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iBP Bans - Yes or no
frozen | 
Other not_bad 
Should they be unbanned?
2019-02-22 18:07
No.
2019-02-22 18:08
#68
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Latvia kaspianso 
YES. Jesus chill m9.
2019-02-22 19:15
#69
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Latvia kaspianso 
69
2019-02-22 19:15
Nice
2019-02-22 19:29
#77
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Latvia kaspianso 
ty brother
2019-02-22 19:29
I am not jesus but thanks)
2019-02-23 09:31
+1
2019-02-25 06:43
#2
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Serbia TheSerbianKing 
yes. /close
2019-02-22 18:08
#3
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Macedonia trashbait 
nayy
2019-02-22 18:08
#6
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Macedonia trashbait 
yayy*
2019-02-22 18:08
yes
2019-02-22 18:08
#5
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France Crystal21 
gla1ve on twitter
2019-02-22 18:08
good answer
2019-02-22 18:18
What?
2019-02-22 18:23
+1 everything said with that
2019-02-22 19:08
Yes. No reason for lifetime ban since they didnt influence directly on the game mechanics (cheating) Look at other examples: Juventus, match fixing got them to 2nd Italy division, a fair ban.
2019-02-22 18:08
i agree
2019-02-22 18:10
#40
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Other khorkalba 
Cheating increases the chances of a team winning unfairly. It undermines competition. Match fixing guarantees that a team wins unfairly. It completely destroys competition. The Juventus example is interesting because while the club was only punished by dropping down a division, some of the key individuals involved received jail sentences and lifetime bans from football.
2019-02-22 18:52
#123
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Ukraine dashbug 
Wtf are you talking about Juventus? I can't find any information in Google
2019-02-25 06:54
Juventus fixed matches in the Serie A ( Italian football league ) and they got 2 of thier titels ripped from them and they got demoted to Serie B and thats. Match fixing is a 100 % victory for the other team and should result in a Permaban
2019-02-25 10:04
#8
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Portugal EZ_4_ENCE_ENCE 
Yes, mibr threw a game vs astralis 16x0 so why wouldnt they unban ibp ?
2019-02-22 18:08
They didn't throw. They were methodically beaten.
2019-02-22 18:25
#48
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United States aweirdbanana 
not trying to start an argument, just saying took his joke and responded to it with a serious answer lol
2019-02-22 18:57
#126
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United States Raptorial 
What else can you expect from Danes? OMEGALUL
2019-02-25 07:02
+1 my dude. they take everything so serious even video games like wtf bro.
2019-02-25 07:06
#151
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United States aweirdbanana 
+1 they can't take a joke lmao
2019-02-25 11:42
im a dane and i find this funny rofl
2019-02-25 12:22
#9
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United States Freakmode 
no
2019-02-22 18:08
Just ask yourselves do u play/watch for the skin/money or play for the game? i bet 70% game and 30% betting
2019-02-22 18:09
#150
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Finland Rausku_ps 
I bet 70% game and 30% betting.
2019-02-25 11:39
#11
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Europe BLYATMANN 
Doesn't matter, they are tier 100 players, they can play on shitty events like Dreamhacks and etc.. If they don't have enough skill/brain for win these "useless" events, why they want to participate in Major ? Srsly...
2019-02-22 18:09
#23
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Germany sza_ 
-brax and steel -tier 100 choose one
2019-02-22 18:23
#41
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Europe BLYATMANN 
one
2019-02-22 18:52
#43
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Brazil hltv_baiter 
two
2019-02-22 18:55
three viva l'algerie
2019-02-22 19:33
Steel is getting kicked cuz ghost cant go to major
2019-02-22 18:43
#45
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Europe BLYATMANN 
As i said doesn't matter, Ghost is a tier 100 team. They can't attend any Dreamhack or something else useless event to prove they are not a bad team. Why they want to play in a Major if they don't have any chance to win some low-tier event ?
2019-02-22 19:04
Were talking about NA minor. Feel like Ghost would have a good chance
2019-02-23 09:18
Also on top of that now they can play in ECS who still won't allow the banned players.
2019-02-25 06:59
#131
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United States ferric 
If ghost is tier 100 team, how do they beat faze so consistently despite not getting the opportunity to attend so many legendary events?
