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Brazil centjeefizik 
Buy awp, buy 4 Aug, ez win, cmon valve thoughts?
2019-02-15 22:51
#1
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Brazil centjeefizik 
almost impossible to play against it
2019-02-15 22:51
+100000
2019-02-15 22:51
#3
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Brazil centjeefizik 
only debuff the aug is enough?
2019-02-15 22:53
if winstrike would started train on CT it could be 16-0
2019-02-15 22:53
#7
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Brazil centjeefizik 
exactly bro
2019-02-15 22:54
#13
Aleksib | 
Finland xore1 
same result
2019-02-15 23:02
Ak with skill = wun tap dead aug user. Not others fault if you'r not skilled enough
2019-02-15 22:53
so pros arent skilled lol weapon is broken for ct side
2019-02-16 21:42
Are pro wun taping every opponent when they are using an AK? If not, then they have to improve themselves.
2019-02-16 21:43
#34
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
Autistic or ?
2019-02-16 21:45
Since I'm not asking for a balance because noobs are noobs, I guess I'm not the autistic one. Do you want p90 to be nerfed because silvers are raping other silvers with it?
2019-02-16 21:46
#47
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Brazil baniel120 
You can try to one tap everyone with an ak (impossible) or buy an AUG. Do you really think this is ballanced?
2019-02-16 21:50
#49
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
so you think that holding Popdog from Ivy with aug is ok?
2019-02-16 21:52
Please remind me what these positions mean? No irony here, as french I'm used to french name.
2019-02-16 21:53
#51
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
Popdog is ladder in train, ivy is behind green train
2019-02-16 21:54
Yes it is, there are obvious smoke or flash to deny a CT there. That's my point. Today we see an obvious handicap for T as teams are not used to these new positions for riflers. But with some time, people will adapt they way to take zone to counter these new positions.
2019-02-16 21:56
Statistically on a professional level its measurably too strong. CT sides all got huge win % boosts. Ill let the eventual nerf/price change/rebalance speak for itself.
2019-02-16 23:20
"Statistically on a professional level its measurably too strong TODAY". That's my whole point. There are good chances it is too strong TODAY because we didn't adapted our way of playing just yet.
2019-02-17 00:43
I never said "TODAY". Youre putting words in my mouth. Statistically it is too strong. period. Not today, not tomorrow. learn to read.
2019-02-17 20:26
I might be wrong, but isn't "is" present tense?
2019-02-17 21:05
English is a complex language, "is" implies something being current or persistent in existence or nature. Saying something 'is too strong' does not mean the same thing as saying something 'is too strong today'. The today at the end changes the meaning of the sentence with a conditional word, being 'today', which would mean my statement's context is restricted to today only and its not. I know this kind of nuanced wording exists in French but trying to understand that as a second language might be hard.
2019-02-17 21:37
That's exactly why I added today at your quote. To oppose it to my own advice. It was not to "put words in your mouth" but to make you understand my point easily.
2019-02-17 21:39
You cant put someone's sentence in quotes, and then add words to it. If your argument is that it seems too strong because it hasnt been adapted to thats fine, its a very hard argument to make seeing the current statistics on the gun over the course of the major. We'll see what happens when it gets its price changed and a nerf happens sometime after the major.
2019-02-17 21:42
#38
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Israel ZiinTotH 
ak isn't accurate though
2019-02-16 21:46
It is.
2019-02-16 21:48
#46
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Israel ZiinTotH 
If you're in pit and trying to aim duel an aug player on a, you gonna lose 8/10 times, since it's not accurate at that range, hence me calling it not accurate.
2019-02-16 21:49
What pit are you talking about? D2 one?
2019-02-16 21:50
#53
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Israel ZiinTotH 
Yeah, there are a couple of videos demonstrating the ak in pit trying to aim toward a site/ goose, and the results show how inaccurate it is in that range. m4 is a bit more accurate in comparison, aug and the krieg are accurate and can consistently hs in that range in comparison.
2019-02-16 21:55
My first question would be why a T trying to take A would go in the pit with an AK according to what you said? My second question would be, why not use a krieg to do it as you said yourself it is more effective?
