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TOP 20 GOATs - CALCULATED (2012-2018)
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Made in Partnership with [HLTV Writers] One of the most popular and controversial questions in the current scene is one which has been debated about for years now: who is the Greatest Of All Time? Many have attempted to create a list like that, but rarely is it unbiased or accurate at all, since it's hard to find the perfect balance between individual and team achievements by personal judgement. But there is one thing which completely ignores bias - maths! So, I think I have been able to create the formula for calculating the Greatest Of All Time. - Explaining the "GOAT formula" [!] IN ORDER TO PREVENT CONFUSION, READ THE FOLLOWING [!] First, let me explain how it works. The first and the most important component of the formula is so called 'R' component. It uses the most anticipated part of the HLTV - Top 20 Players Ranking. The way to calculate points for the rating was subtracting the placement of the player on every list he appeared at and multiplying it by the amount of times the player appeared on Top20 lists overall. R = N * (21*N - (Z1 + Z2 ... + Z6)), where Zn is the placement of the player on a certain list, N is the total amount of appearances on the list. For example, let's calculate JW's "R" component: 1. JW placed on the Top 20 lists three times (2013-2015), therefore N = 3 2. His placements from 2013 to 2015 are #8, #5 and #10, therefore Z1 = 8, Z2 = 5, Z3 = 10 3. Now let's calculate: R = N * (21*N - (Z1 + Z2 + Z3)) R = 3 * (21*3 - (8 + 5 + 10)) R = 3 * (63 - 23) R = 3*40 So, JW's R = 120, which means he will get 120 points for the ranking. Now, the other components are Mv, M and MMv: Mv = N, is the amount of MVPs received, which means every MVP is worth 1 point. M = 3*N, is the amount of Major trophies, which means every Major is worth 3 points. MMv = 5*N, is the amount of Major MVPs, which means every Major MVP is worth 5 points. Let's calculate coldzera's Mv, M and MMv, as an example: 1. coldzera won 6 MVPs, so Mv = 6 2. coldzera won 2 Majors, so M = 3*2 = 6 3. coldzera won 2 Major MVPs, so MMv = 5*2 = 10 So, his Mv, M and MMv add up to 22 points for the ranking. Conclusion: G = R + Mv + M + MMv, where G represents the amount of points a player gets. Now, that you understand how this works, I can reveal the Top 20 GOATs of CS:GO! [!] DISCLAIMER [!] - As the title suggests, it only includes numbers from 2012 to 2018, which means GuardiaN and NAF won't get an additional point for their MVPs in 2019. 1 | GuardiaN - 403 points 2 | device - 382 points 3 | kennyS - 322 points 4 | flusha - 233 points 5 | dupreeh - 227 points 6 | GeT_RiGhT - 225 points 7 | shox - 223 points 8 | f0rest - 219 points 9 | Snax - 214 points 10 | olofmeister - 192 points 11 | coldzera - 175 points 12 | s1mple - 158 points 13 | NiKo - 145 points 14 | JW - 136 points 15 | KRiMZ - 125 points 16 | NBK - 106 points 17 | FalleN - 78 points 18 | Happy - 62 points 19 | Xyp9x - 58 points 20 | fer - 55 points Do you agree with the list? What do you agree or disagree on? Be sure to leave a comment! And thank you for reading!
2019-01-29 14:24
Very weird calculation of points for top placements..
2019-01-29 14:28
#4
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thank you, Mr. S1mplus_Electroncere. :]
2019-01-29 14:30
nope.
2019-01-29 14:28
#5
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Why do you disagree?
2019-01-29 14:30
imho its a bad way to rank
2019-01-29 15:15
#88
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1
2019-01-30 01:12
2012-2018 fer > s1mple
2019-01-29 14:28
#7
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I mean, fer's highest ranking is #3 and he appeared twice only, while s1mple got #1 for the last year and appeared three times.