2019-02-25 09:05
#145
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Europe BLYATMANN 
Where is Ghost now, and where is Faze now ? What they received after they beat Faze ? So ?
2019-02-25 10:12
FREE DADDYDAZED FREEBRAX banSteel
2019-02-22 18:10
#14
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Chile gentleeH 
No. They betrayed their orgs, their fans and everyone.
2019-02-22 18:14
#79
SPUNJ | 
Latvia XYPyra 
Well, but they were not salaried back then.
2019-02-22 19:32
so? greedy fucks should get banned on all events
2019-02-22 19:47
#92
SPUNJ | 
Latvia XYPyra 
hmm, who would not like to be paid when you play game 12h/per day and get back almost nothing. tbh you must say s1mple was greedy and should be banned, because he had esl ban.
2019-02-22 20:51
All that cheat or throw should be perma banned
2019-02-23 11:27
#114
SPUNJ | 
Latvia XYPyra 
agree.
2019-02-23 17:13
#124
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Canada NMX_ 
You retarded? They were literally dirt poor. Throw for money WAS their only option to survive effectively as they won't make enough off streaming alone and NA events at the time had at most $20k prize pools, nowhere near enough for 5 players to survive for months hence why it was a big deal at the time. Now, unless their team is orgless, there is no excuse to throw games for skins especially with the trade hold bullshit that has happened. If I were them I would have done the same thing to keep myself afloat. Keep in mind in 2014, the esports audience and CSGO audience in general was developing and hadn't even fully flourished yet. They should be unbanned as given their situation, 5 or more years is extensive with teams now and in the future being perma banned if they were to throw games themselves. The thrown game is not even remotely a big deal today anymore given that it has been 5 years since the incident and players who did get scammed would have likely got their $60-400 back anyway.
2019-02-25 06:55
They should remain banned.
2019-02-22 18:16
no
2019-02-22 18:18
even if they give valve millions of dollars they won't get unbanned so no
2019-02-22 18:19
yes
2019-02-22 18:20
Yeah they should Why? Because valve unbanned dota pros for the same thing (match fixing) 1 year or 2 year ban or whatever it is Either ban everybody or unban everybody But I'm favor of banning everybody
2019-02-22 18:21
322 wellknown for whole internet - no ban ibp, epsilon throw - permoban volvo logic
2019-02-22 18:27
iirc that 1 year ban only happened to one player, now the standard in Dota2 is perma as well
2019-02-22 19:00
I mean, they have been banned for 4 years already, does it really matter that they stay banned?
2019-02-22 18:23
#133
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United States ferric 
It kinda does seeing as Swag has been on swole patrol which was beating the NA teams trying to break out into the scene consistently (Ghost, EUnited, complexity, etc) and Steel was on a team tjat very recently has consistently beaten FaZe on LAN and now that those teams are getting better, their work is for nothing becsuse once the orgs and playrrs get better, tjey want to play majors but they cant play with Steel or Swag so they end up getting the short end of the stick.
2019-02-25 09:08
#24
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
yes
2019-02-22 18:23
Hell no. A few careers might go waste but this examplary punishment is what keeping the scene alive and clean. Now players know, you throw game, you throw your career for good
2019-02-22 18:27
#135
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United States ferric 
I dissagree, if they make it a 5-year ban, then most people would know to never matchfix because 5 years is literally the full length of.many.pros' careers and since ESIC has bans for 5 years for cheating and ESL has 2 year bans for matchfixing/cheating, Valve who know very little of what to do to ensure the most competitive scene should follow these industry leaders instead of maiking them bend over for them just because it is their game.
2019-02-25 09:11
#27
STYKO | 
Brazil STYKinho 
no
2019-02-22 18:25
#29
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Canada Adipocere 
Its hypocritical on Valve's side to not unban them since their are Dota2 pros who have also match fixed and only got one year bans. Steel is also looking to be replaced on his team, most likely because they have a good chance at making it to a major, and cant attend with him. The team might not understand that they can't make it to the major without Steel.
2019-02-22 18:28
they should be unbanned Their shit is serious and they've been out roughly 5 years which is still a bit ridiculous. I think that at most they serve another 2 years. Cheaters deserve perma bans but a 5-7 year ban is still horrible in CS. Look at the core 5 of NiP, after 3 years they went to shit and only f0rest stayed semi consistent. Those years may see the end of their career so it's somewhat more fair
2019-02-22 18:30
#129
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Finland Jardeet 
wtf this have to do with NiP????
