissed with me bcs i got bad grades and i drop out Ok good for ya m8, so youre working to design sneaker?
2019-01-27 11:29
like i said its your choice u should do what u want. i know ppl that just study to make their parents proud or to fit in todays society but they dont enjoy what they doing. so just become ur own master.
2019-01-27 11:30
#9
k1to | 
Czech Republic kotricek 
your parents are right. if you pass your engineering studies, you will pretty much know what work you will do and you will like it i am pretty sure (it's kinda hard tho), whilst philosophy... meh, people who study these always debate about something which results in absolute nothing.
2019-01-27 11:29
What they point cruelly forcing himself into a study he doesn't want just to make his parents happy? 60% of the ppl that study nowadays do this shit and will never actually be happy in the long run with their jobs. Ofc they will get a lot of cash, but for what sacrifice?
2019-01-27 11:33
#36
k1to | 
Czech Republic kotricek 
haha, i do study economics and i hate studying that shit... i always wanted to join an army and be happy there. If I did so, i would rather kill myself then staying there. All the things I got to know while studying opened my eyes and I can't imagine myself not knowing these. Our parents know us the most and they can say the best what we need to sacrifice to be happy in future. :)
2019-01-27 11:43
many parents actually dont know their children better than their children know themselves and force studies upon them, because they think itll lead to a good job and life. What they dont consider is what the child wants. Having to study something youre not interested in can lead to a horrible life. At the very least your time at uni will be shit and I think many people suffer from depression because of this. They hate their study, find it hard to push themselves tk excel at it, fail, feel pressure from their parents and feel awful the entire time. After that theyre forced to work in a field they dont enjoy. Parents shouldnt force their children into certain fields. Let your children make up their own minds. Thats the most likely path to happiness. Having your children becone engineers because you want to is just awfully egotistical and shortsighted. Still, those parents will keep telling themselves "its all for the childs wellbeing". Well its not, its for the parents to feel good about what their child is accomplishing.
2019-01-27 12:12
#108
k1to | 
Czech Republic kotricek 
i guess it depends on parents then... but i got your angle of view :) i have friends that didn't want to study and start business after school just not to waste time there, these kids who thought they knew what they would like to do are in a complete s*** now. Should have listened to parents is basically what I want to say, but yeah, got your aov
2019-01-27 13:43
Depends on the children I guess. I get your pov too.
2019-01-27 13:46
#11
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Denmark Twick_ 
Convince your parents why you want to study philosophy.
2019-01-27 11:30
#13
shrek | 
Cambodia Libtard 
Based on my own experience, I will advise you to study what you really want, because otherwise you may find yourself lost and uninterested in your studies and future
2019-01-27 11:31
Thx this is why i lost interest in engineering bcs i dont like it and drop out in 2nd year as i said in #10
2019-01-27 11:36
#25
shrek | 
Cambodia Libtard 
Honestly that's a lose-lose situation, because you either disappoint your parents or continue to do what is boring for you.
2019-01-27 11:38
i quit 3 different study subjects cuz it's just not what i wanted and in the end i became a barkeeper in a hotel bar and love every minute of it. just do what u want, dont try to please others.
2019-01-27 11:34
#18
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Belgium jorneiro 
Don't pick something you don't like, you will have a hard time studying it and if you do get the degree you'll be working a job you don't like for the rest of your life. Usefulness isn't solely measured by how in-demand a degree is on the labor market. If you really like philosophy you should 100% go for it.
2019-01-27 11:36
philosophy is useless. you will end up unemployed. your parents are right with that, but there are more options than just engineering.
2019-01-27 11:36
cmon bruh its 2019 if u want u can always earn enough money its just what ur willing to do for it.
2019-01-27 11:37
not with philosophy. he will be unemployed until he decides to go a different path. can be anything, doesnt have to be academic, but philosophy itself is useless.
2019-01-27 11:39
hahah its 2019 i literallly go every thursday on supreme website buy 4 items and sell it for 6 times the price cuz of brainwashed idiotic youth thinking it will make them more popular. after that i can afford my rent i would not even need to work or a degree anymore. all i need is to spam f5 on 6 different laptops.
2019-01-27 11:41
and ? it doesnt change the fact that philosophy is completely useless . thats a different business.
2019-01-27 11:42
so what? u think there is any end goal to achieve in this life? ur dead,hes dead, im dead at the end of the day just do what u enjoy or have passion. study something u dont like u will regret 100% in the next 5years. and with todays opportunities to make money in private life its easier than ever.
2019-01-27 11:44
i think you didnt read the question. he asks if philosophy is useless. and it is indeed. i didnt say anything about going other paths in life. ONLY that philosophy is useless for future employment. he can still make it in life with effort and luck.
2019-01-27 11:45
the jobs of the future is "volunteering to save this planet", I can tell you already.
2019-01-27 11:52
#152
gla1ve | 
Brazil wilbur 
So you think philosophy is not useless because in the future people will have to volunteer for a living? I can only relate it with the fact that it will probably discuss the ethics and morals of what humanity could've done/could do in the past/the future
2019-01-27 17:36
I consider studying law or language and history. Do you think its good?
2019-01-27 11:38
law is really hard. the only people who finish their studies are people who are really committed to that. if you study history, your future will look like working in a museum or shit like that. language opens some doors, but only if you have an idea how to use it.
2019-01-27 11:41
Ok thx m8
2019-01-27 11:47
law is top tier if you can get there
2019-01-28 15:42
Thinking money is everything, yeah, your parents are very loving people
2019-01-27 11:46
i think you guys got problems with reading.
