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Give me one good reason why the AUG is bad
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
Outside of the "LE SCOPE XD" argument, give me a good reason why the AUG is so OP that it needs to be nerfed. I haven't seen anything (maybe outside of the spray control) that makes it worthy of the nerf nuke. Explain
2019-02-14 16:16
#1
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France smooyaTop1 
it doesnt need nerf just mad people got killed in mm 20 times with it and they are posting shit on hltv
2019-02-14 16:17
#2
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
+1
2019-02-14 16:18
+1
2019-02-14 16:18
#9
kennyS | 
Switzerland Imodeode 
+1
2019-02-14 16:23
#15
FalleN | 
Brazil bcorte 
+1
2019-02-14 16:25
#31
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Poland Kain_aj 
+1
2019-02-14 16:34
#67
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Denmark FazeUpAssDown 
+1
2019-02-14 19:19
Not an argument. We're discussing the pro scene, the fuck we care about MM? Who even plays MM?
2019-02-14 19:24
#74
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Other khorkalba 
I have only benefitted from the AUG/SG in mm so far. The issue is that it closes the skill gap between good players and bad players by allowing for easier frags. Ask yourself this next time you're watching a professional match: What makes these players professionals? Is it just teamwork, map knowledge, etc. or is there a mechanical skill involved that allows them to land outrageous headshots consistently? By increasing the usage of scoped weapons, Valve are effectively reducing the need for professionals to get outrageous kills. They're making the mechanical element of crosshair placement so much easier that it's just about reaction time and positioning now rather than having sick aim.
2019-02-14 19:26
#81
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Argentina trackssZZZ 
+1
2019-02-14 19:35
#86
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Korea clarityyyy 
+1
2019-02-14 19:39
#91
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United Kingdom charlie63450 
+1
2019-02-14 19:46
#104
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
+10
2019-02-14 20:07
#106
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Germany szily 
+1
2019-02-14 20:12
#4
nitr0 | 
United States McKillins 
The people who complain about the AUG also complain about Fnatic and NIP losing and the reason is simple. They don't like change.
2019-02-14 16:19
Fnatic and nip losing isn't change LUL
2019-02-14 16:53
lmao true
2019-02-14 19:31
#82
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Argentina trackssZZZ 
lol n1
2019-02-14 19:35
lol +1
2019-02-14 19:49
#5
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Greece Poor_Noob 
noob friendly and no fun to watch IMO
2019-02-14 16:20
#8
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
the not fun to watch part is your own opinion and I respect that...but why does it need a nerf/why is it noob friendly?
2019-02-14 16:21
#12
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Greece Poor_Noob 
just make it more expensive ,just give a reason for m4 to be pickable again ..famas costs 2250 , m4 3100 and aug 3150?? it doesnt make sense to me , whats your opinion?
2019-02-14 16:24
#35
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
I think really the only reasonable nerf I can see happening is the raising of the price from 3150 to 3200. $50 doesn't really net you an extra flashbang in most cases but $100 might, idk
2019-02-14 16:35
#23
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
because of the scope maybe?
2019-02-14 16:29
#55
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Europe rtsxx 
this lmao. i can't belibe people are so thick. the scope makes a huge difference
2019-02-14 19:04
#56
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
how so? Imo the scope actually makes it more difficult since your FOV shrinks and your sens is different in scoped form
2019-02-14 19:05
No? U ate not running around scoped. Just think about holding an angle. Longer distance. Whats better. Scope or nonscoped gun? But besides that. It doesnt need a nerf and i like it to play my self (i get shittalked for that too). But its kinda weired watching it in pro matches.
2019-02-14 19:17
#64
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
If the scope makes it more difficult, then why are pros using it?
2019-02-14 19:18
fov doesnt matter when holding a chokepoint angle like for example long on inferno
2019-02-14 19:18
#75
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
hope youre baiting
2019-02-14 19:26
Same people insult you if you buy P90 or autosniper I guess. Just some reactionary teenagers.
2019-02-14 16:20
people don't like changes, simple as that
2019-02-14 16:21
#10
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United States circles308 
because cs has been around since 2000 and never a scoped assault rifle, if the scope is removed then its fine
2019-02-14 16:24
#14
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
so basically what you're saying is change of the norm = bad
2019-02-14 16:25
#16
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United States circles308 
yes, that is the reason why it is the norm, imagine if soccer could suddenly use their hands, its just change!
