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Xyp9x number 13# is a joke
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Sweden EcoNAF 
The fact that Xyp9x got number #13 player is a fucking joke. Whether you like him or not, you gotta admit that he is a fucking beast, the clutch minister, he's way better than Krimz and Twizzt who got a higher position than him. I'm not even an Astralis fan so don't even try.
2019-02-12 00:38
#1
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Dominican Republic casxd 
uff
2019-02-12 00:39
internet explorer
2019-02-12 00:39
#5
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Sweden EcoNAF 
I just checked up on it again and when he got the position I wasn't able to post. I'm on google Chrome btw
2019-02-12 00:40
#42
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Finland dev2ce 
internet explorer
2019-02-12 01:55
#56
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Sweden EcoNAF 
Nice try quidtard
2019-02-12 02:35
#60
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Australia vamped 
IE user spotted
2019-02-12 02:47
#61
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Sweden EcoNAF 
God dammit
2019-02-12 02:48
Internet explorer
2019-02-12 03:28
I saw EcoNAF use IE some years ago and then checked up on him yesterday. Still same version.
2019-02-12 16:39
#121
flusha | 
Tunisia @BOLT 
name doesnt checkout
2019-02-12 16:09
Nt astralis fan
2019-02-12 00:40
#15
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Sweden EcoNAF 
EZ4ENCE
2019-02-12 00:44
#4
pronax | 
Russia ShadTH 
ok now get out
2019-02-12 00:40
This is why you can't judge a player relying on stats. If you do that, you might come to a conclusion that coldzera is in TOP3 best players of all time which in itself sounds absolutely ridiculous.
2019-02-12 00:40
#8
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Sweden EcoNAF 
+1
2019-02-12 00:41
#10
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Italy EdgeMaverick 
+1
2019-02-12 00:41
or even worse that device is a top player.
2019-02-12 00:46
+1
2019-02-12 02:42
#74
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Europe LowAlching 
that s1mple is better than device*
2019-02-12 05:15
#87
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Device is obviously a top player
2019-02-12 09:35
0/8
2019-02-12 18:58
#125
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Being #2 in the world is bad ok
2019-02-12 19:08
''This is why you can't judge a player relying on stats''
2019-02-13 09:09
#137
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Lululul so retarded
2019-02-13 09:10
The arguments you make are from another universe, completely un-logical and doesn't even contain basic English.
2019-02-13 09:11
#141
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Lululululul device bad
2019-02-13 09:14
I have never stated the opposite, have I? Don't you have school in Sweden around this time little child?
2019-02-13 09:15
#144
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Lmao device bad xDddd lulukukukuk kkkkk
2019-02-13 09:16
omegalul device only kill ecos and end frags , what is your point thinking he deserve that top 2 ? her teammates make a better and more important job than him...
2019-02-14 16:24
#159
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Im definitely not a device fan, i hate astralis. Saying he is bad is just retarded, he is incredible and you cant deny it
2019-02-14 16:32
#145
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Also, no we don't. In but 15 minutes but i apear to be in spain so no school for med
2019-02-13 09:17
pepega
2019-02-13 09:18
#149
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
För i helvete nu får det räcka
2019-02-13 10:06
okej pappa
2019-02-13 14:28
It's not that ridiculous to claim that cold is top 3 of all-time (CS:GO, not CS in general). The game has been out for a little over 6 years, and cold was the best in the world for 2 of those years.
2019-02-12 00:51
+1 name checks out
2019-02-12 01:18
#43
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Finland dev2ce 
It is quite preposterous, coldzera is not even close to being a top 10 of all time in CS:GO.
2019-02-12 01:58
#48
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Switzerland Tangyre 
He is, won alot of tournaments, including two major including being the MVP of both of them, two times number 1 of the year. I mean there is only fnatic players that have such a resume and most of them don't even compare skillwise. Name me 10 players better than cold fuckboi
2019-02-12 02:04
#78
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Denmark kozality 
On the flipside, Coldzera wasn't the best player of 2017 though. He was barely top three.
