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Galil and Famas are pointless
f0rest | 
United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Why do they even exist at this point, why would you buy a Famas or Galil when you can get a UMP with armor and be more effective, either SMG's need nerfing, budget rifles need buffing or both.
2019-02-08 09:40
#1
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Brazil IdolaMochi 
Coldzera can use Galil and Famas
2019-02-08 09:41
Hardly.
2019-02-08 09:42
#28
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Brazil kaiknux 
It's a bait, every morning this guy replies 'coldzera' to every single topic, specially off topic posts which it would be even less worthy
2019-02-08 10:10
#72
cadiaN | 
Singapore Kerk 
Smg do not have the same range and accuracy as the rifles
2019-02-08 10:48
#3
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Germany toni1lol 
aim for teh head with galol, does more damage than m4
2019-02-08 09:43
But economically it makes no sense, why bother with the galil when you can get UMP and armor and not have aim punch and die really fast. The UMP is 1200 the Famas is 2250 and the Galil is 2000, spending that amount makes no sense.
2019-02-08 09:45
#16
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Slovakia sanjuro 
if i have money on galil and armor, but not for ak47, i go for it, if not i go for ump and armor.
2019-02-08 09:54
#26
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
cuz UMP is utter shit on long distances
2019-02-08 10:07
You dont seem to understand what im saying. The galil and famas might be better, but are they 800-1050 better, not they arent, you have a much better chance of killing someone with a UMP and armor then a famas or galil with no armor. Then you go even further into utility.
2019-02-08 10:10
#29
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
galil or famas should be bought if you're forcing or decide to buy nades instead of m4/ak with no nades. in both cases galil/famas is more logical than ump. who the fuck would buy galil/famas with no armor if you have 2200-2300 dollars?
2019-02-08 10:17
#30
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
UMP is the best smg by far. still not better than galil/famas. go into aim_botz and try to get 100 kills with famas-galil and ump with order and you'll see there is still a huge difference
2019-02-08 10:18
But thats not CS, CS is more than just weapon effectiveness alone, its based on its effectiveness balanced with its cost and some other factors, based on these the Galil and Famas hardly ever make sense, they are barely better than the UMP in most case and cost a minimum of 800 more, it makes no sense, if you made the Famas 2k and the Galil 1800 then they might start to come into the realm of making sense.
2019-02-08 10:20
#42
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
"they are barely better than the UMP in most case" this is where you're wrong. I used to think like you but UMP is only useful on short distances. in medium distances galil/famas are better, long distances g/f much much better. when you retake a site, UMP is also shit.
2019-02-08 10:26
They are better at those ranges but are they $800, no to minimal utility and no armor better. No, they arent, their price isnt proportionate to their level of effectiveness.
2019-02-08 10:28
#49
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
"They are better at those ranges but are they $800, no to minimal utility and no armor better." buy deagle then? it takes out enemy everytime hitting a headshot?
2019-02-08 10:30
But then you are taking the gamble that you will hit that headshot, in terms of investment the UMP is far more likely to be a good one than a Deagle.
2019-02-08 10:31
#53
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
no arguing that. galil/famas still better than UMP. even with the prices
2019-02-08 10:32
Price to performance they arent, they are a few percent better for nearly double the price. Then add in the fact that if you buy them and you are low on cash your chance of winning he round are actually less.
2019-02-08 10:33
#59
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
ok bro, whatever works for you. keep buying smg's against galil famas's. you'll be crying "famas/galil are too op" here in a few weeks.
2019-02-08 10:36
Nope, as ill just take down the morons who buy famas or galil with no armor. Or ill use the fact we have more utility to just make their range advantage irrelevant, take the site, close the range and wreck them.
2019-02-08 10:39
wtf are u talking about when have you seen somebody buy famas or galil with no armor? which elo you play? galil and famas are not pointless, and they are well priced cheap assault rifles, ump is a smg, and if i have 3200 on T side i would go 10 out of 10 galil armor utility instead of ump armor utility. your point of galil no armor makes 0 sence since that never happens. Maybe in your silver elo it happens
2019-02-08 10:47
are you dumb?? no one would buy the galil if he has not enough money to afford kevlar... u buy galil if u need utilitiy and have not enough money for utility and AK/SG buying weapon without kevlar only makes sense with ssg, awp or shotgun like third round as CT. if u lost first and died second u buy famas, kevlar and utility, or u buy m4 kevlar no utility
2019-02-08 10:55
#76
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United States gtmaniacmda 
ak is good... but is it 2200 better than the CZ???? (stupid argument)
2019-02-08 10:57
Yes as the CZ has extremely limited ammo, range and accuracy, the difference between the Famas/Galil and the UMP is far smaller than the difference between the CZ and AK. Thats again another stupid comparison.
