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Your Political Leaning (Strawpoll)
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I'm just curious about the demographics on HLTV. strawpoll.com/xpkee814
2019-02-14 18:44
#1
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Japan PARAFAL 
all leftys should be fisically removed
2019-02-14 18:45
Isn't japan socialist and thus left??
2019-02-14 18:47
centre-right.
2019-02-14 18:50
#12
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Japan PARAFAL 
>japan >socialist ??? literally the most conservative country in the world
2019-02-14 18:51
I read a paper which showed that japan was closer to a socialist that a capitalist state in its policies (not only economic policies but policies as a whole)
2019-02-14 18:55
that paper wasn't right.
2019-02-14 19:05
It was a scientific paper but long story short #11 #12 are correct. Japan can be said to be a capitalist economy with socialist values which puts then in the center moving rightwards
2019-02-14 19:18
well, it's also Buddhist-values which can be mistaken as socialist ones, but yeah.
2019-02-14 19:19
Or socialist values could be mistaken as buddhist values
2019-02-14 19:31
Sure, everyone knows socialism was created 2000 B.C. Sorry, my mistake :)
2019-02-14 19:33
Sure, everyone knows that Buddhism hasn't changed a word in 4000 years. Sorry, my mistake :)
2019-02-14 19:36
Oh, yeah they "changed words", but the core principle remains the same. I don't know, why you want to make a challenge out of this, but I guess you felt like I attacked your political position. I can reassure you that's not the case. I support more views of "the left", than "the right". It's just not my thing to take sides.
2019-02-14 19:42
They update their views as the humans continues to grow. This is why many of their ideas now is from socialism. I'm not attacked by this since i'm a communist and not a socialist. But even though i don't support socialists i can't ignore when someone is wrong about their ideology.
2019-02-14 19:52
I realized you're communist, but still, you're saying that I am wrong about something, what exactly am I wrong about? I think we're both right, it's just a typical stupid internet conversation that doesn't make sense. We obviously agree on the similarity of Buddhist and socialist values, but what does that mean? Does Buddhism have to accept it isn't a religion anymore and call itself socialism? I just said that Japan takes it's Buddhist heritage very seriously and that could be mistaken by other countries or individuals as socialism. That's all.
2019-02-14 20:02
Don't trust everything you read, because of the wildly accepted p=0.05 statistical significance test, as David Colquhoun said: "If you use p=0.05 to suggest that you have made a discovery, you will be wrong at least 30 percent of the time." That's assuming "the most optimistic view possible"
2019-02-14 19:21
Lmao This doesn't apply to everything, you are taking the quote out of context. This applies to experiments and not everyday reading.
2019-02-14 19:56
I am taking it out of context, and it certainly is not 30% for every scientific paper, say in math, computer science, physics it's a rather low percent, but in more subjective topics, like behavioral science (like you are more likely to be a homosexual if you like MIBR). But because of the way you can manipulate data to get that p<0.05 you can publish some stupid fucking papers, especially if it has the "wow" factor. I didn't really care about what that guy said, more about if one should trust everything thats in a scientific paper.
2019-02-14 20:04
You are the kind of guy that says you shouldn't trust science and then believe everything that Trump, Fox News and breitbart says
2019-02-14 20:10
Where did you get that? I think you should read scientific papers while using your logic, tbh whats the point of reading them if you care only for the hypothesis? If you actually read some of these so called scientific papers you would see the utter stupidity they contain, mostly it's about choosing a moronic research sample. Not to mention i don't read/watch what Trump, Fox etc. say, although they certainly are not the worst. As i have recently written a scientific paper i thought i would give my 2 cents on the credibility of scientific papers.
2019-02-14 20:21
Conservative and left aren't mutually exclusive
2019-02-14 20:20
#189
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Israel unsolid 
Did u just assume everyone u replied to are gay?
2019-02-15 08:08
Yes
2019-02-15 15:12
#199
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Israel unsolid 
Now im triggered
2019-02-15 15:27
fisically
2019-02-14 18:49
#27
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Netherlands CaptainMarten 
lmao, what are they doing to you?
2019-02-14 19:14
#33
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Japan PARAFAL 
destroying europe and society as a whole
2019-02-14 19:18
#36
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Netherlands CaptainMarten 
I don't see a destroyed europe yet? Is something up with your delusional mind or...? Btw, I'm not left. I'm just against people with an iQ under 70 voicing their opinion
2019-02-14 19:19
#39
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Japan PARAFAL 
Example: Sweden after left immigration policies - 7840 reported rapes last year, new record high - Half of victims are children - 1/3 of young women report they've been victim of sexual crime - 47% afraid to go outside alone in some areas - 2nd highest number of rapes in world per capita
2019-02-14 19:23
#43
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Netherlands CaptainMarten 
So, you're taking Sweden as entire Europe? I'm not experiencing any of it where I live. Does their immigration policy reflect the entire left? Dude your reasoning is sketchy af, even a 7yo makes more sense If you wanna convince me, put some effort in your arguments or just don't open your whore mouth at all. Filth like you with their far right/left 65iQ claims is what's ruining this world
2019-02-14 19:26
#46
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Japan PARAFAL 
It was just a example you retarded weed smoker. Europe is being islamized, this is pretty obvious, if you don't want to be beheaded by Mohammed you better start working for more right policies than retarded special snowflakes left policies.