2019-01-27 11:47
I'm not sure but I think I exactly got you meant there. I despise practical people. Money doesn't buy you happiness nor love, it's only to suit the modern standards. It's up to you of course but saying philosophy is useless is like saying music, cinema and art in general is all useless.
2019-01-27 11:49
Music is useless? Wtf it makes me relax
2019-01-27 11:56
Just what I'm talking about!
2019-01-27 11:57
You dont need to get degree at music unless youre really love music. In the end you will get paid for making music that doesnt require a degree to do thst
2019-01-27 12:01
studying music is not any useless. its not hard to find decent job.
2019-01-27 12:01
So isn't with philosophy. Philosophy will give you eloquence at least and influence in your speech. You can get much more becaues it spans more things in our everyday life than just one specific degree.
2019-01-27 12:04
the way op wrote this tells me that by "useless" he means if it helps him finding work in the future. yeah, sure... many people study because they want to expand their horizon, but its a bad idea. you can do that as a hobby in your free time. people do art, music and reading books and if he is interested in philosophy he can read books from kant, hegel and some other shit.
2019-01-27 12:01
You don't get how it usually goes? It requires full dedication and focus when learning things? What can you learn in philosophy it being just a hobby while you're living another life in your real world? Philosophy is really not useless, solely depending on what you value in life though, if you only need money. Of course you better go to coal mines.
2019-01-27 12:02
i see you are a optimistic guy. philosophy opens 0 paths, ok? you will end up unemployed. how old are you? i guess probably 16-18? i talk from my experience and the experience of many other students. i was a student myself and i do have A LOT OF experience.
2019-01-27 12:05
#76 I'm realistic, I've been this way, I don't have any degrees but I have read lots of material of different kinds that aren't supposed to give me good jobs but wooh, there you go. I have it and I didn't need wasting time on boring subjects, I have learned the world and I have become more much erudite and now it works for me.
2019-01-27 12:05
see you dont have degrees neither you've been a student any time in your life so far. gues you should just stop talking. i was a student for 5 years. i know what im talking about. people who studied philosophy either drop(60-70%) or end up in a shit work that has nothing to do with philosophy. you can teach this shit to yourself by reading books, instead of wasting 3-5 years of your life.
2019-01-27 12:09
Your life experience is not the kind of proof that's valid enough to shut anyone. I have studied philosophy and keep doing so. I don't tell you that philosophy will open you some unique kinds of jobs that only philosophy degree can allow you to have. Philosophy gives you much more than any other subject. It gives you understanding and perception to realise what you are, what do you need and what you can do in this life. You still don't get me!
2019-01-27 12:10
self-fulfillment doesnt help you getting a job. philosophy is still useless. but if it makes you happy then go on.
2019-01-27 12:13
How wrong can you be. It does you better than actual degrees if you want to know. A thick-headed creep with economy degree that can't get two words together will struggle to find his place in his life rather than a self-assured, well brought up and eloquent guy without any degree. I've been there, I've done there. I'm in a good position now with a fine job, didn't study the subject that requires for my job. All others have. It does much more than that.
2019-01-27 12:14
"well brought up and eloquent guy without any degree" sure. i am a business student and we are more "eloquant" than any fucking philosophy student out there. they are usually some gothic kids, who are anti-social, have 0 confidence and bad appearance while we business students got exactly what they dont have. i know business students. how they talk, how they act, how they communicate and i know philosophy students. you are delusional.... as a student you can walk into university and tell what people study jsut by their appearance and their behaviour and philosophy students are the worst. same level as computer science and physics students.
2019-01-27 12:19
The teens you describe are the exact school dropouts and hippie all-seeing wisemen. They are not the philosophers I'm talking about. Businessmen are smart and erudite too but the difference is that businessmen only aim for the jobs that offer much money. Philosophy students see actual value and they have a better, wider choice. Don't call me delusional because of your life experience with the source of 'Trust me, dude'. I believe you but have some respect. It's always been like that, money makers and mood makers for money makers. In the question who's more important, nobody has an answer. It's subjective and equally valuable.
2019-01-27 12:21
#155
gla1ve | 
Brazil wilbur 
> useless >If it makes you happy man if you think it can bring happiness you think it has a use
2019-01-27 17:43
if you study an actual subject and live a stable life then you can study philosophy as a secondary subject as a hobby
2019-01-27 12:16
Yes you can but if you can afford the risk, philosophy could give you much more than any specific degree. Without too big a task as well :)
2019-01-27 12:17
afford being broke?nah man im fine
2019-01-27 12:18
+1
2019-01-27 12:20
Giving up before even trying you might as well lay down and die. We will die anyway? So what's the problem here.
2019-01-27 12:22
The difference is that there are jobs in those, especially music and cinema. For philosophy there are barely any positions involving philosophy, while you are vastly inferior for any engineering or design jobs than people with engineering, design or natural sciences. The same goes for medical positions, administration and management positions and pretty much everything else. There is something that offers you better chances than philosophy for pretty much every field there is.
2019-01-27 15:36
I'm so tired, I don't want any discussion right now. I'm also hungry. Just tell me do you agree with my points or not and if you could, tell me why. I'll try to reply to that. Don't give me no essays please, I'm so tired
2019-01-27 15:37
Point is, judging degree options by job availability in the relevant field is not thinking money is everything. Finding a job is essential, and with philosophy you put yourself at a disadvantage for every industry field there is (and by that I mean every single field outside of academia). Being able to find a job that pays decent enough to come up for cost of living with a decent standard of living is essential, and doesn't stem from being money-focused. Even if engineering might not be the most interesting field for you it is probably the field with the best chances of finding a job a) reliably and b) one that pays well enough to be independent from your parents while having a good standard of living and have the ability to come up for a family if need be. If you decide to go into a field that is utterly useless for any industry or at least sub-par when compared to other courses of study purely because you "like watching debates on Youtube" and don't even really know what the recent questions/research topics in that field are, then you have to do so expecting that you will not work in that field after your time at uni, if you even find any work at all. Also, don't expect your parents to come up for you when you're unemployed in the end after you made an uneducated decision without taking job availability into account. Going for such a field without knowing exactly how it works, what your chances are at finding a good position and what the course even really contains is plain and simple suicide.
