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BO3 Grand-Final?
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Russia totoRasper 
wtf guys, why all the last majors had a bo3 structure in the final? why can't they make the final is BO5? it will be the most intense fight where the culmination of half-year trainings will be the deserved victory taken by sweat and blood!
2019-02-23 15:40
#1
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Poland bakusiell 
bo3
2019-02-23 15:40
#2
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Europe potatomato 
BO5's are too long and boring
2019-02-23 15:40
+1
2019-02-23 15:41
Ok then dont watch the first 2 maps.
2019-02-23 15:41
#17
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Lithuania LevelUpp 
Literally retarded. Why have the 2 extra maps if nobody's gonna watch the first 2?
2019-02-23 15:44
Perhaps you have some problem with reading? He answered someone who said it was "too long and boring", thus that suggestion was for that guy, not for everyone.
2019-02-23 15:46
Plenty of people will but if you dont want to watch 5 maps then dont, there are plenty of other much higher quality events than the major that use Bo5 finals and they are often much better than the major final. A bo5 means you get the right team winning more often and thats what matters, its the biggest game in CS, it should be a Bo5, not 3, if you have no attention span then thats your problem.
2019-02-23 15:47
Might as well make it Bo7
2019-02-23 21:13
#29
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
"Literally retarded" Oh lawdeh, the irony 😂😂 Jesus christ you are fucking retarded 😂🤣😂🤣😂
2019-02-23 15:52
Hahaahah so fking stuupid xDDDD
2019-02-23 18:35
#6
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Germany XRippeR 
+1
2019-02-23 15:42
Imagine sitting minimum 5 hours at the arena with all the pauses, analytics and etc.
2019-02-23 15:42
Im fine with it and clearly so are plenty of other people, people do it all the time in MMA and boxing.
2019-02-23 15:43
But in MMA there are a lot of adults. Here 65% are kids and grand final is on Saturday (always) and they need to go to school lmao
2019-02-23 15:44
There are plenty of younger people watching MMA bouts, its still no reason to have a Bo3 over a Bo5, IEM Kato last year was and it was no issue, most IEM events are and theres no issues caused by it, the major final has no business being a Bo3.
2019-02-23 15:45
Yeah tbh I usually get really disappointed when the major is built up and then just ends in a 2 hour game
2019-02-23 19:50
Yeah then theres that, 2-0 just feels wrong.
2019-02-23 19:51
It's stupid bro. But we have a really stupid community In Csgo so we get stuck with stupid shit. Complexity got fucked over so bad by this format and a bo3 final is just anticlimactic
2019-02-23 19:55
its on Sunday not Saturday
2019-02-23 21:13
My bad, wanted to say Sunday but somehow forgot about its existence so yeah, Sunday
2019-02-23 21:31
Watch the potential 2 best teams play 5 instead of only 3 maps, how fckn boring
2019-02-23 15:42
#9
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Brazil millerjmatos 
+1
2019-02-23 15:43
+1
2019-02-23 15:43
#13
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Russia totoRasper 
fairly, but the teams must show themselves as prepared as possible for both the major and the BO5 finals! look at the money they will receive for this victory, fame, rating, etc. - is it not worth it to work well for 3-5 hours?
2019-02-23 15:44
#52
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France goulou_0 
+1
2019-02-23 16:59
#61
woxic | 
Portugal hybridz 
+1
2019-02-23 17:58
+1
2019-02-23 18:29
#92
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
tell that to iem kato 17
2019-02-23 18:37
#104
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Brazil BoaPaNois 
Astralis will get 3-0 anyway
2019-02-23 18:58
Its a major final, the biggest game in CS and its only a Bo3, its stupid. The major always has had a shit format.
2019-02-23 15:42
I like the current Katowice format, but the final should be Bo5
2019-02-23 15:44
Bo1 have no place in a major, they are far to inconsistent.
2019-02-23 15:50
+1
2019-02-23 18:15
#81
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Italy Fil0Nerd 
+100000
2019-02-23 18:30
#10
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Europe lalt 
BO5 is BS. I don't want to watch teams playing maps where they suck.