2019-02-14 19:29
#49
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Netherlands CaptainMarten 
I'm not doing either and I'm not gonna be beheaded. Stop living in a delusional fantasy :)
2019-02-14 19:31
#53
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Other nt_newfag 
very skewed stats because of laws that define rape and so on
2019-02-14 19:34
"- 7840 reported rapes last year, new record high" Unlike Japan, Sweden has one of the strongest laws what is rape and not in the world. While in Japan it's allowed to rape children it's not in Sweden. And that's why you see such high amount of reported rapes in Sweden and not in Japan. Also reported rape isn't equal to actual rapes. But of course 50 IQ Japanese can't know this. thejournal.ie/japan-child-abuse-2966815-.. Also, rape is rising faster in Japan than in Sweden, up by 27% first half of 2018: mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180719/p2.. "- Half of victims are children" Not even close. But in Japan childporn is still widely accepted and distributed. That's why Japan is a safe haven for pedophiles. "- 1/3 of young women report they've been victim of sexual crime" Which is more or less like rest of the world. "- 47% afraid to go outside alone in some areas" Again not true. "- 2nd highest number of rapes in world per capita" Again, you have no idea about rape laws in Sweden. Rape in Sweden is not just penetration, you get judged for rape for less than that. As usual, it's funny to see people from Japan discuss rape when their own country recently banned childporn and when they still have a huge problem with pedophiles.
2019-02-14 19:50
#168
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Brazil davidzor 
I highly doubt he is even from Japan, just a wannabe. Must be one of Alex Jones followers.
2019-02-15 03:09
True but he still is wrong even though he isn't from Japan. People see Japan as some kind of golden country just because they have such weird laws
2019-02-15 07:49
I read "all lefties should be fiscally removed", which would have been funnier
2019-02-14 20:24
so much for the tolerant right smh
2019-02-15 07:51
#197
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Korea crepes 
reasonable
2019-02-15 15:06
Gandhi leaning
2019-02-14 18:45
#7
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Switzerland sovereiign 
:) I've read most of the writings of Leo Tolstoy who had great Respect for Gandhi and corresponded with him in letters. A lot of people today claim Gandi was racist and a pedophile but I don't know if these things are true since I haven't looked into it. I know Tolstoy was neither of these things and he respected Gandhi so I question what others say of him.
2019-02-14 18:49
Racist - no way Pedophile unlikely but there were some claims
2019-02-14 18:58
#17
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Supposedly, he got young girls to sleep in his bed as a "test" to overcome his sexual desires or something to that effect. Sounds strange, but I don't know the Indian culture and the practices of the Hinduism. I do not support this sort of thing but if he really never touched these girls then I guess he was being true to the claims he made. Only God knows, so I refrain from speaking too much on things beyond my ability to make absolute conclusions about.
2019-02-14 19:04
Yea he had some badshit crazy theories regarding sex like telling newlyweds from refraining from sex and the aforementioned sleeping with girls to increase willpower. Most people just ignore these "advices".
2019-02-14 19:22
#40
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Gotcha. Thanks for the insight.
2019-02-14 19:24
that makes 50$
2019-02-14 18:45
Right- It says it in the name WE ARE RIGHT!
2019-02-14 18:47
#151
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
There are those who are right and then there are those who are correct.
2019-02-14 23:28
#166
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Brazil jmarcelo 
those who are right are correct
2019-02-15 03:07
#184
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France PowwneD 
U are right so ur not correct
2019-02-15 07:54
#201
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Brazil jmarcelo 
im both right and correct. nt baguette
2019-02-15 16:47
center-left but far right on immigration
2019-02-14 18:50
Probably the only not possible mix
2019-02-14 19:25
#60
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Sure it can mix. He's just saying social policy-wise he supports more moderate-left agenda's but on the single issue of immigration he's far right. There is no contradiction here.
2019-02-14 19:39
It is absolutely contradictory. Moderate left is capitalistic economical system with some redistribution, right? Moderate left is also about some human right level? So no slavery, no forced breeding, no child work, no forced deportation, etc.. right? Capitalism is about owners making money with the added value of workers. So at some point you need wage of workers low enough to get some benefits. Wage of workers, in a capitalistic system are dependent of or an offer/demand ratio of available workers. The lower available workers there are, the higher wages are. The higher wages are the less owners make money. To sustain capitalism you need to keep that ratio high enough. Since you can't use other ways mentionned above (slavery, child labor, etc..), immigration is needed in order to do so. There is not a single exemple contradicting this in the world history. TL;DR : anti immigration is mathematically incompatible with moderate left. Period.