2019-02-12 09:01
Hahahhahah, OK retard
2019-02-12 02:11
And you are not even close to being smart. But hey, keep living in your imagination
2019-02-12 02:11
Wtf how did you bait so many people when it was clearly 0/8
2019-02-12 08:40
#115
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Finland dev2ce 
lmao not sure
2019-02-12 15:46
yse
2019-02-12 02:11
#83
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
lol 2017 MVP fer/NiKo 2016 Fallen
2019-02-12 09:15
#40
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Brazil fuNNa 
cold is TOP1
2019-02-12 01:49
The first sentence is correct, its bs to compare players based on stats, but then you went -200IQ
2019-02-12 02:08
So thinking that Olofmeister, Get Right and s1mple are/were much better than coldzera is '-200 IQ'?
2019-02-12 02:43
olofmeister? Yeah, probably even -300
2019-02-12 02:51
You must be either a baiter or an ignorant. Would be better for you to be a baiter.
2019-02-12 03:07
Okay, lets compare olof and cold cold has 13 titles (2 majors), 8 mvps (2 major mvps), 9 of those were big events (6 mvps) olofmeister has 22 titles (2 majors), 6 mvps (1 major mvp), 11 of those were big events (5 mvps) They both were complete dominant players during their time and could do it all coldzeras peak is higher, his consistency is also better. He was also the best player in the world for 2 years while olof was the best for one year + coldzera was individually a top5 player in 2018 too, judging his ability only, excluding team achievements, that can be said only once about olof and that is in 2015 when he was the best player in the world. You could say this about cold basically 3 straight times. Oh yeah, and olof wasnt even a top10 player both in 2014 and 2016. For 2016, he had great first 3 tournaments, he was the best in the world during that time period but then he missed a lot of tournaments and went to shit. Its not even comparable, coldzera wins this one easily, lol.
2019-02-12 03:26
Fully agree! Olof is dead, now barely average. How can you call him top 3 of all time? Or even GOAT??
2019-02-12 19:13
No,it doesnt,coldzera is absolutely up there
2019-02-12 09:11
Xantares is #1 if we focus on stats alone
2019-02-12 11:44
#126
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Zywoo*
2019-02-12 19:09
#7
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Algeria RunGo 
i even consider him the best astralis player but why u are this late ? u got banned or something ?
2019-02-12 00:41
#12
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Sweden EcoNAF 
My account had just been made so I wasn't able to post
2019-02-12 00:41
#80
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
U are bating, dumb or ignorant if u think xyp is the best on Astralis Or u might be all 3
2019-02-12 09:12
#114
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Algeria RunGo 
respect others opinions
2019-02-12 15:45
#135
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
There are very few argumentd to say that xyp is the best on Astralis. He is a great player, best support In the world but the only category which he would be the best in is clutches.
2019-02-13 09:06
Who would you call the best in astralis?
2019-02-13 09:11
#150
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
That's acc kinda hard question Technically you would have to say device cuz he was the 2nd best player in the world.
2019-02-13 13:59
He got 2nd cus he was consistent, not cus if his peak, not cus of carrying or anything.
2019-02-13 14:28
So in terms of consistency, I would fully agree with you.
2019-02-13 14:28
#155
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
If your talking about peak I would probably say dupreeh
2019-02-13 22:53
I'd say the same.
2019-02-14 16:21
Nah, that's dupreeh. I'm a big Xyp fan but dupreeh is just insane.
2019-02-13 09:44
That is true. But HLTV has fnatic #6 and fcking North #7. Enough said about this site.
2019-02-12 00:41
How is north 7 Edit: oh. They won a tier 99 tourney.
2019-02-12 00:43
but they beat navi
2019-02-12 01:43
#57
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Singapore Ndev0r 
and lost to vici
2019-02-12 02:35
yes that brought them down but winning ice and defeating those teams got them there
2019-02-12 04:08
#127
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Fnatic too high?
2019-02-12 19:12
Uh - OBVIOUSLY? They were 5th 2 days ago..
