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2-2 Matchups
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Netherlands Removed 
Can someone tell me the 2-2 matchups if Fnatic, NIP and C9 win tommorow?
2019-02-15 22:47
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Denmark dank12 
doens't matter g2 will beat fnatic
2019-02-15 22:48
im not too sure about that
2019-02-15 22:49
No way G2 beat fnatic
2019-02-15 22:51
#12
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Other khorkalba 
As a fnatic fan, I hope so, because I think they need the hardest shock to prompt roster moves. G2 will probably make the changes they need even if they make it a bit further in the tournament, because their owner doesn't settle for mediocrity.
2019-02-15 22:52
#15
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Iceland MorsAlbum 
"to prompt roster moves" ??? "to kick xizt" i think you mean
2019-02-15 22:54
#17
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Other khorkalba 
Xizt isn't the main problem in my opinion. They just need to stop him doing the map vetos. The real problem is that JW and Twist are absolute trash. Even if Brollan was good enough to support Krimz as the second star of the team (which he isn't in my opinion) it still wouldn't be enough. To challenge teams like Astralis, you need a minimum of 3 really good fraggers.
2019-02-15 22:57
#46
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United Kingdom bvipster 
They just signed JW for 3 more years and Twist even tho he is really inconsistent can be the best player on the team so I believe they just need a good Igl to help twist be more consistent and help JW be great again. Also xizt is really washed up so even if he can frag occasionally, fnatic need a proper good IGL. Also I still want fnatic to win the major, they just fucked up some bo1s when they can easily win bo3s and it was xizts shit map vetoes that lost them the games in the first place imo
2019-02-16 00:12
#55
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Other khorkalba 
Smithzz had the occasional map where he was the best player on the team. This is never a good defence for a player being kicked. Consistency is one of the most important qualities you can have in a player, and at Twist's age, i'm not convinced that's something anyone can teach him. It's time to accept that he's never going to be a top 20 player in the world. And the idea that a "good" IGL could get JW back to his best is nonsensical. JW's whole playstyle is like the antithesis of structured/tactical gameplay. He thrives upon ignoring IGLs and making chaotic plays that nobody would expect. A big reason why this no longer works is because the weapons he used to exploit were nerfed. The other reason is that professional players expect aggression a lot more now. And it's not even like JW could ever transition into a more traditional playstyle, because he just doesn't have the mechanical skill to be good at that. Xizt's map vetos are indeed stupid, but let's be realistic here - if your success against teams like ViCi and Winstrike depends so much on your map pick then you really aren't anywhere near good enough to win a major. So you can blame Xizt for not giving Fnatic the optimal chance of success, but ultimately the lineup is just bad and probably doesn't deserve to advance to the next stage of the tournament.
2019-02-16 01:50
#61
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United Kingdom bvipster 
Well you are also arguing that Fnatic have been doing recently when they haven’t. Before the tournament, Fnatic had only lost to teams like c9, liquid and Astralis and the astralis game was increadibly close anyway. This roster is still relatively fresh and twist hasn’t had enough time to integrate into it to say that he is inconsistent, if the igl just learns how to implement twist so he is effective the majority of the time then he could be a force to be reckoned with. Even though the meta and the style of the game is dramatically different to when JW was at his peak, he is still young and is has shown signs that he is able to perform on his old level recently and since he has shown that then there is the possibility for him to come back to his former glory. Finally, the map vetoes were very stupid and also Fnatic right now are a really good anti-strat team but they can’t have this playstyle against basically unknown teams like vici and winstrike who both rely on star players showing up and getting mad plays rather than playing tactically. Additionally, I really believe that if Fnatic played bo3s against either of those teams, they would get fucked because they would be able to learn their play style and counter it and it also allows them to play on a map they are more comfortable on.
2019-02-16 09:37
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Romania moetxxx 
Nonono twist is good Kick jw ffs
2019-02-16 08:48
They dont need to change anything, they just chocked bo1s against prepared underdogs, this literally happen to every team but astralis these days, they showed a lot of good things the last months and it wont change that. The only change they could actually make would be to kick Jw because he actually suck ass most of the Time and lose a lot of round by being stupid
2019-02-15 23:19
#38
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Other khorkalba 
This is a loser's mentality. The only reason they showed some good results recently is because Krimz is back to being a top 5 player in the world. It's the same thing with NiP. They show glimpses of promise, but at the end of the day their lineup simply isn't good enough to challenge for top 3 let alone #1. The frustrating thing is, if you pulled all the best players in Sweden together, you would have a lineup that would beat Astralis pretty consistently.