2019-02-08 10:58
#84
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United States gtmaniacmda 
I disagree. The Famas/Galil are more similar to the M4/AK damage charactistics than the UMP. Slightly worse armor pen and damage, but about the same damage fall off. The UMP is not like rifles. You don’t buy it when you feel you need a rifle. I could buy a Famas or Galil and play with it like an M4/AK, which could not be said for the UMP. I wouldn’t use a UMP to hold outside on Nuke, or mid on Cache. It is a different beast for different situations.
2019-02-08 11:08
If you look at the spread of the Galil and Famas its awful, also at close range to close medium the UMP actually have higher DPS.
2019-02-08 11:10
#88
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United States gtmaniacmda 
#84
2019-02-08 11:12
#5
nex | 
Germany Der_Pabst 
galil and famas are still better than ump, ofc the ump is more priceworthy but if you rather want something for higher range and not the ssg the galil and famas are the go to thing
2019-02-08 09:45
They may be better but they arent better by enough to justify the extra cost.
2019-02-08 09:47
#13
nex | 
Germany Der_Pabst 
I might aswell always buy scout and never awp then. I think in a game where death or life are the keyfactor and can be changed by the weapon you buy, the 1000$ more are worth it
2019-02-08 09:49
The AWP is much better than the scout, its a one hit kill the Scout is only too the head. At most ranges the UMP only takes one bullet more to kill, for taking this extra bullet you can afford armor and negate aim punch and get some utility the Galil and Famas are basically pointless.
2019-02-08 09:55
#54
nex | 
Germany Der_Pabst 
I see your point but its normally like this: I have 3300 on ct, could go for famas with armor and a smoke/2flashes or for a ump, headarmor and more grenades. I feel like this is variable based on the playstyle, if you are support you maybe go for more grandes and if you are the starplayer you go for famas.
2019-02-08 10:33
But even the star players arent doing that a the UMP is still 95% as effective and has a better kill reward, 2 kills and its paid for itself the Famas needs something like 8.
2019-02-08 10:35
Ur dumb bro do u even play
2019-02-08 10:46
Yeah i also watch the best pros in the world and take note of what they do, you should try it sometimes.
2019-02-08 10:47
Yeah but the problem is ur trash so thing s they do might not be the most ideal thing for u to do. Also the rifles have obvious distinct advantages u cant talk away.
2019-02-08 11:10
You clearly have no grasp of the economical game of CS and how fine of a balance it is, theres little you can actuall impart to a discussion with your limited understanding.
2019-02-08 11:12
0/8 gtfo bitch
2019-02-08 13:27
#34
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
lol +1. scout-awp ump-galil comparison is on point
2019-02-08 10:22
It isnt at all though, the AWP is clearly much more powerful, it can kill you with on hit to even the arms, and can kill people from full HP through walls, it also forces people to be more careful about peaking angles as in most cases the awp wins, a scout doesnt have that effect.
2019-02-08 10:24
#44
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
so? galil/famas can kill with 1 shot to the head when enemy dont have helmet but ump can not?
2019-02-08 10:27
If you are against ecos then you buy Mac10 or MP9 so still pointless.
2019-02-08 10:29
#50
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
not everytime you buy mac10 or mp9? are you a silver?
2019-02-08 10:31
I didnt say everytime if you already have a gun then no but im talking from the position of you have nothing.
2019-02-08 10:31
#56
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
I'd still buy UMP everytime against eco's instead of mp9/mac10. think like this, I really like UMP why would I still defend galil-famas(which I think they need small buff) against UMP? becuz they're still much better.
2019-02-08 10:35
#47
nex | 
Germany Der_Pabst 
thanks
2019-02-08 10:29
#7
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Slovakia LINF 
UMP is a terrible gun I would rather get a P250 than that shit .
