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Astralis major run so far
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United Kingdom Bern1e 
Game 1; vs Complexity (worst team ever to attend a major) Game 2: vs C9 (second worst team in this major) Game 3; Renegades (teir 3 team) So astralis go 3-0 without playing any teir 1 teams. What a surprise. I dont know why everyone thinks they are gods when they just get given the easiest possible route. While NiP have to play NRG (who are playing really well atm) Then play liquid (2nd best team in the world).... I couldn't have made a worse system if i tried
2019-02-21 11:19
C9>MiBR
2019-02-21 11:21
#48
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United States Michigun 
Haha so true
2019-02-21 11:50
c9 are prolly fourth worst team on major
2019-02-21 11:53
#131
xaN | 
France TARES 
C9 are more inconsistent than XMS lmao
2019-02-21 12:44
ye, do u remember his 5 taps ace?
2019-02-21 13:04
#142
xaN | 
France TARES 
yeah, and besides that he is able to whiff 3 mags on one ennemy
2019-02-21 13:06
pretty consistent
2019-02-21 13:06
#2
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Bugstralis is going to eat shit in quarters Just watch
2019-02-21 11:21
#36
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Denmark Snadefar 
quarters? they will go straight to semis if they win today
2019-02-21 11:46
No they won't, quarters are 8 teams in total and 8 teams go thru
2019-02-21 11:47
#44
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Denmark Snadefar 
oh right, this new system is rigged
2019-02-21 11:48
#61
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Turkey rivaluk 
"this new system" since when a team in a major goes straight into the semis
2019-02-21 11:53
+1
2019-02-21 11:56
+1
2019-02-21 12:53
#143
xaN | 
France TARES 
new ? LMAO
2019-02-21 13:06
#3
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic JeSuS_ 
By NiP, right? xaxaxaxaxa
2019-02-21 11:22
bad bait was expecting more from uk :/
2019-02-21 11:23
He is an idiot. Faze and Mibr couldnt go 2-0 because they suck. This is the reason why Astralis meet Renegades. Renegades by the way is doing far better than those suckers from faze and brazil.. So Meeting Renegades is actually the currently 2nd best team in the world - Because all other top tier teams are SHIT. Astralis however dont care they will smash all opponents. just another day on the office.
2019-02-21 11:53
#78
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
This is what I call a very positive and sportive person.
2019-02-21 11:57
:D I know
2019-02-21 14:57
TO THE STARS
2019-02-21 12:02
#5
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Korea AlexeS5386 
A renegades beating Faze, Nip & Ence which are all pretty solid teams, Ence dropped of masively since the last stage but still solid, same as NRG btw. C9 Just beat Mibr in a pretty solid showing, you can consider the loss to Astralis a fluke (the scoreline not the fact that they lost) Well complexity i cant argue with. But you are really under estimating Renegades which is sad AF.
2019-02-21 11:23
#11
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Australia halyxd 
c9 only lost to astralis with tht scoreline because of how ct sided train is. the aug is too stong
2019-02-21 11:27
#17
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Korea AlexeS5386 
I won't say that Train is THAT ct sided, since a lot of the time it really comes down to how you entry and trade off each other. And watching the game yesterday, C9 neither entried or traded off each other that well. Well it also comes down to Magisk and Device being on fire and not showing that much respect since they felt extremely confident. Yeah the AUG is OP, but it still isn't as broken as the CZ was back in the day.
2019-02-21 11:31
hltv.org/stats/maps?event=3884 68% winrate on ct in the qualifier on nuke hltv.org/stats/maps?event=3564 Here you can see the winrate from London, 52.8% 52.8% to 68% winrate on ct is quite a big difference, and aug probably was one of the reasons why this has happened
2019-02-21 11:46
#49
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Korea AlexeS5386 
Im just saying that he argues that train is REALLY Ct sided, im just saying that he is giving it more credit than it deserves. And i never said the AUG is not OP, I'm just saying that the AUG isn't the only reason as to why the winrates has changed, the only thing they did was drop the price of it, and if it really was as broken as CZ back in the day you would have seen more players using it before the price drop :)
2019-02-21 11:50
#56
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Australia halyxd 
it is very ct sided. if u disagree ur wrong.