2019-02-14 19:50
#76
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I disagree, but did not create this thread to get into long debates with people because I don't really care what others think. I'll just say that your premise is wrong because it built a strawman and then tore it down. Nations can exist without much immigration or even none at all. Today, birth rates are so low in white first world nations that they need these immigrants to help support the system they created because of the future obligations the system dedicated itself to. But, you could have easily created a different system which doesn't require so many taxes and people to support it and immigration would not be required to maintain it. But please, let's not go down this road because it's futile and would require way too many words for us to hash it out and even then we'd both probably still stick to our original premise because most debates aren't people trying to come to the truth of a subject but to reinforce their own ideas in an attempt to prove themselves right.
2019-02-14 19:57
Nation can exists without immigration, but moderate left nations in our capitalistic world can't. You replied saying it is possible. Not in real world. Sorry.
2019-02-14 20:03
#89
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Iceland exist's without hardly any immigration as do many other nations. There are nations with populations less than 100k and do perfectly fine without immigration. I concede that the way the large nations like Germany, England, the US etc. have over extended themselves in terms of future obligations and therefore need these immigrants to help sustain the system they made - but even in this case if the natives of the countries had enough children they'd be fine. The other option is to not have a system which needs to bleed over 50% of societies labor resources to sustain itself.
2019-02-14 20:10
#131
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Switzerland sovereiign 
If that is true (I'll take it's word for arguments sake but a news article proves nothing), it's only because of what I already stated. These are self inflicted wounds and not natural occurrences. You seem to be missing that point. It doesn't surprise me that Iceland is now starting to reap what they sowed. When a nation promises to pay for all these future programs and services which they do not have the money for yet and the people aren't making enough babies then you are headed for disaster. I understand economics and that in order to sustain a population who will require your services which aren't yet paid for you'll need young people to be working to fund these programs. But, I was never arguing against this being a reality. I'm only saying that it's self inflicted, and an unnatural result due to bad policies made by corrupt and irresponsible people who drive people into debt who haven't even been born yet.
2019-02-14 20:56
#13
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Switzerland sovereiign 
bump for votes.
2019-02-14 18:55
#16
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Brazil hltv_baiter 
im far moderate
2019-02-14 18:59
#18
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Pog
2019-02-14 19:04
#19
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Norway PeteZz 
Surprisingly few far-right.
2019-02-14 19:04
#21
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Thankfully even fewer far left.
2019-02-14 19:05
#22
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Denmark Doctor_Viktor 
what's wrong with that?
2019-02-14 19:07
#23
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Well, for me the far left represents communism and that is the complete opposite of what I believe in and hold dear. I'm very much an individualist who wants the system to leave me alone and allow me to live my life how I want so long as I do not harm others. I do not believe government force from any political wing is moral. I believe in the non-aggression principle.
2019-02-14 19:10
#29
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Denmark Doctor_Viktor 
Interesting view. I believe in (pretty much) the opposite, but I would not consider myself a 'far left' but just 'left'. Communism is definetly flawed, which is why I don't believe in it.
2019-02-14 19:16
#26
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Even if the system is not aggressive and tyrannical It's still wrong to force others against their will to participate in the system if they deem it immoral or repulsive. I also believe that if you want to be left alone by the system, you should never take anything from it because then you've become a burden on society.
2019-02-14 19:14
#31
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Denmark Doctor_Viktor 
I don't think you are forcing anyone to do anything. It is just your duty to take care of the weak parts of society.
2019-02-14 19:17
#44
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Yea, we definitely disagree :) I'm not responsible for others. I can only be responsible for me and do my best to help those in need if I'm able. It's definitely wrong to turn a blind eye to others needs but it's equally wrong for the system to force you to contribute to things you disagree with.
2019-02-14 19:26
#45
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Switzerland sovereiign 
As far as force goes, all the systems in this world force people to submit to their will or face punishment. No matter how mild the system is if you begin to directly challenge it it will destroy your life.
2019-02-14 19:28
#167
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Brazil adre221 
are you an ancap?
2019-02-15 03:07
#170
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Anarcho capitalist? I'm assuming that's what that means though I've never seen it that way. Fundamentally I'm a free market anarchist but at the same time I don't live in a mental utopia where I think my ideal system will ever be adopted. Anytime people have broke away or tried to remain free of this world's systems stronger forces move in and either kill or conquer them. There were many people wiped out in this manner and the only reason we know they existed is because of footnotes in the histories of those who crushed them since all personal records were destroyed and eliminated from the earth. I long ago separated myself from the system and do not participate in anything related to the state nor have I ever taken anything from them, nor will I ever. All the govs of this world are controlled by corrupt and evil people who do not have the interest of their slaves in mind. I see no solution to the problem because ignorance of the masses will forever stunt any real attempt at creating a truly just society.
2019-02-15 03:14
#174
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Brazil adre221 
I see. I didn't expect to see an anarchist on hltv. But I wouldn't be so sure that anarchocapitalism would never happen, because even if all you said were right, you'd still be using the past to predict the future, which is impossible since circumstances will always be different, and you can't predict human action. As for the NAP (I saw you commenting on it above), it is no longer a principle, Hoppe improved on Rothbard's work, and now non-agression is a conclusion of argumentation ethics. I'd suggest reading the book The Economics and Ethics of Private Property.