2019-02-08 09:47
Moronic, ill just leave you with that. The meta SMG and you think its terrible.
2019-02-08 09:48
#58
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Slovakia LINF 
I am talking about UMP not smgs in general , MP7 for example is incomparably better in every aspect and cost only 300 more . Also mp9 and mac are much better close range and you dont want to fight long ranged duels with ump anyway so why not get theese instead .
2019-02-08 10:36
The UMP has higher DPS and is cheaper.
2019-02-08 10:38
#62
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Slovakia LINF 
Yet it still feels terrible to shoot with and is quite inaccurate
2019-02-08 10:39
No. The spray pattern is brain dead easy.
2019-02-08 10:40
#64
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Slovakia LINF 
Nice arguments Mr.Brexit , keep using that gun if you love it so much . I will stick to common sense and use better guns .
2019-02-08 10:41
You mean the gun that most pros use. So you a person who isnt a pro and has never won anything are now claiming you know how to play the game and the best players in the world dont. Nice dunning Kruger effect you got there.
2019-02-08 10:43
#78
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Slovakia LINF 
I mean the gun that is the least used out of SMGs nowadays . Maybe if you actually watched some games you would see that its not 2017 anymore .
2019-02-08 10:58
No thats not true, its infact the most used SMG still. Theres a stats tab at the top, click it, then set it to top 20 as we only care about the best teams, set to last 12 months and youll see something, the UMP is the only SMG on the chart and the Famas and Galil arent.
2019-02-08 11:00
+999 mac 10 and mp9 are better than ump, after ump nerf, its literally garbatge
2019-02-08 09:48
hltv.org/stats This doesnt agree with you, the UMP is better.
2019-02-08 09:49
Change the filter to last 6 months.
2019-02-08 10:29
#36
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
-1 still best smg considering price-performance
2019-02-08 10:23
mac-10>ump
2019-02-08 11:20
#98
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Turkey AtheismFTW 
nope.
2019-02-08 11:41
galil is fine famas should be 2k though
2019-02-08 09:48
Even the Galil is too much, its not worth the money, UMP with kevlar is still a better option.
2019-02-08 09:50
#15
xartE | 
Finland XARTEGoD 
UMP is worse then galil in long range
2019-02-08 09:52
Think things through for a second. Its not just about how good a weapon is its also about its cost. You have 2-2.5k, you can buy a galil and some nades and thats it, or buy a UMP, full armor or just kevlar and basically full nades, with the Galil with no armor you will get torn apart. Even if you have 3k the UMP is still a better idea as it costs much less so its less of a risk and its 95% as effective in 99% of scenarios.
2019-02-08 10:00
nobody buys a galil when they have 2-2.5k unless theyre retarded so obv ump armour nades is a better option. but if they have around 3.5k theyre in an awkward situation as its not enough for an ak buy but its more than enough money for an smg buy thats when people use galil/famas
2019-02-08 11:37
i can play famas and i quite like it but i hate galul
2019-02-08 09:49
#19
ZywOo | 
Netherlands itsm 
depends on tactic. for fast contact play ump might be better solution. But otherwise galil famas are waaaay better.
2019-02-08 09:59
#20
ZywOo | 
Netherlands itsm 
even without armor.. i would just go for galil famas
2019-02-08 09:59
Have fun with getting aim punched missing all your shots and then losing that gun that cost you a minimum of 2k, you could have spent only 1800 and had a better chance of killing him and thats a statistical fact.
2019-02-08 10:01
Expected from UK CS
2019-02-08 10:01
You clearly dont watch much pro CS, the UMP is use much more than budget rifles. Look at all of the top teams, UMP armor is used over Famas/Galil with none, they are pointless weapons for their price.
2019-02-08 10:04
1 year ago yes, since the UMP nerf they don't play it anymore. Btw maybe CTs use it when they can play close ranged duels, but galil is used 100% of the time, when Ts have money to buy Galil + stuff
2019-02-08 10:05
No thats simply not true, go and look at the stats for the top 30 teams. That nerf was back in the summer of 2017 so over a year ago.
2019-02-08 10:08
#33
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Europe tweekzter 
UMP got nerfed and is useless on long distance. That's the spot where Galil / Famas come into play.