2019-01-29 14:31
+1
2019-01-30 08:05
#13
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United States Jamila 
fer was stuck in trash tier scene for 3 years
2019-01-29 14:40
#89
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Europe thaifinnen 
so was s1mple
2019-01-30 01:13
#16
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Ukraine beazztov 
OMEGALUL, you are braindead brazilian mad fan
2019-01-29 14:45
flag checks out
2019-01-30 14:34
+1 for all the effort which was put in and I agree with most of it
2019-01-29 14:31
#8
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thank you, Mr. lostspirit. :] And then people say they will never need maths in life!
2019-01-29 14:33
#32
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Turkey SLendeRuLeZ 
You could've done all by excel and not use your second system of your brain for a single calculation.
2019-01-29 15:06
Well this is a repost that ive seen a few days ago. And its obviously accurate but if you're talking about general skill ceiling s1mple is number one but hes only been in the top scene for 2 years and following all his controversy from 2014-15 till 2017 and his esl ban obviously hindered him in this ranking tremendously. Also if you based this and rescaled it from time in the top scene the list would be tremendously different aswell seeing the likes of coldzera, s1mple, niko, and fer being higher than preseved in this ranking.
2019-01-29 14:32
Props for the effort.
2019-01-29 14:33
#11
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thank you, Mr. AlbinoFarrabino. :]
2019-01-29 14:34
+1
2019-01-29 23:08
stopped reading at 1
2019-01-29 14:37
+1
2019-01-29 20:57
#90
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1
2019-01-30 01:13
#14
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Ukraine R0m4nus 
Nice one man
2019-01-29 14:41
#42
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thanks, Mr. R0m4nus. :]
2019-01-29 20:37
#15
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Ukraine dashbug 
Nice
2019-01-29 14:45
#43
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thank you, Mr. dashbug. :]
2019-01-29 20:37
#17
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Finland Alko^ 
f0rest /closed
2019-01-29 14:47
#18
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Finland Alko^ 
The thing is that when you talk about those noobs you cant talk about "all time" cs was released in 1999
2019-01-29 14:49
#26
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I couldn't find any other phrase that would be short enough to create a good title, but for clarification, I tagged it as "Counter-Strike: Global Offensive". Though, if we talk CS in general, f0rest is the definite winner.
2019-01-29 14:58
The title specifically mentions 2012 to 2018 So talking about all time is useless
2019-01-29 14:59
#30
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Finland Alko^ 
Lets talk about the all time with f0rest 14 years peak
2019-01-29 15:00
I never ever seen anybody on the site who hasnt agreed that forest is the goats when all 3 games are calculated but idc this thread is csgo and forest is lucky to be top 10 csgo
2019-01-29 15:15
If you don't include f0rest in top10 of Cs:Go I got to say you've got no idea of cs actually, with all due respect.
2019-01-29 21:03
Niko and simple only need one more good year to knock him out Forest is 9th at best
2019-01-29 22:43
Which would be your top?
2019-01-30 07:53
#19
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Even tho I disagree I must give respect for the work that went into this
2019-01-29 14:50
#44
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thank you, Mr. Rewask. :] I would like to know what you disagree on, actually.
2019-01-29 20:39
#52
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Czech Republic Rewask 
I think you overexaggarate the importance that the hltv top20 list has, but I understand that you can't ever do a completely accurate listed only by counting, because numbers ain't everything. Very cool anyways, thanks Mr. niXoN|w1 :]
2019-01-29 20:53
#91
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1
2019-01-30 01:14
Mad simple fangays that think csgo started in 2018 incoming in 3..2..1..
2019-01-29 14:51
#22
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Ukraine dashbug 
Well s1mple since 2016 is cool
2019-01-29 14:54
But he was not #1, whereas his fans look at the last year and automatically go with "simple goat, most consistent, best awp, rifle, pistol ever" shit
2019-01-29 14:56
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Korea crepes 
meh, although I think people over amplify how good he is just because CS is peeking in concurrent users & this is the year most people have experienced and remember buuut he's still pretty fucking good, not number 1 yet, but close to it
2019-01-30 08:32
I never said he's bad, actually hes a fucking beast, but those 10yo fans just ruin everything with their stupidness
2019-01-30 19:53
#168
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United States tremm 
+1
2019-01-30 19:51
ecovice lul LUL
2019-01-29 14:51
#46
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Yeah LUL. He only had been in Top5 for 4 consecutive years, won 2 Majors with a Major MVP. OMEGALUL
2019-01-29 20:40
#23
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Russia Men))) 
GuardiaN only one in top10 who dont have a major. And still he is 1st. Wow! Really goat!
