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Last hope of EU
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Sweden Lagge15 
This major has gone to a position where it seems like RU no longer is the leading region of CS:GO. For this analyzis I count Na'Vi as EU team. So in this major the regions represented are; EU: Astralis BIG ENCE FaZe G2 Hellraisers Na'Vi NiP Vitality AS/OC: AVANGAR Renegades NA: Cloud9 CompLexity Liquid MIBR NRG So lets talk about each team and why i think EU has lost "the power". I will write in alpgabetical order except for Astralis who I will take at the end. AVANGAR: A team which rely on individual performance even though they play very well as a team. Most oponents know their strats and i think Tier 1 teams will be too much for them. They will most likely win at least one game depending on the "draws". BIG: Made some really shady things right before the Major. Smooya is now benched and nex is talong his place. nex has had a wrist issue and shouldn't be as good as he was before Xantares joined the team, especially if you consider him not playing with Xantares and the roles/positions might have changed and i guess they will be good but not consistant. Cloud9: Zellsis have been much better than expected, and when the team work actually does work they can go far. But they still have players that underperform. Unless they go to semi-final I guess RUSH will leave. They didn't play well enough in the challengers stage but the times we saw them play good they were almost unstopable. CompLexity: Does anyone in the world know where this team stand? Last time we saw them was at iBUYPOWER and they mixed great results with subpar results. I don't think they will do much noice in this tournament, but could stand for some upsets. ENCE: They have done more or less what's been expected from them and they really need to step up to get maps from the other teams. If you just count rounds in their BO3's they "lost" 39-40 against winstrike and 21-32 against Renegades. That means they are "too weak" for more experienced oponents. We've seen it before in their past. FaZe: Is there anyone in the world who think NiKo is a good IGL besides NiKo and his employer? Internal struggle, bad results and a stand-in highlight the issues they will have even making an impact on this major. But NiKo, Olof, GuardiaN and Rain all got aim and experience enough to make single maps won. AdreN is not a bad stand-in but he is not in his prime. G2: A team without IGL that more just looks like a group of friends playing together. Sure, the total skill in this team is through the roof but I expect the more tactical tema to pick them down one at a time. Hellraisers: In London they were the light of the tournament. Ange1 is a great IGL and i am surprised they have the same roster since then. How is ISSAA and Woxic not in better teams right now? If they just can focus and stay cpncenrrated throughout the tournament they got no limit. But if they don't have any new improve tactics the oponents will most likely go for the opening kill on ISSAA or Woxic and the round should be won. Liquid: One of thr biggest contenders for the title. Changing the support ive player TACO for the aggressive player Stewie2k looked weird but seems to have worked out great. NAF and Twistzz don't have to carry the team anymore and ElIgE seems to be more than happy to be the support player. Literally nothing bad to say about this team right now (I guess I'll have to eat my words on that later) MIBR: How do you even find a non-contradictary analyze of this team? They were the best team in the world and then they changed some. Rumours about bad coms and bad team spirit is coming regularly. Still they can compete against ALMOST any team in the world. The question is if they can play as a team or need to rely on individual performance. Could be 3-0 or 0-3 in my mind. Na'Vi: Relaxed or unprepared? This team will most likely do their last weeks as a team this tournament. They haven't practiced and they haven't been together for a while. They don't aproach this tournament with any ambition at all and that could either be and blessing or their down fall. Indiidually one of the best teams in the world, add some great support players and one of the best IGLs out there and it still doesn't seem like they will win a single match. Same thing as MIBR - they can go 3-0 or 0-3, and i don't care which. NiP: Seems to have woken up lately but and three of their players seem to be able to contend for the title. Too bad Dennis only perform in a few rounds each game and GTR is proving people why age is restricting people from the pro scene. Pita and Lekr0 really needs to get GTR and Dennis on board if they wanna win anything. NRG: 3-0 in challengers stage without even having to do anything. They did their map picks and they dis their defaults. Each and every one of their players seems to be peak in perfectly for this event. The biggest underdog of the tournament. Renegades: Surprised most people in challengers stage and wow:ed both the audience and the oponents by their tactics. The question is though; Do they have more strats to use for the surprise factor or will the strats book be reas by every IGL in the Legends stage? Vitality: ZywOo and NBK are having the time of their life. RPK is surely showing why he is so highly regarded by NBK with is extreme utility usage. apEX needs to be consistantly good if they wanna do ANYTHING at this stage and where is ALEX? Astralis: Best team out there right now, no troubles within the team, no worries and no changes. How long does that last before thr get thrown of the podium? They are the only team from EU that can win this tournament without any upsets. Each role and player is super clear and still they are rarely read by their oponents. So my analyze is - Astralis is the last hope of EU. Unless EU teams surprise everyone this will be a NA tournament and EU will have to watch the champions stage from the side line. If there is more than one EU team in the semi's i will be really surprised.
2019-02-19 17:59
Omg too long, my eyes hurts
2019-02-19 18:01
#6
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Reunion kolgab 
+1
2019-02-19 18:07
#11
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Sweden Lagge15 
Sorry. Tldr; Astralis is the only EU team that can win without upsets
2019-02-19 18:09
Thank you :)))
2019-02-19 18:10
#56
Svela | 
World Neida 
Yes? and Liquid is the only team outside EU that can win without upsets.... Take away Liquid and Astralis and EU teams is still massive favorites to win this major.