2019-02-15 03:23
#176
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I like what you said about the NAP. I agree with that conclusion, though I still don't mind calling it a principle because principles are positive things one holds close and dear to themselves and aren't willing to violate it. In that sense it's a principle but I do see the point you made and I like it. It's an interesting way to look at it. Thanks for the book recommendation.
2019-02-15 03:31
I would say moderate right, but if I see the media introduce someone as alt-right they're usually the type of person I'd agree with on most things so I guess I'm alt-right.
2019-02-14 19:11
#54
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I wouldn't use the propagandist in the media to define my terms. They mislabel people all the time. Actually, they pretty much only mislabel people. If you want to know if you are alt right check out a youtube channel called "Way of the World" I researched the alt-right a bit last year and he seemed to be the best representative of that world view. He's a very calm and reasonable person.
2019-02-14 19:34
Thanks, I'm checking him out. I just watched "why the west is so broken" and he reads a really interesting article from 1994 by some French dude. It's actually a bit crazy how perfectly he predicted what's happening in the world at the moment.
2019-02-14 22:46
#161
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Cool. I don't watch his channel anymore but i probably watched a dozen or more and i found him to represent the alt right better than anyone else i heard. I'm personally not part of any movements or groups but i definitely hear where the alt right is coming from and I'd rather have the future they want than the left wants any day.
2019-02-15 00:21
I'm a bit distracted watching 'Europa - the last battle' now, that's your fault too for another comment you made lol. I think most people on the left are there because of what it promises, without fully realising the implications. I can relate to what motivates them, but I can see the danger in their ideologies.
2019-02-15 00:39
#163
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Switzerland sovereiign 
That's an amazing doc. I watched the whole thing in two days about 2 years ago. I'm not a Nazi in anyway but I'm always willing to learn a new perspective on things and that doc definitely gave me a new perspective on Hitler, the Nazi's, and WW2. I will warn you that part 10 is straight National Socialist Propaganda so please don't think i'm promoting the doc in way of support for everything it says because I definitely do not support authoritarian governments in anyway. My HLTV name is sovereign because I believe individuals are sovereign and the State has no right to violate the rights of any person so long as that person has not violated the rights of anyone.
2019-02-15 01:29
I've only watched the first part, but thanks for the recommendation. I'm well aware that we only see one side of history as it's presented, as the quote goes 'history is written by the victors'. You need not be concerned about me thinking you're a Nazi because you are interested in hearing another perspective, it's an eye-opener for sure. Having said that, with the current climate of outrage culture I can understand the concern! Cheers ;-)
2019-02-15 14:56
#211
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Yes, I hate that I even have to put a disclaimer but as you said the current climate of outrage and false accusations almost forces you. But yes, that doc is amazing and very eye opening. I even cried several times thinking about what the German people went through and what they get accused of today.
2019-02-15 20:03
#25
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United States ph3n0m3n 
MAGA
2019-02-14 19:13
i dont lean i full swing
2019-02-14 19:14
left I guess, though I have no idea what "far left" means?
2019-02-14 19:17
#47
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Communism.
2019-02-14 19:30
ok than Im fine @ left
2019-02-14 19:40
#116
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United States Scvboy1 
Which type? Anarcho-communism, Syndicalist, revolutionary socialist, Aturotarian communism? There are many different kinds.
2019-02-14 20:40
Left = Obama/Clinton. Far left = Bernie Sanders
2019-02-14 20:21
#117
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United States Scvboy1 
Clinton and Obama are borderline right
2019-02-14 20:40
Not even funny
2019-02-14 20:40
#123
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United States Scvboy1 
She's pro war, anti-gay, passed laws that were pro racial profiling, she get money from large coperations and supports tax cuts on them. If she isn't right wing then idk who is.
2019-02-14 20:42
0/8
2019-02-14 20:44
#127
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United States Scvboy1 
Reply needs actual content
2019-02-14 20:46
#128
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Switzerland sovereiign 
The Clinton's, like most high-profile politicians are only what they need to be at the time. The Clinton's in the 90's were the things you say because they couldn't be "progressive" and win elections at that time. Now, through propaganda and spin people have slowly been pushed more and more to the left so the Clinton's are also more left. The left is trying to run to authoritarian socialism as fast as possible while the right is slowly jobbing behind them but are also on the same path. There is no real political party with influence that represents true conservatives anymore.
2019-02-14 20:48
#132
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United States Scvboy1 
I agree with the first part, however I don't buy that they were secret liberal all along. They were and still are right wing, but a right wing Democrat can't win. As for the socialism, that's just stupid. All the left wants is Medicare for all and slightly higher wages, something every other first world nation has. I hate right wing Europeans trying to stop us from getting what they already have.
2019-02-14 20:56
#134
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I'm born and raised in Virginia. I was born 10 minutes from Jamestown the first settlement. You'll see in the next 10-20 years what the left and right are really about.
