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Thoughts on NAF?
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
I feel like he is under appreciated for what he does, he is literally the best NA CS:GO player of all time (argueably) but nobody talks about him what do you think of his playstyle
2019-01-31 09:55
Overrated NA player
2019-01-31 09:57
No
2019-01-31 09:58
He's good. But not that good.
2019-01-31 11:13
#90
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
#6 in the world, "not that good", lmao
2019-01-31 16:36
I would still pick twistz, mahisk and dupreeh over him any day of the week. He is top 10 at best.
2019-01-31 17:52
#109
SileNt | 
United States rad1ey 
"I would take top 2 players off the best team in the world over him." Just a moronic statement.
2019-01-31 17:58
What's your point? magisk/dupreeh/twistz>naf, you don't need triple digit iq to realize that.
2019-01-31 17:59
#117
SileNt | 
United States rad1ey 
he's better than twistzz, check HLTV ratings, number of MVPs. /close There are very few players better than the astralis players currently. Saying someone is worse than them means little to nothing at all as almost every player is worse. Just pointless mention.
2019-01-31 18:46
magisk is actually ranked below naf, + numbers don't necessarily mean a player is good or not, look at device for example.
2019-01-31 18:58
#119
SileNt | 
United States rad1ey 
by literally 1 placing.
2019-01-31 19:10
Agreed, device sux
2019-02-01 15:58
#134
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Slovakia t4gg3d 
So you started watching CS in September, good. NAF was literally top4 until July, than Twisstz played good for like 5 months whilst NAF was still good...
2019-02-01 10:47
Signed up 2018-01-07 nt
2019-02-01 14:57
#143
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Slovakia t4gg3d 
Except I watched CS since 2016, I just didn't have a reason to write something on the forums until that date
2019-02-01 15:53
still better than all denmark players except dupreeh
2019-01-31 16:55
And Device
2019-01-31 16:59
haha you are so funny, almost every player in top 10 teams is better than device
2019-01-31 17:03
#96
France Uexo 
device is in top 10 teams so device > device
2019-01-31 17:07
#135
shox | 
India prat_pps 
dude you're so woke man
2019-02-01 10:49
#100
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United States Jamila 
baits this bad should be outlawed
2019-01-31 17:27
+1
2019-01-31 18:03
Thats astonishingly untrue How have you got this far dude wtf
2019-01-31 18:03
Name one Czech player
2019-01-31 18:07
oskar...
2019-01-31 18:14
name 1 astralis fan with brain
2019-01-31 23:13
#140
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Gla1ve?
2019-02-01 11:33
#141
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
ah shit you said fan not player 0/8
2019-02-01 11:33
#9
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Germany Dayjay 
+1
2019-01-31 10:01
LANtares talking about overrated players
2019-01-31 10:31
#68
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
everyone cant be as good as forsaken on LAN btw his LAN stats are only 0.01 lower;) and xantares rank one entry fragger on LAN.cry is free cheatscener
2019-01-31 12:11
hahahaha🤣🤣 what are you trying to tell
2019-01-31 12:34
f0reskin**
2019-01-31 12:40
"rank 1 entryfragger" since when? 2019? lmao. plays one tier 4 tournament with 4 teams and placed 3rd, "rank 1 entry". delusional kebab
2019-01-31 16:13
Wtf
2019-01-31 16:31
#3
God | 
Poland henlo 
u misspelled ocean
2019-01-31 09:58
#6
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Turkey ao1 
+1
2019-01-31 10:00
+1
2019-01-31 10:56
#73
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Portugal FiZzYgAy 
+1
2019-01-31 12:21
#95
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United States tremm 
+1
2019-01-31 17:03
#4
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Germany Stuttgart 
nt NAF
2019-01-31 09:58
#13
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
fu-
2019-01-31 10:02
A canadian calling NAF "literally the best NA CS:GO player of all time" Sorry but i have to say: flair and flag checks out. Maybe you should let naf be a superstar for more than a year for him to be GOAT? Please.