2019-02-19 19:16
#65
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Sweden Lagge15 
Nah, I think NRG is better than all EU teams and MIBR and someone else can do it without upsets. I really dislike MIBR (mostly because of their fans) but I think they can win without upsets, even though it is unlikely. Say they go 3-2 now, then meet HR, BIG, CompLexity, NRG or NiP in quarterfinals, they don't need an upset. In the semi they can get anyone but Astralis and Liquid and they'll be in the finals without upsets.
2019-02-19 19:23
NRG still have weak sides. So your point is debatable.
2019-02-19 19:31
#98
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Sweden Lagge15 
I would love the debate. Of coarse they got flaws and weak sides, all teams does (even Astralis now, Fnatic 2015-16 and SK 2017). But they are still top 5 going into Legends stage - According to me.
2019-02-19 19:40
#120
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Denmark d347hbr1ng3r 
NaVi will ease past mibr if they somehow face each other in final
2019-03-01 12:07
#122
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Sweden Lagge15 
I think so as well. But I don't think MIBR will be in a final
2019-03-01 12:10
#157
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United Kingdom IgglePiggle 
Astralis is the only team that can win without upsets Fixed it for you
2019-03-01 13:46
#159
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Sweden Lagge15 
Right now; yes! But RNG has been strong and if NiP win over Astralis RNG can win "without upsets" and when i wrote this Liquid and NRG could have won without upsets
2019-03-01 13:48
#160
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United Kingdom IgglePiggle 
so by upset you mean just that team causing an upset, not no upsets at all? I didnt read the original post
2019-03-01 13:50
#162
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Sweden Lagge15 
I didn't think that through while writing the OP. But I think i meant the only team making upsets... But I that hink we can count RNG as upset already
2019-03-01 13:54
#21
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Iceland coolest_user 
+1 avangar OCE xaxaaxaxa
2019-02-19 18:12
+1
2019-02-19 18:13
#40
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Norway PeteZz 
Don't learn to read in Ukraina? Hehaehhehehheheheh ;)
2019-02-19 18:46
#2
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Brazil Perpetual_Void 
> MIBR > NA
2019-02-19 18:01
#7
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Sweden Lagge15 
I chose the region in which they play league and qualifiers. Hellraisers and na'vi is EU in the same way
2019-02-19 18:08
#37
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Sweden Bangs 
If NaVi would have to go through minors, the would be in the CIS minor and not eu tho
2019-02-19 18:40
#49
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Sweden Lagge15 
You sure? They play Leagues in EU
2019-02-19 19:11
#60
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Sweden Bangs 
Thats because neither ESL or ECS has a league for the CIS region, NaVi plays in EU leagues by default
2019-02-19 19:18
#66
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Sweden Lagge15 
ok, I wasn't sure how to put Na'vi and HR so I put them in EU because that's where I see them the most.
2019-02-19 19:24
#55
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Turkey tastemycobra 
HR played cis minor
2019-02-19 19:15
#67
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Sweden Lagge15 
really? For London?
2019-02-19 19:24
#68
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Turkey tastemycobra 
Yes
2019-02-19 19:24
#97
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Sweden Lagge15 
Didn't know, but I have admitted my mistake on Na'Vi and HR - but that just strenghtens my point since HR is probably the best non-NA team except for Astralis.
2019-02-19 19:39
#10
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Europe hltv007 
pf Astralis ez don't worry for EU
2019-02-19 18:09
#13
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah. But 2-4 will be NA
2019-02-19 18:09
#16
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Europe hltv007 
its important who is the winner in the end man :/ Astralis ez
2019-02-19 18:10
#70
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Sweden Lagge15 
see #51
2019-02-19 19:25
#34
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France Urzqor 
The only thing people remember is who win. Not the 2nd place.
2019-02-19 18:28
#51
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah but I think this will be the beginning of the end of EU being OP at the game
2019-02-19 19:12
#74
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Europe hltv007 
Chinese are coming :D with the military grade cheats :D
2019-02-19 19:28
#93
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Sweden Lagge15 
I actually think AS CS is improving alarmingly fast. the question is if they will do a shuffle to get one really great team or they will go for 2 or 3 teams that will be good.
2019-02-19 19:38
-xccurate +kaze ez
2019-02-19 19:38
#99
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Sweden Lagge15 
Both Xccurate and KaZe is top 5 players AS, so I don't want one replacing the other. Could Kaze perhaps be secondary AWP:er? I wanna see Freeman and Kaze be in a BnTeT team.
2019-02-19 19:42
#14
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Poland OmgBRS 
navi eu team - lol
2019-02-19 18:09
#18
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Europe hltv007 
he means Europe not European Union
2019-02-19 18:10
#19
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Poland OmgBRS 
still its not europe but CIS
2019-02-19 18:11
#20
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Europe hltv007 
:/ Do you know geography?
2019-02-19 18:12
#23
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United Kingdom BionicRick 
He's right. Regions in CS are split into Europe / CIS / Asia / NA.
2019-02-19 18:14
#25
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Europe hltv007 
ah i thought he meant geography OMEGALUL
2019-02-19 18:14
#28
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Poland OmgBRS 
so why you didnt saw any ruski , ukrainski team in europe closed qualifer ??? hltv brains
2019-02-19 18:19
#31
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United Kingdom BionicRick 
I think you replied to the wrong person.
2019-02-19 18:24
#32
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Poland OmgBRS 
yep
2019-02-19 18:25
#41
apEX | 
France Axpie 
hltv brains
2019-02-19 18:48
#71
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Sweden Lagge15 
And still people got mad at me putting MIBR as NA :)
2019-02-19 19:25
#77
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United Kingdom BionicRick 
I mean, that's a weird one. SA is an entirely different continent, but their qualifiers are combined with NA, due to lack of talent from those regions, I guess.