2019-01-27 16:37
Oh, you don't get me, do you? I'm tired to have any more discussion. Break it down to one sentence please or wait for uncertain time until I'll be able to read it through. Thanks your understanding and genuine interest in the subject. I'm all broke down and hardly ever finding any desire to continue.
2019-01-27 16:38
I'll wait.
2019-01-27 16:39
Did you read my previous posts on the matter? I'm talking about the advantage that solely philosophy degree could give and you don't need to have a degree, which also matters. But I was wrong, I'm talking about philosophy as a subject to learn on your own, having a degree of philosophy won't give you much but finding true passion in this subject will grant you a whole lot. You will become a better person in every aspect, more patient, calm, more empathy, better understanding psychology of the people's feelings, eloquence and the influence in conversations therefore self-assurance, confidence in the decision making, wit and intelligence, fast processing and wise solutions. In the long run, philosophy, as a subject, not like a studying direction, will give you a lot more for your everyday and specific routed life. With the new perception of the world you will potentially have, you will be able to set new goals and pursue for succeeding. It's all about mindset and philosophy is what takes care of it. It grasps all human points, not just specially choosen ways for certain occupation. You will simply become a better human being, smarter, kinder and hearty. It might not help you survive necessarily but it will surely help to survive the others which is surely better. Selfishness has no place in a civilised world.
2019-01-27 16:46
I did read them. The point that you don't have to have a degree to find a job is nonsensical in an academic context. Sure, you can get a job without a degree as a burger flipper or similarly low-level jobs. However, this is not an argument for a course of study in any way. There are far better courses to learn those specific skills, never mind the job-related knowledge that may be required. Soft skills are a base that is required no matter what field you are in and aren't something to be proud of having learned, its much more a requirement that everyone has to have. You learn those things in other courses just as well. Also, political ideals have no place in this conversation. Besides that, this does not have anything to do with selfishness. Are you implying that students of other fields are somehow worse humans? The things you just named are not core qualifications you gain in philosophy, but rather things you improve on the side of any course of study.
2019-01-27 17:14
Philosophy hasn't any special question to answer in the study, its point, I believe, is to perfect the man in every way. And you wrong saying that you have to have a degree for a good job, by good, I mean well paid job, though it is too, very relative, you can have good jobs without degrees. And that's when philosophy strikes hard, in art, it will enrich your poor fantasy with creative ideas, no other subject could give you ever. And along with wealthy brain mass, you get the actual ideas and ways to develop as a person and a society worker. Pick anything on your wish, music, cinema, poetry, painting. Philosophy doesn't teach you either of those but it gives you all it takes to become the best at anything you will choose. Philosophy helps me a lot, I notice I have become a much better person. I'm not implying that other subject students are worse humans*, I'm saying that philosophy enthusiasts become better human beings in the process.
2019-01-27 17:20
"And you wrong saying that you have to have a degree for a good job, by good, I mean well paid job, though it is too, very relative, you can have good jobs without degrees." Not reliably, and that's the point. "Pick anything on your wish, music, cinema, poetry, painting. Philosophy doesn't teach you either of those but it gives you all it takes to become the best at anything you will choose. Philosophy helps me a lot, I notice I have become a much better person. I'm not implying that other subject students are worse humans*, I'm saying that philosophy enthusiasts become better human beings in the process." The same applied to pretty much any other course of study, however, most of those also add actual specific knowledge on top of it. There is nothing that philosophy does better than other courses that fit your goals more. Philosophy is only an option if you don't have any specific plans of what you want to do after studying whatsoever and hate mathematics with a passion, and even in that situation there are probably better choices. "I notice I have become a much better person." Thats called growing up.
2019-01-27 17:40
Your opinion is heard, mine is well taken. You see, if I were you, I would most likely argue with you and try to put out my views as the facts, as obvious and objective as they only can be. But there is no use wagging the tongue, you won't see until you try it yourself. That's the different, you're very practical and rational, you don't see the opportunity in things that don't seem to benefit you nor do give you some advantage in life. That's why you stop where you were going to initially, creative people who think wider than they can see achieve a lot more and for the good reason. No use wallowing in the mire, if you're satisfied of what you have you don't need to prove me anything. I know what I have gained and what I have had. It's very visible to me. Sure growing up never ends but becoming a better person requires knowing what kind of person you were before. Admitting and accepting the reality paves new ways for sanity.
2019-01-27 18:02
"you don't see the opportunity in things that don't seem to benefit you nor do give you some advantage in life." You see, this is not at all the case if you had read my posts properly. At no point did I suggest that. "That's why you stop where you were going to initially, creative people who think wider than they can see achieve a lot more and for the good reason. No use wallowing in the mire, if you're satisfied of what you have you don't need to prove me anything. I know what I have gained and what I have had." Those aren't features that are exclusive to philosophy in any way. Also, this discussion was never about what you or I have or what experiences we have. This is and was about whether or not philosophy as a course of study is a sensible choice over an engineering discipline or any other application-focused field, which, regarding job opportunities, it is clearly not. "Sure growing up never ends but becoming a better person requires knowing what kind of person you were before. Admitting and accepting the reality paves new ways for sanity." Irrelevant to the topic.