2019-01-31 09:58
whos ahead of him though? no NA team in cs go has done anything close to what liquid are doing and hes their best player, also the highest an NA player has been rated in top players,
2019-01-31 10:00
By this logic s1mple is already GOAT of cs.
2019-01-31 10:02
#17
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
who is better than NAF in csgo as a player in history? Hiko? Ska? theres nobody that has been close to his individual success
2019-01-31 10:04
The fact you even mention Ska as a candidate for best NA player in history.... :D I cba. Canadian gonna be biased about canadian players, i get it. Take care bro.
2019-01-31 10:05
#21
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
Then who is a candidate
2019-01-31 10:06
think hes been watching a different version of cs go than us? lul
2019-01-31 10:08
Nah just you and this canadian hasnt watched enough csgo or ur watcing too many utube highlights. Probably watch utube conspiracy theories as well. Bye now
2019-01-31 10:09
stop saying bye u retard
2019-01-31 10:10
#30
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
yeah
2019-01-31 10:09
#51
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Poland Este 
I love how you keep replying on how wrong he is without saying who is the best NA player in your opinion. You made my day on how you are trying to bait him.
2019-01-31 10:41
ive already said its naf, pretty obvious? im confused??
2019-02-01 08:09
Think he ment to reply to me? Only thing that seems to make sense. Anyway, sorry for being a cunt yesterday. I wrote this reply to another guy who pointed out how little any other NA player has achieved/performed over a longer period of time: Thats actually true, i have probably been to harsh/short-sighted, simply because NAF would never have been mentioned a year ago and now everyone is so hyped about naf and twistzz (and rightfully so) so it just seems premature to talk about any of them being GOAT atm. But ur right, no one else has been consistently good. Except for 2014 where he played 10 maps, he has been consistently getting better at LAN every year (from 0.93 in 2015 to 1.11 in 2018 and, 1.13 last 3 months, 1.22 atm in 2019) so he seems on track for it. Twistzz might challenge it though.
2019-02-01 09:57
it's fine, i write dumb shit that i regret later sometimes too. forums are a place for discussion.
2019-02-01 10:58
Ye but still no reason to aggrevate or escalate the discussion for no apparent reason, other than feeling right about ur own opinion and everyone else is an idiot. But as i said, sometimes i act out online so can behave properly irl :) A perfect person would always act properly, but once in a while i have to be an idiot online so i can reflect on it and try not to repeat it (at least irl!) Anyway, Naf is most likely the most skilled player NA has ever seen (maybe except for swag, but he never forfilled the potential, so no saying where he could have been today). He seems like a nice person as well, so i hope he will be widely considered the GOAT of NA some day.
2019-02-01 11:32
australian beeing an asshole, i get it. take care bro👋🏻
2019-01-31 12:35
hes some nerd sitting in his dark bedroom all day and doesnt get sunlight, he aint australian imo lol
2019-02-01 08:10
men i know.. i like aussies but i wanted to shit talk the guy😜
2019-02-01 09:14
I usually visit hltv from my office, but your definitely right, im not australian :D I normally never comment on hltv unless im annoyed/stressed or what ever. Having these ridiculous discussions and venting some frustrations (in small amounts) takes the edge off you know? :D
2019-02-01 10:03
#103
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United States Jamila 
Skadoodle is still the best dust2 player ever in CSGO and spent a whole 2 years unchallenged as the best NA player even if he was shit in 2016 and 2017
2019-01-31 17:30
Hiko made to the final of the major
2019-01-31 10:08
#32
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
and has never won anything significant, no mvps, and yeah he made 1 major final, while being hardcarried by s1mple, Elige, and nitr0
2019-01-31 10:10
Naf has never won anything significant either
2019-01-31 10:11
#35
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
eleague season 2? and 4 smaller events but IBP masters should be noted
2019-01-31 10:12
Naf hasn’t won much. If we are talking about who has the beat results than Ska, Stew, Tim, Tarik, and Rush are way more successful. They have all won tier 1 events and a Major. Stewie has also won like 4 tier two lans
2019-01-31 16:20
#121
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
Sure they won more, but none of them (except for tim) are even close to NAF's individual strength and abilities.
