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Liquid > NaVi?
Armenia MeSSeR_01 
2019-02-02 10:23
Skadoodle | 
United States Kdg90 
obviously i meant here head to head says it all.
2019-02-02 10:26
Switzerland meme_jesus 
Yes 4>2
2019-02-02 10:26
Ukraine niXoN|w1 
2019-02-02 16:24
Brunei siapa_kau 
haha fucken gottem
2019-02-04 11:11
s1 | 
Ukraine mpletop1 
Liquid played and won an event in 2019, while Na'Vi hasn't. Maybe they'll gain a couple of points from that London event, idk
2019-02-02 10:27
I mean NaVi won 2 big events in 2018 that were of way higher prestige and with much better competition.
2019-02-02 11:32
Russia fl3x3r 
Navi won 4 big events in 2018
2019-02-04 07:18
Asia and Starladder aren't big events
2019-02-04 08:21
Russia fl3x3r 
Starladder (300k$) not big event. 0/8
2019-02-04 09:13
United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
You could argue that Asia wasn’t a big event, but starladder definitely was.
2019-02-04 09:21
they won because they're not matched against liquid
2019-02-04 11:11
Russia fl3x3r 
Nope, liqu♿️D tier 5
2019-02-04 11:56
thats true excatly that happen
2019-02-02 16:24
navi will win major
2019-02-02 10:29
Ofc, like they hadn't had there chance like 3 times
2019-02-02 10:50
Korea XigNw0w 
There chance
2019-02-02 11:20
sorry their
2019-02-02 15:15
Russia raintnt 
2019-02-02 20:57
Korea XigNw0w 
You mean there?
2019-02-03 11:30
No i typed There but I meant their
2019-02-03 19:07
Thorin | 
Sweden ezwuo 
Yes but they still have the best player in the world and this time he won't face Astralis in the final, the only team he doesn't play up to his standards against. I don't see s1mple playing bad in a major final for a 3rd time, the last time it was him being bad in major finals COMBINED with the fact that he faced Astralis in the final (a team notorious for neutralizing s1mple's playstyle) which made it a disaster for him. EZ MAJOR
2019-02-02 12:53
that just shows once again simple shouldnt be 1st if a team can disable him in that fashion
2019-02-02 15:16
Thorin | 
Sweden ezwuo 
But it's the best team in the world and maybe all-time
2019-02-02 15:25
but are u first if u loose against the first? NO.
2019-02-02 16:05
Thorin | 
Sweden ezwuo 
s1mple plays better against other opponents than any Astralis player individually, he just has worse teammates which means Astralis will always be collectively better.
2019-02-02 16:14
s1mple vs Astralis 1.19 at big events s1mple vs Liquid 1.14 they avoid him + deadward just freekill for any team and b site always open
2019-02-02 15:32
African Union atts 
You realise S1mple has a better rating vs Astralis than Dev1ce has vs NaVi, right? very structured teams like Astralis and Liquid are able to study his demos and counterstrat, and in the server they can quickly establish his position, avoid him, and exploit his worse teammates. If you watch the demos of those Astralis vs NaVi matches, this is very plain to see, they avoid him hard. S1mple gets this level special treatment precisely because he is the best player in the world and those teams know the impact he can have. Ideally if he had better teammates, this would be a net positive as it makes your opponents more predictable if they avoid S1mple, and it does make them more predictable, but then his teammates just get rest anyway and he's left running across the map to a locked out site. Whenever Astralis fight S1mple tho, or even are not avoiding him well enough and he reads them, he shits on them all match long like in Blast Copenhagen.
2019-02-02 16:55
Astralis and Liquid do not neutralize s1mple. They avoid him s1mple vs Astralis 1.19 on big events in 2018 s1mple vs Liquid 1.14 on big events in 6/6 maps which they lost to Liquid in 2018 Navi lose this games bcs they avoid s1mple as hard as possible Just watch inferno vs Liquid, Liquid always execute other site if they have info about s1mple
2019-02-02 15:27
African Union atts 
+1 I looked into this a while ago and the demos were very eye-opening. S1mple gets avoided while his teammates get exploited, leaving S1mple having to retake an impossible situation, or save. Also people talk like S1mple was the only poor performer on NaVi in the Faceit major, even tho the whole team got dumpstered, I think only Elec went positive. Its not a S1mple choke when NaVi get rekt like that.