2019-02-12 20:17
#130
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Lol k. Faze could be above them but thats it
2019-02-12 22:12
Literally anyone could be above them - they haven't done A N Y T H I N G just like the teams below them
2019-02-12 22:13
#132
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Sweden DrakenIsHot 
Lmao beating Liquid and almost astralis in bo3
2019-02-12 22:35
He should go back to mars
2019-02-12 00:41
#13
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Sweden EcoNAF 
What do you mean?
2019-02-12 00:42
Yes, what do you mean Mr. Obviously Good Looking we have to presume?
2019-02-12 00:59
No not really imgur.com/a/PJDHKyw Edit: quality is shite sorry bout that
2019-02-12 01:12
Not sure what to respond here. Was that a PM?
2019-02-12 01:18
Do u not see the link, my friend?
2019-02-12 01:22
I did, yes - but I fail to see your point.
2019-02-12 01:23
I’m not particularly good looking
2019-02-12 01:24
Well, that's just like your opinion.
2019-02-12 01:26
Ah I see
2019-02-12 01:27
Xyp9x is The Bad Ass Clutch Minister. That's the way a Bad Ass Clutch Minister looks like. Okay, okay !?!
2019-02-12 01:32
Okay
2019-02-12 01:37
Va bene. Thank you then, my friend. I'm off to bed now. If we never cross roads again, I wish you all the best. Not long to The Major. May it be a good one, and may the best team win.
2019-02-12 01:46
Top 20 was over like 1 month ago man
2019-02-12 00:47
I agree with you that he is a content and clutch king, but his stats speak for themselves. He is too inconsistent for a higher rank. That is why HLTV placed him at #13.
2019-02-12 00:50
#20
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Sweden EcoNAF 
Stats doesn't speak for the player, this is a well known fact for most people x))
2019-02-12 00:51
Alright friend, in what way would you rank your top 20 players for the top CS media site? Remember, you can't use any stats, good luck.
2019-02-12 00:53
#22
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Sweden EcoNAF 
I'm not saying that stats don't mean anything, but stats are not all.
2019-02-12 00:57
And this is why xyp9x got a higher rank than what his stats showed... 13th is fair imo... And I'm an Astralis fan...!
2019-02-12 01:57
Thats actually a pretty easy task, but Id make a list that is based on players' ability and not performance in their runs (which is why there are all of the Astralis players so high, decent performances in 10 tournament wins). But people dont get that players like gla1ve or Xyp9x are not top20 individually (same goes for rain and ropz, maybe there would be an alternation for Magisk too), not looking at their achievements.
2019-02-12 02:05
This makes no sense since you're using your own opinion to steer where the end result will land. This is why you need statistics in order to avoid that.
2019-02-12 08:34
I need just a few stats and rating is not one of them. Pretty much K/R, ADR, etc., basically the high impact stats. It has to be taken into consideration who is the main star of the team, who is the 2nd one. It makes a ton of sense in the end but you have to think a lot about the result.. and it has to be as objective as possible and Im that kind of guy who doesnt have a problem with being objective.
2019-02-12 11:32
Me: "Alright friend, in what way would you rank your top 20 players for the top CS media site? Remember, you can't use any stats, good luck." You: "Thats actually a pretty easy task..." You: "I need just a few stats..."
2019-02-12 14:21
It can be done without stats. I probably shouldnt have said "need", more like it would make it easier because some of them are pretty important. I just fucked up my choice of words. And if you watch CS for the whole year then there is no problem doing it without it, you can clearly see who is the best, 2nd best etc. on their teams, you can see who is better than some other players, who performs better. Its not a rocket science
2019-02-12 14:24
#24
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United States EZ_4_NA 
Who cares lol
2019-02-12 01:04
Best clutch player but his overall impact is not as high as twistzz or krimz. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could think that Xyp9x is a better individual player than those guys.
2019-02-12 01:06
#36
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Sweden EcoNAF 
Xyp9x not better individually? He's much better than Krimz and Twistzz.
2019-02-12 01:40
uh, Twistzz maybe KRIMZ? hell no
2019-02-12 03:28
#82
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
Better than Twistzz and krimz individualy Do you watch counter strike????
