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United States NightCrawlerBRC 
Lots of people are bitching about the AUG and how it's affecting this major. Let's go over a few bullet points: 1.) It's a CoD gun and shouldn't be in CS - The AUG has been in CS for decades, long before CoD and their scoped assault rifles 2.) They should have made the change after this major - That's exactly what they did with the previous one. The FACEIT Major ended on Sept. 23rd and their pricing update came out October 9th 3.) The AUG has ruined the meta - The price was the only thing they changed and they did this months ago. Players and teams had months to prepare and make adjustments to their strategies and game play. 4.) Maps are turning CT-sided because of the AUG and it's unfair now - These are professional CSGO players and it's literally their job to adjust to game changes and compete. They've had plenty of time since the Oct. 9th update. No excuses Game changes are a good thing. It keeps the game fresh for the players and viewers, it changes how maps are played, and helps prevent it from becoming boring for everyone
2019-02-20 18:40
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#1
Pumtac | 
Slovenia YuNOliek 
You really think people will read this wall of text? Make youtube video about it and bitch there
2019-02-20 18:41
just because you can't read, it doesn't mean that others can't as well
2019-02-20 18:45
#6
Pumtac | 
Slovenia YuNOliek 
I can read dw:P
2019-02-20 18:46
I read it :)
2019-02-20 18:57
2019-02-20 18:58
ty.
2019-02-20 18:59
I also want one.
2019-02-20 19:44
#72
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Ukraine illinoize 
Yay could i have some?
2019-02-20 20:44
only if you read it
2019-02-20 23:13
#31
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Denmark Xipingu 
We are competent people that can handle reading a little text, unlike other countries from your.. Region, I guess. Whatever you call your plebland. Slovenia, maybe?
2019-02-20 19:08
Insulting me for a country I come from, how nice of you. Then you talk about competent
2019-02-20 19:09
#71
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Denmark Xipingu 
It wasn’t nice of me, no, but seriously it can’t be that hard to read. If you don’t want to, get over it and keep scrolling
2019-02-20 20:43
so rude girl
2019-02-20 19:10
Was my bad actually, I shouldn't have posted that comment. Maybe I just got triggered because it is like 100th comment about AUG today. My apologies to OP and everyone else
2019-02-20 19:11
No worries... alls is good. Apology accepted
2019-02-20 19:16
Fenk you sir
2019-02-20 19:20
#55
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Algeria Sawsell 
oooy you still here lol!!
2019-02-20 19:46
CT 60% winrate /thread /closed
2019-02-20 18:42
#56
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United Kingdom TGR4 
Yes? Team swap at halftime remember? 4Head
2019-02-20 19:47
Last major it was 49%/51% T/CT obviously more balanced Pepega
2019-02-20 19:55
#62
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United Kingdom TGR4 
Both teams play ct and t in every game FailFish
2019-02-20 20:10
Okay, so you think it's better that teams go 13 rounds on CT and then have to struggle to finish it on T? Just because you managed to climb to nova 2 after the AUG update doesn't mean that you should be blindly defending something that is clearly broken and getting nerfed after the major.
2019-02-20 20:12
I always liked the occasional use of the AUG, but the price needs to go back to 3300$. People will still use it when they have money, but to a lesser extent. No need to nerf it
2019-02-20 18:42
i'm sure the devs will do another change after this major, whether that's changing the prices back or making changes to the m4 and/or m4a1-s
2019-02-20 18:56
If they make m4 and a1s more viable wouldnt that make it more ct sided? since people can play m4s but they are not as used to the AUG
2019-02-20 19:42
well if they keep this price for the AUG and make the m4 better, then yes it will make the game even more CT sided dunno if they'll put the price back to $3500 and make the m4 different or if they'll keep the prices and nerf the aug. too early to tell really, but i guarantee they'll make changes
2019-02-20 20:16
My theory is that Valve wanted more weapon diversity. So they forced it by lowering the price to 3150$. They will up the price back to 3300$. People will use it less, but more than before they lowered it to 3150$, because players are more used to the gun now, and it is arguably better than M4. Mission accomplished
2019-02-20 20:55
yea i completely agree with you and it absolutely worked. now that there's a clear imbalance, they'll change something again after the major
2019-02-20 20:55
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felps | 
Brazil pluga 
for me it's the perfect solution
2019-02-20 20:51
#5
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Portugal Magic420 
I completely agree with you. Meta exists in every game, best players adapt to it, you see f0rest one taping people still, play with m4-s. The AUG gives a random buy to every team, and to me, it is exciting. Not only m4, ak, or even AWP. Meta is meta, it exists, deal with it.