2019-02-25 07:39
He used NiP as an example to explain why a 5 to 7 year ban is enough to punish ex-iBP players for their matchfixing scandal. He basically said that it only took 3 years for old core of NiP to go from the top level of csgo to a way lower skill level. His point is that a career is most likely destroyed through a 5 year ban anyways since it takes even less time to drop significantly skillwise.
2019-02-25 07:53
#137
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Finland Jardeet 
wtf nip didnt fix an match stfu on nip
2019-02-25 09:14
0/8 (it's up to you to decide if this is a bate-rating or an iq-rating)
2019-02-25 10:00
I'm pretty sure he can't even reach 8iq
2019-02-25 14:11
#31
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Finland no_man 
they were way too stupid about it to deserve anything tbh
2019-02-22 18:30
Since valve and organizations unbanned even cheating, hell yeah. If they didn't, of course not.
2019-02-22 18:38
Valve doesn’t issue cheating bans, like with forsaken. They only handle VAC bans
2019-02-22 18:59
Valve doesn’t issue cheating bans, like with forsaken. They only handle VAC bans
2019-02-22 18:59
Yes
2019-02-22 18:40
good thing its valve not EA sports. valve wants to keep its word thats why they dont unban
2019-02-22 18:41
#36
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United States FlagMaster 
Cheating is much worse than matchfixing yet valve seems to punish the latter more
2019-02-22 18:45
#42
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Other khorkalba 
Cheating increases the chances of a team winning unfairly. Match fixing guarantees that a team wins unfairly. How the fuck is cheating worse? If you tolerate match fixing, then the whole CS:GO scene might as well become scripted like WWE.
2019-02-22 18:54
WWE is fun tho lol
2019-02-22 19:01
#59
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Canada _CTRL_ 
We're not tolerating match fixing. They were punished for it for 5 years bro I don't think they're gonna do it again they learner their lesson
2019-02-22 19:08
#73
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Other khorkalba 
It's not a question of whether they will do it again. It's whether other players decide to do it if the potential rewards outweigh the punishment. In football, match fixers have received jail sentences along with huge fines and lifetime bans from the sport. All CS:GO players have to worry about is getting banned from majors, meanwhile the notoriety will give them a huge following on Twitch if they want to become a full-time streamer.
2019-02-22 19:17
#115
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Canada _CTRL_ 
Being banned from majors means not being able to get on a pro team. I think that even if they made it a 5 year ban it could deter match fixing
2019-02-25 06:29
I understand what you are trying to say but fixing football matches is a bit different from the IBP match fix. First off IBP threw for skins, and not cash. According to valve skins have no real monetary value, and they should have taken this opportunity to not only address throwing but also address skins gambling. The IBP players were obviously in the wrong but It's partially valve's fault too for knowingly letting skin gambling sites exist (and I'm not going to get into the problems regarding skins gambling since they are well known to most). This may not have happened if valve stepped up to the plate sooner and took care of the ILLEGAL gambling sites which were making the community toxic. For reasons like this it makes the community ponder whether they really deserve to be permanently banned when the case was this murky. Also, I brought up this argument since I don't hear it being made very often, and I'm curious if anyone else would agree that it's partially valves fault. Plus, the stream notoriety isn't worth it at all if you saw the personal hell Steel and Dazed went through... Anyways those players already had sizeable streams.
2019-02-25 07:33
#37
SileNt | 
United States rad1ey 
unban them
2019-02-22 18:45
unban
2019-02-22 18:46
FREEBRAX
2019-02-22 18:49
no
2019-02-22 18:55
DONT LIFT THE BAN ON IBP PLAYERS AND FREE FORSAKEN PLEASE
2019-02-22 18:56
He's not VAC banned so what are you talking about?
2019-02-22 18:58
HE IS BANNED BY ESL INDIA FOR 5 YEARS
2019-02-22 19:10
Yeah so? That's not a VAC ban
2019-02-22 19:25
So you're her without knowing the difference between a VAC ban and an ESL ban and DMs me illiterate insults in Hindi. Learn the difference street shitter. s1mple was also ESL banned when he was 15, yet we see him playing in majors. Learn some facts instead of gaalis.
