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Talent>Hard work
Portugal Atruemaster 
Yeah nothing gets done without working and every scrub is told these days that if he works hard he'll beat the talented people But how many idiots out there with 10k hours that can't even make it to fpl-c? Meanwhile zywoo and sergej with 4k each, can barely grow a beard and they're pros Why? Because they're talented. That's all.
2019-02-05 18:54
work -- 70% talent -- 30%
2019-02-05 18:55
talent but no hard work -- 75% work hard but no talent -- 75% both -- 100% none -- lmao
2019-02-05 21:55
Poland Darasso2000 
2019-02-05 21:57
just get a job
2019-02-05 18:55
Csgo is all about luck, nt
2019-02-05 18:56
if you think they got 4k hours overall in counter-strike then you're clearly idiot, expected from poortugal btw
2019-02-05 18:56
idk about zywoo but sergej has 4.2k
2019-02-05 19:35
2019-02-05 19:51
oh he has played little bit :DD
2019-02-05 20:06
Multiple accounts?
2019-02-05 21:42
I dont think so
2019-02-06 06:59
if you for real think they got one account since the beginning of their adventure with cs you should kys
2019-02-05 22:20
Well, i guess you are just mad le with 5k hours
2019-02-06 06:59
im level 8 facet with 3k hours im next sergej😎😎
2019-02-06 10:33
Denmark Lassy 
im level 1 234 elo with 8,7k hours, im next zues
2019-02-06 10:36
-zeus +lassy new igl))))))😎
2019-02-06 10:36
Denmark Lassy 
2019-02-06 10:37
well, i guess you know shit about cs then lol
2019-02-06 11:40
Stop hurt my feelings :(
2019-02-06 09:23
Other delmaszm 
if you work and are not talented, you'll be aight if you work and are talented, you'll be great if you don't work and are talented, you'll be bad
2019-02-05 18:57
fnx | 
Sweden Blueface 
If you don't work and you aren't talented, you'll be cleanin' toilets
2019-02-05 18:58
coldzera | 
Brazil kaaim 
expected from fnx fan
2019-02-05 21:53
niko disagrees with 3rd 😎
2019-02-05 19:03
What do you mean? He has been playing this game for more than a decade already.
2019-02-05 19:06
started playing 10 years ago != been playing 120 hours per two weeks all that time alright? all he does now is partying and drinking and still frags noobs btw he made his name at even younger age than zywoo
2019-02-05 19:08
well there is no way of knowing how many hours has he logged in counter strikes but I really doubt it would be a low number most pros have probably put in 15k+ lifetime
2019-02-05 19:10
Other delmaszm 
yeah cuz your his mate and you know about it right you can drink, party and work. i mean isn't that what everybody in the world does?
2019-02-05 19:17
No. I can only say what I'm told as I'm not there to confirm it, but for example, Cristiano Ronaldo does not drink. At all, according to him. Zero alcohol.
2019-02-05 19:21
He is an athlete. NiKo is a tactician and gamer
2019-02-05 21:44
He said everybody, I gave him an example.
2019-02-05 21:47
Everybody=every non athlete
2019-02-05 21:50
Google muslims bro
2019-02-05 22:01
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
I see drunk Muslims all over the town at any given time a day XD
2019-02-06 09:23
2019-02-06 15:56
It's more like this: no talent + hard work -> you can succeed talent + no hard work -> you can succeed no talent + no hard work -> you can't succeed
2019-02-05 19:29
World neomax360 
talent + hard work -> you WILL succed
2019-02-05 20:11
Russia Dead_Rave 
+1 Michael Jordan wasn't even the best player on his family when he was starting
2019-02-06 08:50
ZywOo | 
United States ZYWOOTOP1 
Exactly. You're either born with or you're not. You can still be good without talent and lots of hard work but you will never be top1
2019-02-05 18:57
coldzera says hello
2019-02-05 19:03
Finland dev2ce 
yes he says hello from the bottom of the scoreboard
2019-02-05 20:47
Slovakia t4gg3d 
He just got OOFED.