2019-01-29 14:54
#48
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I mean, if you think about it: 1. GuardiaN made 3 Major finals before, and one of them (Boston) was stolen by Cloud9. Notice how I say stolen, deserved, but stolen. 2. He has been in the game since Dec. 2012, earned a #2 award only behind olof. 3. He was regarded as the best sniper in the entire world for small periods of time sprinkled around different years.
2019-01-29 20:43
#138
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Serbia ravi0ll1 
He was in the top 20 every year in csgo, wasnt he?
2019-01-30 11:17
yep, he is now one and only player to made it to every top20, kennyS is behind him, unfortunately he havent made it last year
2019-01-31 12:09
Stolen my ass Faze choked and that shit it dawg
2019-01-30 16:33
he is considered as best awper for last 3 years and he is most consistent player throught years
2019-01-31 12:09
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FalleN | 
Brazil Didico 
Bad formula
2019-01-29 14:56
#28
Romania jDT 
Man...there is no goat without major. all MVPs and everything are useless without majors title. in each history and everything goats were persons which won titles, championships and so on. to gave n1 to s1mple this year was a mistake...device deserved it. ( not astralis fan). so goat shall be between majors winners
2019-01-29 14:59
#49
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I mean, to say "to gave n1 to s1mple this year" you don't have to be an Astralis fan, you just have to be stupid.
2019-01-29 20:44
He's right tho, the best player should be the one playing in the best team.
2019-01-30 00:53
#95
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Europe thaifinnen 
so s1mple has to play in astralis to n1?
2019-01-30 01:16
He has to win events. ESL One Cologne was the only relevant event he won in 2018 while device won 10 tier 1 events.
2019-01-30 02:19
Doesn't really make sense really. It's the best PLAYER of the year. Not the best team. S1mple himself carried Na'Vi to a lot of tournament wins over 2018 (both big and smaller events). S1mple is the best player right now and there is no question about it. I will say that Device is the best awp'er of 2018 closely followed by Guardian.
2019-01-30 08:44
But still, The Best player HAS TO WIN if he wants to be considered as the #1. It's like giving the #1 to ZywOo who has never won anything relevant
2019-01-30 08:55
If you take a look at the tournaments S1mple and Na'Vi have won over 2018 it is quite a lot. Not saying that they won everything but all tournaments that they won S1mple was the mvp. S1mple was also the MVP when the team finished 2nd twice. Also anybody else pales in comparrison to S1mple's stats and overall consistency.
2019-01-30 08:59
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Romania jDT 
man please go on youtube and listen thorin comparison between neo and forest and you will see that majors counts maximum. ok, simple, guardian or anyone who doesnt have a major will not be the goat.
2019-01-30 10:27
I have already seen those videos what are you talking about. He compares those two with how many majors they have won because they were almost just as good as each other. If you listen to Thorin aswell he says that S1mple is the best player in the world. Also i have never mentioned that S1mple is the GOAT. I would more or less give that to f0rest, neo or GeT_RiGhT.
2019-01-30 10:41
#127
Romania jDT 
i agree with you that he is the best and has big chances to be the biggest if he change the team.
2019-01-30 10:53
TBH the Na'Vi squad right now might be the best we will ever see. Electronic, S1mple and zeus are probably the pieces that need to stay. If they should do a roster move then i think it should be flamie. Reason being he isn't very impactful. But TBH what player would you at this moment change any Na'Vi player out with. They could go for a young player but that would be risky and a lot of the CIS region lacks consistently good players. It's actually the same with denmark. Other than astralis the only good player are Valde. The CS scene pretty much set as of right now IMO.