2019-02-14 16:26
#19
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
right BUT the AUG change is within the confines of reason, randomly making handball's legal in soccer/football is not
2019-02-14 16:27
#22
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United States circles308 
only assualt rifle in 20 years of cs to have ADS and thats reasonable? i guess we have different definitions of CS
2019-02-14 16:29
#27
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
but it's been in the game since 1.6, how does lowering the price the cost of a flashbang make it any different
2019-02-14 16:31
#32
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United States circles308 
because nobody was using it before so it wasnt a problem, it would be the same with soccer and hands, if it was allowed but nobody was doing it nobody would complain, then if people started doing it people would complain. thats just human nature
2019-02-14 16:34
It needs a recoil increase
2019-02-14 16:35
#105
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
There are 3 different CS games. Certainly changes already accured. Pistols besides golden trio (usp glock deagle), SMGs, shotguns are all viable now. Why not make another rifle viable after 20 years ffs?
2019-02-14 20:10
Wrong. M4 was scoped and fixed silenced when it was launched. Get ur facts str8 at least, if you didnt play back then. Also lame to see ppl refer to 1.6 as if it was the start of cs. There were tons of versions before and 1.6 isnt Even the Best if u ask ppl who actually played before. 1.6 made cs noob friendly.
2019-02-14 21:42
#11
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Vietnam comergod1 
Almost never use AUG's scope. That gun is smooth af in spray control. And one more reason I hate M4 so much, fucking weak weapon.
2019-02-14 16:24
#13
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Poland FitPolak 
The reason why aug is bad: mp9
2019-02-14 16:25
aug is bad, cuz m4 still better.
2019-02-14 16:26
#18
shox | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
Closes the gap between Pro and Amateur. The game is aimed at the Amateur player. If they make a gun so easy to use that even the lowest Silver player can compete with Global Elite just by scoping in on a choke point and holding M1, then the player base will grow as they will enjoy getting many kills!
2019-02-14 16:27
#21
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
So how exactly does the scope change holding choke points? Couldn't you do the exact same thing with an M4?
2019-02-14 16:29
#24
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
no, not in the same way
2019-02-14 16:31
#28
shox | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
The Aug has very low recoil so it's a lot easier to control. M4 requires a little bit of skill. I'm talking more D2, back of B plat looking into tunnels sort of choke point. The silver players favourite spot. At that range, the Aug is basically a half price AutoSniper. I'm not saying it needs a nerf btw. This is a reason why it's OP
2019-02-14 16:32
#29
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
fair, that's a good point
2019-02-14 16:33
Not really, the AUG has the same recoil apart from when scopes but if you scope you move much slower and are much more vulnerable to flashes as you cant see as much and cant turn away as fast.
2019-02-14 16:35
#43
shox | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
I'm talking Silver matches. They look at their own flashes and don't stop to shoot. The guy crouched behind the box on back plat will stand up, scope in and hold M1 in sheer panic, getting an Ace because the scope has low recoil.
2019-02-14 16:40
Actually it doesnt, you still have to pull on your mouse mat the same amout due to the fact that when scoped your sens goes down even when set to 1.0. The scope cuts the recoil in half but also cuts your sens in half unless and most players dont use 2.0 zoom sens so they are pulling their mouse down the same amount, the real benefit is the extra accuracy.
2019-02-14 16:45
The aug hasn't been changed in years except for price
2019-02-14 16:37
#66
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Which is an EXTREMELY bad thing.
2019-02-14 19:18
#20
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Europe lalt 
It's bad because it makes game more CT sided again.
2019-02-14 16:28
#25
FalleN | 
Brazil bcorte 
AUG is fine. If even a "noob" can get kills with this weapon then good players will do much better. It just lack some good skins, that's all
2019-02-14 16:31
#25
FalleN | 
Brazil bcorte 
F***ing duplicate message
2019-02-14 16:34
Noobs can get kills with any weapon, the AUG isnt easier to use, its just more effective, if you ask me the AWP is the ultimate noob crutch, you dont to learn anything to use that gun, scope, wait, click, run and then repeat, you dont need to know anything about counter strafing, tapping rhythms, varying between tapping and bursting then there spraying, the AWP just removes all need to learn any of that, then you get the lucky BS rng no scopes.