2019-02-20 18:45
4.) Maps are turning CT-sided because of the AUG and it's unfair now - These are professional CSGO players and it's literally their job to adjust to game changes and compete. They've had plenty of time since the Oct. 9th update. No excuses no one said its unfair, every disbalance is fair since teams switch sides after halftime. its just boring to watch. also this point is retarded, old nuke had the best teams go 14-1/13-2 on it, its easy to say "just adjust" without making an actual suggestion. the main point people get triggered by is that its lowering the skill gap,m4 objectively takes more skill ESPECIALLY on long range engagements. if they had actually tried to balance it they wouldve given it some drawback instead of just adjusting the price.
2019-02-20 18:47
looooooots of people said it's unfair now... i continue to see it every day on here i don't think it's lowering the skill gap. if anything it's making it more difficult for the T side and the players have to find ways to overcome the range of the AUG. Plenty of teams out there are doing just fine on the T side. i'm sure the devs will make more changes after this major, whether that's the price again or adjustments to the m4 and m4a1-s
2019-02-20 18:49
it takes less skill to play, ive seen it alot already this major, players that are known to have bad aim getting frags they never wouldve gotten with the m4. its a no brainer that the extra scope sensitivity makes it easier to aim on mid to long ranges. i dont even have a problem with it being effective on long range, but then give it a worse spray pattern when hipfiring (than the m4) or any drawback at all.
2019-02-20 18:59
right, but they could have been using the AUG before the price change (and some did). it's been the same for such a long time and the potential was always there. $350 really isn't THAT big of a difference for how much performance you gain over the m4. once again, these are professional players and it's their job to play CS at the highest level. what this update has done is make players fully realize how much better the AUG is. even if they change the price back, i guarantee that players will still continue to use it
2019-02-20 19:04
#58
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United Kingdom TGR4 
$350? It only changed by $150, and is now only $50 more expensive.
2019-02-20 19:49
it used to be $3500 and now it's $3150
2019-02-20 20:14
#81
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United Kingdom TGR4 
Nope, it used to be $3300
2019-02-20 22:43
really? i seem to remember it costing $3500...... either way, that being the case, we're only talking about a $150 difference and all of a sudden now the community is up in arms.... $150 is like nothing in this game, i dont understand all this bitching and complaining
2019-02-20 23:04
No its not Team who play for CT for first 15 rounds will win games more often
2019-02-20 19:18
#11
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Russia Ou7bReaK 
worst major ever, so fckn boring
2019-02-20 18:51
+11
2019-02-20 18:59
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crank | 
Poland WITAM 
They ruined the major. Boring games. zzz
2019-02-20 18:59
its ment to be about the competition and the tournament not about the viewers
2019-02-20 19:05
what's your point?
2019-02-20 19:07
Totally agree with you, and I'll add more: Aug is more precise than the m4 So... How are they lowering the skill gap by using a gun that your shots actually go where you aim at? And as I said other day, sg is even more powerful than Aug. So instead of crying to the Aug, why not learn to use sg and reckt those Aug meta players?
