see? thats what i dont want to discuss, because is totally subjective.
in your perspective haters came first, in other people perspectives annoying fans came first.
i know your point and i respect it, just like i respect other ppl points.
but for me, both should end: the haters and the annoying fans
but this will never end, as you said, when other teams come to top there are always the haters and the annoying fans.
hltv is full of fake flagers , baiting and stupid kids, so we will never know the truth.
its useless to discuss this.
have a good day