2019-02-21 11:52
#64
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Korea AlexeS5386 
lul haha, I'm not saying it isn't CT sided, but you are saying it's more CT sided than it really is :)
2019-02-21 11:53
i see, i didn't play cs when the cz was broken, but i see alot of augs, like insane amount of augs, people just didn't care before becuase it probs was too expensive for them in their heads and with economy and that.
2019-02-21 11:53
#71
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Korea AlexeS5386 
That is true, with the new economy system and the price drop it is more available, but i still don't think you can give as much credit to the aug as many people are doing. I think it also has to do with a change of approach to the game from many teams :)
2019-02-21 11:55
longer range fight happen now and people play more passive with augs, so you're right that they change the approach
2019-02-21 12:00
#84
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Korea AlexeS5386 
And this is what makes it harder for the T's to go and get an entry frag even with the AK's. While many people dislike this meta, i quite like it, of course i think it could be tweaked and the AUG could see a small increase in price or a little nerf. But this i like :D
2019-02-21 12:02
i play and watch whatever meta it is lol, cs is fun to watch anyway
2019-02-21 12:06
#89
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Korea AlexeS5386 
True, you get a lot more excitement throughout the whole match than in a lot of other eSports :)
2019-02-21 12:06
#23
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Denmark K0NG3N 
So tell me why glaive isnt use the AUG, when is it that op? He just killed that game with m4
2019-02-21 11:35
#30
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France funKKush182 
+1 Man is a consistent fragger with any weapon
2019-02-21 11:42
#57
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Denmark K0NG3N 
i think i love that guy, love to see him playing <<3333
2019-02-21 11:52
#72
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Australia halyxd 
all im saying is, if c9 started ct it wouldnt be a 16-0
2019-02-21 11:55
#86
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Korea AlexeS5386 
That might not be the case. If you looked at C9's teamplay and the way they got outaimed in a lot of duels.
2019-02-21 12:03
#109
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Denmark K0NG3N 
they would not be able to hold the sites against Astralis
2019-02-21 12:22
the only CT sided map for pros is inferno the rest is 50-50
2019-02-21 12:12
#102
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Korea AlexeS5386 
Dude have you ever heard of the map called nuke? or the map called overpass?
2019-02-21 12:19
no one plays nuke. overpass gives you a lot to work as T-side, different from inferno.
2019-02-21 12:25
#118
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Korea AlexeS5386 
The point of having multiple maps is for them to be different. Still the numbers tell a different story to what you are trying to argue, so please at least try to research a little before you make stupid comments.
2019-02-21 12:34
numbers wont always tell u the truth. dev1ce has won everything and he is not #1 is he? only ct sided map is inferno, the rest is 50-50. and no one plays nuke.
2019-02-21 12:36
#123
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Korea AlexeS5386 
Numbers show that Simple had a better year stats wise and it is individual not team performance the rankings are based on, of course winning a lot helps your case for being number 1, again numbers backing up the claims. But damm at this point i dont know if you are baiting or stupid?
2019-02-21 12:38
+1 rekt lmao
2019-02-21 12:56
#105
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Korea AlexeS5386 
hltv.org/stats/maps?event=3883 the only T sided map this major is Dust 2 at this point. rest are ct sided
2019-02-21 12:20
ENCE and NiP are not solid.
2019-02-21 12:11
#101
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Korea AlexeS5386 
Well NIP might not be considered that solid, but ENCE was SOLID last stage, and you can't say that they werent. And NIP has been playing better after a rough start. I still consider both teams solid
2019-02-21 12:18
#129
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Poland Kain_aj 
+1
2019-02-21 12:42
+1
2019-02-21 12:54
they got a godlike seed since they are the best team in the world if this was some other team you wouldn't complain
2019-02-21 11:24
#8
GuardiaN | 
United Kingdom Bern1e 
I just think gifting the most dominant team of csgo history the easier major run possible is just boring for veiwers. thats all i care about, idgaf who wins, who loses, i just want to see the best major possible, and for me watching 16-0s isnt fun. its just a boring game
2019-02-21 11:26
#18
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Korea AlexeS5386 
If it had been Astralis who 16-0 liquid would you have said the same?