2019-02-01 06:42
#36
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
hiko hasnt even won a international lan in csgo according to hltv
2019-01-31 10:12
Twistzz
2019-01-31 10:53
literally everyone already knows s1mple is the goat... even thorin and rl said it.
2019-01-31 10:05
hahahaha. "Everyone knows"...... and then you mention thorin and RL as authorities.... Except for the ukranian fanboys and newfags such as urself, the MAJORITY of hltv agrees that s1mple is no way near being GOAT yet. Anyone with a clue that is. Make a thread/poll (like the 100 ppl before you) and see what % of hltv thinks s1mple is GOAT at this time :) Im done, wasting too much of my time arguing with ignorant clueless ppl. Bye now.
2019-01-31 10:06
#24
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
I think s1mple is on his way, but olof and coldzera are definitely the two people fighting for goat rn
2019-01-31 10:08
f0rest xd
2019-01-31 10:09
#136
shox | 
India prat_pps 
he's getting there
2019-02-01 10:51
Indeed yes. I just dont think he is there yet. But either he of twistzz will be the GOAT of NA i think.
2019-02-01 11:28
#15
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
+1
2019-01-31 10:03
#12
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
He was ranked #6 last year and could have made a case for top 5, better than any other NA player, has won 5 international events, 4 mvps (he deserved eleague s2 honestly) and has always been an insane star with the potential to use any weapon at a high level. definetly a contender
2019-01-31 10:02
Device was ranked #2. He won 10 international titles. 7 MVPs, a major and a grand slam. If we can agree that device is the best player in the world, of all time, then sure we can agree NAF is best of NA. Other wise, please stop trying.
2019-01-31 10:03
#20
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
device would be the best imo if s1mple wasn't literally a god but NAF has insane skill and is definetly in the conversation for best NA player in CSGO history
2019-01-31 10:06
but....but.... you started out only mentioning achievements and team placing as arguments for NAF being GOAT. When i show you that device has way more achievements than s1mple you just say "but he is a god" ROFL. Im done. My time is honestly too valuable to keep trying to lecture stupid people about logic and reasoning. Cya.
2019-01-31 10:08
#34
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
ok fine, lets talk stats, what NA player has had a 1.18 big event rating with several finals against a dominant team like astralis and consistently showed up to almost every game?
2019-01-31 10:11
#38
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
hiko had a 1.18 LAN rating in 2013, with no victories or mvps and 55 maps compared to NAFs 2018 with 1.17 (sorry mistyped) over 155 maps and 2 international victories and 2 mvps
2019-01-31 10:17
#66
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Denmark AdvisorEd 
You know.. The whole mic-drop-im-outta-here-storming-off routine you keep repeating, kinda loses its edge, when you keep coming back. :D
2019-01-31 12:04
He was also talking about NA players and you made the comparison to device lol
2019-01-31 12:29
hahahah cya in 2 hours lmao
2019-01-31 12:37
s1mple was the best last year but Device is the best of all time there is a big difference in levels, Device already top 5 manys times in a row, most MVPs won (all time), most EVPs won (all time), 2 majors, 1 grand slam, probably the most consistent player of all time, top 20 for entire career etc. s1mple forsure was better than Device in 2018, Device is the GOAT of CS Go though big difference my guy.