2019-02-14 21:00
#135
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United States Scvboy1 
I live there lol, nothing is happening outside of things that have already happened in other first world countries.
2019-02-14 21:00
#136
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I'm still in Virginia dude. Never lived anywhere else in my 30+ years other than South Carolina for 2 months in 2007.
2019-02-14 21:02
#172
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I don't know what I thought I read earlier but I know I misread this comment. I apologize for any misunderstanding. I only got 2 hours of sleep last night.
2019-02-15 03:20
#181
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United States Scvboy1 
I understand, I need to wake up at 6:00 AM tonight, so I'll only get like 5HR
2019-02-15 06:02
#34
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
right/centrist best
2019-02-14 19:19
What a surprise teenagers are on the right. Nothing new here.
2019-02-14 19:25
#48
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Actually, according to all studies on demographics it's younger people who tend to be on the left and older people who tend to be on the right. At least in the US it is this way and I assume it's the same in most countries.
2019-02-14 19:31
#59
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France Zangtar 
If I remember correctly Le Pen got the most votes from the -25 y o in the 2017 election
2019-02-14 19:38
#62
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Which side was Le Pen? I don't remember which was which.
2019-02-14 19:40
#97
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France Zangtar 
Far right
2019-02-14 20:18
Far right Pro abortion Pick 1
2019-02-14 20:22
#141
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France Zangtar 
How can someone be so dumb in only 6 words ?
2019-02-14 21:58
#185
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France PowwneD 
Idk, call Guinness WR
2019-02-15 07:58
I'm talking about teenagers. They lack empathy and are on the right. "Screw poor people!" type of attitude.
2019-02-14 21:08
#188
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France PowwneD 
I don't think so, many young people have an ecological and progressive sensitivity and didn't want to make the same mistakes than the older generation by continuing the same capitalist policies that make the world looking at what it look today : - No more wars for 3rd world resources (Africa, South America) - Trying to clean the world from human trashes (plastic in ocean, reduce the admospheric pollution -Make sort that peoples don't need to immigrate (1st point also con) That is stuff like that that make me leftist tho
2019-02-15 08:08
#63
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United States HowToK 
typically younger people are more liberal and older people are more conservative
2019-02-14 19:41
#64
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Yes, if you eliminated the 30+ population in the US we'd be under full fledged communism right now lol
2019-02-14 19:42
I'm talking about teenagers. They lack empathy and are on the right. "Screw poor people!" type of attitude. Young adults are a different story.
2019-02-14 21:09
Empathy is weakness.
2019-02-14 21:19
yea that's what you teenagers think, that's why you lean to right
2019-02-14 22:53
Left, especially in Israel is cancer.
2019-02-15 18:38
#153
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Agreed, if teenagers had empathy, there wouldn’t be a fight every half hour at my school.
2019-02-14 23:31
Oy vey! Flag checks out, You must be happy to know that so many goyim are still loyal to your people, all according to your plan I guess, huh?
2019-02-14 20:32
#148
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World ///fuck 
Wow /pol/ack 0x0 back at it with the anti semitism. Stick to hentai, please.
2019-02-14 23:10
#51
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Panama Cyain10 
Communism best
2019-02-14 19:32
#55
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Europe ApziIsKing 
far-right
2019-02-14 19:34
#57
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I would be labeled as such by the media though I personally don't use this label. The mainstream tries to connect the Nazi's to the far right even though they were socialist and socialism is leftism.
2019-02-14 19:37
#66
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Lithuania afez 
imagine being this retarded lmfaoo
2019-02-14 19:44
#67
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Yes, because socialism is a rightwing POV. Name something the Nazi's stood for that represent the right?