2019-02-21 11:32
#35
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France funKKush182 
Lmao...Boring? I can't comprehend why people blame Astralis for being Boring? Is it their fault that the other team failed to do shit against them...If anything you should blame the team that play them and get rekt for not performing. So Astralis should intentionally throw a match and lose just to make it and entertaining Major...how does that even qualify as a logic?
2019-02-21 11:46
Its not astralis's fault that the organizers chose a stupid system which gave them the easiest opponents throughout the tourney. I like watching astralis dominate teams, but only if those teams are good teams. Its not fun watching astralis vs 5 random noobs
2019-02-21 11:47
#65
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France funKKush182 
See this is why your logic is flawed The teams that have made all the way up to this point can be considered good enough. Complexity..maybe not but Clown 9 have a very respectable lineup(Zellsis is whatever tho) Renegades are better than BIG and NIP(you mentioned) and they'll still get whacked today. and there is no point in seeing Astralis vs navi or Liquid as of now...They are destined to meet at quarter's , semis or finals so there's that.
2019-02-21 11:53
I dont really care about astralis, it was my fault for basing this thread around them, ishouldve based it around the worse teams. I just think it makes for a boring group stage. Which is fairly evident
2019-02-21 11:56
#80
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France funKKush182 
Well you did create a thread revolving around Astralis and without logical points but hey..we're all humans. Mistakes are bound to be made. peace out
2019-02-21 11:59
Indeed, i do accept it was a mistake. Funny how many astralis fans there are all of a sudden though XD
2019-02-21 12:00
#87
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France funKKush182 
Been a fan for 4 years now... I look back at those days when TSM used to choke so hard like Liquid are right now... Nostalgia...but i don't miss them TBH
2019-02-21 12:05
im not surprised
2019-02-21 12:07
+1
2019-02-21 12:55
#79
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
It's group stage. Any sport group stage is supposed to be like that
2019-02-21 11:59
THIS IS HOW SEEDING WORKS. In every sport, not only in eSports. If you are at the top of the last major, you get the best seed. OR, in case of this major, the teams decided each other's seed by placing them in ranks from 1 to 15. Oh and by the way, NRG are sitting at 0-2 right now, in no circumstance have they been performing good in this major. So if you want an excuse that NIP are not in the same place as Astralis right now, it is - they are a worse team. Fucking deal with it
2019-02-21 12:20
mibr got 3rd seed, you comment is irrelevant. People defending the seeding dont even study the seeding...
2019-02-21 12:21
intelextrememasters.com/season-13/katowi.. MIBR got the 4th seeding place, if you had read what I said, other competing teams picked the seeding, not IEM
2019-02-21 12:29
#7
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Liberia weALLcheat 
cry is free, 3rd Major is coming
2019-02-21 11:26
#9
GuardiaN | 
United Kingdom Bern1e 
TO THE FUCKING STARS BROTHER!
2019-02-21 11:27
#12
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Liberia weALLcheat 
They go easy path, because they are numba 1 team, that is the advantage you get owning every other team before.
2019-02-21 11:27
TO THE STARS
2019-02-21 12:00
#119
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Liberia weALLcheat 
take your medicine
2019-02-21 12:35
#10
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Sweden Div-\ 
Now explain to me why would you want a super hyped game in the group stage between two teams that could battle in semis or finals. It doesn't make sense. TOs must SAVE hyped matches for later parts of the torunaments. It doesn't make any sense to see NaVi, Liquid and Astralis playing each other right now.