2019-02-14 16:37
#33
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Europe The_HLTV_Lier 
As NiKo said, it's a noob weapon. No hate here just saying truth so don't even try, I'm still using M4 and still performing :)
2019-02-14 16:34
#50
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
ah yes because obviously he cannot be wrong
2019-02-14 18:57
#71
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Europe The_HLTV_Lier 
I've never said he cannot be wrong please learn to understand your own language. I just share the same idea about the AUG that's all
2019-02-14 19:22
+1 shit noob friendly gun. i dont get the same satisfying feeling using it instead of m4.
2019-02-14 19:37
Its not about the scope idiots its because it has 0 recoil
2019-02-14 16:36
It has the same recoil as the M4 when unscoped, its the same, it has less spread but the size of the pattern is the same.
2019-02-14 16:37
Yeah but when scoped you can just hold down mouse1 and get a 5k Its not because of the zoom
2019-02-14 16:39
No you still have to counter recoil and if you scope you are very slow and an easy target, they should just trade you out with ease.
2019-02-14 16:39
flag checks out, just stfu NA kid... scope that fucking zoomes in and an easy fucking spray WHAT MORE DOES IT NEED TO BE OP? NA brains dude, give NA people own section. some are just beyond retarded.
2019-02-14 16:39
#53
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
1) Zooming in has nothing to do with skill, if anything it INCREASES the skill required 2) The scoped spray with AUG is the same as M4 as #46 said Regardless I pointed those out in my original post so besides "le burger brain" and "scope sux" argument why else is it OP? Or are you just mad somebody dropped 30 with the AUG on your sorry ass?
2019-02-14 19:03
hahaha dude everyone thinks its op but always its a fucking NA brain saying NO do you really want to discuss whether its easier to kill enemies that are "closer"?????????????? holy crap seriously why are NA people so dumb....
2019-02-14 19:07
#60
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
Right, NA brains are the only one thinking this even though posts 1, 3, 4, 6, 9, 15, 31 (among others) all agree and ARE NOT in the NA region but yeah it's just NA people that think that are you just going to keep spewing talking points about the scope etc. or do you have a legitimate argument, because I don't really like talking to you
2019-02-14 19:14
ok you know what you are an average NA dmg kid who is just shit at the game. if you dont understand that aug is op, FINE cya casual bot
2019-02-14 19:14
#62
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
LUL no argument
2019-02-14 19:15
#96
device | 
United States Lazerz 
Average NA DMG = Makku omegalul
2019-02-14 19:52
lmao he would rek your globals easily while editing a fragmovie on a 2nd monitor. burger brain
2019-02-14 19:54
#101
device | 
United States Lazerz 
His lan adr is ur average iq
2019-02-14 19:59
not going to talk about IQ with a burger brain cya
2019-02-14 20:02
#103
device | 
United States Lazerz 
lmao im asian, my iq is at least 25 pts higher than u
2019-02-14 20:06
#44
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Spain X4rly 
just buff both m4´s and remove aug and krieg, they look so stupid on cs with the scope and the general "not cs" look they have
2019-02-14 16:43
#93
n0thing | 
Peru firev_ 
this +1
2019-02-14 19:48
i think m4a4 is better, but, that it is just my opinion
2019-02-14 16:44
It's all about the scope really. There's no reason to be so horny for change, especially when it distances itself far from what Counter-Strike has and should (imo ofc) be. The gun takes no skill to use in the scoped form which really doesn't fit in well with the rest of CS as a game. I've always despised the Aug because I believe that it slows down the progression of newer players since they don't learn how CS, at least with most guns. They instead continue with their Call of Duty ways instead of learning spray control.
2019-02-14 16:52
That makes no sense at all, even when scoping you still need to counter the recoil and since when you ADS with it your sens is lower this means you actually have to basically move your mouse the same amount as it halfs the recoil and most poeple use around a 1x zoom sens so no thats a complete lie, its spray pattern is also very standard.
2019-02-14 19:20
There's no way you don't think the AUG is easier to use than the M4. Have you ever thought about why it was only silvers who used it before they lowered the price?
2019-02-14 20:48
4hits with aug 5hits with m4.
2019-02-14 16:54
#51
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Brazil sprk1 
noob weapon
2019-02-14 19:00
#52
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Europe god_of_hltv 
Only 50$ more to have a scope and an easier spray pattern, that’s too op
2019-02-14 19:02
scope price and vertical spray
2019-02-14 19:03
before aug new price they used to say: aug is bad because in the time it takes to scope in you would be dead... they didn't even tried the gun now that everyone is using, they say it's OP xD
2019-02-14 19:09
#68
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
"AUG is fine" Meanwhile in major, maps are 10-5 CT sided, when they were starting to swing in the favor of Ts before the AUG buff.