2019-01-27 18:32
Do I need to repeat myself once again? You still don't see the roots of intelligence philosophy gave me? I can remain jobless and still be happy in life while you would go mad and insane, afraid of not being taken by society and losing time in a chase to satisfy someone else while your well being is not being relevant to anyone in the world. This is what teaches about. And believe me, being well taught of manners and basic eloquance give you much more opportunities regarding jobs than any degree in the world. Don't imply that the world is in the place that any job holder is honest to the bone and never ever did it the wrong way. Formality is not the proof provider in this case, because it never goes that way anyway. All that's left is the wish, be happy, spend time wisely. I get what I want without doing what I wish I didn't and I'm much more wiser as a person than all of my comradee. And my last remark is the most important among all my posts. But of course very practical and rational person will fail to see that.
2019-01-28 03:06
If by being happy you mean not being able to support a family, any hobbies that go beyond equipment-less sports or any travel endeavors, sure. This post is brimming of arrogance and virtue signalling.
2019-01-28 13:54
We'd be wise enough not to doom anyone for the same fate and go on alone. I don't have the love of my life yet, I have nothing to offer but I'm happy anyway. I will find her one day and I'll have a mean baggage of knowledge and hopefully, material needs to offer. Being materialistic is like being blind to the actual joy in small things. Somebody has to lose everything to value anything.
2019-01-28 14:22
Nobody here was being materialistic. Being able to support yourself plus perhaps a family is a necessity and not an option in our current societies.
2019-01-28 14:49
Actually is, an option. You're not bound to marry at 18 like in old times. I wouldn't mind that though. You can go alone as long as it requires for you to achieve things and be able to carry on with the family and people you care about. It's all about you, only you build the life you are going to live.
2019-01-28 14:50
"You're not bound to marry at 18 like in old times." That was not the subject. Read again.
2019-01-28 14:51
It's not a necessity, read once again what I just wrote. More carefully now.
2019-01-28 14:52
I never said its a necessity to support a family. You're strawmanning.
2019-01-28 14:52
You said perhaps which implies you mean it as well but afraid to say it openly. What a kindergarden? And it's just about the same with your own self. Philosophy doesn't tear your limbs apart, you're able to find low jobs while chasing a bigger dream and position in life rather than getting stuck on a routine with a slightly better situation. Do you see now.
2019-01-28 14:55
No. Perhaps means its possible/uncertain, in other words optional, by the definition of the word. "Philosophy doesn't tear your limbs apart, you're able to find low jobs while chasing a bigger dream" You are right, it doesn't. This was never my point though, the problem is the opportunity cost it inherently brings with it for nearly all fields.
2019-01-28 15:00
Don't act childish please. Clutching to the every word to seem as flawless as only possible. Did you know no one is perfect in this universe. I understand your misgivings about it but I think if you try this hard, you should have understood me as well. The potential good it may lead to crosses the guaranteed middle class life everyone goes to on average. If you're not a fool yourself, philosophy will give you all the necessary tools a young and talented man would lack.
2019-01-28 15:04
You will never understand if you have never had any experience in any industry. I hate to break it to you but it what you are claiming about philosophy as a course of study is nothing short of delusional, and you got plenty of evidence from other people in this threads. Your constant virtue signalling and you not having a degree doesn't help your case either. In the end, you can make your own decisions, but sooner or later experience in the work force will open your eyes. I'm done arguing.
2019-01-28 15:10
My eyes are open and I'm talking about opportunities I see, is it because I went through it and I'm able to see for I was on both sides and you think I'm chanting of a pink, bright world where everyone's happy. Did you try it yourself? I highly doubt. Don't answer. My mind is made up and I'm happy in life, seemingly not having a lot of things that suppose to make me happy. So think it over. Goodbye.
2019-01-28 15:12
#145
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Germany Removed 
Money can definitely buy happiness
2019-01-27 17:17
No, they cannot. No matter how many you have.
2019-01-27 17:20
#150
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Germany Removed 
Just wondering, what makes you happy?
2019-01-27 17:33
Mutual love, won challenge, career development, pursue succeedings, decision-making & happy ending security. There are many things actually and none is defined by the filthy cash.
2019-01-27 17:34
#157
gla1ve | 
Brazil wilbur 
well in a way without money you cant do most of these things
2019-01-27 17:53
Of course you can, that's the point of throwing money away and stop being the slaves of it.
2019-01-28 03:07
Not true at all you'd end up with a consualting job with good pay
2019-01-28 15:04
#22
s1 | 
Ukraine mpletop1 
Useless, but engineering is a road to corporate slavery.
2019-01-27 11:38
Itll be good if you want to become a journalist ,lots of these kids would have no idea and just go off popular opionion. My friend did a phil degree at oxford and is now the manager of a bank
2019-01-27 11:38
pls dont send him to the darkside of the world. we all know journalists are the real terrorists.
2019-01-27 11:39
Journalists are one of the most important part of a democratic state :) The keep tabs on the powerful
2019-01-27 11:40
pretty sure its the opposite way the powerful keep them in control. not for a reason 90% of the media is owned by some banksters or families. media nowadays works like youtube "inset clickbait" make money. GG
2019-01-27 11:45
90% of media is owned by bankers? news to me
2019-01-27 11:45
Well, in Germany all mainstream media owned by some rich families who were deeply involved in some corruption and fraud in the past, so banksters, wanksters you name em.