2019-01-30 11:10
Zeus will retire in 2019,thats the problem
2019-01-30 14:46
There probably isn't another IGL that is as good as zeus though. Na'Vi will probably go back to how they were before Zeus rejoined. If they could get Ange1 that might be good. Other then that it's probably just gonna be crap.
2019-01-31 12:00
#151
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Europe thaifinnen 
is pronax jw flusha the best ever since they got 3 majors? i agree that the majors will have most impact for their legacy and astralis will go down as one of if not the best team in history. when csgo is dead and we will talk goat s1mple will surly have atleast one major at his belt
2019-01-30 13:53
#150
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Europe thaifinnen 
if you're comparing s1mple with zywooo who has preformed at 2 tier 2 event with s1mple who har performed the whole 2018 at t1 events man. csgo is a teamgame yes but just because youre in the best team doesnt mean you have the best player in the world. S1mple was in a navi who is far away from astralis but s1mple is better than all of the astralis players
2019-01-30 13:48
Try to put s1mple in Astralis, he wouldn't drop 30 bombs like he does in Na'vi
2019-01-30 13:58
#157
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Europe thaifinnen 
its ez to frag in a good team because you have teammates who help you its harder to drop 30 bombs when you're on eco half the game
2019-01-30 15:38
Again this idiotic comparison... Zywoo hasnt even played a big event yet,s1mple carried his team in big events in abiut 95% if matches
2019-01-30 14:44
#93
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1
2019-01-30 01:16
you should divide the points by the number of years that the player participated. Ex: player A made 300 points over 5 years -> 300/5 = 60 player B made 150 points only but entered the scenario 2 years ago: 150/2 = 75 What do you think of this idea?
2019-01-29 15:00
#39
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Brazil zhrp 
+1 then it would be fair.
2019-01-29 15:21
#40
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Sweden Ivorn 
Then it world not be 2012-2018 really... plus When u calculate GOAT u should not try to even it out....
2019-01-29 15:27
#50
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Interesting idea, but, I guess, that would be the count of peak performances. As I mentioned in the articleI was trying to create the formula that would benefit veterans over players who appeared later in the game. I guess you could say, that this is the list of the most legendary players.
2019-01-29 20:51
#61
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
"articel" btw LOL
2019-01-29 21:05
thats the reason why its the GOAT - the greatest of ALL TIME...you cant just consider and divide certain period of time and give advantage to players that are here for shorter period of time
2019-01-29 21:04
#1 rank means way more than a player that played for 2 more years and have decent ranks but not #1 just like GuardiaN...
2019-01-30 08:52
Man, being on top since beginning, being in every single top20+more achievements (guardian) is way, WAY more valuable than being 1st once but relevant only +-2 years on the highest level(s1mple) if we are talking about the goat. S1mple has higher peak for sure but in term of history, guardian >>> s1mple
2019-01-30 11:04
S1mple have been better than GuardiaN every year he have been in the scene at the big stage
2019-01-30 11:04
That still doesn't change anything about what I wrote. You can calculate their top20 placements by yourself... S1mple isn't even in Top10 based on that... GOAT asi about WHOLE HISTORY and not about certain period where s1mple was better
2019-01-30 11:12
HAHA low IQ retard hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. Played less years and still same amount of MVP's and have better rank in top 20 every year he have been in it
2019-01-30 11:16
Ok I will not waste more my time with diehard fanboy of s1mple who doesn't even know what "the greatest of ALL TIME" even means. Stay deluded, bye
2019-01-30 11:17
haha like those early years made any difference at all you retard when he was not even #1 at one point aswell HAHA Those stats are sick tho for sure Kappa
2019-01-30 11:18
We have to agree that GuardiaN is the most consistent csgo player ever. Best? Probably not because there were players that were slightly better than him in different periods. But certainly the most consistent.
2019-01-29 15:04
#51
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Absolutely true. But that was the intension - to place the more consistent veterans over less experienced rookies. I mean, in a year or two, the list will shift quite heavily.