2019-02-14 19:46
#147
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World ///fuck 
Omg national ***SOCIALIST*** german workers party ==== SOCIALIST!!! even though hitler called himself and was a fascist and hated communism + marxism
2019-02-14 23:10
#154
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
-Anti-immigration -Pro-guns (for Germans) -Pro-life (for Germans) -Anti-Trade unions -Pro military -Nationalistic -Promoted tradition gender roles -Anti-gay
2019-02-14 23:34
#165
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Thanks for your response. I was hoping someone would make a case for the Nazi's being on the right. Before you can really understand where I'm coming from you must first know what I mean by left and right because over time these words have changed meaning in the media and mainstream circles and when viewing history from these new definitions it forces you to falsely interpret the past and to misapply terms and labels. The most extreme version of the right is anarchy, and the most extreme version of the left is Stalin like communism with modern day progressive policies. Though, you may find cases where certain social policies Stalin's gov supported to fall more on the right -- those policies must be viewed based on the time in which they were held. Imagine Stalin's gov with modern day extreme progressive ideals like 9th month abortions, SWJ agenda's etc. Since at the extreme right we have anarchy and the extreme left you have communistic authoritarianism, you can't have another version of authoritarianism on the extreme right since you can't get more right than anarchy. You can't place anarchy between Nazism and Communism so it must lie at the extreme of one end or the other. No one denies that anarchy is a far right position. So, my overall point is that the Nazi system was socialist, and therefore leftist, regardless of what a few social policies were. You have had the leftist media for decades now promoting the idea the Nazi's were on the right and people have bought it without really considering the matter for themselves. Another thing that is important to consider in determining whether they were on the right or left is to find out how people viewed the world from each of those perspectives back then. When you do this you will find the left and right were very different back then compared to today. No party in almost any first world white nation promoted abortion back then and gun control was a very recent thing to manifest itself in a serious centralized way, and prior to the 1940's gun control was used on both sides for various reasons in various nations. So, to pick out certain policies and ignore the overall system is flawed logic. There is no case to be made that anyone on the right has ever supported socialism (today things are different especially in socialist nations where people on the "right" can not be elected unless they support the socialist policies of their respective nations, but this also is a new thing and has no historical or philosophical basis -- I do not consider any Statist to be on the right) and historically it was viewed as a leftist position. Let me briefly address the other things you listed to show how they aren't owned historically by the right because some of them hadn't even really been brought up as an issue yet. Pro military: even today most all people on the left and right support their military and you have people from all political backgrounds who join the military. Would anyone who claims to be anti-military ever join it and serve it faithfully? So being pro military doesn't mean being on the right. Obama was pro military and called for many military actions around the world yet no one would accuse obama of being on the right. An irony here is that the one group who you could label as being anti military are anarchist and they are far right. I digress. Nationalistic: this one is interesting since I know you bring it up because of the recent propaganda being promoted by the media in claiming that nationalism is equal to racism and Nazism. But again, as I said earlier you have to consider things in the time they existed and not force a modern definition on to it since no one who lived then viewed things that way. Point being, people on the left and right were and in many cases today still are very nationalistic. Love of country and being jealous of its future and safety is not exclusive to the right. The modern dictionaries recently even changed their definitions to fit the mainstream leftist redefining of the word. To prove my point here is the Original definition of nationalism; devotion to one's country, national spirit or aspirations, desire for national unity, independence, or prosperity. Source: etymonline.com/word/nationalism#etymonli.. This, until recently, was the definition of the word. Now dictionaries have added "to the exclusion of other nations". Which implies a sort of hatred or lack of empathy towards people of other nations and this is newspeak, and does not in any way fit the historical use of the word. I could say more but I'll move on. Promoted traditional gender roles: You keep on forcing modern day leftism on the right of 80 years ago. There were no transgender, gay, etc anything being supported by anyone in any country back then. People weren't even really discussing it because these things were universally excepted by all sides and only recently became issues that divided people into camps. Anti gay: I think the above paragraph covers this as well. There is much more I could type to make my point stronger but this has already grown a bit long.
2019-02-15 03:07
#203
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Other xrist 
alt right spotted
2019-02-15 18:59
#204
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I agree with them on many things but have huge disagreements with them as well. Just because I can argue a position doesn't mean I fully agree with the side I'm arguing for. In order to really learn anything and come to accurate conclusions you have to study and understand all sides; and not just an elementary understanding of each side but a thorough and complete understanding. But I don't participate in the political system at all because I have a replusion to groups and organizations. I'm an extremely individualistic person and wish just to be left alone. I don't say this because I'm selfish but because I'm able to make choices for myself and do not need others managing my life and how I use the money I earn by my own intellect and labor.
2019-02-15 19:13
#205
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Switzerland sovereiign 
BTW, I'm not a nationalist. If I were I would use the US flag but I don't because I hate the US government and consider it one of the most evil organizations to ever exist. I love the ideals which it was found upon and how it mostly functioned for the first 80 years but that system was overthrown and done away with in the 1860's and has never returned. The US went from being a constitutional republic of sovereign States to an empire and I don't support empires.
2019-02-15 19:21
#155
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
+1
2019-02-14 23:35
+1.
2019-02-14 20:23
+1
2019-02-14 22:53
#146
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World ///fuck 
HAHAHAHA
2019-02-14 23:04
#58
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Iceland caverat 
Far left
2019-02-14 19:38
30% right expected from hltv tbh...
2019-02-14 19:46
#119
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United States Scvboy1 
I expected more, I'm pleasantly shocked by only 30%
2019-02-14 20:41
the right ones are the most vocal ones tho
2019-02-14 20:54
#133
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United States Scvboy1 
That's true, they're also very annoying. It's not even like they're just regular conservatives, most are border line white nationalist.
2019-02-14 20:58
People are lying, I doubt it's correct judging by the demographic.
2019-02-14 19:49
#73
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China LewsTherin 
Communist
2019-02-14 19:51
Far-right, authoritarian.
2019-02-14 19:58
#83
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I'm curious, what would your version of authoritarianism look like? Like, what would you eliminate from society?
2019-02-14 20:04
National socialist here xD
2019-02-14 20:04
#91
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Gotcha. I watched "Europa, The Last Battle" so I get where you're coming from.
2019-02-14 20:11
I don't know what you are talking about, i never watched "Europa" or anything like that, just read "Mein Kampf" that's where you will discover the truth.