2019-02-19 19:29
#92
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Sweden Lagge15 
Don't MIBR still live in NA? I know the Geographical and cultural differences, but in CS isn't MIBR accounted as NA?
2019-02-19 19:36
#94
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United Kingdom BionicRick 
They probably do, not sure about teams like Furia though, since they also went through the NA qualifier.
2019-02-19 19:38
#24
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Poland misioneos 
are you retarded? xD
2019-02-19 18:14
#27
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Poland OmgBRS 
so why you retards didnt saw any ruski , ukrainski team in europe closed qualifer ?
2019-02-19 18:19
#29
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Poland OmgBRS 
2019-02-19 18:20
#30
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Poland OmgBRS 
2019-02-19 18:21
#36
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Poland misioneos 
but in this topic we are talking about continent, not CS region
2019-02-19 18:39
#38
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Poland OmgBRS 
This major has gone to a position where it seems like RU no longer is the leading region of CS:GO. For this analyzis I count Na'Vi as EU team. ale z ciebie cymbał
2019-02-19 18:41
#39
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Poland misioneos 
dla mnie ukraina i rosja to wciąż europa, zresztą sam przed chwilą napisałeś "navi eu team - lol" i "still its not europe but CIS"
2019-02-19 18:44
#42
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Poland OmgBRS 
japierdole ty masz problemy z czytaniem ze zrozumieniem haha albo nie czaisz po angielsku
2019-02-19 18:48
#44
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Poland misioneos 
"For this analyzis I count Na'Vi as EU team" "navi eu team - lol" xD najpierw piszesz jedno potem drugie
2019-02-19 18:54
#46
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Poland OmgBRS 
debil jestes i tyle
2019-02-19 18:56
#47
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Poland misioneos 
xD
2019-02-19 18:59
#73
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Sweden Lagge15 
AS the one who wrote the post I actually meant region but did wrong on Na'Vi and HR because they play leagues in EU but qualifiers in CIS.
2019-02-19 19:27
#52
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Sweden Lagge15 
They play EU league
2019-02-19 19:12
#17
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
Astralis don`t have bug with smoke
2019-02-19 18:10
They will still rekt everyone
2019-02-19 18:25
#101
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
no Liquid
2019-02-19 19:55
#53
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Sweden Lagge15 
I was about to put that in there but I decided not to since that to pic is done to death
2019-02-19 19:13
#35
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
to the nex thing ... he wouldnt play if he wouldnt can ... he already played deathmatches 3 weeks before the change came (i know not the same but he played at least) and he was on the server at EVERY single trainings session while he was on the bench so its not that much of a deal especially because he played with them for so long before
2019-02-19 18:30
#54
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah i know. His whole wrist issue just seems shady to me.
2019-02-19 19:13
#57
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
dunno... he had pain for a long time before he said it doesnt work anymore ... then they went to every doctor in berlin and a bit before the surgery should happen a doctor said its not needed it just needs to be spared
2019-02-19 19:16
#76
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Sweden Lagge15 
with "the nex thing" I mean the Xantares vs Smooya vs nex which just seems so weird to me. They bring out nex to bring in Xantares (who doesn't speak english nor german), they bench smooya to bring nex back, they don't have any coach even though they have some of CS best coaching staff because of this roster changes.
2019-02-19 19:29
#91
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
maybe there was something before in the mood with smooya so they decided to go safe ... following to the interviews made by gob and smooya it wasnt 100% safe that smoo leaves and he decided it finally after the final roster lock what was maybe expected as i mentioned ... and lets be honest you rather play with nex than with kakafu but we cant be sure anyways what is going on inside of any organization
2019-02-19 19:36
Why Ukraine is CIS in CS, but not irl? Can someone explain me? And why does Australia take part in Eurovision?
2019-02-19 18:49
#59
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Sweden Lagge15 
The Ukraine thing is interesting, I don't really care if they are CIS or EU in CS Australia is in ESC just because they bring viewers and love the competition. Israel has won more than once as well.
2019-02-19 19:18
I want to comment on the NiP thing, the whole misconception that GeT_RiGhT isn't putting good numbers on the board and the like, almost all of his kills have been incredibly impactful and he's putting on good plays. REZ and f0rest are meant to be the star players, not GTR, and considering their positions he's doing pretty well compared to how bad it could be. I'd say the real challenge lies in ensuring REZ performs, they lost their matches hard because of REZ's lack of performance in the last stage. gtfo outta here with that GeT_RiGhT is the problem shit, that's like saying if Astralis were to lose a match Xyp9x is the problem.
2019-02-19 18:56
#61
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah I know. The GTR thing is simplistic but the post became too long to do more about NiP. I could probably write this whole post length on each and every team, this is the "short" version GTR isn't bad, but he isn't good enough for NiP to go far in this major. sad but true.
2019-02-19 19:19
I have to disagree entirely, GTR is playing his role great and exactly as intended, he's getting the impcatful kills and the ones that matter. I'd say dennis and even Lekr0 need to spice up on their roles for NiP to really succeed. Lekr0 struggles every other game and that's not okay, he's the lowest rated player for NiP at this event and IGL or not he plays an important role. dennis is expalantory, he's been this way for months and GeT_RiGhT was in a similar boat until recently, they're doing a bad job fufilling their roles or having a good game where they can make up for it. He needs to start fragging better.