2019-02-21 11:27
#15
France Uexo 
+1
2019-02-21 11:30
#24
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Denmark K0NG3N 
+1 better we se the faggot teams just get smashed in the stage, so we can see the op teams in bo3
2019-02-21 11:38
No but it doesnt make much sense to watch astralis vs the 3 worst teams they can play? What fun is that for the veiwer? Im not asking for faze vs astralis every game, just maybe a astralis vs big or something more competitive. The method of giving the best team the worst teams is why majors keep the same legends all the time and why the CS scene stays so stagnant
2019-02-21 11:39
#29
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Korea AlexeS5386 
Well Renegades vs Astralis, is the matchup because Faze didn't beat Renegades :)
2019-02-21 11:42
#31
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Korea AlexeS5386 
+ renegades isn't part of the 3 worst teams Astralis could play, use your head instead of being biased
2019-02-21 11:43
#32
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Sweden Div-\ 
From what BIG showed, Ast vs BIG would not be competitive at all. Also now they'll have to play Renegades which has showed to be a fairly good team.
2019-02-21 11:43
Yeah true, they finally have a teir 2 team to play against... Tbh i dont know why i focused on astralis as im obviously gonna ruin the debate as itll always attract fan boys. I shouldve focuses on the lack of chance for upsets going through. With this seeding you have to win 3 upsets to get through 3-0. Constantly getting harder every stage
2019-02-21 11:45
#39
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Sweden Div-\ 
That is true but what would be your solution to this? Also, the principle behind this is: if a team is so good that can consistently upset, then it is for real a good team.
2019-02-21 11:47
My solution would be to base the first round on HLTV rankings, giving the best teams a good chance of going 1-0. Then id base the system around RD. As i think 1 round of easy games is all that the good teams should need to ensure they make it out of the group stage.
2019-02-21 11:48
#47
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Sweden Div-\ 
I am not sure I got it. By RD what do you mean exactly, round difference?
2019-02-21 11:50
Yeah, round difference :) I dont know any other way of doing it to keep it the most interesting. RD being inculded means that you can have interesting games within shit games due to the fact that you might be wanting a team to win 16-3 or whatever so that your fav team got a better match up ect. Just keeps the major more fun.
2019-02-21 11:52
#75
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Sweden Div-\ 
Hmm but don't you think that is a bit random? I'll give you an example: C9 beat MIBR 16-3 on inferno right? And AST won vs Complexity 16-4 or 16-6 on Nuke. If we took into account your "seeding" you would have put C9 against AST either way because both won with a huge round difference but nevertheless C9 got smashed by Ast 16-0 on the second round. The bottom line is: there is no perfect system, but in some way the TOs have to guarantee that the truly best teams reach the end stage of the tournament (do you remember last time we had swiss bo1 at the major? Fucking complexity got in the playoff stage and got smashed).
2019-02-21 11:56
The lesser teams need to prove themselves, so I'd say that it's a good thing that they meet a superior team. It doesn't make sense trying to match each team with eachother, since their going to meet anyway. The better team should make it through.
2019-02-21 12:47
#133
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Poland Kain_aj 
Suggesting that renegades are t3 team LUL
2019-02-21 12:48
#13
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France neibaf 
shouldve been 2-0 match vs TL/navi but ok gz astralis
2019-02-21 11:28
#14
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Denmark MeToxi 
Astralis would be playing tier1 teams in 2 - 0 group if other teams hadn't failed against renegades. Don't blame astralis for being good or the system, blame the other teams who were playing bad or the teams who had underestimated renegades(Though if they hadn't it would probably still have ended in astralis vs renegades) 2 - 0 is supposed to be the group with the 4 best teams of the event and it seems that renegades is one of the 4 best.
2019-02-21 11:28
#20
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Sweden Div-\ 
+1 Also renegades are playing very well so credits to them. Is their run a fluke? They will have to prove it, a BO3 against astralis is a good test.
2019-02-21 11:32
#22
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Korea AlexeS5386 
This comment makes me happy, there is someone who understands that Renegades are actually playing well and that the fact that they made it here isn't just luck :)
2019-02-21 11:34
#96
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Denmark MeToxi 
5 out of 5 matches won in the major so far. They definitely deserves to be called one of the best teams currently at this major. Whether they'll keep performing well after the major is a discussion for another time. And it definitely isn't luck since they had to face some pretty good teams to get to where they are.