2019-02-15 23:59
Nöje Swedish CS is just dead get over it, this fnatic lineup is already the closest you can get to a swedish superteam and u want to disband them as Soon as they lose a bo1 ...
2019-02-16 00:11
#56
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Denmark Derige 
You can literally make any lineup you want using any player outside astralis you want. They would still not beat Astralis consistently
2019-02-16 01:56
#57
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Other khorkalba 
I disagree. This Astralis lineup has benefitted a lot from really shitty, unambitious roster moves. The fact that an NA team was their biggest rival for most of 2018 says it all. Put better players around s1mple and NaVi will beat Astralis consistently. Create a Swedish superteam and they will beat Astralis consistently. Give Karrigan a lineup with Valde and K0nfig in it and they will beat Astralis consistently. I don't expect a biased fanboy to admit this, but it's a complete myth that Astralis are unbeatable. They actually failed to win most of the biggest events last year.
2019-02-16 03:15
As far as I remember, they won 11 big events last year, major included. No team won as much big events as astralis did last year before... You are obviously the biased one since this is pure fact
2019-02-16 10:14
#67
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Other khorkalba 
Bless you for considering events an online league final a "big" event just because of HLTV's lazy event catagorization. These were the biggest events last year: ELEAGUE Major - won by Cloud9 IEM Katowice - won by Fnatic ESL One Cologne - won by NaVi FACEIT Major - won by Astralis 1 out of 4 isn't bad I guess, but it's hardly dominant. In football terms, comparing ESL/ECS finals to events like Katowice and Cologne is like comparing the EFL Cup / Community Shield to the Premier League / Champion's League. Some trophies just don't have the same prestige as others, regardless of how many good teams are competing.
2019-02-16 10:56
ok you only proved how deluded and clearly biased you are so i will not waste more my time here. keep sleeping on old teams that werent better nor more successful and sucks nowadays. bye
2019-02-16 11:54
Lag..
2019-02-16 10:14
#64
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Spain Ferbo 
-xizt -brollan -twist +olof +flusha+pronax ez major fnatic
2019-02-16 10:16
#72
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Other khorkalba 
Keep Xizt and make pronax coach instead. Bring in f0rest for JW. ez most dominant team in history.
2019-02-16 12:14
#76
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Spain Ferbo 
I dont wanna be one of these legendary teams out of a major Once these teams were competing for winning a major now for going to a major
2019-02-16 12:55
#70
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Denmark Xipingu 
G2’s owner is stupid anyways. But I do agree that Fnatic getting that shock would make the proper moves required.
2019-02-16 11:59
which "proper moves"? i mean which options do they even have? -xizt +hampus and? i dont think that this one change would make them much better or something
2019-02-16 12:14
#73
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Other khorkalba 
-JW -Twist -Brollan +Olof (becomes main AWP) +f0rest +Flusha + New coach with full control of veto process
2019-02-16 12:15
+Olof (becomes main AWP) first of all he is in faze, secondly olof as main awp nowadays? just no +f0rest not gonna happen +Flusha after what happened? no... your lineup change suggestion is pure utopia. i mean i agree that this lineup(except olof as main awper bcs this is horrible idea) is good but its not gonna happen no matter what
2019-02-16 12:17
#75
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Other khorkalba 
Any skilled rifler can transition into a dedicated AWP role. It's like playing the game in easy mode. Look how well it worked for Device. This is probably the sort of change Olof desperately needs to reinvigorate his career. The f0rest move isn't impossible. He's played for Fnatic before and may actually be drawn to the idea of returning to his old org before retiring. We don't even know the full circumstances behind Flusha's removal from Fnatic other than he became a bit toxic. Given that he and JW are usually a package deal, it seems to me like JW was perhaps the player he clashed with. In any case, this would be a fresh start on a new lineup.
2019-02-16 12:26
Flair checked out you gay
2019-02-15 23:15
winstrike - c9 nip - vici tyloo - fnatic
2019-02-15 22:49
#5
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Netherlands Removed 
Looking pretty bad for NIP and Fnatic ngl
2019-02-15 22:50
#11
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World dammo 
Why? bo3 is where underdog teams fall apart
2019-02-15 22:52
+1, that's basically confirmed
2019-02-15 23:56
#50
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Germany thebestchen 
dont think nip win . if they play like last days its maybe 0-2
2019-02-16 00:57
#4
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Brazil Pipeloko 
but c9 will loose dude...
2019-02-15 22:50
#6
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Netherlands Removed 
To whom?