2019-01-27 11:48
#27
GuardiaN | 
World Darge 
As for my own personal experience, I wanted to be a writer and went with philosophy since it was my main interest. But 3 years later I realized that I wasn't going to suceed on it and went on a different way. Worst case scenario you become a teacher, but that's something I didn't want for me since the beggining and quit. But mostly because I knew than if I wanted to suceed on philosophy but on a different field and get into the place I wanted to go, I would need more than the basic degree to get there. Maybe like 8-9 years on the university and maybe only then I had a real chance. In the end, it's not a degree that offers many options but I truly enjoyed the 3 years I was there. So as I said if being a teacher doesn't bother you as a secondary option if things doesn't go your way, then go for it and hopefully you will get what you want from it. We only live once afterall.
2019-01-27 11:39
I mean i like it because i really like debating lol I always want to be author or politician so it suits me well
2019-01-27 11:52
#92
GuardiaN | 
World Darge 
I did too, but I wouldn't run right into a philosophy degree without a clear idea of what you want to do with it. I mean, like some other people said it can open different doors to you, but I guess you don't get into philosophy if you want to be a journalist. Even if just a newcomer trying to develop myself, I was already a published writer when I got into it and even won some contests when I was a teenager. But do you write or are involved in politics in some way? Because if you don't then I would say that stuff it's not meant to you, otherwise at your age you would be already doing something related to that. Philosophy is tricky since it can be really interesting, but I wouldn't become a veterinarian because I love cats.
2019-01-27 12:16
Most comments above will be people who don't know what they're talking about. I don't know about the situation in other countries, but in America many decent to good jobs require just a bachelors degree, but it doesn't necessarily need to be in anything specific. With a philosophy degree you can get a job in the business world, in journalism, etc, However, there are jobs you obviously won't be able to get (computer scientist, engineer), and you need more specific degrees for them. The idea that a philosophy degree is useless is nonsensical because of how many companies only care if you have a degree at all. Personally I liked philosophy but wanted to be more practical and got a double major. However a philosophy degree absolutely will open some doors, and it will help you grow as a person, you just have to be sure it's right for you.
2019-01-27 11:40
It suits for me because i really like watching debate like ben shapiro and sth like that
2019-01-27 11:46
I wouldn't expect the environment to be much like that. While youtube debates "ben shapiro owns random college student!!!" can be entertaining, they don't really help you learn anything and are more about who is better at speaking than who has better ideas. I would watch a philosophy lecture to better gauge if it's really your interest.
2019-01-27 11:50
Well lecture can be boring sometimes thats why i prefer watching some ben shapiro and sth shit like that lol
2019-01-27 11:54
This ^
2019-01-28 15:05
Don't listen to the boys from a gaming forum. Philosophy is the most important subject. It might not grant you a well paid job but who cares about money? It will give you a different perception, a better understanding of the world in which we're living. You will be invincible to the looks of others, you will never be shaken by suspicious minds, it will make you a better man in all aspects and once you gain a solid foundation, you then can achieve anything in this world. Weak boys from any other subject couldn't even dream about.
2019-01-27 11:45
It can also make you mentally unstable haha
2019-01-27 11:46
Yeah but it can relate to any other subject as well ;) It requires some to achieve some!
2019-01-27 11:47
pretty sure the ppl that we claim "mentally unstable" are actually the ppl that are mentally stable in this society, if you just take a look around.
2019-01-27 11:49
Wooh! If you'd only know how much I agree with you. As much as a man possibly can. Actual 'unpopular opinions' don't get to be heard despite the tags and claims.
2019-01-27 11:50
Im just talking from personal experience. I stuided philosophy for two years and it fucked with my brain haha
2019-01-27 12:04
mayb its a good fucking?
2019-01-27 12:35
I will net you an average of 80 thousand a year with a bachelors so it's definitely good pay. Unfortunately a 2 year oil course will net you 120k a year if you like near the coast
2019-01-28 15:07
Money ain't a thing to look for if you want to live a happy life!
2019-01-28 15:08
But what really is life? Life is just time and witttenstien teaches us there is no death because all it is is the end of life but how can there be a death if it's not a moment in your life? Yet time is continuous so is our life?
2019-01-28 15:21
Life is the name of the game we're meant to play, every game out there ends at one point and the difference is, will you end it as a winner or a loser. Lucky us for only we and we alone set the standards of who is the winner and who is the loser. Given circumstances you must be very talented to still do and fuck this all up. Still there are many of this kind. Don't fail it please.
2019-01-28 15:25
keep trying kid i won this argument because you responded by being a troll hold your L i'll take my ez win. Its obvious youre projecting to everyone reading because you suck at live you keep doing that salty kid it fuels me that youre so mad that you cant respond to my post because you'll look even more salty if you do and your peers will laugh at you failing to troll and just projecting, kid now since i dont need your shit trolling enjoy the BLOCK
2019-01-28 15:32
How low one may fall! Candles lit, the wind won't blow... Here's the kid, fallen low.
2019-01-28 15:43
Anyone reading this never study poetry
2019-01-28 15:46
honestly go for it, i wanted to go for Computer specialist but my parents said that i should go for something else, so i went for something else like my parents said, i was really unhappy and ended up with depression i was thinking about killing myself and i failed at most exams, after 2 years i managed to change it back but it was really 2 years of wasted life pain and suffering.
2019-01-27 11:49
#60
acid | 
Estonia MC_Ride 
people who know about humanitarian subjects are generally interesting whereas pencil neck physics students or IT nerds are not. however, the nerds have an easier time finding a job and oftentimes a better paying job. depends on what you value more - easy carreer or yourself?
2019-01-27 11:55
I dont like nerds, theyre just weird Youre right, any social science student is really interesting and fun I prefer being happy for what i learn
2019-01-27 11:59
i study philosophy at uni. it's fine, but you need another subject in which you actually learn how shit works. sociology, linguistics, whatever, depending on the quality of the department.