2019-02-05 22:45
2019-02-06 10:34
Slovakia t4gg3d 
Ye men henlo u cool 😎😎😎
2019-02-06 13:43
im coo bruh what about u😎
2019-02-06 14:51
Slovakia t4gg3d 
im super cool men 😎😎😎
2019-02-06 15:03
cool friend😎😎
2019-02-06 15:04
Slovakia t4gg3d 
ye men veri naic )) 😎😎
2019-02-06 15:40
device good example of hard work but not #1
2019-02-05 19:09
Talent is not black and white. Its not like either you are talented or you're not. The definition of talent is that you're born with abilities that are related to what you are working on. Good reflexes and awareness for instance.
2019-02-05 19:52
Russia Dead_Rave 
I mean pretty much everyone has the same eyes same hands but if you are short in basketball you are out
2019-02-06 08:48
Its not that simple.
2019-02-06 15:02
2019-02-05 21:45
Talented player + hard work
2019-02-05 23:22
He is not talented anymore. Just working his ass off
2019-02-06 09:12
intelligence > hard work > talent
2019-02-05 19:01
Intelligence is talent you fool
2019-02-05 19:07
i d i o t
2019-02-05 19:15
Hes right tho...
2019-02-05 19:19
there is like 120841208120812 ways how to develop ur mind lmao
2019-02-05 19:22
Still talent
2019-02-05 19:30
talent doesen't even exist :D only 10iq ppl thinks talent is a thing because they have too small brains to understand neuroscience
2019-02-05 19:33
You are dumb
2019-02-05 21:01
technically thats correct i think if you consider intelligence to be something more than just mind, and that mind is just an aspect of that intelligence Like its natures intelligence for the person to be born with a certain type of body that can facilitate certain capacities/abilities, so thats the talent part, nature, nurture is the work part i guess xd
2019-02-05 20:34
Mongolia FoxOutOfGlocks 
most people have more than one account though so wouldn't count on those hours xd...
2019-02-05 19:03
pretty sure he also played 1.6/css as a kid
2019-02-05 19:06
I like to think that hard work is about maximizing your talent. It can be used to surpass more talented people, but only to a certain extent. If someone is too far ahead of you in talent, then you'll never pass them no matter how hard you work.
2019-02-05 19:04
woxic | 
Brazil skazzi 
Talent is actually the ability of a person's brain to develop certain abilities more easily than the rest. With that applying hard work comes an exceptional result.
2019-02-05 19:12
Thats the definition of intelligence
2019-02-05 19:20
Denmark Lassy 
Talent is based of the genes you have. If you are born with a slow reaction time, it is near impossible to improve it, but reflexes can be improved since that is the talent i the genes that allows you to do it better than others.
2019-02-06 10:42
Europe HyperCreep 
stupid word talent they just better and faster learn how to play cs
2019-02-05 19:17
Europe LawUysal 
Cs 20% talent 30% training 50% luck
2019-02-05 19:17
theres no such thing as "talent", it's only hard work and inteligence, if you're dumb and lazy you'll be bad at something, "talent" is what dumb people use as an excuse for their failures
2019-02-05 19:20
So you're saying no one is born gifted.
2019-02-05 19:31
Depends on what you mean by gifted. You can be born with an amazing voice, but that's not "talent", you just have a voice that people enjoy listening to.
2019-02-05 19:34
0/8 Weak
2019-02-05 19:40
Name checks out
2019-02-05 19:34
2019-02-05 21:03
Brazil hugoooo 
2019-02-05 21:05
From my experience: No work + talent < Hard work + no talent but as soon as: Medium work + talent > Hard work + no talent
2019-02-05 19:21
Talent without work < Work without Talent Talent with Work > Work without Talent
2019-02-05 19:23
Other khorkalba 
Side point worth mentioning - when Fnatic won Katowice last year they didn't train for the event at all as a team. It confirmed something I suspected about Fnatic for a long time... that they started losing because they lost confidence in their individual talent and felt they had to compensate by bootcamping and overthinking the tactical side of the game.
2019-02-05 19:24
That's actually one of those things that sounds ridiculous on paper but is true more often that you'd think.
2019-02-05 19:28
True Messi = talented Ronaldo = product of training Messi > Ronaldo s1mple = talented coldzera = product of training s1mple > coldzera
2019-02-05 19:39
If you think Ronaldo has no talent then you clearly never saw him play when he was 17 at Sporting. He's just smart and changed his gamestyle to have a longer carreer, Messi is already busted and wont ever be the same, meanwhile Ronaldo is still scoring his goals here and there while maintaining a good physique for his post-football career
2019-02-05 19:49
Can't agree with changing his play style to have a longer career... He changed it to be more effective. The good physique part, yeah, CR worked much more at that than Messi but he also has naturally a much better physique. You cant train to grow 16cms and Messi was a sick kid that needed very expensive treatment to just be alive today.