2019-02-16 21:58
#62
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Israel ZiinTotH 
you can play around from pit with movement to be an annoying target and you won't die so easily, with an awp or krieg as you said it will be far more effective though since you are accurate. The problem with the krieg in comparison to ak is that the movement speed is so low, meaning you will constantly use the knife to move faster instead of being with ak more often so you won't get caught with your pants down.
2019-02-16 22:34
You are joining what I have in mind: - before AUG change, AK was an undisputed best overall rifle: stronger, cheaper, etc.. Everyone was trading their weapons for a cheap AK if they got the chance (exeption to AWP if I need to mention). With AUG there is a new contender (and yet, it is not OP as T don't trade AK for it automatically.) . - There are solutions against AUG, the imbalance of it comes from people are not aware of them/not willing to use them yet. That why instead of what I believe is retarded "lul aug too stronk nerf plz" I think we should wait for teams to get used to play against AUG, and then see if the CT/T ratio fit what we want. But for pro team to figure out what to buy or do against AUG new CT positions, it takes time. For other, us, plebs, to copy them, it takes more time. TL:DR : we need to wait before asking for a change.
2019-02-16 22:50
#65
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Israel ZiinTotH 
I kinda agree to what you say, we'll see the situation once the major ends.
2019-02-16 23:00
#69
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
The AUG is too OP No one can Contest it. Its either you get lucky to kill the guy. Or You bait someone to kill the guy. That only happens 2/10 times
2019-02-16 23:26
It is not, otherwise every one would drop his AK to pick a AUG, and most T don't.
2019-02-17 00:32
#75
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Most ts do
2019-02-17 00:34
We didn't watched the same matches in Katowice it seems
2019-02-17 00:38
#78
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Oh katowice. Idk didn't watch much. Different timezones. But mm I see people pic Aug over ak
2019-02-17 00:40
Yeah but if we need to balance the game because of MM, then we should delete AWP.
2019-02-17 00:42
#81
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Don't you think everyone should be able to have fun? I'm not saying don't use the Aug. But it's too op
2019-02-17 00:43
Problem is : according to this logic, we should balance a game for the level of people who are playing it for the first time (because even after 5 min "everyone should be able to have fun" right?). It would disable any skill ceiling of any game. Pretty boring world if you ask me
2019-02-17 00:48
You answered the same thing in another thread already. Yet, your argument is contradicted by pro players keeping their AK as T even when they can pick an AUG instead. even worst, as you talk about 80% kill for the AUG, stats during this major contradict you : CT have are favored but far from having 4/1 k/d ratio as soon as they have AUG
2019-02-17 00:38
#6
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Brazil KickFallen_ffs 
I totally agree I was wathing furia vs spirit and it was like 12- 6 for spirit And brazilian caster said, i would prefer be with 6 on a ct side than 12 as t side what happened? a come back, and furia won 16-14 cause with augs and awps is almost impossible to win on ct, specially in some maps
2019-02-15 22:54
#8
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Brazil centjeefizik 
exactly bro, its need so much a skilled players to can fight against it
2019-02-15 22:55
#9
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India pongaman1 
Liquid fan cursing the AUG Liquid won ibuypower cuz of augs
2019-02-15 22:58
#10
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Brazil centjeefizik 
probably..
2019-02-15 22:59
#11
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Spain Crusher_91 
+1 Aug is destroing the game, hope Valve nerf it or increase the price after the major
2019-02-15 23:00
#12
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Brazil centjeefizik 
i think i prefer the price adjustment
2019-02-15 23:01
#14
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Brazil xpn :) 
Train its already a heavy ct sided, and with the aug its impossible to play in T side
2019-02-15 23:02
#15
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Brazil centjeefizik 
+11111
2019-02-15 23:04
#16
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Brazil centjeefizik 
cu
2019-02-16 00:33
#17
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
+1 when they won't hold sites with m4s they buy augs.
