Thread has been deleted
Last comment
Navi still above faze?
gla1ve | 
United States LoverOfAllCountries 
How? Faze won their 4 team event Navi lost theirs Faze competition: c9/coL/big Navi competition: avangar/north/heroic Last time they faced, Epicenter grand finals: Faze 2-0 Navi Since that event, neither team had a good showing FaZe top 3, Navi 4
2019-02-11 20:32
#1
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
no
2019-02-11 20:33
explain
2019-02-11 20:36
#4
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
blast lisbon
2019-02-11 20:37
I'll explain better Flair...
2019-02-11 20:37
bo1 groups no playoffs, nt
2019-02-11 20:38
#12
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
faze rekt by c9 nt
2019-02-11 20:40
faze beat c9 2-1 lmao navi rekt by heroic and north
2019-02-11 20:40
#14
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
they also lost 2-0 to c9
2019-02-11 20:42
both overtime maps navi raped by north and heroic
2019-02-11 20:43
#16
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
no? against. north both maps pretty close. also beat heroic 2-0 after
2019-02-11 20:45
ur such a hypocrate "faze rekt by c9" "no? against. north both maps pretty close" "faze rekt by c9" "also beat heroic 2-0 after" faze also beat c9 after initially losing, fazes 1st series against c9 was closer than navi vs north
2019-02-11 20:46
#33
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
if you dont agree with me you can ask hltv i dont know how they determine the ranks
2019-02-11 20:50
#81
 | 
Europe Pallz 
Dude its over, your have no arguments
2019-02-12 08:41
#107
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
all he says is you dumb
2019-02-12 12:40
#109
 | 
Europe Pallz 
Study a bit in london school
2019-02-12 13:45
#110
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
sorry whats schol
2019-02-12 16:26
#111
 | 
Europe Pallz 
School is a place u go to learn np
2019-02-12 21:09
#96
 | 
Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Youre such an obvious ugly fanboy
2019-02-12 09:28
#108
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
no. i just dont think faze are better than navi
2019-02-12 12:41
Not everyone plays good all the time you spastic cunt.
2019-02-11 20:56
it was a responce to the other dumbass saying c9 rekt faze, i was using his logic against him like in #20
2019-02-11 21:01
#61
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
no, so his argument is irrelevant?
2019-02-11 21:00
u absolute turd, my arguement was the exact same as urs, i was mocking u u said c9 > faze since they beat them in groups but heroic beat navi in groups but u said navi still > heroic since they won the rematch, but faze won their rematch against c9 also u said navi still > north since it was close but c9 vs faze group stage was closer, 2 overtimes
2019-02-11 21:02
#71
 | 
Norway SaltySausage 
you say faze better than navi because of one bad anvi tournament so you are just as, if not even more stupid
2019-02-11 21:37
After FaZe takes in s1mple, then we can talk about top 3 (inb4 FaZe flukewins the major)
2019-02-11 20:36
niKo rain Guardian S1mple who? botlof botdren
2019-02-11 20:37
#7
twice | 
Korea Tzuyu 
and konfig
2019-02-11 20:38
ok
2019-02-11 20:38
#88
 | 
Europe paolom_22 
Niko Electronic S1mple Rain Ex6TenZ Ez
2019-02-12 09:11
Why not olof ? You still need a support , myb kio ?
2019-02-11 20:38
k1o > olof 2019 i believe olof, GTR, shox, and kennyS are the 4 most washed up players still on a team as of today
2019-02-11 20:39
SmithZz is still alive
2019-02-11 20:46
in order to be washed up, u need to have been good in the first place xd also smithzz no active team
2019-02-11 20:46
Good point.
2019-02-11 20:55
LOL
2019-02-11 20:55
Niko S1mple Zywoo Xantares Valde
2019-02-11 20:57
very interesting team, unlikely but interesting
2019-02-11 20:58
#17
 | 
Europe MpK_ 
nope
2019-02-11 20:45
Na'vi shouldn't even be top 10 after that last event. The ranking isn't current form though, current form Na'vi are not a tier 1 team.
2019-02-11 20:46
+1
2019-02-11 20:46
Navi in any form are not a tier 1 team
2019-02-11 20:47
+1
2019-02-11 20:48
that's why they were top2 of 2018 ;)
2019-02-12 12:05
Exactly. They are tier 2. 2nd place = tier 2
2019-02-12 23:00
try to google what tier1 tier2 or tier3-4 means :)
2019-02-13 07:22
#19
 | 
Europe Vallon2 
Honestly, nobody has a fucking clue on how good teams are. It's the start of the year, FaZe lost to some t3 teams, NaVi lost what should've been an easy tournament, but I doubt anyone wants to actually try before the major. Pretty sure everyone's trying to conceal their strength and that's where all this inconsistency comes from. The only sure thing right now is that Astralis and Liquid are the two best teams. After them? Noone can say for sure.
2019-02-11 20:45
i guess
2019-02-11 20:46
Heroic 3rd best team
2019-02-11 20:46
#84
 | 
Europe _jUNGLE 
troll tread, next
2019-02-12 09:07
#27
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
1 tournament does not make statements about rankings of two teams.