2019-01-29 20:53
#96
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Europe thaifinnen 
yes most consistent player of csgo but never #1 in the world
2019-01-30 01:18
#35
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Brazil Boldro1965 
Wow. I really wasted time to build this shit. Gz
2019-01-29 15:18
+1
2019-01-29 15:20
8/8
2019-01-29 15:20
not b8)
2019-01-29 15:20
I dont completely agree on that number of appearances are that important. Maybe say "R = (N/2) ..." instead. Dunno how the result would be though. Otherwise its pretty good.
2019-01-29 15:48
#60
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thanks, Mr. Doktor_Q. :] But, by lowering using N/2, the impact of Majors and MVPs would be much higher, and I wanted for that to be an additional "tie-breaker" component, which serves as a booster, as the individual achievements were more highly prioritized.
2019-01-29 21:05
fair enough
2019-01-31 14:19
#45
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United Kingdom TheBoxerKick 
Appreciate the effort. +1
2019-01-29 20:40
#57
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thank you, Mr. TheBoxerKick. :]
2019-01-29 21:00
Yup. This is the most accurate one
2019-01-29 20:43
#56
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thanks, Mr. OwlOfMoist. :] Your username is pretty disturbing, though.
2019-01-29 20:59
I know Mr. Nixon :D who is an ex president of the USA but regardles you are from Ukraine
2019-01-29 21:18
Wouldn't that mean that a player who just got in the top 20 of one year would have a one who was very close (21 or something)? anyway pretty detailed, good job!
2019-01-29 20:55
#55
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I didn't really understand your question, but the whole idea over subtracting the placement from 21 is that if you got #1, it's 20 points, if you got #20 - you got 1 point. And thank you, Mr. FelleShabben.
2019-01-29 20:59
No sorry, I brain farted. My question was, since you don't know who was number 21 of lets say 2015, number 20 on the list for 2015 got a pretty big advantage over one he "technically" just was above by one, because you added points for #20 but not #21. But I guess it's just a very minor detail, wouldn't really change anything in the big picture.
2019-01-29 21:07
#64
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Oh, okay, I get it. But the impact of that would be noticable only if the #21 player scored on any other lists, therefore giving him a N+1 multiplier. But most of the time, those players are rookies or mediocre players of great teams, so they wouldn't probably appear on the list anyway.
2019-01-29 21:10
#63
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Brazil TonimSan 
I'll give you props for the work, but your method takes completely away the weight of the position in the top 20. Dupreeh best position in a top 20 since 2013 is 5th, but he is overall better positioned than Get_Right, Olof, Cold and Simple. HE IS AHEAD OF EVERY SINGLE PLAYER THAT WAS ELECTED THE BEST OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!! MAKES NO SENSE!
2019-01-29 21:09
thats the reason why its the GOAT and not the player with higher peak...guardian never was 1st and yet he is 1st here. s1mple was first once and he inst even top10 overall. not saying that i agree with dupreeh in top5 but the thing that he was 5th once doesnt mean that he cant be that high and before players that had 1x 1st place
2019-01-29 21:14
#147
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
In 6 editions of CSGO top 20, both Coldzera and GeT_RiGhT got #1 2 times each. This should be enough to make them ahead of almost everyone. About Dupreeh, if you do a simpler point based R-factor, where #1 is worth 20 points, and #20 is worth 1 point, Cold has 52 points in 3 appearances, while Dupreeh has 39 points in 5 appearances. About Guardian, I agree he is one of the best, and probably top 5 in all time CSGO, but 1st definitely no.
2019-01-30 13:24
#68
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
YES, I AM AWARE OF THAT!!!!!!!!!!! But seriously, the formula favors the consistent players and veterans. coldzera didn't even play a single match in 2014, but dupreeh scored Top20 that year (#16, to be exact). He appeared in 5 list, in fact. Which means, in historical context, he is more of a legend to CS:GO than coldzera. Though, you are free to call me a retard if I ever say that dupreeh's peak performance is higher than coldzera's. coldzera has been a monster in 2016 and 2017, no doubt.