2019-02-16 00:56
#18
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Brazil centjeefizik 
+11
2019-02-16 00:57
#19
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Brazil centjeefizik 
every game
2019-02-16 21:40
#20
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Brazil centjeefizik 
unbelievable
2019-02-16 21:41
#21
Xyp9x | 
China Autumn7 
Some stats here, 21/41 maps during the challenger stage are won by whoever started on the CT here
2019-02-16 21:41
#25
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Brazil centjeefizik 
yes bro, every team who start in ct side win dr map
2019-02-16 21:42
#29
Xyp9x | 
China Autumn7 
every? around 51% of the time
2019-02-16 21:43
#36
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Brazil centjeefizik 
i didnt watched all games in challengers stage, but all that i seen, the team who started in ct side won the game
2019-02-16 21:46
#32
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Europe zero_hoes 
thats almost 50/50
2019-02-16 21:43
It reminds me of old matches in Aztec back in 2002. CTs were always winning the half 11-1 or 10-2.
2019-02-16 21:42
#26
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Brazil centjeefizik 
i didnt had born yet
2019-02-16 21:42
Yeah, that's a long time ago and CS was in its early days. But having this CT bias in 2019 is intolerable.
2019-02-16 22:23
5 scopes every ct round nice
2019-02-16 21:42
#28
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Brazil centjeefizik 
+1
2019-02-16 21:43
#27
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Asia Degeni 
Make AUG $3600 problem solved
2019-02-16 21:43
#31
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Brazil centjeefizik 
i think nerf is better
2019-02-16 21:43
#33
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Europe zero_hoes 
u said in #12 that you preferred price adjustement are you schizophrenic?
2019-02-16 21:44
#37
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Brazil centjeefizik 
yes
2019-02-16 21:46
#40
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Brazil centjeefizik 
after this match , i changed my opinion
2019-02-16 21:46
#45
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Brazil centjeefizik 
if the dude with ak dont kill the aug man with headshot, its 100% chance for the guy with aug kill him
2019-02-16 21:49
#35
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Asia Degeni 
I don't think its OP I think its too cheap, AUG is obviously better than M4 but not enough to nerf.
2019-02-16 21:45
ct+aug=no chance mai frend
2019-02-16 21:46
#42
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Israel wetz 
+1
2019-02-16 21:47
never pick train/nuke in pugs guys
2019-02-16 21:48
+3150
2019-02-16 21:55
#55
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
For pro play it seems like the AUG meta has ruined a lot of the fun of the game, with that being said we're just watching very shit teams play atm, it might be different when we get to astralis, liquid, navi and so on in this major. Also, yeah, I'm not finding a difference personally, but I'm playing matchmaking on a shit region with a low level of opposition, so I'm just guessing that the AUG may need a bit of balancing done, either that or improve the M4, because it's just not worth using an M4 with how superior the AUG is on every aspect...
2019-02-16 21:57
At the end of C9 vs Furia map 2 this tournament has 651 CT regulation rounds and 446 T regulation rounds. Year of the AUG
2019-02-16 21:58
Most important round is knife round rn
2019-02-16 21:59
#59
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Brazil centjeefizik 
i think too
2019-02-16 21:59
#70
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Ukraine s1v9mple 
True, whoever wins that pretty much wins the whole map
2019-02-16 23:28
#71
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Brazil boringDude 
+1
2019-02-16 23:28
Not counting map 3 of C9/Furia occurring right now, here's some stats: 991 rounds have been played so far this major 590 rounds have been won by CT (60%) 401 round shave been won by T (40%) 24 out of 38 maps were CT majority wins (63%) Uneven but not super lopsided
2019-02-16 22:06
+11
2019-02-16 22:35
#66
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Israel ZiinTotH 
make ak more accurate or make aug 3300$ I think
2019-02-16 23:17
#67
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Brazil centjeefizik 
+1 3700$ or 3550$
2019-02-16 23:18
I win vs AUG all of the time. It's not OP. That gun is only that good in the higher levels of play because the players are really good, and honestly in most situations, the M4 would have done the kill just as well.
2019-02-16 23:32
#73
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Brazil centjeefizik 
but aug are destroying the pro scene in my point of view undestand?
2019-02-16 23:56
Just Buy p90 and rush b
2019-02-17 00:41
#83
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Brazil centjeefizik 
jajajaja
2019-02-17 00:45
Why do you plebs keep opening threads like this? It's obvious they are going to nerf it only AFTER the major
2019-02-17 00:46
#87
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Brazil centjeefizik 
indignation
2019-02-17 01:08
#86
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Sad but true
2019-02-17 00:47
#90
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Brazil centjeefizik 
+1
2019-02-17 21:10
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