2019-02-11 20:47
Epicenter 3 month gap recent events
2019-02-11 20:48
#30
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
Still not enough to tell + it has been vacation for all players. But if FaZe rank higher than Navi in the major, I'd consider them the better team since they play with a standin as well
2019-02-11 20:49
navi has nothing on faze in the past 4 months, its time for a ranking change
2019-02-11 20:49
#32
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
Let's be real, Navi wouldn't even be top 20 without Simple. Poor guy carry's them 24/7
2019-02-11 20:50
zeus + edward + flamie +2 other top 500000000 zeus + edward + flamie + elec + 1 other top 50 zeus + edward + flamie + elec + s1mple top 5 elec + s1mple + 3 guys who can actually trade efficiently and open up frags top 1
2019-02-11 20:51
#39
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
+1 If Navi fails this Major in the way they did their last tournament, it's gonna be a disban, or at least Simple and electro out. Whether that would be through breaking the contract or letting them run out, either way. Don't think anyone except FaZe can put the money on the table for Simple
2019-02-11 20:54
s1mple and elec replacing olof and adren instant top 1
2019-02-11 20:54
#45
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
Prob, but I like Olof :((
2019-02-11 20:55
i like him too, his time has passed however
2019-02-11 20:57
#55
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
Yes, sadly
2019-02-11 20:58
I think rain needs to be cut over olof. olof is playing a support role and has been cited as a great teammate by NiKo and GuardiaN. Plus, olof was actually one of FaZe's best players in the second half of 2018 (after he returned). so with that, we have: NiKo (#2 in 2017) GuardiaN (#2 in 2015) s1mple (#1 in 2018) electronic (#4 in 2018) olofmeister (#1 in 2015) PogChamp
2019-02-12 09:25
"since they play with a standin " nobody cares about their stand-ins. it's their own problem if they can't play with their full-roster.
2019-02-12 09:21
It does if HLTV wasn't so lazy the current system and any system for that matter they ever used never gives you a clear picture of teams RIGHT NOW, I don't give a shit if a team did good 4 months ago and have enough points to stay in the standings I care about right now. Anyway none really cares that much anyway, Na'vi can't even compete in tier 2 with "the best player in the world" that team is dog shit no matter how you look at it.
2019-02-11 20:53
If ur implying s1mple isnt the best player in the world with "the best player in the world" i cannot agree with u otherwise i think ur right
2019-02-11 20:53
Big fan of his but he isn't the best overall player, he's just one of the most entertaining to watch anyway that's my opinion don't really care if people don't agree with me, I'm not a bandwagoner, I don't live in the echo chamber and I'm not a dick rider.
2019-02-11 20:55
#49
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
Doenst have anything to do with entertaining to watch, he just has better stats than any player right now, that's facts, making him the best in the world.
2019-02-11 20:56
Yeah see that's the thing I really don't care anything about stats I just like watching the game, stats with no context are about as relevant as Thorin's opinion on anything. Messi and Ronaldo had way better stats than Modric, Modric still won the award it's not like stats mean anything outside of peoples selective categorization.
2019-02-11 20:58
stats isnt the whole story, but its a part of it also s1mple stats and performence are both so much better than anyone elses today
2019-02-11 20:59
#68
 | 
Norway NosTheBoss 
+1
2019-02-11 21:13
im not a huge s1mple fan but if u dont think he is the best in the world as of RN, ur mistaken
2019-02-11 20:56
Like I said I really don't care if people don't agree with my opinion, I mean he's not the best rifler, he's not the best awper, he's not the best with pistols, he doesn't win enough titles, he doesn't have most MVPs, he doesn't have most EVPs etc he's just got really sick stats and he's entertaining to watch.
2019-02-11 20:59
u said he doesnt have the most mvps then u say stats dont matter mvps is a stat also he isnt the best awper but hes top 3 he isnt the best rifler but hes top 3 he isnt the best pistoler but hes top 3 he doesnt have the most titles but he has enough also his mvps mean more than devices, since he won them convincingly whilst device barely won them over magisk/dup/xyp/gla1ve overall he is undoubtly and clearly the best, no debate
2019-02-11 21:01
MVP is not a stat it's an award for performance and considering he has the best stats and not the most MVPs kind of eludes to what I'm talking about anyway. "also his mvps mean more than devices, since he won them convincingly whilst device barely won them over magisk/dup/xyp/gla1ve" This is your opinion and I respect it as well, it's not a fact the award is given to the player HLTV deems worthy of it, whereas I feel a couple of s1mple's MVP was given based on popularity not performance again this site is mostly looking stats these days where as in the past they were based on stats and achievements if you look any other ranking they had in the past so HLTV themselves can't even figure out what they value none of the kids on the forum can either. Undoubtedly* he isn't the best in terms of skill, so again we are basing this back to stats which I said I don't care about to begin with and I always make that clear cause I know when I get into this type of debate that's the only thing any s1mple fanboy can say, they have nothing else to back up their judgement on. I like watching this guy play pro tier 1 Lan games like he's on FPL with randoms, it's entertaining as fuck but in no way I would say he's better than certain players who play their role perfectly or excel at certain things. He's like an all rounded, compete player who knows how to frag people even if his team is getting dumpstered, he's lacking things like knowing how to make the players around him better, knowing how to play in structured team environment, putting the team before himself etc etc things you need to be consistently winning titles at the top level.