2019-01-27 11:58
In my country a lot of companies look at the level youve graduated at. So if you have studied anything at uni, you prove that youre able to think and work at that level. Thats the most important part. You have to study something you enjoy, if you dont, graduating will be very difficult and you might have to work in a field you dont like even if you do. Of course there are also a lot of jobs that ask specific skills or a specific study of you. Im studying Psychology myself and am considering studying Philosophy of Psychology too (which i considered as an extra philosophy bachelor). Im not considering it because of career options, but because philosophy has always been interesting to me. I think you should use the same logic when looking for what to study.
2019-01-27 12:04
#75
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France Qu0sT 
You cannot really study only philosophy. You need another subject. Try to find something like law and philosophy or linguistic or even engineering and philosophy ( hard to grt but it exists in Paris for instance)
2019-01-27 12:03
Philosophy degree is not only useless for getting a job, it's also useless if you want to know philosophy, considering no degree can make you a philosopher and you can only learn so from a real philosopher, not a philosophy academic.
2019-01-27 12:04
It is useful if you can make it in another way like a speaker or politician
2019-01-27 12:05
#82
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World ZMDR 
Philosophy is a life skill, but its not very applicable in the work force. If you want to do it, do it as a secondary major.
2019-01-27 12:07
you just said exactly what i was going to
2019-01-27 12:18
+1 or ready books in free time. you dont university to teach yourself philosophy.
2019-01-27 12:21
#110
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World ZMDR 
+1
2019-01-27 14:20
pretty sure good philosophist can sell condoms to a monk. so pretty good in sales. and with online marketing booming like never before pretty sure, can work.
2019-01-27 12:36
absolutely useless
2019-01-27 12:10
#102
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India Bob__ 
+1
2019-01-27 12:23
#88
f0rest | 
Russia 1.6 FTW 
Philosophy ayyyyy
2019-01-27 12:12
Yes its useless
2019-01-27 12:12
Philosophy is pretty useless tbh.
2019-01-27 12:29
Don't study Philosophy bro. My girl graduated in it and she only managed to get some temp jobs here and there for short periods of time. Most useless study you can choose because you won't find a regular job. At least here in Belgium.
2019-01-27 12:59
#112
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Korea XigNw0w 
Aren't psychology jobs on the rise right now? When people are losing their minds and thinking that there are more than two genders etc.
2019-01-27 14:22
Not really. Only temp jobs to replace people who go on pregnacy leave or sick people.
2019-01-27 15:08
#127
frei | 
United Kingdom salad! 
psychology isn't philosophy
2019-01-27 15:45
#170
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Korea XigNw0w 
Oh, yep you are right, I mixed them up.
2019-01-28 11:25
#111
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Korea XigNw0w 
You decide, if it's interesting in your opinion, then it's not most likely useless.
2019-01-27 14:21
Do it if you want to, fuck your parents. Better than having to do something you don't like for the rest of your life
2019-01-27 14:25
Don't pick something because it's "usefull" or "useless", that's all bullshit, pick something YOU like, something YOU find interesting. It's your life and you are going to have to work to get whatever degree you choose to try and get, so pick something you want to do.
2019-01-27 14:27
That's bullshit. U need to pick something that gets you a steady job and good pay. Otherwise u wasted 3 years of your life for absolutely nothing.
2019-01-27 15:09
I get what you're saying, but IMO, if that's what you want to study, you should absolutely go for it. My sister studies dance/drama in Gent, I study music in Antwerp, my other sister studies to become a teacher, and we made those choices because those are the things we WANT to be doing, and jobwise it won't be easy, but at least you won't regret following your dreams.
2019-01-27 15:37
Yeah say that again when you can't find a steady job and are struggling in life to pay bills. But I get you. You should follow dreams but at some point you have to wake up and accept simple facts. Most dreams are just dreams.
2019-01-27 15:55
True as well, it's a tough ballance to make. I guess it's also pretty important to have some sort of back up plan, or even, if finances allow for it, get a second degree.
2019-01-27 16:06
t. unemployed guy with a useless degree
2019-01-27 15:32
if you think philoshophy is like TO BE OR NOT TO BE THAT'S THE QUESTION you are just a retard. Academic philosophy is kinda boring shit
2019-01-27 15:10
I did my degree in philosophy. It wasn't very useful in terms of finding a direct job, but it teaches you a lot of important critical thinking skills and I found it interesting. If you want my advice, don't study something other people made you do. Only causes trouble in long run, I've seen many people training to be engineers/doctors/lawyers because of parental pressure burn out and drop out of their course. Wastes 2-3 years of their life. Or maybe worse, they succeed and take the job but they don't enjoy it but are stuck doing it because it's all they know.
2019-01-27 15:17
+1 man, so many people choosing their study for the pay it has or the good job opportunitys (as in finding work easily), while it's also about getting to know yourself, growing as a person,...
2019-01-27 15:39
#126
frei | 
United Kingdom salad! 
+1 this is good advice
2019-01-27 15:40
#124
frei | 
United Kingdom salad! 
hey brother, do what you find the most fun. I'm in my first year at uni doing a joint math and philosophy degree so I'm lucky enough to have found a nice middle ground. I feel like philosophy is definitely my passion, but math is going to keep most of the doors open for me. at the end of the day, think about the career you're going to want at the end of it. don't just look at your salary after graduating, think about whether you'd actually enjoy the sort of job you're pursuing. best of luck to you friend
2019-01-27 15:38
#129
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Brazil siedlarczykK 
Follow what u like ma friend At university, u will always be tired and will want to drop from the course - Even in your dreamed carreer. Imagine in a course that u dont want to do Its your future, not their. Be strong
2019-01-27 16:00
if you like it, go ahead boi
2019-01-27 16:08
#132
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Norway bruhfessor 
If you like philosophy you should go study math and logic. Then u get employed atleast
2019-01-27 16:11
In my country this degree is kind of useless,I don't know about yours,but many people who like Philosophy also like Psychology.Both sciences have similarities and a psychology degree pays well.. I'd suggest you checking the curriculum in both psychology and philosophy to see if the subjects of each one interests you.But most importantly,you should choose what makes you happy.