2019-02-14 20:14
#94
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Switzerland sovereiign 
You would enjoy it. It's a 10 part documentary about the Nazi party and what it represented. It's a pro Nazi doc. And it's very long. Each part is an hour or more. It's probably about 12-14 hours long.
2019-02-14 20:16
I'm more of a original guy, i tend to go back to original source because there is a lot of twisted information agendas going on everywhere.
2019-02-14 20:17
#98
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I'm the same. I've read hundreds of books and most of them are between 100-3500 years old. Obviously, the super old ones are translations. I've probably read less than 20 books less than 100 years old. Going to the source is the only way to really learn.
2019-02-14 20:21
Right obv Look at my flag.
2019-02-14 19:59
And name.
2019-02-14 20:04
#80
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Germany Scrouch123 
right
2019-02-14 20:02
#82
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Japan hirohito 
what axis are you refering to? cuz i would choose far right if economical, but if it's the 'internal affairs' axis, i would've been considered a fascist XD
2019-02-14 20:04
#87
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Switzerland sovereiign 
It's not a perfect poll. Mainly I was coming from an internal policy view. I understand people can have views on boths sides so most of these would probably choose moderate.
2019-02-14 20:05
#88
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Brazil MadBettorGrr 
Gamer forum = a lot of alt-right incels that hate everyone and spend the whole day playing video games kkkkkkkkk
2019-02-14 20:07
True
2019-02-14 23:25
#93
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Russia neroler 
far right- anarcho capitalist B-)
2019-02-14 20:15
#95
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Pure anarchist or mini?
2019-02-14 20:17
guess.
2019-02-14 20:22
#103
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Switzerland sovereiign 
far left based on your name Kappa
2019-02-14 20:22
just left but close enough !
2019-02-14 20:23
#107
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Switzerland sovereiign 
;) name checks out
2019-02-14 20:23
"Left" these days have to be divided into two groups: Socialist Left, and Envorinmentalist Left, where the latter doesn't care about the middle class whatsoever, and often is pro EU and pro immigrants. Whereas Socialist Left worries about the concequences of these stances when it comes to middle/lower class salary, jobs and healthcare affordability in the long run. So when I have to choose between 'left' and 'right', I vote right because I'm against the overreaction of the environmentalist lunatics, but socially I'm left, but only for the safety net for our own people, immigrants can fuck off.
2019-02-14 20:30
#114
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Switzerland sovereiign 
Yea, lists like this are hard to make because it's near impossible to cover all spectrums.
2019-02-14 20:36
Far-Right - Libertarian Nationalist.
2019-02-14 20:28
#124
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United States Scvboy1 
> Libertarian > Nationalist Pick one. Edit - also > Far Right
2019-02-14 20:43
#175
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Switzerland sovereiign 
It depends on how he personally defines it for himself. I think I see where he's coming from even though the label he used might not be best. Sometimes it's hard to encapsulate your beliefs based on common labels. I think what he means is he supports the idea of a national border and a people who share a culture and ideals but as far as how the system within that nation operates he's a libertarian. Modern day libertarians don't really share all the same values old school ones did. I was libertarian in the early 2000's and had to distance myself because many of them did not share my values even though I agreed with them in terms of having the least amount of gov possible.
2019-02-15 03:27
Literally this, I support most of the Right/Far-right ideas, I just can't seem to agree with the way the Far-right handle things as a nation, I disagree with their authoritarian view as I deem necessary for each individuals to possess its own freedom as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's liberty, all men ought to be free. Which is why I agree with most of Hitler's view while being against the way he managed to get his things down, I'm also not really an interventionist either, I'd prefer my nation to stay neutral while minding its own business as it would represent a threat for its economy.
2019-02-15 13:52
#210
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Switzerland sovereiign 
We are of the same opinion. Authoritarianism in all forms is evil. No man has the right to violate the rights of another and it doesn't matter how many men get together and by what name they call themselves they still do not have the right. Interventionism is also an evil for a nation because then the lines get blurred between what justifies when intervention should be used and who decides what side to take etc. There are so many issues with interventionism and therefore should always be avoided by a nation. Let me show you the greatest law ever written by man that is still enforceable today as the supreme law of the State I live -- yet it has never been fully realized or applied. I have even argue this law in courts as I used to fight the system head on and have even had a jury trail where I represented myself. Though the records show I didn't win any of my cases (because the courts are corrupt and run by wicked men) I did experience a positive result as the police in the county I live no longer bother me even though they know I travel without a license, own a business without a license, have never filed taxes etc. Anyway, the law is Section 1 of the Virginia Declaration of Rights. Unanimously adopted June 12, 1776 A DECLARATION OF RIGHTS made by the representatives of the good people of Virginia, assembled in full and free Convention, which rights do pertain to them, and their posterity, as the basis and foundation of government. THAT all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. Really sit and understand what this is saying. This one short paragraph perfectly encapsulates the anarchist position.