2019-02-12 09:14
#38
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Sweden EcoNAF 
Look at Astralis's matches and convince me otherwise
2019-02-12 01:44
Hes not even top20 based on his individual ability.
2019-02-12 01:50
#45
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Sweden EcoNAF 
I r8 b8 8/8
2019-02-12 01:59
Keep being in denial
2019-02-12 01:59
#54
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Sweden EcoNAF 
Lmao, stay in denial for you, you're straight delusional. You got no arguments yet you claim he is a bad player?
2019-02-12 02:31
And you are stupid too. Ive never said he is a bad player. I just said that he is not top20 individually, which is correct
2019-02-12 02:50
#95
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Sweden EcoNAF 
Saying that he is out of the top 20 is basically calling him a bad player individually lol
2019-02-12 13:52
Yeah, because not being one of the 20 best players in the world out of millions means hes bad individually, sure. Hes hell of a player but there are better players that are more skilled and perform better on the server. I can give you some players that missed on top20 and are individually better than him - Ethan, Brehze, CeRq, tabseN, fer and thats just a few, there are still more players I didnt even bother to mention and I didnt even think about players that dont play against top tier opossition consistently. For the players that made the top20, everyone who placed below Xyp9x is better than him too but he was fortunate that Astralis had such a dominant year so he got some EVPs and wins. This counts a lot in HLTVs ranking (which is not based to compare players on their individual abilities that they show). He was actually slightly better in 2017 and still got #13 because his team didnt perform the way it did in 2018 :) I dont hate on HLTVs ranking, its correct according to their algorithm but it doesnt show 20 BEST players of the year and thats what a lot of people think. And you said that he is "way better than krimz and twistzz".. lol, not even close actually, they are miles ahead of him individually
2019-02-12 14:51
#102
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Sweden EcoNAF 
I'm talking about the pro scene and you mention "millions"
2019-02-12 14:53
Yeah, then I went on to talk about pro scene so whats your problem, too stupid to reply? Well, you got trashed with my arguments so you should just crawl back to your cave. And btw, not being top20 when considering pro scene only doesnt mean he is a bad individual player, especially when there are so many good players who can do anything in the game, can win rounds by themselves consistently, players who are a force to be reckoned with. You are just one of those guys who overrate him because they saw him clutch a great round and now you think that he does that every rounds (about 80 clutches in 4000+ rounds) and that hes just so much better because he plays for his teammates. If he was better than so many of those players he would have been the star player and sb like Magisk would be that pure support player (he actually has the skillset to be one) but he just isnt that good. He used to be underrated but dumbasses like you started to think that he is much more underrated than he actually is and you eventually made him one of the most overrated players in the world, maybe even the most overrated player in the world.
2019-02-12 15:06
#106
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Sweden EcoNAF 
That you have the time to write such a long response shows for itself. I didn't even bother to read it.