2019-02-02 16:15
Thorin | 
Sweden ezwuo 
2019-02-02 12:45
s1 | 
Ukraine mpletop1 
No they won't garbage t2 team can't even beat liquid
2019-02-02 16:28
Sweden Lagge15 
Lol. Thanks for a good laugh
2019-02-02 16:32
With Stewie2K = yes With TACO = no
2019-02-02 10:29
Skadoodle | 
United States Kdg90 
they were still better with taco
2019-02-02 10:37
2019-02-02 11:13
i love them both. they do different things taco just made the team better ever since he joined. hope stewie can keep it that way
2019-02-02 11:15
honestly i see them falling again .
2019-02-02 15:17
United States sxg 
just beat astralis for the first time with stewie in the first series with stewie, lost 40 times with taco > sees them falling. GG
2019-02-04 06:47
+1. Anyone that says other wise doesnt realize stews potential to this line-up. I have an inkling that they will contend for T1 with Astralis.
2019-02-04 08:07
United States Koosh34 
They literally dominated navi every time they played them with taco.
2019-02-02 17:01
With TACO = never beat Astralis With Stewie2K = IbuyPower Master
2019-02-03 00:50
United States ferric 
Yes but the thread is talking about navi vs liquid specifically
2019-02-03 01:06
I think you should go back to check #5 again.
2019-02-04 06:37
Ukraine Pham_ 
In 2018 - yes In 2019 - we don't know yet, it should pass at least 3 tier1 tournaments
2019-02-02 10:37
In 2018 navi > liquid
2019-02-02 10:48
2019-02-02 11:03
nah liquid were 10x more consistent, granted they didnt win as much, but s1mple and electronic carried navi
2019-02-02 15:18
you tell me twistzz didn't carry liquid?
2019-02-02 16:18
NAF was carrying them half of the year
2019-02-02 16:36
they all pulled their weight. NAF and twistzz did the best of all of them but they all did their job. Taco did his, Elige did his, nitro wasn't great but still not bad
2019-02-02 18:33
Slovenia kivoJ 
Even BIG is better than s1mple and electronic. 2 people can't compete against actual teams.
2019-02-02 10:42
shox | 
India iejesus 
2019-02-02 10:46
That's why bavi top2/3 and big top 1000. Nice logic bro
2019-02-02 10:49
But Zeus is the only one who a major in the team
2019-02-02 10:51
Denmark no1cares 
Meanwhile BIG lost map vs Spirit
2019-02-02 15:34
Poland wiktorex 
Yes navi cant win vs them smh
2019-02-02 10:45
shox | 
India iejesus 
Yess But S1MPLE and electronic > all 5 liq players
2019-02-02 10:45
what does this even mean
2019-02-02 10:48
shox | 
India iejesus 
individually 2 players are just better. team wise Liq > navi
2019-02-02 11:00
i mean s1mple is the best player in the world thats a given he's better than liquid players. the difference between electronic/naf/elige/twistzz is pretty trivial. he isn't a far and away better player at all just because he had a better year in 2018
2019-02-02 11:03
GODMPLE >>>>> NAF - Twistzz >>>>>>> botronic
2019-02-02 12:38
Russia zbogus 
don't worry after london, we back to top 2
2019-02-02 10:50
I mean NaVi has to win the London event, but as it is a small 4 team and small price pool event i don’t think it will give enough points to pass Liquid in the hltv ranking
2019-02-02 15:23
Technicly yes,Na'Vi have not played a single match in 2019
2019-02-02 11:03
Na'Vi has Zeus so of course Liquid is better.
2019-02-02 11:09
Israel tplaysmhg 
2019-02-02 11:21
Sweden Lagge15 
2019-02-02 16:34
Russia extrasoul 
2019-02-02 12:36
2019-02-02 12:36
2019-02-02 12:37
2019-02-02 12:39
"I’ll prepare for this game like never before.”
2019-02-02 12:40
"I will train hard to destroy this team.”