2019-02-05 20:18
By longer career i mean having a longer "relevancy time", if CR7 was still playing as a winger his career wouldn't be as relevant as he is today.
2019-02-05 20:35
Why not? Robben and Ribery are 35. I dont think he did it for longevity reasons but hey
2019-02-05 20:37
And how many Balon d'Or did they win? How much of planetary superstars are they? Yup.
2019-02-05 20:39
They're wingers in one of the biggest clubs at 35. I think that's relevant enough. None of them were scoring the number of goals that CR was at 23, why would they develop into a striker like he did? And I wasnt even talking about his role in the team. He can still play as a winger. Messi can also play as a striker, that has nothing to do with playstyle but with their abilities (Robben and Ribery can't or at least shouldn't). The thing is, he used to run much more with the ball and go for dribbles, but now he just poaches. And he worked on his aerial game a lot to do this. This was just for the sake of scoring more goals.
2019-02-05 20:48
Messi busted , you wot mate? 27 apps 29 goals and 14 assists in all comps. That's how it works? If people like you voted in B'dor no wonder Messi was 5th , you are actually dumb af my man.
2019-02-05 21:08
Brazil MadWell 
i agree with everythig but; messi=Roanldo s1mple=Coldzera
2019-02-05 19:59
ronaldo not talented ok. you are so delusional. even a fucking 3rd league player has more talent than 99,999 of all people who play football.
2019-02-05 19:59
Brazil Naschpitz 
there is a misconception about that, you can become a proplayer with 4k-6k hours if its done in the same year, thats about 12h per day. The thing is csgo was released in 2012, so its not dificult to find ppl with 4-5k hours on lower level, what most of them doesnt understand is player that can pull 4k hours in one year will be much higher level than playing 4k spread in several years. If you can pull 12h/day doing MM and faceit or esea at the end of the period there there is a great chance you will be starting playing qualify for decents events and if you can manage endure this routine in two years you will be winning some of regionals qualify, 3-4th year for major events. Cs is 70% hard work, 25% social skill (you have to know how to deal with teammates) and 5% luck.
2019-02-05 19:53
Brazil MadWell 
no m8 its 40% luck, 50% hard work, 10% skill
2019-02-05 20:01
Brazil Naschpitz 
You dont need luck, just aim for the head and dont miss a shot, just pratice. There is little to no luck on cs thats why its an esport, just skill.
2019-02-05 22:25
true hard work can only help you to a point and then you hit a plateau. your learning curve is almost flat at this point. you need talent for raw skill and also to process information and make the best decision quickly in each situation. any average guy can hit lvl 10 with hard work. like 3-4k hours. but many of them will never get fplc, even if they play 10k hours.
2019-02-05 20:00
Have you ever heard the saying "Perfect practice makes perfect"? Just because someone has 10k hours, and another person is better than them at 4k hours, doesn't mean the 4k hour dude is more talented or has some natural ability. He probably just practiced in a more efficient way.
2019-02-05 20:09
Germany Roflcopter234 
+1 most people with lots of hours are just trolling 24/7
2019-02-05 20:42
Brazil bandicoot 
?? then the 4k guy is more talented and has a better natural ability to learn. isnt that excatly how we define talent? or am I being dumb here
2019-02-05 20:47
Myanmar xdcc 
You can have kids messing around in CSGO for a thousand hours. Does it mean they are untalented? If they put conscious effort, looked for advice and still did considerably worse than someone similar then I would say yes. I wouldn't say mentality and work ethic = talent. But even besides that there could be outside factors like playing while sleep deprived or something as it's CSGO.
2019-02-05 21:05
Or he probably just has more talent, actually. You think there's no difference between any human when it comes to aim, reactions, gamesense? Why doesn't everybody score the same at a reaction speed test? Less efficient practice?
2019-02-05 20:59
Myanmar xdcc 
The guy with 10k hours on CS is more likely to be playing all day with sleep deprivation, fatigue etc. Lifestyle matters too.