2019-01-27 16:22
you know philisophy have quite big spectrum including math and physics.
2019-01-28 11:37
#229
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Brazil Collee 
+1
2019-01-28 15:13
#153
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Spain BAIT_MEISTER 
follow your heart not your parents heart. they wanna choose your future because they didnt choose the future they wanted.
2019-01-27 17:36
go engineering
2019-01-27 17:50
#158
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Sweden newerth4nu 
Who gives a shit if its useless if you enjoy it
2019-01-27 17:54
philosophy is great, it's just hard to find a good job But if you manage to be a teacher at university or something, then you'll probably enjoy your job Following a path which we didn't choose is never a good choice
2019-01-27 18:04
#162
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Other Malda4 
if you go for philosophy you could finally understand how retarded all these comments truly are but do you really need a degree for that ?
2019-01-27 18:35
#164
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Philosophy degree OMEGALUL Imagine spending 5 extra years in school just to make minimum wage at Lidl hahahahaa
2019-01-27 20:24
#173
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Turkey Slapdash 
You can be teacher or a professor. There is nothing you can do other than that. You can learn and think as a hobby though.
2019-01-28 11:31
people theese days go study for money or just for prestige not for interests and developing talent. Then 80% of them are frustrated that they wasted time. If you really good in this and want to be a good philosopher go for it. I have tons of examples from my friends who drop studies or really regret that they wasted time on things that they dont like and never will be wroing with.
2019-01-28 11:35
also remeber you can always drop after year or two its not that big waste. Yoo will never blame yourself that youve never tried and taste it.
2019-01-28 11:39
It's useless af.
2019-01-28 11:36
u should just pick it up as a hobby. theres not many jobs that you can apply for with such a degree. but do whatever you enjoy my friend. not my life not my rules.
2019-01-28 11:39
philosophy isn't about be useful or not, ok? ok it's useful itself, when things like engenering useful cuz it helps make money
2019-01-28 11:46
Chase what you're interested in
2019-01-28 12:06
Unless you get it from a top tier uni it’s probably not gunna be a very useful degree. That said uni is more than just a degree. If you go, have a good time, meet lots of people, have fun and get involved with societies then you’ll have a worthwhile time
2019-01-28 13:06
£9k a year to meet people and have fun. good advice.
2019-01-28 13:27
The way the loan system works in the uk is that if you don’t earn much you don’t pay.
2019-01-28 13:41
a person can either pay back £18k~ or be super unsuccessful in life for 30 years to avoid £18k~ of debt. unless you are doing a degree which is going to make you money or are rich, that is not very smart.
2019-01-28 14:08
So you go to uni, get a degree, one of two things happens: 1) The degree increases your earning potential. You earn more, therefore you pay your loan back through a graduate tax 2) the degree is worthless, you dont earn higher wages and you wont pay it back/or not much anyway
2019-01-28 15:21
i don't think you went to uni cuz you are not very smart. you don't need to have a degree to earn money. you can do a shit degree. then find a job that has nothing to do with your degree and end up paying the tuition fees back. that is the most likely outcome of doing a degree that has no value.
2019-01-28 15:28
If you do a degree and still get a good job once you graduate why does it matter?
2019-01-28 19:14
Why does being in debt £18k~ matter? Shuuuuuuuuut. Uppppppppp.
2019-01-28 23:05
The truth is almost all student debt goes unpaid in the British system, Matt is right. Many people will never even pay back the interest on their loan, and then the debt is wiped after around 40 years. So you never actually feel this burden of "+-£20,000 debt", instead you lose about 5% of your paycheck until you are 50yo. Which is what Mattt is referring to as a 'graduate tax'. The government here plans to extend the policy to become an ACTUAL tax in future to recoup some of these losses .
2019-01-28 23:22
I think if u earn over £25k pa they start deductions. £25k pa is not even a lot if money. If you intend to live under that your whole life GL. Your life will be shit. Povvo life. As far as i am concerned debt is debt whether the repayments are in manageable amounts or not. So if you gna be in debt it had better make sense.
2019-01-28 23:37
His initial comment referenced £9k a year so I assumed he was talking about the uk
2019-01-29 09:55
gender studies is a better degree imo
2019-01-28 13:27
It is useless but depends on the country you study it in. In Belgium, your degree in philosophy will be worth jack fucking shit, and it's literally the lowest paying university degree you can study. In the UK, for example, it can be a good degree, but only if you studied it in one of the big universities. Once you're coming from Oxford or Cambridge, it doesn't matter what you've studied, you'll get a good job. Different systems. If the name of the degree is more important than the name of the university in your country, then you should consider doing something that is NOT philosophy
2019-01-28 14:59
I'd say take the Philoshopy course,Engineering would earn you more money,more jobs but your life will be worse if you have a job that you dont enjoy.
2019-01-28 15:01
Its just like gender studies, you can wipe your ass with diploma.