2019-02-02 12:40
xD Sooo true
2019-02-04 08:24
navi had a better 2018 than liquid but liquid always beats navi head on and i think theyre better at the moment
2019-02-02 12:40
liquid have better results in terms of top2 finishes but navi won titles
2019-02-02 15:34
Yes, NaVi relies on 2 star players and a very inconsistant flamie while Liquid have NAF Twistzz and EliGE who are all world class, nitr0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeus in terms of in game skill and Stewie is kinda unknown right now but everyone knows he >>>>>>>>>>> Botward
2019-02-02 15:29
2019-02-02 15:33
Portugal csmwargod 
nop navi > liquid
2019-02-02 16:16
shox | 
Romania NuKe_001 
NaVi have only 2 good players and Liquid have 4 even nitr0 can frag very well when hes feeling it so yea
2019-02-02 16:23
Dima | 
Russia L0sk^^ 
2019-02-02 16:26
Spirit fan talking LMAO
2019-02-02 16:38
Dima | 
Russia L0sk^^ 
its say me sweden fan ahahahahahaha
2019-02-02 19:29
Sweden Fan? I'm from Sweden and have lived here my entire life..
2019-02-02 20:26
Sweden Lagge15 
To say Liquid>Na'Vi is a bit about beting a dead hors and kicking in open doors. Lets also say: You need air to breath! Internet is "preferred" to play matchmaking. Sun is hot. Earth is third planet from the sun.
2019-02-02 16:31
United States ferric 
2019-02-02 20:57
Well considering Navi lost 2-0 in all 3 bo3s they played in 2018, I would say liquid>Navi
2019-02-02 16:35
liquid with taco and zews was better than na'vi, but were unable to beat astralis. Na'vi always lost to lulquid (ye sometimes they were in a slump when they faced liquid), but managed to beat asstralis. Still nowadays liquid with snake2k can only manage to win t2 event. Sorry but now Na'vi >> Liquid, liquid > navi is now in past
2019-02-02 17:00
Bewgz | 
Australia g00sey 
I am a fan of navi but that is some serious mental gymnastics bro
2019-02-04 07:29
United States ferric 
Liquid > Astralis so why are we even thinking about comparing them to NaVi?
2019-02-02 20:56
Denmark Experative 
ofc Liquid much better than navi
2019-02-02 20:59
2019-02-02 21:01
United States d123aniel2005 
lol doiii
2019-02-02 21:06
Ax1Le | 
Russia A1eks 
2019-02-04 06:37
Sweden ThorinEk 
Right now yes
2019-02-04 06:40
Ukraine dashbug 
Na'Vi is stronger than Liquid, but if NaVi plays against Liquid, they'll lose xD
2019-02-04 06:43
CIS Geograt 
No /closed
2019-02-04 06:43
Asia Degeni 
In my opinion I'd say Na'Vi is on their way out of the top5 in the next few months, so yeah liquid is better
2019-02-04 06:44
2018: Liquid > NAVI
2019-02-04 06:59
They same i wud say coz botward is a drag only good players are Elec n simple and flamie is overated. Liquid has better team compared to navi coz stew brings good aggro and experience to team. And they look balanced but Navi seems to win wid electronic n simple clutches So both r same wud say
2019-02-04 07:10
Israel wetz 
2019-02-04 07:16
2019-02-04 07:30
Canada Surzz 
liquid has a better lineup. navi relies too much on s1mple carrying. if he doesnt show up, then they dont do too well.
2019-02-04 07:31
Even when he shows up and so does electronic, to beat a team like liquid or Astralis a third person has to step up and they rarely do
2019-02-04 07:36
Canada Surzz 
yeah. because there is lack of structure. people say zeus is a great tactician but i have yet to see it. they've been inconsistent all throughout 2018. and the reason you stated, a third player doesn't step up too often.
2019-02-06 02:48
liquid shat on na'vi so many times in the past
2019-02-04 08:15
2019-02-04 08:25
Belarus @Bitly 
Na'vi > liquid
2019-02-04 09:21
Astralis >>NAvi+Liquid . Figure that out
2019-02-04 09:23
Yes, Liquid>NaVi
2019-02-04 11:08
2019-02-04 12:57
United States Trump2020KAG 
Very true
2019-02-04 12:58
Denmark blue_sheep 
Liquid for sure better than NaVi. No question.
2019-02-04 13:08
2019-02-06 02:50
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