2019-02-19 20:50
#105
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Sweden Lagge15 
Good points. The problem i have with GTR (in todays NiP) is that each player can do any role but he is kinda stuck on his lurking. It is an important role but the other players can do it more or less as well. And as i said about Dennis; he can have rounds but not maps or matches where he plays well. Lekr0 is lower ratad because he started off really poor ly but has grown over the tournament and will be better for each game.
2019-02-19 21:02
I think GTR, while primarily playing the lurking role, also acts in a supportive role within the team. Others may be able to play the role, but no one on the team can play it as effectively as GTR nor provide the amount of impact he does in his role. dennis can have his rounds or matches where he plays well, but so does any other player even when they are playing badly. He needs to be more consistent. Lekr0 I can agree with you on, he had a poor start and he is looking good at the moment, however I cannot agree that he will keep that momentum, he has a notorious problem of going bad, then great, then bad, in a cycle during these tournaments.
2019-02-19 21:18
#107
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Sweden Lagge15 
I would say F0rest would do it better, and if people know GTR is lurking they can easily predict NiP strats as soon as they see GTR. Dennis is a beast in some rounds (often Eco or pistol) but can be non-existing throughout a map/match. Lekr0 is more consistant now than he was a few years ago. And as i said in another comment (#61) i could write a post just this big analyzis their team
2019-02-19 21:59
+1
2019-02-19 19:20
#48
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Portugal gazav 
CIS: Hellraisers Na'Vi AVANGAR
2019-02-19 19:00
#62
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Sweden Lagge15 
Na'Vi and HR play in EU leagues so that's why I put them there. But sure, they can be either EU or CiS. If HR is CIS then my point is even more serious: EU scene is at its worst point ever.
2019-02-19 19:20
Next time when you try to be smart write something else much short and not bullshits
2019-02-19 19:18
#64
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Sweden Lagge15 
This is just my analyze, what do you think is BS in it? I would love to discuss it
2019-02-19 19:21
Since you are a fnatic fan i will let it, respect
2019-02-19 19:36
#100
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah, I've been inconsolable ever since 5 mins into ViCi game.
2019-02-19 19:44
how can you take the time out of your day to write all that?
2019-02-19 19:26
#88
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Sweden Lagge15 
It only took like 5-10 minutes while I was waiting for some friends to join me in MM
2019-02-19 19:35
#78
gla1ve | 
Tunisia @BOLT 
stopped reading at so lets talk about each team
2019-02-19 19:29
#86
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Sweden Lagge15 
TLDR; Astralis is the only EU team that got a chance without upsets.
2019-02-19 19:35
#79
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Finland Faust_fSt 
stopped reading at "For this analyzis I count Na'Vi as EU team"
2019-02-19 19:30
#85
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Sweden Lagge15 
It was a mistake, HR and Na'Vi should be accounted as CIS teams but I mainly know them from EU league so I counted them as EU
2019-02-19 19:34
#81
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United States Special3d 
nice read +1
2019-02-19 19:32
#84
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Sweden Lagge15 
thanks
2019-02-19 19:34
#82
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Israel Aaron_btc 
read everywthing and so much to disagree with i dont see any na team doing ANYTHING in major apart from NRG C9,MIBR is such a shitshow
2019-02-19 19:32
#83
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Sweden Lagge15 
NRG, Liquid, MIBR looks better than any EU team (except for Astralis) - and the EU teams that came through challangers stage looks worse than Renegades and AVANGAR.
2019-02-19 19:33
#108
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France Urzqor 
Ouch
2019-03-01 08:35
#111
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Sweden Lagge15 
Quite a big choke on those teams
2019-03-01 10:32
#87
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Germany Merkelistan 
"RU no longer is the leading region of CS:GO" ??? It has never been
2019-02-19 19:35
#90
allu | 
Russia ReylexOW 
Applause. Reasonble opinion. I like it though can't agree with everything
2019-02-19 19:36
#109
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France Urzqor 
I guess you were wrong
2019-03-01 08:38
#110
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Switzerland crustclot 
tl;dr: i put way too much work into this post and no one will read it completely
2019-03-01 08:38
Yeah, turns out no NA team is gonna be in the semis, unless you count the brazilians as an NA team, and they are yet to progress, which is not gonna be easy. Europe however, has Ence, Astralis/Nip, and Navi, which maybe is a cis team, but they are sill in fucking Europe. So yeah, I guess there are 3 last hopes for Europe, as only mibr/renegades isn't from Europe in the last 4.
2019-03-01 11:03
#113
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah. They have been choking all of them. I count MIBR as NA team and even if they will be in the semi's they have been bad so far. Before the quarterfinals I thought only 3 teams had been good in the major. It is now down to two teams and they might meet in the semi's. This Major won't go to the history as anything special unless it will be "everyone can beat anyone". Unless RNG or Astralis win the whole thing i say it is an undeserved winner... Unless MIBR or Na'Vi step up
2019-03-01 11:42
Navi is already in top 4, beating faze comfortably, i think they already stepped up, but why would it be undeserved the win for ence or nip, if they beat everyone? I mean that's the point of a tournament, the team that beats everyone else is the victor, than how can it be undeserved? Cs is not like football, where teams like real madrid can buy refs. Winning is based on merit.
2019-03-01 11:52
#116
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Sweden Lagge15 
So ence didn't have 0-2? NiP have gone back and forth between good and bad. I don't feel it is deserved since i feel it is the least bad team that will win, tänkt the best team. Too many teams came into this tournament underprepared and we haven't seen much good CS so far.