2019-01-29 21:16
#84
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Other khorkalba 
Long term consistency is the same argument VP fans use to say that the old VP lineup was better than NiP, Fnatic, SK, etc because they stayed together longer. In my opinion it's more legendary to have a really high peak and be #1 in the world for two years in a row (like Coldzera) than to consistently appear in the top 20 every year but never be close to #1 (like Dupreeh). Just the same as it's more impressive for a team to dominate and be #1 like Fnatic than to hover around the top 5 for multiple years like VP.
2019-01-30 00:45
#98
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1
2019-01-30 01:23
#97
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1
2019-01-30 01:21
Its only about goat of csgo? Becouse if not you miss neo 100%
2019-01-29 21:11
#69
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
>Title: (2012-2018) >Topic: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
2019-01-29 21:16
2012 was still with cs1.6
2019-01-29 22:51
That wouldnt make neo top 10 anyway
2019-01-30 01:02
#99
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Europe thaifinnen 
neo has never been the 1.6 god in csgo :/
2019-01-30 01:23
yep i know but still he is in goat conversation
2019-01-30 19:36
#164
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Europe thaifinnen 
yes but this thread is about csgo goat
2019-01-30 19:37
yep i realised that ;p
2019-01-30 19:37
Interesting formula to calculate this ranking!
2019-01-29 21:13
#70
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
Thank you, Mr. The_Grey_Wanderer! :]
2019-01-29 21:17
#73
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Asia BodeFuceta 
bot guardian number 1 perfect ranking
2019-01-29 22:47
Disagree highly with the outcome just by looking at the players also there is so much more to being the greatest ever. However cool formula and a lot of effort so well done
2019-01-29 22:51
#76
f0rest | 
Brazil arck 
Nice way to ranking! I thought S1mple would be better ranked...
2019-01-29 23:00
Thats because this is a shit way to rank players , just because a player played from the start he will have more points even tho that is bullshit S1mple started to play at the big stage in 2016 he played some shit LAN's and so on in 2014-2015 aswell but not much
2019-01-30 08:50
this is a bad way of calculating it
2019-01-29 23:02
#78
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Finland no_man 
i arent think that
2019-01-29 23:03
Interesting attempt. Gj.
2019-01-29 23:10
#81
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
I mean the calculations check out, but the overall result is a bit questionable. 1. Guardian? I arent think that. 10. Olof? I arent think that
2019-01-29 23:12
#82
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Other khorkalba 
A simpler method would be to just give 20pts for being #1, 19pts for being #2, 18pts for being #3 etc. and then add up for every year of the HLTV rankings. There should be significant points penalty for AWPers though, because the HLTV staff don't take into consideration how easy the weapon is. I would also add more bonus points for being a major MVP, as this is something every player dreams of - like being the best player at a world cup. HLTV have undervalued this in recent years.
2019-01-30 00:39
#83
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
I will definitely count that when I update the list next year, since I don't see a reason to do it now. But thank you for constructive criticism, Mr. khorkalba. :]
2019-01-30 00:40
#100
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Europe thaifinnen 
i have a list like that in my profile with all the top 20 from 2013-18 with a scoreboard if you want to see it man
2019-01-30 01:24
#166
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Other khorkalba 
Looks a lot more accurate than niXoN's list. In hindsight, it's still not a perfect method though. If a player really dominates and has a godlike year as the #1 player then they probably deserve more than just 1 extra pt. Perhaps they deserve 25pts total. But then it gets complicated when you have a year like 2014 where the #1 is really close to #2, to the point where lots of people disagree that they were #1. Olofmeister / Dupreeh being on the same amount of pts is an example where having a really high peak and being #1 in the world should give Olof the edge over Dupreeh who has just been consistently good but never great. Major MVPs perhaps deserve a 5 pts bonus as well, and it still feels like star AWPers have an unfair advantage over the rest.
2019-01-30 19:42
#175
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Europe thaifinnen 
yes its not perfect it's impossible to have a formula for the goat debate since everyone has their own opinion. the list gives more points to the consistance player and it doesnt show it all. as you said dupreeh and olof on the same point but we all know dupreeh and olof isnt close in the goat debate
2019-01-30 21:05
I think device deserves to be the GOAT but i respect the effort you put into this
2019-01-30 00:57
#92
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Turkey drizit 
good work, finally somebody says something based on stats. I like it.