2019-02-15 19:56
#111
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Switzerland Tacticalsine 
libertarian, but since thats not an option here, probably right
2019-02-14 20:29
#113
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Switzerland sovereiign 
imo libertarians are far right. But terms and definitions are being misused and applied today to confuse people so now to say far right means Hitler which is completely wrong and easily debunked. But at the same time words, phrases, and terms don't always mean the same to all people. I'm very much libertarian in my world view and consider myself extremely far right. Somehow they have put authoritarianism at the far right where to me it's the exact opposite. Those on the most extreme right are pure anarchist who live by the none aggression principle.
2019-02-14 20:34
Yeah, libertarians are far-right on a economical standpoint as they seek more freedom on the market and a freer economy as well as restraining power from the state. Authoritarian states tend to lean more on the left which doesn't make any sense on modern day standard, while would you link Hitler with the far-right when he was considering himself as a socialist and an anti-capitalist?
2019-02-15 13:48
#209
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Switzerland sovereiign 
People have been brainwashed by the media and education system that has for generations been promoting an agenda that most aren't even aware of. They like to place Hitler on the Far right so those who are really far right get accused of being Nazi's even though they share nothing in common. It's like people on the alt right who just want the nations to have a common culture and share common goals and aspirations and that gets turned into being a Nazi and wanting to gas Jews. The left has no shame in mislabeling people for their own twisted and wicked agenda's. Not saying the mainstream right is any better because they also sold out long ago and are just as corrupt but since their base tends to have a bit more common sense they can't get away with being as loony as the mainstream left.
2019-02-15 19:39
Moderate basically mean who gives a fuck right?
2019-02-14 20:38
#120
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Switzerland sovereiign 
basically you have views that lean on both sides and can't adhere to one side or the other but you also aren't on the extremes or either side.
2019-02-14 20:41
#160
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Fuck it, McMuffins all round.
2019-02-14 23:39
#122
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Libya Eruptor 
Where's such option as "I don't give a flying fuck about politshit"?
2019-02-14 20:41
#173
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Switzerland sovereiign 
That would be the not voting option. The sole purpose of this strawpoll was to see what those who are political believe. I'm not political either and also don't give a crap but I was still curious.
2019-02-15 03:21
#200
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Libya Eruptor 
Well, excluding a certain category of people would actually affect the statistical value of the strawpoll, so the more non-political people there are on HLTV, the less accurate the result will be
2019-02-15 16:30
#208
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Switzerland sovereiign 
That depends on the purpose of the vote. My purpose was to exclude those people and only focus on those with political leanings.
2019-02-15 19:33
#139
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Croatia mds818 
lib
2019-02-14 21:10
#142
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Brazil Seleskva 
lib
2019-02-14 21:59
should be option - I don't fucking care
2019-02-14 23:25
imbecils
2019-02-14 23:28
#156
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United States tremm 
National Socialist
2019-02-14 23:36
burn all "far left"
2019-02-14 23:37
leave HLTV leftists
2019-02-15 02:24
#169
Xizt | 
Germany mrvalski 
You haven't been active recently and cannot post replies repeatedly within five minutes
2019-02-15 03:12
If you're not right, you're not right. Have a less depressing day! -VeryDepressingGuy
2019-02-15 03:16
Wow, I'm very surprised by the results, and happy too. Glad we have more awake individuals than corrupt. Cheers!
2019-02-15 08:02
+1 glad to see so many woke people in here, the Right is always right and the only real political movement that matters, the other leftist are either too brainwashed or deluded. There is no socialist country that were successful all the nation that ever marked history were leaning to the right.
2019-02-15 14:15
obviously if the choice is only between left and right then the only people who are going to answer are braindead idiots who still believe in left and right as being adequate representations of our political landscape and there are more idiots on the right.
2019-02-15 15:00
#207
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I didn't include more options because it would have distracted from the my purpose for making this thread. At the same time, saying you fall within one of those categories doesn't mean you actually agree with a party, group, or organization. For instance; someone who is an anarchist could be labeled as far right and no one would accuse a true anarchist of supporting any party or group because the spirit of anarchy is absolute personal independence and freedom.
2019-02-15 19:32
#187
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Israel unsolid 
HLTV community is mostly right i figured
2019-02-15 08:07
left/right choice is a false dichotomy.
2019-02-15 14:58
#206
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I agree. I'm not part of either or any other. The purpose of this thread was to get a demographic. But yes, politics in general is a giant scam. Democracy is also a scam and an extremely flawed system because it allows ignorant people to participate in things they have zero understanding about. Imagine any other field of science and allowing people who have absolutely no understanding about it to make decisions on it's progress and/or applications. It's insanity to the maximum degree.
2019-02-15 19:27
#195
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Spain jonathanosE2 
leftist cucks
2019-02-15 14:59
where is the "none of this fake bullshit" option, i mean hello its 2019 by now we should all know whats the deal behind politics.
2019-02-15 20:05
#213
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Switzerland sovereiign 
I'm in agreement. This a demographic poll to identify percentages based on those who hold political views. It's not meant for those who see through it all.
2019-02-15 20:21
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