2019-02-22 19:37
haa butt hurt had to do because u dont understand shit and i can buy your whole family as labours so gand maro xD
2019-02-22 19:40
labourers* english nahi aati kya, baat to ulle ke patthe jaise karte ho. Loda lele mera and gand maar le teri ammi ka chutiya.
2019-02-22 19:43
samjh gaya naa apni ma ko bhej chodna hai usko 2 din se aayi nahi aapni marvane ko bhikari
2019-02-22 19:44
hijde ko koi nahi chodti meri maa, teri behen se puch le. uski shakal toh meri asshole jaisi jo hai, uski shaadi toh nahi ho sakti
2019-02-22 19:46
#47
rain | 
United Kingdom EzForRoob 
Double ban them
2019-02-22 18:57
No
2019-02-22 18:58
#51
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Ukraine 30m81e 
Never!
2019-02-22 18:58
yes, in soccer players are not disqualified forever for match fixing
2019-02-22 19:00
#57
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Canada _CTRL_ 
Yes they definitely should be. It's definitely entertaining hearing people cry about something that happened 5 years ago when they didn't even watch cs though 😂 fucking crybabies
2019-02-22 19:06
#60
NiKo | 
Bulgaria zenn123 
5 years is too much, in other valve games is 1 year for match-fixing
2019-02-22 19:08
#62
swag | 
Belgium xKillian 
yes
2019-02-22 19:11
no, all of them are washed anyway
2019-02-22 19:11
unban
2019-02-22 19:12
#65
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Slovenia Josip09 
yeah it's about time. I think they learned their lesson by now. Especially swag since he was basiclly a minor when doing it
2019-02-22 19:12
The threat of losing their entire career is enough to keep pros from doing it in this scene. I think yes, permanent is too harsh considering circumstances (Especially them not having any rules that would call a permanent ban in place at the time). This wasn't an act that it should carry over extreme punishment when it wasn't as bad at the time. They wouldn't have thrown a fucking CEVO match if they knew they might've been perma'd for it, they thought at worst being caught was like 2 years.
2019-02-22 19:12
#67
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China LeBronGames 
found swag's alt account LUL honestly swag should just move on, he can't play Majors and that is if he even qualifies, his level now is probably only good enough for tier 3 in EU guys like Dazed have moved on with life
2019-02-22 19:14
No, not at all, talent doesnt just vanish and hes still young.
2019-02-22 19:16
#70
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Russia NOD777 
No
2019-02-22 19:15
#71
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Poland trustmeimboy 
They have some bans? after all AZK, Swag, Dazed, Skadoodle, Steel play normally so I do not understand
2019-02-22 19:16
#81
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Norway FJooD 
they cannot play in tournaments sponsored by valve due to match fixing.
2019-02-22 19:34
Skadoodle was never banned
2019-02-23 09:39
#75
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Norway FJooD 
No. Reason: They did something wrong and they knew it was wrong. Am glad they got busted. Money makes peoples greedy
2019-02-22 19:29
yes
2019-02-22 19:30
no
2019-02-22 19:42
#86
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Sweden DEFINEG 
no
2019-02-22 19:43
yes ofc
2019-02-22 19:46
#90
dupreeh | 
Canada JS_ 
Yes, It's been five years since they were banned and i feel it's about time for them to be unbanned. This ban shows that Valve are brutal and can ruin people cs/gaming career
2019-02-22 19:47
Yeah and in other sports people go to jail because of matchfixing, but damn valve is so brutal by banning them
2019-02-23 09:23
#103
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United States stephcurry30 
other sports had rules and precedent in place. valve just made up their rules after the incident to save face
2019-02-23 11:12
#136
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United States ferric 
+111
2019-02-25 09:14
No
2019-02-23 09:22
#96
India ROHG 
Yes for Fucks sake .Forsaken got a 5 year ban for CHEATING.These guys didnt even use hacks and it's been 5 years...
2019-02-23 09:26
No.
2019-02-23 09:30
#99
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
No
2019-02-23 09:37
#101
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Australia kTw0 
Yes 100%
2019-02-23 09:42
No 100%
2019-02-23 09:43
#105
Liazz | 
Poland n1xyyy 
nope
2019-02-23 11:29
#106
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Switzerland coolstorybro 
If cheaters get banned for a period of time then keeping them banned forever feels stupid even if u fix matches or win a tournament with cheats arent both the same shit?