2019-01-30 01:15
#94
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Brazil oJama 
alright list though you are only taking note by results like mvps if you want a really accurate list you would need stats, consistency of the player, tournaments championships. like imo olof, cold,s1mple>snax for an example. but some of the placements are really accurate gj
2019-01-30 01:16
What the actual fuck
2019-01-30 01:26
3 | kennyS - 322 points 6 | GeT_RiGhT - 225 points 7 | shox - 223 points 8 | f0rest - 219 points 9 | Snax - 214 points Make it happen. Name would be TEAM GOAT
2019-01-30 01:28
GeT_RiGhT would be a bad fit tbh. He kinda sucks nowadays
2019-01-30 02:20
Nope
2019-01-30 05:17
What's the factor 21? (21*N)
2019-01-30 02:34
+1
2019-01-30 08:09
#129
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
21 is just for subtraction. So if a player scores #1, he gets 20 points (21-1) If he scores #14, he gets 7 points
2019-01-30 10:58
#108
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India PussyHound 
Ask Saudis and pakistanis for top goats they will tell you everything you need to know.
2019-01-30 08:00
GODian😍
2019-01-30 08:22
GuardiaN? That far slob? Excellent bait
2019-01-30 08:24
Im the only one that cringe so hard on these shit rankings ? #1 is worth 100000000x more than any shit rank below that Top 5 on that list is the worst shit list ever S1mple olofmeister coldzera GTR those 4 is 100% the best players in CSGO , S1mple have not won as much but is that really a suprise with the shit teams he plays for but he is still miles ahead of GTR,olofmeister,coldzera in terms of skill and firepower Also MVP does not just mean MVP , MVP's can mean much more compared to another MVP and im not just talking about Major MVP vs Big event MVP youtube.com/watch?v=0EkRzyvP75A&t
2019-01-30 08:43
Consistency > #1 for 1 year Open your eyes s1mple fanboy
2019-01-30 08:56
S1mple 2016 #4 2017 #8 2018 #1 Yes indeed Only 21 years aswell many years left compared to grandpa GuardiaN S1mple career basicly started 2016 and got better rank every year compared to GuardiaN
2019-01-30 09:00
And that's why simple is not goat
2019-01-30 11:33
if you say so LUL
2019-01-30 11:43
By your logic, zywoo will be goat if he gets number 1 in 2019.
2019-01-30 12:34
His first year its not S1mple first year ? And S1mple got best #1 stats ever in CSGO and Zyw0o have 0 games at big events
2019-01-30 12:49
You said simple is goat because he was ranked above guardian in every year of his career. That means zywoo is goat if he is number 1 this year and coldzera was goat when he was number one after 2016. Good logic
2019-01-30 13:46
you are on drugs
2019-01-30 13:47
Are you saying that your logic is dumb? I agree
2019-01-30 14:19
You are bringing up a player that dont have that #1 or any MVP's He have 0 games at big events If he for some reason got #1 this year he need to break S1mple record in terms of stats and get more MVP's than 8 atleast then he is the better player for sure And i counted 3 years not 1 and every year S1mple played he was better than GuardiaN If a new player comes to the scene and lets say he gets some unrealistic numbers like 1.50+ rating and 10+ MVP's at big events its clear that he is the GOAT S1mple have always been good and he is doing this by playing for bad teams In 2018 S1mple broke many records First player to get 1000+ K/D difference in 1 year First player to get 2 MVP's without winning the event First player to get 6 MVP's in one year to bad device did break that record after with 7 MVP's because of his team And his overall stats compared to any #1 player before makes them look bad
2019-01-30 16:38
#167
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Australia vamped 
Congrats for being without a doubt THE most blind fanboy I’ve ever seen on hltv. Look at you arguing like 5 times with different people. Go to google and work out what greatest of ALL TIME means. Not greatest of the last 3 years. Fuck even then simple wouldn’t be #1
2019-01-30 19:50
Played more years with way worse ranks or less years but better ranks every year with way better stats and same/more MVP's Not hard to see who is better
2019-01-30 20:24
#172
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Australia vamped 
Yes and in 1-2 years if he continues he will 100% be the best ever. Not right now though.