2019-02-08 10:21
Again you arent thinking it through, in most cases the UMP is just as good but with the UMP you can afford utility and armor, so you can use the utility to cut the range and have to armor to prevent aim punch and take more bullets to kill.
2019-02-08 10:22
#41
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Europe tweekzter 
I think it depends on lots of factors and there are certainly situations where you might still prefer a rifle over the UMP. Take dust2 as an example. Lots of long ranges. As long as you don't play tunnels or B site, a rifle might be beneficial. Some mate might be the one with the utility.
2019-02-08 10:26
I've always like the famas but sometimes I prefer the mp7 for some nice little run and gun action, just get a smoke and flash to get a little closer
2019-02-08 10:24
It doesnt matter what you like look at the meta of what the highest level pros are mostly doing.
2019-02-08 10:25
it does matter what you like as you will get better at doing stuff you like more quickly and at lower level play way more strategies are viable also even pros regularly buy 1-2 galil on T side if they dont have enough money for all AKs.
2019-02-08 11:27
#39
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France Paprii 
Tbh, I like Galil because on T-side you cannot really decide where you want to take your 1v1 and the Galil is way more accurate than the UMP on long range. But in CT, it's easy to take an UMP and adapt your position to it, so cost less, give more money, I almost never buy a Famas.
2019-02-08 10:25
The Galil is actually used less than the Famas, with T side you really can control your engagements, its what smokes, molotovs and flahses are for and with the UMP instead of the Galil and Famas you can afford those on very little money.
2019-02-08 10:26
#66
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Belarus @Bitly 
Galil is budget m4-s
2019-02-08 10:43
#67
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Estonia u3ffe 
VALVE NEEDS TO FIX FAMAS BURST
2019-02-08 10:45
+1
2019-02-08 11:26
op is retard or baiting, says UMP is better then GALIL/FAMAS cause its more effective, its not more cost effective if you lose the round cause the enemie had a assault rifle and you have a smg. i use both ump/galil/famas occasional situations. but to say galil/famas is not worth cause ump is 800 cheaper is utterly a shiet argument. you probably always play close angles, and it might be a better rifle for you, but other players who play from white box on cache ct side will rather have a famas there instead of ump plenty of situations where the galil/famas is more usefull then ump. and stop talking about the 800 more what you gonna do bring 800 to your grave when you lose the round?? id rather give 800 more to have a better rifle and i still will have enough for the utility. if i dont have enough for the utility we go eco? thats basic as f8ck ofc if you have 2500 or 2800 it makes sence to buy UMP with headarmor and some utility but not if you have over 3k. ez decision for me galil all day long or famas
2019-02-08 10:54
idk why but i really like the famas galil is ass tho
2019-02-08 10:55
#100
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Estonia u3ffe 
Mecha industries skin is nice
2019-02-08 12:09
ok
2019-02-09 23:41
#77
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Netherlands @Deji 
GaLUL sucks
2019-02-08 10:58
#80
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
If you can't kill someone in 2-4 shots with galil or famas then you are the one that needs buffing.
2019-02-08 10:58
long range engagements?
2019-02-08 11:01
who the fuck buys galil/famas with no armour?
2019-02-08 11:02
#91
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Germany 'ezpz 
Seems like an average NA Global
2019-02-08 11:21
xaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-02-08 11:40
Are they still used in game?
2019-02-08 11:14
Hardly.
2019-02-08 11:22
#93
nitr0 | 
Poland justDrag 
So stupid thread.
2019-02-08 11:22
FAMAS needs a buff yes, but I still buy it when I need to take long range fights where the UMP is worse and I can’t afford a M4
2019-02-08 11:43
This thread is full of fucking gold novas
2019-02-08 12:23
Totaly useless weapon. Remind yourself how many times u banged 5 rounds at a guy and did 80-90 dmg? Just buy a deagle, save money.
2019-02-08 13:29
#104
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Portugal astacp 
I think you are missing a point and that point is if you have like 2500$ you will just eco to full buy next round, you wont be buying a famas/galil. If you have like 3500 and you wanna buy its worth to buy galil/famas and armor instead an smg.
2019-02-08 22:31
Idk but I fucking love galil
2019-02-08 22:32
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