2019-02-20 19:06
totally agree with you
2019-02-20 19:08
100%
2019-02-20 19:50
+1
2019-02-20 20:47
#87
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Romania m8down 
Aug is more precise than the m4 Thats how they are lowering the skill mate, being more precise means it is easier to use
2019-02-20 23:09
it's not lowering the skill, it's lowering the randomness and lucky
2019-02-26 19:49
#93
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Romania m8down 
It indeed lowers the skill, even if it lowers the randomness and luckiness as well
2019-02-28 16:59
What i miss from old times without aug is the curiosity about who will win next round. Now theres like 60% chances to CT win rounds If Ts win rounds, its a perfect execution, or some uncommon peak, or some mistake from cts Id like more a game 50/50 CT and T side win rates dunno if i made myself clear but yet i'll post it haha
2019-02-20 19:11
for sure, i understand what you're saying in general i like changes to CSGO. it's an older game and the maps have stayed relatively the same. there's only so many ways to take a bomb site, only so many smoke spots, etc. and this new AUG explosion is forcing teams to change their setups and strategies
2019-02-20 19:36
its the scope they call it CoD gun for. before it just zoomed in the regular crosshair. also what kind of argument is "it was changed long time ago so it cant be considered too good now". the tec9 wasnt considered OP untill they nerfed to CZ and everyone started using the tec9
2019-02-20 19:11
the tec9 had changes to how the gun functions the aug's change is only the price. my point is that the aug has been this way for a loooooong time. now that it's cheaper, people are buying it and fully realizing how good it actually is. even if the devs change the price back to $3500, people have proven that the price difference is worth the increase in performance over the m4. i have no doubt that people will continue to use it if they change the price back to where it was
2019-02-20 19:38
no they didnt change the tec9 at ALL when the CZ was nerfed. the aug had its price reduced. which is worth like half the guns stats value. some players, most notably NBK, already started trying both the SG and the aug in matches before the price change. and for the entire meta to switch almost instantly after the realization, it has to be pretty damn convincingly overpowered you cant argue the gun is the same when the price is changed. it wasnt a big change in the numbers but enough to make more ppl try it out. personally i dont dont like it cause its waaay to easy to use, making players like niko and s1mple a bit less valuable also the aug highlights doesnt look that sick but im not gonna call players out for using it since its the same for everyone and you would have to be retarded to not give yourself every benefit you can in a match and yes some players still play m4, like f0rest. and he obviusly is playing really well right now. but he also used the m1 when the m4 was the meta
2019-02-20 19:51
for sure i understand what you're saying. i just like how it's changing things up. sure it's easy to use and it forces teams to alter their normal T side play. i use it every once in a while, but i still primarily use the m4. dunno if it's bc i'm just so used to it or what
2019-02-20 20:14
yeah changes are most of the time very fun. but i dont see how this is a change for the better in any way. but i also think its a tad bit over-exaggerated. its not like we didnt see rushes stopped by someone holding mouse1 with the m4, it was just way sicker cause you know from playing yourself how hard it can be to keep the m4 in check in tense situations before when somone made a sick m4 spray transfer it was "FRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIBERG!!!" now its "hes gonna clean up with the aug ez"
2019-02-20 20:27
more points to you 1. aug is ugly. 2. shot sound is ugly. 3. no one played it before because is a noob gun plus 250$.
2019-02-20 19:17
BIG running 4 AUG and 1 AWP lineup vs G2 right now. Call of Duty Global Offensive
2019-02-20 19:18
wasnt AUG in cs earlier den cod??
2019-02-20 19:19
yes it was
2019-02-20 19:39
why say it cod gun? say it cs gun :[
2019-02-20 19:40
no idea man, people love to cal lit a CoD gun even though it really isn't lol
2019-02-20 19:41
The only thing I dont like about the AUG is the POV with it - feels a bit awkward in my opinion, but other than that, I completely agree with all of your arguments. Thanks for making this
2019-02-20 19:27
i also find that the scope can block your view on the screen. i've had a few instances where i died because literally didn't see someone that was behind the scope
2019-02-20 19:40
do you mean when you're scoped in or just the way the scope is attached to the gun?