2019-03-01 12:02
Yeah so what, they just beat liquid 2-0, and if they win the semis and the finals, you can't say it's undeserved. Same goes for nip, if they win the next 3 bo3s, how could u say it's not deserved? Or only top3 teams deserve to win, only if they have a perfect run up until the very end? How boring would that be? I don't know about you, but I've seen a lot of good cs so far. Just yesterday, when Ence destroyed liquid, they played pretty good cs, I'd say.
2019-03-01 12:16
#133
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Sweden Lagge15 
I didn't say only top 3 teams deserved to win. ENCE yesterday didn't win because they played good. They won because Liquid choked hard. They had 6 map points and great ecomomy and fucked it up. Overpass is a map where Liquid is solid on and ENCE is decent on. So If Liquid didn't choke it would most likely have been 2-1 to Liquid. And for MIBR, Na'Vi, ENCE, NiP; I say they can't deserved the win because ethey have been playing extreme ly poor CS through most of this tournament. The only reason they are in QF is because the other teams were even worse. In London (even though the event was bad) the teams in QF deserved to be there because it was great CS being played all the way. It was good strats, great team play and individual performances out of this world. In NiP only F0rest have been OK/good all maps, Rez and Lekr0 seem to have woken up. In MIBR they haven't really had to work for it and still barely managed to get to QF. Na'Vi has been shit through most maps but won just because Electronic and Flamie have been doing great performances, but where is the solid strats and team work? ENCE nearly dropped the ball against an underperforming choking Liquid after continuously losing after two opening kills. The only reason they didn't lose was because Liquid thought they already won when it was 15-9 and mentally prepared themselves for Overpass. Also; ENCE was a few rounds from going 0-3 and then they only won because BIG hasn't practiced enough together and Gob B more or less have to do the calls in two languages.
2019-03-01 12:30
Stopped reading after "ENCE yesterday didn't win because they played good." No I'm lying, I did read, but it's hard to read any sense into your words after that. All I see is a lot of ifs and buts, but the fact is, Ence was much better yesterday than liquid and won 2-0, and if ence is gonna beat navi and their opponent in the final(which prolly isn't gonna happen), it will be totally deserved. If nip wins all of their remaining bo3-s, their win will be deserved, despite the fact that they have not been the best team so far. Who cares, if they win, they're the best of the tournament. Period. You look back at all the other previous events, you could always find ifs and buts, that still doesn't change the fact, the teams that won, prolly deserved to win, even if they weren't the best team overall per se, but they were at that specific tournament cause they won it. Get it?
2019-03-01 12:49
#138
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Sweden Lagge15 
Ence can play in a final without even having played well! That's my problem. Same with Na'Vi. NiP will most likely have to play well to get to the final so i might retract my statement if they go to the final.
2019-03-01 12:57
Ence played well against Liquid. Navi played well against Faze. Agree to disagree I guess, we might have a different view on the game and what counts as "good cs".
2019-03-01 12:58
#150
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Sweden Lagge15 
I disagree. I think Na'Vi won because FaZe is just shit as a team. Same with Na'Vi but they just play for fun and don't care which is better than trying to be good but without any strats.
2019-03-01 13:36
#147
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France Urzqor 
Exactly. It's the same as the guys who say that when envy they won their 2 major titles. For many it was undeserved cause every other team was bad. But that's not how it works.
2019-03-01 13:34
#152
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Sweden Lagge15 
I didn't watch CS back then so I don't know. But wasn't the top 5 back then all good teams and not like now where NRG, Na'Vi and FaZe are among the best teams?
2019-03-01 13:37
Just like any other sport, cs is progressing. Today's navi is better than 3-4 years ago. I'd even say that today's relatively weak nip would beat the legendary nip, that is how much the game has evolved over the years, we just like to compare results instead of the actual playing level. Teams make fewer mistakes nowadays than a couple years ago. Btw, nrg top5?:D Come on son.
2019-03-01 14:39
#166
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Sweden Lagge15 
I agree to some part. The players are better, the strats are better, the teams and individual are more professional. But I don't think Na'Vi is better than they were in London. You can still see the team dynamic and "sporit" being quite bad which is making their strats worse than they should be and a lot of errors made both as a team and as individuals Flamie and Electronic are the reason they get results. NiP has played well in some games and horrible in other. I think too many teams and players have made mistake this major and i believe it is because it is too close to the player break. NRG was ranked 4th less than 2 weeks ago.
2019-03-01 14:43
I don't even know when exactly London was, I'm talking on a scale of years, not months. NRG maybe ranked in top5 at the moment, that's only because the season haven't properly started yet. But here is the major, u can clearly see they are not top5 team. Btw, I think the worlds best player has something to do with his team being in the semis, not only electronic and flamie.
2019-03-01 14:46
#177
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Sweden Lagge15 
Mpst teams that are top now are better than they were 2 years ago, maybe even 1 year. All teams and players evolve and usually for tge better. Regarding S1mple. So that's why he os playing so well? :p and check my firdt analyzis of Na'Vi and you can see that i was quite correct about them.
2019-03-01 14:50
R u saying simple is not playing well? Just checked his stats, he has an overall rating of 1.278 this event. I'd say that's pretty good.
2019-03-01 15:29
#186
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Sweden Lagge15 
He has been shit on most maps and the ones he's been good at was non-essential.
2019-03-01 15:41
"Shit on most maps", "Non-essential", i'm starting to wonder if maybe we speak a different english, like words have different meanings....1.278, he was actually the highest rated within his team against avangard and liquid, second highest against vitality and g2. That's 4 out of 5 games, where he was the best, or the 2nd. Do u know what "shit" and "non-essential" means? If I'd check, which I won't cause i'm lazy and hltv will do that for us, he's prolly one of the highest rated players the whole event.