2019-01-31 16:34
I absolutely agree with you. I do think device is the GOAT of csgo, but very few agree with that. And tbh it probably wasnt a very good analogy, but my point was that by his logic he would have to agree that device is the best of all time (as well as NAF being the GOAT of NA) - which ofc he didnt agree with, but instead made the wholesome argument;"but simple is god!" Glad there are some logical people here :)
2019-01-31 17:19
#101
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United States Jamila 
NAF has a solid case for this imo
2019-01-31 17:27
He has a solid case of becoming the GOAT of NA CSGO, definitely. He might also be the best player NA has ever had when it comes to peak performance or performance throughout a whole year - i personally dont know/havnt checked. But that does not make him the best throughout time (GOAT) Just like s1mple is probably the most skilled player in history, but still not GOAT (that would be device atm)
2019-01-31 17:32
#105
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United States Jamila 
It's not like NA has a storied history of top players. swag got banned, shroud failed to live up to expectations, Skadoodle was Skadoodle All the top NA players ever have come in the last 3 and a half years
2019-01-31 17:34
Thats actually true, i have probably been to harsh/short-sighted, simply because NAF would never have been mentioned a year ago and now everyone is so hyped about naf and twistzz (and rightfully so) so it just seems premature to talk about any of them being GOAT atm. But ur right, no one else has been consistently good. Except for 2014 where he played 10 maps, he has been consistently getting better at LAN every year (from 0.93 in 2015 to 1.11 in 2018 and, 1.13 last 3 months, 1.22 atm in 2019) so he seems on track for it. Twistzz might challenge it though.
2019-01-31 17:46
Sick player
2019-01-31 10:01
Might be NA best player but NA is irrelevant anyway
2019-01-31 10:02
#14
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Israel TimeDani 
God and he is really nice eh?
2019-01-31 10:03
#37
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Russia og_loc 
I think that he is really good and deserves to play in TL. I remember him playing in renegades with bot ustilo and this was so unfair, but now he is in the right place and I'm happy for him
2019-01-31 10:18
#39
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
I was a big RNG fan when he was in the team and watching him hypercarry them to a big victory (for their team) was nice to see, happy he got into liquid after having to singlehandedly, sometimes with jks and nifty, carry a tier 3 team to tier 2 victories
2019-01-31 10:19
#41
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Russia og_loc 
+1 I'm glad he got his deserved #6 2018
2019-01-31 10:21
he is definately one of the best if not the best current NA player but he is nowhere close to being the goat. BTW since most talent is in eu, Being top 1 in NA is kinda irrelevant
2019-01-31 10:20
#42
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
i meant goat of NA, But he is definitely on the level of most EU players (except for NiKo device and s1mple)
2019-01-31 10:22
dupreeh>naf electronic>naf flusha>naf coldzera(not right now but in his prime>naf I agree he is really good player and perhaps top 1 NA but there a quite a few players better than him imo.
2019-01-31 12:39
#122
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
i wouldnt say flusha > NAF but i think he is = to dupreeh and electronic or a little bit below, I wouldn't say hes outright better but he is on the same level as them
2019-02-01 06:43
Definitely, they aren't better than each other by large margins, the values that separate these top level players are so subtle that they are also highly arguable. This is my opinion ofc.
2019-02-01 10:44
eh?
2019-01-31 10:26
#45
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
eh!
2019-01-31 10:29
#44
Slovakia uno1 
He is great player for sure.
2019-01-31 10:27
#46
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Europe FaZeTop1_2019 
AUTIMATIC >
2019-01-31 10:31
+1
2019-01-31 12:29
his playstyle is very attractive and this makes him one of my favorite players but on the other hand the effectiveness or impact of his activities is not much higher than those of any other good player (lets say top 50)
2019-01-31 10:33
i guess na doesnt have much competition if 1 successful year makes you best of all time
2019-01-31 10:31
#53
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
hes been a top player for 2 - 3 years now he just wasnt having success with his teams to a high degree, imo he deserved a low ranking in 2016.