2019-01-28 15:03
kek
2019-01-28 15:23
#217
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Sweden Kasidro 
Everyone should study philosophy, I'd like to see parts of it be mandatory for whatever you study as it really broadens our minds and makes us think in new ways, but as a degree it is rather useless. I studied philosophy for a year before I went for an engineering degree. Enjoyed it alot and I'd say it really benifted me as a person. If you aim to have a career within the field you need to be really passionate about it or you won't make it and can as the person above me said probably use the diploma as toilette paper
2019-01-28 15:05
Philosophy will be future's most highest paid job, and the most important. What do you think we need when we have 50 billion people at planet. We need alot of thinking, also engineers around the world are guessing that in future and its quantum technology you can actually do something very useful with thinking-power.
2019-01-28 15:05
#227
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
Hahaha. The most important philosophy lay in the past and didn't need technology. Kant and his friends are the founders of the modern civilization. Also some authors, especially in the 20th century, had a lot of philosophy aspects like Nietzsche or Hesse. Nowadays the Noland brothers and Matrix twins the most important philosopher LUL
2019-01-28 15:10
You my sir, have no idea what is going on at your planet. Past is past and irrelevant for our future. For the first time we have technology that might grant us immortality and other nice things. Also quantum technology is going to pretty much change everything we know. Even physic-laws, after all they work differently in different places. We dont even know is space what sized and what affect what. In example, fusion-technology ( probably granted with mathematical powers of quantum pc ) We dont know how black-holes work, why are they there, etc etc.. The fact is, our planet population of humans is rising too fucking fast to levels we cant take. Same time we have problems that we dont have energy. ( How did this happen you ask? ) Well too much of technology with old-school energy plants. Look at Australia, rip. What about food we are going to eat when we have 50bil?
2019-01-28 15:15
#232
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
The population increases yes. But philosophy will nothing change about that. So I don't know what you dreaming off.
2019-01-28 15:18
You need ethical and philosophical decisions, if something miraculous wont happen. Right now at this rate, our technology cant handle all that mass of humans.
2019-01-28 15:19
#238
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
You don't have it. We even fight each other in the same country. There is no way to get all people on the same kind of opinion and accept one system. The philosophy you talk about is so theoretical. And they never find a clear answer. Your argumentation doesn't justify a philosophy study. Einstein was a physicist and told also philosophy things. There is no need to study it to become one.
2019-01-28 15:24
#222
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
It is not useless but to find a job with it is very hard. You need the best grades to have a chance to earn enough money. Because you fight with politician and history students about jobs. Or you have some other great talents. As example writing. Also, philosophy makes fun but to be a philosopher you don't need to study it.
2019-01-28 15:07
its never useless to study at university. but atleast here in sweden there are not many philosophy jobs. thats why people say its useless. if you love it, and you can find a job from it, go for it.
2019-01-28 15:07
go with ur gut feelings fuck what ur parents think in 20 years they might be not alive anymore and it's you, who has to deal with it if u really love philosophy, go for it, i would say even studying about shit (literally) is good if you are into shit :D find your element
2019-01-28 15:08
Not useless especially as a pre law degree Average pay is 80k a year in the States best job you'll get is as a consaultant and or teacher Proof: major in it
2019-01-28 15:14
do Math. it is actually both engineering and philosophy
2019-01-28 15:23
Try psychology, I took some philosophy classes but now I'm studying psychology cause I think it's more interesting.
2019-01-28 15:45
#246
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United Kingdom munt_ 
Just go for Philosophy my dude if you enjoy it, its the only one worth doing. Why you wanna do philosophy anyway, you been keen for a while? U got a favourite philosopher?
2019-01-28 15:49
#247
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Czech Republic marekkingx 
philosophy is indeed very interesting. i would stick with it only as a hobby tho. it is quite useless, unless you want to teach philosophy in the future.
2019-01-28 15:59
Best advice you're going to get on here is: Keep the philosophy and take a joint major with something else The reasons are already well spelled out: - if you stop studying something you enjoy, you will resent your decision - the only employment that philosophy *directly* relates to is continuing to work in academia, and the chances of this happening are pretty much nil. I took a joint major myself, physics and philosophy. Now am years on and the philosophy has not helped me, I am instead a physicist, but I kept the philosophy at the time because it was interesting.
2019-01-28 23:13
#256
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Ukraine Najara 
Both useless I am DJ and get 32k$/month
2019-01-29 09:56
#257
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United States KusaWasTaken 
I mean ultimately the question would you expect to be happier having a life with a philosophy degree or engineering, right? I kinda had to make the same decision recently, i know for myself im pretty confident in my decision to study philosophy. Putting aside the "just study what you enjoy" attitude many people have(which isnt entirely unreasonable given most people end up in jobs unrelated to their major) you have to ask if you'd be ok with the sort of jobs you could expect to get because of the degree. Idk what its like in the philipines, but for me i know the two main career paths i can expect to have is becoming a professor, or going to law school. Idk if im cut out for law school, but im reasonably sure id be happy teaching at a research university. I believe you should be ok with at least one of the options you can expect to have open up after getting your degree. I think its also worth considering backup plans, and other possibilities that might be a little more far fetched. As im sure you know, philosophy is a very broad field with many branches you could choose to specialize in. Personally, because I expect to go to UC Berkeley, I know that they have one of the best computer science programs in my country. Because of this I am working on computer science classes before going there, and i plan to specialize in symbolic logic. In short i cant give you a yes/no answer because i do not know your circumstance, nor where your specific interest lie, but there are some real practical reasons for pursuing a philosophy degree other than just enjoying it. Also one last thing... people with philosophy degrees get accepted into law school and even medical school at higher rates than almost any other major including poli sci in the case of law school. Im gonna stop typing now, but if you wanna talk more id continue. also #251 might just be saying what i am in less words... lmao
2019-01-29 10:43
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