2019-02-15 22:51
#14
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Brazil Pipeloko 
furia 2-0 dude they lost to vici
2019-02-15 22:53
0/8
2019-02-15 23:21
Vici is underrated tho
2019-02-15 23:48
Woah woah woah there let’s not count them out just yet, the 1am match playing Asian W squad and then another Asian W squad match again
2019-02-15 22:51
they are loose ??😎😎😎👍 i arent think they will lose 😎😎😎
2019-02-15 22:51
#19
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Finland dev2ce 
C9 losing is as likely as MIBR making it to top 14.
2019-02-15 23:11
#43
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Brazil Pipeloko 
soon top 3 and then 1, wait and u will see
2019-02-16 00:05
#49
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Finland dev2ce 
C9 Top 3 then 1? Quite unlikely.
2019-02-16 00:49
#77
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Brazil Pipeloko 
sry i forgot about saying that i was talking about mibr
2019-02-16 15:11
Yeah no nt but your team suck ass go cry on nip's twitter
2019-02-15 23:14
#42
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Brazil Pipeloko 
omg every comment u make looks like a 12 years old kid wtf
2019-02-16 00:04
Lel
2019-02-16 00:08
#10
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
Depends on round difference
2019-02-15 22:51
No it does not. I doubt that the elo takes that into consideration, but even if it does, there are huge gaps between some teams, and nip can't play winstrike while c9 can't ply vici. The matches are set if these teams do win the 1-2 matchups
2019-02-15 23:58
#37
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
It does since faceit major
2019-02-15 23:59
That's even dumber, I'm 100% it didn't matter at all in the bucholz seeding system.
2019-02-16 00:01
#40
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Germany PurpleSlimer 
If they havent played eachother, the team with them highest rd plays with the one with the lowest rd
2019-02-16 00:02
Hope thqt c9 qnd fnc get their shit together fast so that they can eat them
2019-02-15 22:52
#16
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Sweden FyrusCS 
NiP - ViCi C9 - Winstrike Fnatic( or g2) - Tyloo by the Don
2019-02-15 22:54
#18
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Denmark KamaraD 
TYLOO vs fnatic Winstrike Team vs Cloud9 ViCi Gaming vs NiP
2019-02-15 23:10
Pretty sure this would be: TYLOO vs fnatic Winstrike Team vs Cloud9 ViCi Gaming vs NiP But elo always changing so i dont know why we cant have fnatic vs c9/nip for exemple
2019-02-15 23:13
#24
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Denmark KamaraD 
ELO it's ELO but Winner play vs loser
2019-02-15 23:19
Yeah lets just wait for the match ups to Come, im legit more worried for a top team when they play an underdog this qual, nothing make sense there
2019-02-15 23:23
#27
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Denmark KamaraD 
If C9 win only Winstrike can play with them
2019-02-15 23:25
#28
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United States Trump2020KAG 
I’m ready for the legends to play. All this tier2 cs is taking forever.
2019-02-15 23:25
#30
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Brazil bandicoot 
+1 so boring
2019-02-15 23:32
Inb4 the "legends" actually get rekt by these t2 teams, only liquid and astralis are pretty much safe and Can handle everything, rest could very much get rekt and play at this stage next major...
2019-02-15 23:50
astralis i aren't think that
2019-02-15 23:52
I agree with you cuz they almost lost a game against Mibr.
2019-02-16 01:01
furia vs winstrike vega vs tylul g2 vs vici
2019-02-15 23:53
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KSCERATO | 
Brazil L1iMA 
Furia x Vega Winstrike x TYLuL G2 X VICI
2019-02-16 00:04
The only possible opponent for C9 will be Winstrike as they played other already. As fnatic already played ViCi, they only opponent will be TYLOO So remain ViCi NiP As it is the only possible draw to avoid rematch, seed or elo doesn't matter. C9 Winstrike fnatic TYLOO NiP ViCi
2019-02-16 00:12
#48
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Japan tyLOVE 
NiP vs ViCi (or Tyloo) Fnatic vs Tyloo (or ViCi) Cloud9 vs Winstrike - confirmed I don't think a team can play the same time more than once,, and C9 have both played (and lost) to Tyloo and ViCi
2019-02-16 00:13
#53
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Spain elskio 
VG vs fnatic 1st round dude so it couldn't be
2019-02-16 01:04
#68
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Japan tyLOVE 
Yeah, my bad I forgot. Guess this means the lineups are confirmed if the teams win.
2019-02-16 11:20
#54
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Finland Teukkasd 
shox and kennys will carry g2 to win
2019-02-16 01:08
#65
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Japan Cute_Loli 
G2 vs Vici NiP vs TyLoo Cloud9 vs Winstrike
2019-02-16 10:17
#66
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Russia Ducat 
Fnatic vs TyLoo Nip vs ViCi C9 vs Winstrike
2019-02-16 10:20
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