2019-01-31 10:42
How can someone be one of the best in a region when hasn't been in top 20 before, he has competed against opponents that are in t4 leagues if we compare to elige who has been in top 20 two years on row and has played in liquid since 2015? With such thinking xantares would be goat
2019-01-31 11:04
"he is literally the best NA CS:GO player of all time" HAHAHHAHAHHA
2019-01-31 10:41
#54
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
whos better in terms of NA all time csgo
2019-01-31 10:43
the problem is na is full of shit. they never won anything good except the major. naf is the best na of all time just because he had 1 good year with lulquit. thats dissapoiting. naf didnt won a tier1 mvp, event or anything else. just his #6 player of 2018. that shows that na was not good until liquid in 2018
2019-01-31 10:56
Hi naf
2019-01-31 10:45
#56
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
hi
2019-01-31 10:49
#60
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United States jay_320 
You are like a classic case of a stats man. If one good year with two other extremely high skill players is enough for you to label the man the best NA player of all time I don't really know where to start the conversation. NAF was almost always last in on Liquid as well. Played no entry at all. That was passed onto Elige, Taco and Nitro. I still think Elige is NA's best player and I still think Twistzz has the most potential. I also still think that Autimatic and Stewie2k will put up numbers in CSGO. I mean Autimatic has a 1.11 big event rating for his entire career compared to 1.07 for NAF. Twistzz has a 1.12 for his entire career. Stewie's not that far below NAF at 1.04. Kid is still bursting with potential and drive as well. The NA scene is still pretty young when you compare it to the European scene. These guys have only really been around since 2016.
2019-01-31 10:57
automatic and stewie are only good with cheats, twistzz and elige are decent players, but liquid wont win much with both elige and nitro on the team
2019-01-31 11:23
Overrated baiter
2019-01-31 11:00
#65
twice | 
Korea Tzuyu 
autimatic is the best na player and should join faze
2019-01-31 11:42
#67
Davidp | 
Sweden meistr0 
"he is literally the best NA CS:GO player of all time (argueably) but nobody talks about him" Because he isnt? Thats why.
2019-01-31 12:08
#69
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Brazil Collee 
I don't think he's overrated or underrated. If someone is underrated from that lineup it's EliGE. Most of his roles are extremely hard to play
2019-01-31 12:13
#70
ZywOo | 
France ZywHere 
he isnt under rated, he is under drugs
2019-01-31 12:14
he is insane but not the best for sure
2019-01-31 12:16
#72
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United States Trump2020KAG 
He is very good but Elige is the best. Naf is a perfect fit in liquid and with the addition of stew liquid will be the first ever #1 ranked team from NA Not counting Lg/sk
2019-01-31 12:16
imo autimatic is the best NA player
2019-01-31 12:23
#77
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France mdK_ 
underrated, everybody talks about stewie, twistzz but he's insane
2019-01-31 12:33
"he is literally the best NA CS:GO player of all time" That's Eliige.
2019-01-31 12:40
Same opinion as you skill wise he's the best NA player who's ever touched CS Go, Elige is not even close to him.
2019-01-31 16:29
for me he is the best player in cs right now. tho im extremely biased and have been waiting for him to explode since 2014i
2019-01-31 16:58
#97
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Myanmar xdcc 
Why do you want him to explode?
2019-01-31 17:09
because when he was first breaking out i saw an amazing talent in him. and wanted him to break through. tho he ididnt really cared aboutcs that much. so he was up and down. also he was sorta introverted and it didnt help him on getting onto teams. im glad he finally exploded. and hopefully he will do better this year.
2019-01-31 17:14
#102
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Brazil Fallenzera 
He is very good, but myself think Twistzz has more potential !
2019-01-31 17:28
#125
NAF | 
Canada Chizten 
I think TwistzZ is definitely more skilled as well, but its like coldzera to NiKo, cold is the better player because of his overall gamesense along with talent, while NiKo brute forces with talent. (2017 ofc)
2019-02-01 06:45
NAF Is good. Like Naf Me do.
2019-01-31 18:22
#123
flusha | 
United States Venom_ 
Naf himself said he plays baiter role so he's boring baiter like coldzera 0/8
2019-02-01 06:44
Not as good as Dickstacy -ThiccDickStacy
2019-02-01 06:45
autimatic the best na player
2019-02-01 07:04
Literally #6 player according to hltv but not even best player on his team and not even Top 2 in NA
2019-02-01 08:20
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