2019-03-01 18:03
#211
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Sweden Lagge15 
Sorry for the delayed answer. I was at work and my phone couldn't display your text properly. So get map by map: G2 Inferno 2nd best 1.59 Vitality Mirage 2nd best 1.30 Liquid Mirage 2nd best 1.15 Liquid Dust2 best 1.24 (increadibly play) AVANGAR Dust2 3rd best 1.36 AVANGAR Train best 1.36 FaZe Inferno 5th best (worst) 0.86 FaZe Mirage 5th best (worst) 1.11 That would mean he have an averarage of 1.25 against quite bad oponents on maps they have won. And take Vitality where he got outsmarted and outduelled by ZyWoo quite often and Flamie more or less carried the whole team. his avg rating is the same as Flamie and Electronic but they had their worst maps when the rest of the team was good and good when the team needed them, S1mple only had one map where he carried. He also was the worst player on the team when they finally met a "good" oposition, while the others stepped up he dropped down. His top rating (1.59) was only the third highest score and neither Flamie nor Electronic had a lower "low" than S1mple (86). They more or less build their entire play around him and still he can't be better than "bot Flamie" (as many Na'Vi fans called him before the Major) and his 2nd string Electronic. So, out of 8 maps he was best on 2 (against Liquid and AVANGAR) and worst on 2 (both FaZe). If it was just any other player this would be fine, but he is the #1 player in the world and the other 4 players adjust after him.
2019-03-01 22:37
Just becaue he's not playing out of his mind every game, doesn't mean he's not playing well, but u hltv kids like to bash on everyone who's not consistently word class. Only bad game he had was against faze, had under 1.00 rating on a single map. Who cares how electronic or flamie plays, that doesn't change the perception of simples performance, not a bit. Didn't say flamies a bot, didn't say simple is their best in the team right now. I said u can't say he's not playing well, just because he's not carrying his team every game. And those "bad opponents" are all top pro teams, that play at a major. MAJOR, not tier 3 lan event. With 1.25 rating, u don't get to criticize and say he's not playing well. I wonder how many players have 1.25 rating at the event. Anyone under that is obviously not playing well.
2019-03-02 19:12
Btw, if MIBR, Na'Vi, ENCE, NiP played "extremely poor cs" so far, and all the NA teams choked, is Astralis and Renegades the only team deserving to win, based on your logic?
2019-03-01 12:53
#142
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yes. Those are the two teams that so far look good enough to deserve the win
2019-03-01 13:24
"deserves"... i hate this word in competetive sports. If you win, its deserved..it´s as easy as that.
2019-03-01 13:44
#158
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Sweden Lagge15 
Not really. It happen in all sports that both teams have off days ans just go through because they weren't as bad as the other team. And then we can talk about the draw which means Astralis have had it Easy until Semi's
2019-03-01 13:47
that might be true, but it doesnt matter. Having off days or an easier/harder draw is part of the game..it´s still "deserved" if you win, no matter what. "undeserved" only applies to winning due to cheating/bug exploitation
2019-03-01 13:53
#163
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Sweden Lagge15 
I disagree but I think it is about semantics over the word deserve
2019-03-01 14:17
Any team is good enough, if it wins fair and square. I'm not sure if it's the proper word, but you seem to me a little bit elitist, like you say only a well enough performing top team truly deserves a trophy, and that's just not true.
2019-03-01 14:43
#171
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Sweden Lagge15 
They don't have to be top team they just need to be playing well. RNG isn't a top team but they play well. And yes. I am an elitist in many ways.
2019-03-01 14:45
NA mibr???
2019-03-01 12:00
#117
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Sweden Lagge15 
They live in US (or at least used to) and they compete in the NA scene
2019-03-01 12:05
They are SA not NA
2019-03-01 12:05
#119
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Sweden Lagge15 
So they meet Furia and not C9 in their regular league play?
2019-03-01 12:06
They are still not NA if they play NA league?
2019-03-01 12:08
#123
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Sweden Lagge15 
How are they SA as a CS region? Do they play in SA Leagues? I used the common CS regions not the geographical.
2019-03-01 12:12
Like for the actual content although I disagree on some points. Good job! Thank you!
2019-03-01 12:13
#129
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Sweden Lagge15 
It is also a big swing-and-a-miss All teams except Astralis have been bad, Na'Vi is better because Flamie is in God-mode, but other than that the NA teams have Choked, the EU teams have more or less been as expected but more uneven (both better and worse than i expected) and the CIS did more or less as i thought but didn't get the deserved upsets they needed. This tournament has just been RNG being good, Astralis being comfortable and the rest being below average.
2019-03-01 12:19
EU TOP 1 EZ4ENCE
2019-03-01 12:13
#130
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Sweden Lagge15 
If it is EZ4ENCE then why did they have 0-2?
2019-03-01 12:19
Because GOD ALLU has been hiding thier strats during group stage
2019-03-01 12:20
#134
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Sweden Lagge15 
Lol
2019-03-01 12:32
#135
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Finland no_man 
To have 2-0 vs shitquid
2019-03-01 12:36
because aleksis masterpan, giving enemy illusion of ence being bad and then we pull the carpet under their feet. little bit like in liquid game u know EZ4ENCE
2019-03-01 14:53
#185
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Sweden Lagge15 
You meant it was tactical to go to OT?