2019-02-05 21:10
So what? You think zywoo is healthy with that fat face?
2019-02-05 21:36
Myanmar xdcc 
Do you think he doesn't sleep? If anything he focused on school first so it's not like he's addicted to CS.
2019-02-05 21:39
I think boltzz doesnt for sure dude. Idk about zywoo but u really think theres not a lot of unhealthy pros?
2019-02-05 21:39
Myanmar xdcc 
I mean you can be unhealthy but I would say you'd have higher advantage being healthy. Astralis puts a high importance on that and look where they are now.
2019-02-05 21:40
I agree with that, every little thing counts, but thats not the point here.
2019-02-05 21:48
fox | 
Portugal GoDtK 
nevermind bro, it's Portugal here, most of them still think that hours means hardwork in counter-strike and true believe too, faceit level 10 = pros level xD Canada it's just, not only in counter-strike, but almost all, 10.000 years more advanced.
2019-02-05 21:09
ez 166ms reaction time retarded underdebeloped average plebs
2019-02-05 20:38
Russia Dead_Rave 
CS all about reaction times
2019-02-06 08:45
Croatia mds818 
not true.
2019-02-05 20:45
Mexico LEWORb 
Hard work is not measured in hrs, it's about the quality
2019-02-05 20:52
Myanmar xdcc 
Comparing time played is dumb considering 1 person can waste it and not use it effectively.
2019-02-05 20:53
fox | 
Portugal GoDtK 
Shame on this guys brainless using my country flag...
2019-02-05 21:06
Dude you're the embarrassment making excuses for me just because you disagree. You idiots delude yourselves thinking a 16yo kid who picked up the game a few years ago and is already a pro doesn't have more talent than others. "Efficient practice" more like efficient bullshit denying simple facts. Some people are taller, some are smarter, some are better at csgo. But it's dumb to point that out lmao because it doesn't match your fairytale dreams lmao.
2019-02-05 22:34
fox | 
Portugal GoDtK 
Don't misunderstand hard work with hours playing cs:go without brain.
2019-02-05 21:05
You have to be a complete retard to think they're mutually exclusive.
2019-02-05 21:05
United States darth_mac 
Genetics > BOTH
2019-02-05 21:08
Denmark fuzeCSGO 
this is fucking stupid. zywoo and sergej only have 4k hours because they used their time in the game efficiently. That goes double for zywoo; he's been active since just three years ago.
2019-02-05 21:54
Brazil hugoooo 
This number oh hours thing is retarded. - People could've used another account (or even accounts) in the past. - People still can have an alternate account nowadays. - Some people plays 100% serious and focused all the time, while others take it for fun, trolls, etc. So, you can make yours hours worth and some can't. 1000 hours is not only 1000 hours, two persons can use them in very, very different ways.
2019-02-05 22:38
Brazil bandicoot 
talent is a real thing whether you like it or not
2019-02-05 23:35
Russia Dead_Rave 
How many of those hours are afk or not practicing seriously i mean it takes talent to practice efficiently
2019-02-06 08:46
pronax | 
Russia ShadTH 
2019-02-06 09:07
Cyprus danceparty 
I wonder how much time pro players spent on hltv before making it. Let's just browse hypothetical or unrelated forum posts as opposed to grind out practice hrs.
2019-02-06 09:16
Yiu are all wrong If you have talent but dont put into much hours you'll still be good If you hard work but dont have talent, you cant get good as a guy with talent If you want to be pr, at least you need talent
2019-02-06 10:31
Hard work can beat talent only if the talented one doesn't work hard...
2019-02-06 10:41
it all depends in how you waste your hours
2019-02-06 13:46
are you stpd bro ? They have 4k hours because theyre kids . 6k hour difference happens when they are playing with toys. it will equalise when they reach other pros age.
2019-02-06 13:50
device its the pure example that u dont need to be talented to be a top player at this game :>) or flusha in prime,xyp9x,etc
2019-02-06 13:54
Depends on how those hours are used and when they are used. 4k hours over the span of 6 years is different from 4k hours last year. And 4k hours training and playing with high level people is different from 4k hours on mm or playing community servers.
2019-02-06 14:06
Germany AdiZen 
I got No talent and with 6k hours the best i achiebed was getting to supreme
2019-02-06 14:51
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