2019-02-14 19:19
#107
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
And who's fault that pros are stubborn to use SG to accurately one shot hs enemies? SG is even better than awp when it comes to first shot accuracy.
2019-02-14 20:13
#108
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
"Yeah i will use the AUG but the SG is where i draw the line" Said no pro ever.
2019-02-14 20:14
#110
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
It's not like that, they simply aren't used to entirely different spraypattern SG have, hence they prefer AK even though it's not as accurate as any other "standard" rifle.
2019-02-14 20:16
#111
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Which makes the SG harder than the AUG and completely invalidates your argument. Anyways, if the SG was used over the AK that would be AWFUL for CSGO. The AUG is ruining the major enough as it is.
2019-02-14 20:17
#112
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
No it's not ruining for me. Everyone has different opinion. Kinda refreshing to see something else than horrid m4 gun. Although we can suggest scope movement and activation (when it takes pretty long to focus) nerfs for AUG, so there would be harder time to scope in and kill.
2019-02-14 20:22
#116
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Or maybe fix the M4? Nerf the AWP and make riflers relevant again, without the need for Call of Duty level weapons? Raise the skill ceiling back to high?
2019-02-14 21:49
The only reason I believe that it will be nerfed in some way soon is because now there is suddenly no reason to buy the m4 anymore, the m4 and aug has basically just switched places and the less we see the m4 the more tempted Valve will get to nerf the aug.
2019-02-14 19:21
If it isnt op, then why does everyone use it now?
2019-02-14 19:23
Just because it's better doesn't make it op
2019-02-14 19:34
I'll give you one reason and the only reason that it matters= Valve will change it after the major. There's no point in wasting time against shit arguments like "LUL THEY'RE LE NUBS WHO GET FRAGGED IN MM AND THEY'RE MAD XDDDDDDDDD",
2019-02-14 19:29
this is the most shit bait ive ever read in my life... everybody knows the advantage of the AUG and SG: they cost similar to the M4 and AK but come with a SCOPE what even is the point of buying another weapon if you get the ability to easily engage in long range?? 0/8 nice try burger
2019-02-14 19:30
it isnt a bait man he is just the average NA brain that we know. so retarded that you could think that he is baiting.
2019-02-14 19:38
+1 true
2019-02-14 19:41
#117
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
Still mad huh
2019-02-17 17:10
14.02 burger brain
2019-02-17 17:13
It’s like M4 but with a scope. Zooming makes the shots so much easier kind of like zooming or double zooming with the awp. It makes the target “bigger” and much easier to hit. So it makes the M4 obsolete basically....there’s a reason all the pros are dropping the m4 for the AUG.
2019-02-14 19:34
i tried explain him the same way earlier in this thread. but NA burger brain doesnt understand the point. what can you expect from trump's people.
2019-02-14 19:39
Whats wrong with not seeing the 98 in 4 gun being used.
2019-02-14 19:40
#89 below me basically explains it. For an upgraded weapon it should cost more...that’s why m4 is more expensive than Famas. Or there should be a trade off as #89 says (ie: m4a1 has reduced clip vs m4a4).
2019-02-14 19:55
The M4A1-S is not a trade off, its pure shit.
2019-02-14 19:56
I don't mind the aug or the sg, one good thing would be to either make it just 150$ more expensive OR make the movement with the scope slower (kinda like the awp nerf)
2019-02-14 19:42
#109
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
I'm not anti-aug retard, but scoped movement nerf is great idea.
2019-02-14 20:14
Spraying with AUG is awful
2019-02-14 19:43
#92
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India LodFresa 
Cause no good skins, now with this AUG meta, they will release new AUG skins so that noobs will buy more cases which will earn revenue for valve, i hate that idea cause valve doesn't deserve our money!!!
2019-02-14 19:47
#94
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World dammo 
It's way easy to kill (hs = insta dead + scope) than with m4?
2019-02-14 19:48
the fact that you can hold super tight angles and get the kill when the other payer doesnt even see you... besides that, it is fine imo. maybe a slight increase in recoi while scoped?
2019-02-14 19:57
elige
2019-02-14 21:02
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