2019-03-01 15:41
yes, siima has been given
2019-03-01 15:48
#199
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Sweden Lagge15 
Finish Sisu
2019-03-01 17:20
This aged well
2019-03-01 12:13
#131
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Sweden Lagge15 
Not really 😢
2019-03-01 12:19
#127
flusha | 
Greece Lun9 
Tl;dr
2019-03-01 12:14
#140
fox | 
Portugal GoDtK 
LUL, send me one NA team that made playoffs xD ez4Ence Na'Vi Astralis/NIP = at least 3 EU teams in semis. Renegades = Oceania ; MIBR = South America NA = 0 teams in semis, only one on quarters and he says "will be NA tournment" xDDDD
2019-03-01 12:59
#144
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France Urzqor 
It was a post from before the tourney
2019-03-01 13:28
#149
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Sweden Lagge15 
Thanks
2019-03-01 13:35
#146
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Sweden Lagge15 
MIBR is NA not SA. Furia was the only SA team in this Major. MIBR play in NA servers against NA oponents
2019-03-01 13:33
Don't bet son
2019-03-01 13:00
#148
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Sweden Lagge15 
Only bet i have this major was whether or not MIBR would win or not, with another guy here on HLTV. If they would go 0-3 i would get his whole inventory and if they win the whole thing he get my whole inventory.
2019-03-01 13:34
#143
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Korea XigNw0w 
Na'vi best CIS team
2019-03-01 13:27
#145
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Finland Taynz 
Haha
2019-03-01 13:32
NICE 200IQ
2019-03-01 13:37
1 EU team already confirmed in the final (Cause cmon, CIS is part of EU, it's just silly to be otherwise)
2019-03-01 13:38
#155
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Sweden Lagge15 
This was written the 19th and i did account Na'Vi as EU then. So yeah. Looks like 2 EU teams in the final
2019-03-01 13:45
#156
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Japan Cute_Loli 
EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE-------EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE-------EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE EZ4ENCE---------------------------------------------EZ4ENCE EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE--------------------------EZ4ENCE EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE-------------------EZ4ENCE EZ4ENCE---------------------------EZ4ENCE EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE-------EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE—----EZ4ENCEEZ4ENCEEZ4ENCE
2019-03-01 13:46
#165
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France Creez_sp 
Nice analizis
2019-03-01 14:42
#168
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Sweden Lagge15 
Lol. It was. But now I just look like an ass who dunno anything since no NA teams played well and the only team playing well (except for Astralis) has been RNG
2019-03-01 14:44
#182
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France Creez_sp 
Always difficult to know what team will perform after a long period of no matches for the majority of these teams ^^
2019-03-01 15:36
#187
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah. And Berlin will be more or less the same
2019-03-01 15:42
#169
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
> AS/OC: (australis/oceania) > AVANGAR Sick geography knowledge from swedistan
2019-03-01 14:44
#173
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Sweden Lagge15 
AS is Asia. I chose not to seperated CIS from AS
2019-03-01 14:46
#175
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
Renegades/australia is not part of asia. Australia is separate continent and belong to pacific/oceania region. AVANGAR is CIS/kazakhstan and afaik - west part of kz counts as europe.
2019-03-01 14:47
#179
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Sweden Lagge15 
As is Asia and OC is Oceania. How is this a problem? I could have called them NA as well but chose not to because they reside in Aus
2019-03-01 14:52
#191
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Myanmar xdcc 
Purely on majors KZ = CIS but for other events they play in European qualifiers (if CIS ones don't exist). They have nothing to do with Asia region in CS.
2019-03-01 15:47
#195
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
Renegades is australia, australia is not asia. How is this a problem?
2019-03-01 15:51
#200
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Sweden Lagge15 
I never said either Renegades nor Australia is in Asia.
2019-03-01 17:22
#170
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
the whole text is wasted. One simple question what teams you would expect when you dont have the legend status and no regional qualifier? This is the assumption do you have to make before you write a text about the strength of regions.
2019-03-01 14:45
#174
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Sweden Lagge15 
Not sure what you're getting at. Can you elaborate the question?
2019-03-01 14:47
#176
Happy | 
Germany NatsuS 
The tournament is rigged in some case by Valve. We would have a lot more EU teams on the major without region qualifiers. So we had more teams who are the last hope of EU.
2019-03-01 14:50
#184
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Sweden Lagge15 
I have a solution for that but can't find it now. But use Coefficient for the qualifiers.
2019-03-01 15:40
#201
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Sweden Lagge15 
I will make a thread about it after this major.
2019-03-01 17:22
astralis
2019-03-01 14:50
#183
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic JeSuS_ 
> Liquid >Major contender Pick one
2019-03-01 15:39
#188
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Sweden Lagge15 
Before this major they were a contender.
2019-03-01 15:43
Only by kids LUL.
2019-03-01 15:50
#196
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Sweden Lagge15 
And almost all renowned analysts
2019-03-01 17:15
#194
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic JeSuS_ 
they were not, you guys are overrating so fking hard, same at Faceit Major.
2019-03-01 15:50
#197
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Sweden Lagge15 
They had a bigger chance this time than in London
2019-03-01 17:16
EZ4ENCE
2019-03-01 15:45
#190
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
ENCE: They have done more or less what's been expected from them and they really need to step up to get maps from the other teams. If you just count rounds in their BO3's they "lost" 39-40 against winstrike and 21-32 against Renegades. That means they are "too weak" for more experienced oponents. We've seen it before in their past.
2019-03-01 15:45
#198
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Sweden Lagge15 
They were close to lose yesterday as well. They didn't win by being good. They won because the other team choked and lost focus.