2019-02-20 19:51
just the way it's attached to the gun
2019-02-20 20:12
I am not making excuses for the professionals, but as just another counter-strike player with 16 years in the game - I do not like this update. It isn't that the AUG is too good, being as it is, but it is too good compared to it's current price. The game isn't played as intended, as the meta was never supposed to be AUGs and and AWP on ct-side. I'm sure. I do however like the fact that it is, and has been despite the old price, a good gun, but the price should reflect why you bought it - not just because it is the meta right now. It should be adjusted at least when it comes to scoped spray, somehow. It is VERY good in those terms.
2019-02-20 20:17
I too have been playing CS for a long time. I started playing in 2000 when we had to use GameSpy to connect to the servers hahaha I used the aug back then, i used it during CSS, and i used it a little bit in CSGO. Now that it's cheaper, it's too easy to justify the decision because it's clearly a LOT better than the m4, especially with longer range maps like cache, dust2, etc. I still use the m4 more often simply because it's a habit and i know the spray pattern very well, but the AUG is indeed better. I think nerfing the unscoped spray pattern and increasing the scope in time would change how things play out. as it stands now, it takes like a split second to scope in with the AUG and Krieg. that's easily an adjustment point they could make
2019-02-20 20:25
These are also fair points! I also want to point out I never ment that I didnt see any value in the AUG in previous iterations of the game. It just wasn't commonly used due to other guns having less off a risk/reward in less of money investment and pure firepower tradeoff .
2019-02-20 20:58
#75
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Lithuania arres 
"and helps prevent it from becoming boring for everyone" dude, that's why people are bitching about AUG. It is not interesting to see 2 like 12:3 or 13:2 CT sided halves.
2019-02-20 20:49
#80
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Sweden Trkmag 
What I don't like about it is that it's obviously better than the M4 and takes less skill to use. Nerf AUG and buff M4A1-s to at least the same firerate as the A4
2019-02-20 21:02
The argument about "Pros are literally paid to adapt" is cop out garbage and low hanging fruit. Ah, Valve have introduced a $500 automatic pistol that can literally 1 headshot you, something even the M4 and AUG cant do at distance. Because these guys get salary, they should then simply magically create tactics that make the pistol not 1 headshot you. It's garbage.
2019-02-20 22:46
true, they can't control the actual mechanics, damage, and cost for the weapons. however this game is their job and profession. it is their job (they get paid to do this) to come up with ways to overcome the aspects of the game that cause issues for them and their team. the awp, since it's inception with CS, is a prime example of that. it's a 1-shot sniper rifle with practically unlimited range. for literally decades now, players and teams have been coming up with ways to get that awper off his spot, develop ways to get around him, and find ways to defeat him. the aug, a powerful weapon that has a relatively low cost, is another one of those examples. it's in the game and there's nothing they can do about it. they, people who get paid to do this for a living, need to come up with ways to overcome it so they can win. the teams that do will be successful. the teams that dont, and complain, will not be successful super simple
2019-02-20 23:02
Yeah, I'll bet they are doing it. Valve giving the community 0 reason to pick the M4 over the AUG does not help though. Scoped guns should go back to original price since they have such a god damn strong effect on the game.
2019-02-20 23:05
and that might happen after this major. for some reason i thought the aug was $3500, but i guess it was only $3300. we're talking about a $150 difference between the old price and the new.... that's practically nothing in this game. you can't even buy a flashbang with that.... the devs mentioned they wanted to bring weapon diversity back to the game, which is why they lowered the price a bit. it's pretty clear that they have done that now. even if they put the price back to $3300, i guarantee you that people will still continue to use the aug. my suggestion is that they nerf the non-scoped spray pattern and also increase the time it takes for you to scope in. right now it's almost instant and creating a longer scope-in time could actually be very effective without actually nerfing the gun
2019-02-20 23:08
People can still use the AUG if they want. I dont think the gun should be mechanically nerfed, but rather the use of the AUG will put a bigger strain on the economy. So people who try to main AUGs will lose more money.
2019-02-20 23:09
for sure, i can understand that. but after seeing how good this gun actually is, even $3300 is not enough for how much you actually get compared with the m4 $3400 - $3500 should be the target price imo
2019-02-20 23:11
Yes fair
2019-02-20 23:13
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