2019-02-11 21:08
#35
 | 
Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Na'vi > Faze
2019-02-11 20:52
pre 2018 faze > navi 2018 jan-mar faze > navi 2018 mar-sept navi > faze 2018 oct-dec faze > navi 2019 faze > navi
2019-02-11 20:53
#70
 | 
Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
2019 na'vi > faze
2019-02-11 21:35
faze won their event navi didnt navi lost to heroic and north faze only lost 1 bo3, both overtime maps
2019-02-11 22:50
#112
 | 
Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Yea, it doesn't describe their current form well.
2019-02-12 22:08
2018 Na`Vi >>>>> FaZe almost whole year.
2019-02-12 09:08
#46
 | 
Israel aequus 
Navi >>> faze All the long
2019-02-11 20:55
#36
2019-02-11 20:56
#53
 | 
Israel aequus 
In my opinion at least navi> faze
2019-02-11 20:57
Faze 1 tournament win navi 0 tournament win
2019-02-11 20:57
#64
tabseN | 
Germany NatsuS 
S1mple +30 Kill-dead Niko n0t
2019-02-11 21:03
s1mple > niko lmao nobody disagree with that niko > elec elec > guardian guardian > flamie zeus edward rain > flamie zeus edward olof > flamie zeus edward
2019-02-11 21:04
elec > guardian How the f*** can you compare an AWPer with a rifler ???
2019-02-12 09:15
rain, olof = trash and are not better than FLamie
2019-02-12 09:19
#87
cyx | 
South Africa bonkaz 
The good old kill-dead!
2019-02-12 09:10
#58
 | 
Germany Naviever 
Dafuq braindead HLTV user confirmed NaVi much better than your mix team FaZe
2019-02-11 20:59
+1 these fake and washed-up "sUpEr" stars are too low for Na`Vi.
2019-02-12 09:19
#67
 | 
Finland Kurppa 
From January to now, Na'Vi dropped 61 points and FaZe gained 41 points. The difference in January was 159 so the 102 point change wasn't enough. It's kinda weird though that Na'Vi only lost 2 points with GG.BET. Trading BO3's with a #37 team should already mean minus points. Winning a BO3 2-1 against #22 team and losing 0-2 to the #11 team shouldn't make you gain those points back.
2019-02-11 21:11
#69
 | 
Ukraine gungrave 
yes till major
2019-02-11 21:17
wasnt the tournament navi played in rigged? It was made by a betting company right? They rigged it and made a shitload of cash. Right?
2019-02-11 22:56
idk where u got any of that
2019-02-12 03:00
im just drawing logical conclusions
2019-02-12 08:35
#74
 | 
Russia NOD777 
Totally right
2019-02-11 22:57
ty
2019-02-12 03:00
#77
 | 
Sweden fxzo 
Nowadays hltv is a joke, do u think that nrg big and ence r better than NiP? Or Spirit better than hellraisers xd?
2019-02-12 03:02
potentially NRG > nip but yeah i get ur point
2019-02-12 03:02
+1. we dont know how these points is calculated(the details).
2019-02-12 08:50
Faze against this navi wud win They look bad navi and they may go out early this major
2019-02-12 08:36
nice prediction, but FaZe mostly lose vs Na`Vi ;)
2019-02-12 09:18
Yea i can be totally wrong but i hate when electronic n simple give thier alll and they still lose fkin bot eddie and flamie is so inconsistent They say zeus is for brain but then they lose
2019-02-12 09:38
#99
Romania jDT 
na vi looks bad but tbh faze look also bad. I believe also that Na vi will win.
2019-02-12 10:44
Ok
2019-02-12 10:57
Eddie n zeus r done for real They r washed up They need sdy norbert or some other cis young guns if not then save simple to faze
2019-02-12 08:43
Na`Vi = more points FaZe = dogshit
2019-02-12 09:08
at least faze didnt lose against n♿rth and her♿ic
2019-02-12 09:33
They rarely lose vs tier2-3, but they rarely win against elite tier1 ;) guess what? it's better to lose against some shit opponents sometimes, but do some crazy stuff, like top2 of 2018, than being top4-6 and consistently win vs t3 teams.
2019-02-12 11:58
honestly faze with niko igl looks very good. but adren looks not that good
2019-02-12 09:26
You're right, but neither Faze or Navi are top 5 imo
2019-02-12 11:12
navi not even top10..forget about this lucky ass tier99 team.
2019-02-12 11:59
Nice trash from your mouth, mr. hater. But in fact they just failed some trash tournament from the start after vacation. Means nothing btw.
2019-02-12 12:00
bad bait once again
2019-02-12 12:22
Login or register to add your comment to the discussion.