2019-01-30 20:53
LUL
2019-01-30 20:54
Zywoos career basically started in 2019 and got better rank every year compared to s1mple This is exactly what you said and it's exactly what I will say if zywoo gets #1 I'm not saying that zywoo will get that, I'm just pointing out that you're an idiot
2019-01-31 07:44
Nope you are , you are braindead if you think the gap betwen 5 and 3 years and 3 and 1 year is the same , 2013-2014 means almost nothing for CSGO If Zyw0o gets #1 and have a much better rating and more MVP's than S1mple did in 2018 its clear as hell that he is the most skilled player of all time S1mple did not play during the easy time of CSGO like GuardiaN did ( at the big scene ) S1mple have better ranks every year he have been in the big scene compared to GuardiaN and he got #1 something GuardiaN dont S1mple have same amount of MVP's in less years S1mple have MUCH better stats compared to GuardiaN So if you gonna say that 2 years more in a much less competetive time makes you more the GOAT compared to some1 with less years but have all time best stats same amount of MVP's in less years and got #1 something GuardiaN dont Here go and spam his twitter aswell while you are so mad and braindead twitter.com/SPUNJ/status/105960070764331..
2019-01-31 08:28
It's not 2 more years, it's 2013 2014 and 2015. You're welcome
2019-01-31 09:12
He played in 2015 not just as much to get a rank same with coldzera in 2015 even tho he had stats better than many players hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. He did just not have a team to play in big events
2019-01-31 09:16
It was you who said his career started in 2016, not me
2019-01-31 10:34
If he becomes the #1 in his first full year of playing high level CS,it's not bold to predict he might become become the GOAT
2019-01-31 12:04
GuardiaN too old to be top3, but he made every year top20 and that means only one thing, he is consistent player throught all years
2019-01-31 12:15
device aint no goat. Hes a eco fragger
2019-01-30 08:42
I kinda like this but it definitely shows more most consistent player of all time rather than greatest of all time, but I still like what you have done, i like a mathematical approach towards this rather than just blatant I like this player more. I think perhaps more emphasis should be placed on the placings of each year so that people that consistently top 20 (who deserve a place on this list) but perhaps not greatest of all time. Still nice list though i just reckon needs a little bit of refining because although guardian is a very good player and consistent I just dont think he is the GOAT of csgo (btw i quite like guardian)
2019-01-30 09:02
0/8 for dupreeh and no Scream
2019-01-30 10:35
good list tbh
2019-01-30 10:57
mvps only 1 point? would give much much more for an mvp
2019-01-30 11:09
Nice
2019-01-30 11:13
I smell something... oh... it's your list
2019-01-30 11:14
Although it does have its flaws, I like it.
2019-01-30 11:19
#142
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Turkey tastemycobra 
Good but what about evp’s? They would change a lot if included. However, i think they haven’t been a thing until 2-3 ago.
2019-01-30 11:20
they havent changed that much tbh, GuardiaN had almost every tournament evp and from time to time mvp
2019-01-31 12:16
WAIT WHAT?
2019-01-30 15:42
Doesn’t make any sense How tf does JW gets 120 points only for placements While cold gets only 22 for major mvps and mvps and shit
2019-01-30 16:33
Flusha is a God
2019-01-30 17:02
NT Flusha
2019-01-31 12:38
im not flusha wtf
2019-01-31 12:39
#169
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United States tremm 
ur triggering s1mple fangays lul
2019-01-30 19:52
#174
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United States ARKTYC 
Formula is smart and I like what you did there but... GuardiaN #1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2019-01-30 20:56
Snaxik
2019-01-31 09:15
WOW - what an amazing effort put in to this..? GJ..! I think I would fine tune the formula, though... As I understand it, two #10 rankings equals one #1 ranking (approximately), which seems a bit unfair. Maybe a few tweaks could even that out? Maybe adding a little extra points for top 5 placings or something... But really good job, man..!
2019-01-31 12:43
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