2019-02-21 12:12
#100
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Korea AlexeS5386 
+1 Well put :)
2019-02-21 12:17
#134
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Poland Kain_aj 
+1
2019-02-21 12:51
Astralis wouldve always got the worst of the 2-0 teams. Thats my issue, regardless of what happens, astralis will get the easiest of opponents forever
2019-02-21 11:40
#120
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Denmark MeToxi 
Only because the other teams rated them as the clear favorites. If they hadn't then other teams could have caught up with upsets and stuff like that.
2019-02-21 12:36
#16
France Uexo 
yeah it's called "seeding"
2019-02-21 11:31
Hey, i know i should'nt write here becuz the avagr iq is 25, but 16-0 is boring if its tyloo vs vici, but astralis won 16-0 because their communication is better because they pracc?? instead of sitting in U S A and listning to donald dumb?? how can u think thats boring? plebs are dumbasf
2019-02-21 11:32
#21
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Germany enzin 
IQ -10? Ofc they are getting the worst possible enemies. It's how the seeding works UK brain.
2019-02-21 11:33
I know thats how seeding works, im critising the seeding, saying it creates a boring major. Which judging by the top team games so far, theyve all been bore fests except the nip games
2019-02-21 11:41
#33
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Korea AlexeS5386 
Nah the games have actually been pretty interesting, if you watched before this stage. There were insanely interesting games. But well i guess you just wan't to be against the seeding system because you can't see the best of the teams battle it out in groups instead of later on in the tournament.
2019-02-21 11:44
My main issue is that this system makes it as hard as possible for there to be an upset team get through to the play offs. Look at nips run. They get nrg (4th seed) and beat them, then get liquid (2nd seed) And if they won that, they wouldve got astalis lol
2019-02-21 11:46
#43
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Korea AlexeS5386 
Well you said that Renegades is one of the 3 worst teams, and look where they are now? And i personally like the Seeding system, because it removes the QBF, Col and so on runs, where they get playoffs by literally have a few good games.
2019-02-21 11:48
Im super happy that RNG are doing well, its showing that even though the system is trash, it still has a chance for a semi decent team to get through. I think RNG just got luck in that the top teams that they had to play against are known chokers to bad teams. I.e if RNG got liquid or astralis rather than faze then they wouldve lost. But then agian, RNG were middleish seeding so not really relevant
2019-02-21 11:50
#58
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Korea AlexeS5386 
I would not say that NIP & Ence are known for choking, and Faze is not normally choking in groups its later on in tournaments :) And why is being middleish seeding not relevant? Every seeding should be relevant since you're arguing against the system :)
2019-02-21 11:53
Yes but my point was that its too easy for top teams and too hard for low teams. I think the seeding woudlve worked if it stopped after round 1. This seeding just allows for the best teams to have an easy route and the lower seeded teams to have an impossible route. Imagine if everyone seeded Liquid as the lowest seed just so they had a impossible run at the major, everyone would be going mental ./
2019-02-21 11:55
#77
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Korea AlexeS5386 
You're using liquid as an example, but the whole point of the seeding system is to make sure teams like liquid doens't play all the other top teams. And the lower seeded teams get to play teams with lower seeding as well, now that most of the strongest team are already in the 2-0 stage, which means that your argument of an impossible run is out of the window :)
2019-02-21 11:57
#99
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Denmark MeToxi 
Well said.
2019-02-21 12:16
#69
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Israel wetz 
+1
2019-02-21 11:55
You are stupid man, sorry to tell. If you are an underdog, you need to prove that you deserve to reach the playoffs. And of course you will see t1 teams against each other. IN THE FUCKING PLAYOFFS!!! that's the point, great games in playoffs. Last major BiG and CoL reached playoffs because of that "random matches" and they did shit.