2019-02-12 15:09
#107
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Sweden EcoNAF 
That you think Tabsen is better goes to show for itself. Fer is a great player and the fact he is not higher is a joke too. I've watched Astralis against Fnatic many times and Krimz gets trashed most of the times it seems. Xyp9x has a very high impact on Astralis's performance and saves a lot of crucial rounds. I don't rate him for one clutch, I rate him for endless clutches where he goes 1vs5-1vs2 which Krimz is rarely able to do or Cerq or Tabsen or Fer. You're not open to Ideas so why should I write a long response when you have already stated your unmovable opinion
2019-02-12 15:17
You have 0 arguments and you are just pinpointing a thing that is actually correct in my statement :D tabseN is way better individual player than Xyp9x, hes got everything going for him apart from clutches. What goes to show for itself is that you actually picked player that is not even the worst player I mentioned :D lol
2019-02-12 15:17
#109
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Sweden EcoNAF 
I mentioned them all. Show me why TabseN is better, you mock me for having no argument yet you present nothing yourself keklol
2019-02-12 15:19
#110
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Sweden EcoNAF 
"Well, you got trashed with my arguments so you should just crawl back to your cave." You present no fact though
2019-02-12 15:21
#112
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Sweden EcoNAF 
But we can really discuss this till the sun dies so let's just stop it here. It's endless
2019-02-12 15:27
Yeah, you mentioned them after you edited your comment :D (and not even all of them) fnatic played Astralis 4 times in 2018, 3 bo3s and 1 bo1. The first one was the bo1 where krimz shat on Astralis and carried fnatic to the victory. The other 2 bo3s are against Astralis in godlike almost unbeatable form when they played like they solved CS, pretty much everyone got destroyed during that time. The last one is at IEM Chicago where krimz had one hell of a series and was better than any Astralis player there. So that makes 2 poor series against team that could destroy even prime fnatic in that form. Endless clutches? He basically averaged almost half a clutch per map, how is that endless? krimz is one the greatest clutch players of all time and this year he averaged a number of clutches per map on par with electronic who himself had a great year during clutch situations (only s1mple and Xyp9x had more clutches than him). That doesnt mean he clutches rarely but otherwise. And your only argument is that hes the best clutcher in the world :D thats just insane, clutching is only a part of much more complex game, lol. You are acting like clutching is the only and most impactful part of the game, you are out of your mind. And yes, fer rarely clutches, he has players that can do it instead of him and let him be that aggressive player he is. For CeRq, his clutch numbers are one of the highest throughout the whole year in context of maps played. brehze is a very solid clutcher too. And for tabseN, he doesnt clutch, he is also aggro player, he is not even supposed to do it. He is just a better overall player. Insanely skilled, allrounder, impactful, everything is going for him. Just to compare him to some players, he is way better than Xyp9x against top10 teams and is even slightly better than dupreeh against top10 teams. With that being said, Im not saying hes better than dupreeh, he had to do it much more consistently than tabseN but it shows sth, especially when he is just so much ahead of your Xyp9x. Learn one thing, clutches are not everything, there is early, mid and late round game too and only after that there is a room for clutch. Clutch is just a small junk of a round and its not more impactful than any other part of a round. Xyp9x getting a 1v3 is comparable to dupreeh (or tabseN if you want) opening site by himself with 3 headshots or getting 3 kills across whole round. Clutches are high impact, sure, but on par with other aspects I mentioned. Majority of kills are taking place prior to clutch game and thats where others I mentioned excel on much higher scale than Xyp9x. peace
2019-02-12 15:50
#117
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Sweden EcoNAF 
I'm not reading that
2019-02-12 15:52
You present one of the problems of todays civilization, laziness. Dont you want to find out why Xyp9x is worse?
2019-02-12 15:57
#119
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Sweden EcoNAF 
I know what you think, but I just said that I didn't want to continue and you have already stated your opinion and you have some good points. But I just don't wanna continue this discussion okay?
2019-02-12 16:05
ggez
2019-02-12 16:26
You are just making things up,he never said Xyp9x is a bad player
2019-02-12 09:13
Exactly, he is one hell of a player but there are just some better individually skilled players that actually perform better
2019-02-12 14:21
Its crazy he even got that high
2019-02-12 02:04
#55
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Sweden EcoNAF 
He has insane performance, any arguments otherwise? Think not, just look at Astralis's matches. He is the top fragger in a lot of matches with good stats.