2019-03-01 17:20
#203
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
but still beating top 2 team is really good achivement
2019-03-01 18:17
#204
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Sweden Lagge15 
Because the "top 2 team" choked hard and collectively collapsed
2019-03-01 18:56
#212
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
every team chokes but still if you think that ence is in semi - final of the fucking major and have some chances to beat navi is really impressive
2019-03-02 11:48
#213
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Sweden Lagge15 
It shows a lot of character to do what they've done. Close to getting 0-3 but turning it around with a nice comeback. Same in the QF where they had an amazing comeback on 2nd map. If those comebacks wouldn't happen they wouldn't be here. So there's a lot of mental strength within the team. But I still feel,not just for ENCE but in general for IEM Katowice 2019, that the accomplishment isn't as big as if it was in another tournament. The game play (overall) have been really bad and I would appreciate ENCE more If both they and their oponents played better. It just feels like most (all?)teams are below their own average/standard. I got a problem formulating this well, but I hope you still understand what I am getting at; Just as I feel Liquid lost more than ENCE won, I believe the semifinal will be either Na'Vi losing or winning. ENCE won't really win nor lose the game. It is up to Na'Vi. All three of Electronic, S1mple and Flamie need to be in the game for them to win while ENCE just have to continues what they'really doing. Perhaps I just haven't watched enough ENCE matches to appreciate what they do.
2019-03-02 14:33
#218
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Sweden Lagge15 
I just checked some more statistics; if ENCE doesn't win pistol it takes them a long time to get their first round. Perhaps they are bad with Economic team play? If they improve that and get firdt round in first or 2nd gun round (instead of 4th or 5th) they will be a lot harder to beat. They usually get many consecutive rounds after their first one, so if they get pistol they usually get 5-7 rounds before dropping the ball, and if they lose pistol they should accept gett 0-3 before going strong. When they got strong ecomomy (guessing Allu on AWP) they are increadibly hard to break. Check the score lines/rounds by round against BIG, Hellraisers, Liquid... more or less the same deal. I don't get why they often do weak buys when they can save/eco.
2019-03-02 15:34
#222
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
yeah i have to agree with you but beating navi and liquid in play-offs means that they can beat more experienced team
2019-03-02 22:15
#227
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Sweden Lagge15 
Clearly they can. Gonna give them a big confidens Boost before the final. They got nothing to lose now
2019-03-02 22:42
#223
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
good example was comeback on mirage by ence vs navi
2019-03-02 22:16
#229
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Sweden Lagge15 
I was work in so couldn't watch it. Was the Na'Vi lead because Na'Vi was good or because ENCE did weak buys? What bought them back? Ecomomy, a time-out or Na'Vi stopped playing (like BIG and Liquid)?
2019-03-02 22:44
#232
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
In my opinion Navi(Simple) was playing good
2019-03-02 22:49
#234
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Sweden Lagge15 
According to the stats/rating; Electronic and Flamie did not
2019-03-03 06:06
#235
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
and allu too
2019-03-03 13:19
#236
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Sweden Lagge15 
As I said in #213; na'Vi need all three star players to win. ENCE did not. Na'avi had one star player showing up and therefore only won 1 map
2019-03-03 13:34
#225
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Yugoslavia pkr11 
but im still pretty sure that no one expected that ence will be in finals
2019-03-02 22:16
#228
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Sweden Lagge15 
Except for the delusional memers
2019-03-02 22:42
#205
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India L1nu5 
GJ, you are a better analyst than thooorin.
2019-03-01 18:57
#207
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Sweden Lagge15 
Thanks. About as correct as Pimp though
2019-03-01 18:58
Every major the same post
2019-03-01 18:58
#208
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Sweden Lagge15 
Didn't see this post for the last 2 majors
2019-03-01 18:59
Well ofc not this exact post but since LG won columbus someone makes the "same" point
2019-03-01 19:24
#210
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Sweden Lagge15 
I can understand someone write it after Boston but before and around London EU were so much better than anyone else, including Liquid
2019-03-01 19:44
#214
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Algeria _whx4mi 
MIBR NA ?! huh nt :')
2019-03-02 14:38
#215
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Sweden Lagge15 
They live in NA and compete in NA
2019-03-02 14:41
#216
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Algeria _whx4mi 
but they don't represent NA SmartA** :)
2019-03-02 14:48
#217
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Sweden Lagge15 
So in league play they meet Furia and not C9?
2019-03-02 15:22
#220
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France J0riS_ 
ENCE: They have done more or less what's been expected from them and they really need to step up to get maps from the other teams. If you just count rounds in their BO3's they "lost" 39-40 against winstrike and 21-32 against Renegades. That means they are "too weak" for more experienced oponents. We've seen it before in their past. wtf
2019-03-02 19:16
#221
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Sweden Lagge15 
If you count against Na'Vi it was 3 maps and 44-35 rounds won to Na'Vi. And in that game multiple of Na'Vi players didn't even show up.
2019-03-02 21:20
LMAO but t-h-e-y l-o-s-t
2019-03-02 22:16
#226
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yes they did
2019-03-02 22:41
I wouldnt say allu or sergej really showed up either though
2019-03-03 13:37
#238
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Sweden Lagge15 
I made a short point about that in #213
2019-03-03 13:40
#230
Kush | 
Netherlands protiny 
2/8 teams with legend status are NA/SA, 1 is CIS (NaVi), 1 is OC and the others are all EU. 0/8 try again next time.
2019-03-02 22:47
when RU was dominating region in cs:go
2019-03-02 22:47
#239
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Sweden Lagge15 
It was a typo and I don't have the option to Edit for some reason. Should be EU
2019-03-03 13:42
eu final
2019-03-02 22:49
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