2019-02-21 11:42
#67
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Israel wetz 
+1
2019-02-21 11:54
RNG will win them, so not that easy
2019-02-21 11:47
Do you know why they are getting an easy route?. Its because the other supposed top tier teams like MIBR and FAZE are SHIT and can't go 2-0. So they get seeded like a bad team (which they are). So actually Renegades who are 2-0 is the new top tier team. So how again is it the easiest possible route? Swiss system is made so the teams winning are meeting the best teams.. Are you a complete idiot by neglecting this?
2019-02-21 11:48
#52
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Israel wetz 
+1
2019-02-21 11:51
+1
2019-02-21 11:57
#51
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Luxembourg alex24 
second worst team in the major is MIBR third is BIG, 4th is Avangar
2019-02-21 11:51
#54
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Israel wetz 
+1
2019-02-21 11:52
#53
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Denmark Lars69420 
Well, see it on the light side Astralis is gonna win another major :D
2019-02-21 11:51
#60
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Denmark oskarsports 
Another one who doesnt understand the system
2019-02-21 11:53
#66
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Israel wetz 
And you think c9 is the second worst team because they lost to astralis ? If c9 would start ct they could at least fight with astralis,but astralis played very good that map + they started ct side
2019-02-21 11:53
#68
Estonia rYm 
wait but they are the highest seed? what do you want?
2019-02-21 11:54
#90
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Brazil retardd 
nice english
2019-02-21 12:06
#92
Estonia rYm 
what do you want BIG fanboy
2019-02-21 12:08
hs bad player
2019-02-21 12:25
#126
Estonia rYm 
hs is a dead player
2019-02-21 12:40
hee got sexy body muscles
2019-02-21 12:41
#130
Estonia rYm 
freakazoid tried to get one and look what happened to him, low tier streamer
2019-02-21 12:42
#127
Estonia rYm 
ropz is okeish though
2019-02-21 12:41
bro are u there
2019-02-21 12:29
#93
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Iceland RTXs 
"NiP have to play NRG who are playing really well atm" NRG is 0-2
2019-02-21 12:09
#97
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Other juz36 
I dont like astralis either but what ur saying is complete trash.. A team which has dominated the scene for over an year cant be "bad". And btw the match isnt played yet... ???
2019-02-21 12:14
my pick em had renegades to go 3-0 and i also got 500$ on them to win the whole tournament at 34$ odds im a big believer and looking good so far :P see how we go against astralis tonight :P
2019-02-21 12:21
its not like they can beat anyone anyway,braindead thread lmao.its not like they won 10 events in 2018
2019-02-21 12:22
C9 isn't second worst Renegades is underrated
2019-02-21 12:23
And NRG played like shit first day.
2019-02-21 12:24
#114
Romania jDT 
even t2 t3...renegades defeated ence and faze; c9 defeated mibr. renegades is a good team...i like them
2019-02-21 12:27
#115
twice | 
Korea Tzuyu 
everyone falling for a UK bait
2019-02-21 12:27
tbh astralis one of the best teams and u must respect them
2019-02-21 12:37
*tier but ok
2019-02-21 12:39
#125
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France Angryy 
ELO seed
2019-02-21 12:39
Renegades will drop 1 map at least
2019-02-21 12:59
#140
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United States Trump2020KAG 
It’s a better system. No more flukes like col going 3-0. Do u watch college basketball???? End of the year the have the NCAA tournament. 64 teams 4 division 4-#1 seeds 1 in each division 4-#2 seeds 1 in each division Etc etc for the rest of the rankings. All games go #1 seed vs #16 seed #2 seed vs #15 seed Etc etc for the rest of the seeds. This stops games like 1vs 2 or 3 right off the bat saves the better matches for the end of the event. It’s a good system. Last major col got a bs pass to the 3-0 stage. Now it’s not about luck of the draw it’s about how good u are as a team.
2019-02-21 13:04
Complexity is the worst team to EVER attend a Major? I don't think so. You just start watching them? BTW: They did get 9 rounds on the #1 team in the world. Perhaps the worst team at THIS Major, but not worst ever. C9 being second-worst team is yet to be determined, but they did crush MiBR 16-3. Renegades is NOT a T3 team. Pretty ignorant post, tbh.
2019-02-21 13:39
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