2019-02-23 11:33
Yes, since there was no previous precedent set by Valve for match-fixing, a lifetime ban is way too much. Steel and Swag have shown their regret and done a lot for the scene to atone, and juxtaposed to forsaken, who has only got a 5 year ban for cheating at a fucking lan, i think its a joke that they're still banned
2019-02-23 11:33
+1 Valve's ban hammer is fucking unfair. For example, Dosia was smurfing (using zulek's account to help his team online) in an international event and still allowed to play majors, basically no penalty. If iBP deserved lifetime ban just for one fucking match-fixing, those guys who fucked up in international events should be perma banned as well.
2019-02-25 06:41
ofc
2019-02-23 11:35
idk/idc
2019-02-23 11:37
Yes. 5 years is enough. They stole, lied and got punished. 1 year would be fine if they just admitted it.
2019-02-23 11:57
#111
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Albania JonZherka 
Yes will make the scene much more interesting, could bring another top NA team with steels igling
2019-02-23 11:59
no
2019-02-23 12:04
#113
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Ukraine Woejoj 
No
2019-02-23 12:05
Yes but only because steel and swag still have so much potential if picked up by a big name roster, idc about dazed or azk. especially dazed
2019-02-25 06:31
NO
2019-02-25 06:42
#fxy0gotfuckinpermabannedfor20euros
2019-02-25 06:44
no
2019-02-25 06:45
Yes
2019-02-25 06:45
Yes ofc
2019-02-25 09:07
#138
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United States ferric 
Dang ive only.seen like 5 no's in this thread, great to see most of the.community in support but still sadly it most likely wont happen :(
2019-02-25 09:16
Stop being an fangay and accept that they did an bad thing and should be punished for it
2019-02-25 12:09
#159
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United States ferric 
They have been punished long enough for it
2019-02-25 12:17
only 4 years have passed from the day they got banned i am pretty sure they will be unbanned after 5 years have passed
2019-02-25 12:23
Yes and no. Steel is the only one who has shown how much the game means to him, sticking to playing tier 2 cs and building solid teams. Although he's still banned, he's put so much effort into redeeming himself. The others, I really don't care. What they did is horrible not just to the integrity of the games, but also to the fans/the people who bet on that match. I personally think only Steel deserves to get unbanned.
2019-02-25 09:19
+1 this unban wouldn't change anything really but i am still not up for unbanning steel
2019-02-25 12:09
If anyone should be unbanned it's steel. What they did was wrong, and the deserved the punishment they got for throwing and lying about it afterwards. But what Steel has done after the bans should also be taken into consideration. He built multiple teams and raised to high tier 2 levels. He puts a lot of time, effort and passion into csgo.
2019-02-25 12:11
I agree that steel is a good person for the scene and all that but i think this sacrifice is for the greater good since it will leave an precedent over anyone who thinks about fixing an match
2019-02-25 12:15
That's true. But the dedication to the game is what changes it for me. He could've easily quit and/or moved on.
2019-02-25 12:17
No a bans a ban, they completely destroyed the integrity of the game Also it's funny seeing a new unban cry thread on the daily
2019-02-25 09:19
No
2019-02-25 10:06
#144
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Brazil deokcs 
yes
2019-02-25 10:08
Probably. Especially since throwing is only a two year punish in DotA.
2019-02-25 10:19
I think there was only an one player throwing the game
2019-02-25 12:07
yes
2019-02-25 10:21
dont unban
2019-02-25 11:10
#149
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Brazil Roufas 
Should not, also it should be considered a crime where one needs to serve jail time.
2019-02-25 11:35
They should not because it shows an good standard
2019-02-25 12:06
Yes they can be unbanned now but if they join the competitive scene again and they're caught cheating again or throwing games or whatever they were even banned for in the first place then they may get banned for life.
2019-02-25 12:26
#163
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Latvia latvianguy 
Brax should. Steel should. DaZed and AZK shouldn't as they don't want to play anymore.
2019-02-25 12:43
#164
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Korea XigNw0w 
Yes, it was 5 years ago.
2019-02-25 14:09
#165
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Iceland coolest_user 
YES MENS 😎😎😎
2019-02-25 14:10
#166
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
yes, after 5 years which is this year i think?
2019-02-25 14:11
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