2019-02-12 02:33
#84
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United Kingdom Gio_bose 
Astralis win a lot of matches just cuz he is top Fragger in some matches doesn't mean he is that good. Lots of other players in teams top frag when they are not the best player on the team
2019-02-12 09:17
well he isnt a stats kinda player, he plays what ever postion he is put in to perfection. not always high fragging postions. his nuke ramp is legendary. he is so underrated.. a true teamplayer i dont think there is a team that wouldnt benefit from him joining their squad
2019-02-12 02:55
xyp9x way better than krimz? Big event rating 2018: Krimz: 1.16 Xyp9x: 1.10 KPR Big Events 2018: Krimz: 0.78 Xyp9x: 0.66 Impact Rating Big Events 2018: Krimz: 1.16 Xyp9x: 0.94 nice try astralis fanboy
2019-02-12 03:34
+1 OP is full of shit. doesn't even bother to check the stats before making a thread like this smh
2019-02-12 09:20
"While he did perform admirably in his role, Xyp9x didn't have as much direct impact in his team's wins: he was the only player in the Top 20 with a below-average number of multi-kill rounds and had the lowest ADR in round wins. The aforementioned reasons, combined with the fact that he didn't have enough high peaks, stopped him from placing higher in the ranking for 2018." "But why? Because he won ~80 clutches in 4000+ rounds? I mean obviously he brings A LOT to the table, but people remember the clutches and then generalize that he performed the same way in every map all year. For things he did well, he went up to #13, but others made more impact." - HLTV co-owner and co-creator of Top 20 Lists, twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1087076723341.. I mean, 13th is a fair placing for him. The Top 12 players' performances all had more impact on their teams' results. This is not to say that Xyp9x is worse than them, of course, just that the role he plays may not necessarily allow him to frag more/as much. HLTV's list ranks players based on what they did throughout 2018, not what they hypothetically could have done with their skillset. Swap Xyp and Magisk's roles, for instance, and he could easily have been ranked higher (and Magisk lower).
2019-02-12 03:35
#72
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Finland Teukkasd 
ence > astralis
2019-02-12 04:10
Twizzt higher
2019-02-12 05:08
His rank is completely understandable and no way that he should be above krimz. Just no
2019-02-12 08:59
calm down krimz performed well from the beginning to the end of the year . twistzz top 3 in the coming years
2019-02-12 09:33
This ist just about stats, relax. Everyone with a little brain and cs knowledge knows that glaive and magisk are the most valuable players in astralis. The other 3 have been playing as a trio with countless players and were never even close to their current success.
2019-02-12 09:52
#89
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France 0racle 
he succ
2019-02-12 09:59
he's not as good of a fragger as the others, but he's good at isolating 1v1s hence why he seems like a beast, honestly he aint better than the rest
2019-02-12 11:37
He should've been top 10 just because of the ballsy 1v5 defuse against North to close out the map. smh
2019-02-12 11:41
Theres players like that, that even if they dont put up big numbers just make you win games by taking control of them. Xyp9x and flusha are among them. Their ranking dont really reflect their impact on games and tactical advantage they make you gain by taking informations, positioning and making key and impactful frags / clutch. It's a shame this game is starting to be all about stats and bullshit numbers that dont make sense and dont really help at looking at the picture picture. The Most Valuable Player (yes, valuable), isnt always the one with the best stats but people fail to realize that and just look at them like they are the alpha and omega of CS. I already said it, but if I had to make a competitive team, flusha would be number 1 on my list even though he wasnt top20 this year.
2019-02-12 12:00
#99
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Korea XigNw0w 
He's decent clutcher, but I think #13 is right.
2019-02-12 14:25
#100
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Spain Ca1ix 
His stats aren't that good despite being a god. Remember he's a support player and his in-game duties and philosophy are others than getting kills.
2019-02-12 14:29
+1
2019-02-12 14:56
13 is right for him smh
2019-02-12 15:03
+1 godxyp9x is underrated
2019-02-12 15:26
hes better only in clutches
2019-02-12 15:29
#120
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Turkey emre1s 
definitely +1
2019-02-12 16:06
#133
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France Uexo 
+1
2019-02-12 22:36
#134
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France Uexo 
Best support player atm
2019-02-12 22:36
#138
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Israel aequus 
Your life is a joke
2019-02-13 09:10
#143
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Finland Olter 
If you enemy always on bad buys because you have good players on team, your stats get higher also
2019-02-13 09:16
Xd
2019-02-13 09:25
''He is better in 2018 because he's clutch master'' Lmao, 10/10 logic. If you look at xyp9x as an individual throughout 2018 he's not as good as you think, definitely not on krimz's level.
2019-02-13 14:32
why do you care about this 1 month later
2019-02-14 16:26
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