2019-02-23 15:43
#14
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Bulgaria omaiguudness 
If you are a Tier 1 team you at least have 4 maps that you play?????
2019-02-23 15:44
If you are a tier 1 team you should have 4-5 maps, 3 at minimum.
2019-02-23 15:50
#36
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Europe lalt 
That doesn't mean it's good CS to watch. Especially when it basically never effects on the outcome. Just waste of time.
2019-02-23 15:58
Thats wrong, look at IEM belo, Mousesports 2-1 up on 3, then faze won 3-2. You cant fluke a Bo5 anywhere near as easily as a Bo3 and thats what matters.
2019-02-23 16:02
its the same.. 2-0 or 3-0 for astralis... :D who cares
2019-02-23 15:45
#21
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Switzerland NAjKON 
bo5 is boring shit for nerds
2019-02-23 15:46
#28
s1mple | 
Turkey pxlen 
I arent think that
2019-02-23 15:51
Bo5 is the only way to decide who the best team really is. Every tier one event should have a Bo5 final, nothing more, nothing less.
2019-02-23 15:53
#31
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Russia totoRasper 
bump truly words
2019-02-23 15:54
#58
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Russia baryga007 
following your logic they should make grandfinal a bo7 lol.
2019-02-23 17:56
No as that is a bit extreme, Bo5 is reasonable. Bo3 too little, Bo7 too much, so the logical conclusion is a Bo5.
2019-02-23 17:58
BO7 Would be better
2019-02-23 15:47
#108
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United States TeasinTrio 
+1
2019-02-23 18:59
#23
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Lithuania LevelUpp 
Bo5's are terrible for both the players and the viewers. By the 4-5th map all you're gonna see is scrappy cs. Pros have said that they much prefer bo3's.
2019-02-23 15:47
No, thats simply a lie, most Bo5s maintain quality throughout the entire series as these are world class players.
2019-02-23 15:49
#34
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
No normal person gonna watch a match that long
2019-02-23 15:57
Ok thats fine they dont have too, they can watch the maps they like and if one team get 2-0 they can watch from there on, they cant watch how long they want, by plenty will still watch as proven by other Bo5 finals, you have no argument.
2019-02-23 15:58
#54
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
They want to reach out to ordinary viewers not big fans. The major is on broadcasted television in a lot of countries too. A bo5 could potentially be over 7 hours
2019-02-23 17:53
And????? As i said they dont have to to watch all of it boxing PPV's and MMA PPV's are often that long, PPV boxing in the UK does amazing numbers and people watch that from about 6PM to nearly 1AM sometimes and the viewing numbers are often in the millions.
2019-02-23 17:54
#63
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
Viewers prefer bo3, players prefer bo3, organizers prefer bo3. But sir dentist on hltv wants bo 5, so let it be done
2019-02-23 18:03
You dont know any of that, also as i said what the player ands orgs like isnt relevant, you also have no proof of what viewers like more. So well done for making statements with no weight or evidence to back them up. As i said its not my fault you have no attention span.
2019-02-23 18:06
You have no idea what any of those 3 prefers, stop spitting bullshit, lmao.
2019-02-23 18:37
#100
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
Players said the yprefer bo3 No TV station are going to have an e-sports event that would potentially take over 7 hours+ of air time. And obviously no one is doing ppv for it as sir dentist said. And most viewers and especially non-big CS fans prefer bo3, and even on here with pretty hardcore fans most prefer bo3 as you can see
2019-02-23 18:50
Most prefer? Ppl made a poll about this in earlier thread this year about major finals, bo5 got around 65% of the votes iwht bo3 2nd and bo7 last. There has been bo5 finals plenty of times so far, which has got just as much views in rating as other events gets, You're still not putting up any proof.
2019-02-23 21:12
#132
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Denmark Xipingu 
Yeah can you please post at least 3 independent graphs of each category and prove that with those? Otherwise your statement is about as irrelevant as Greece's economy.
2019-02-23 21:55
Like you know better than the pros
2019-02-23 15:59
Im not saying i do but the fact is its the final of the biggest tournament in CS, a Bo3 doesnt cut it at all.
2019-02-23 16:01
But if pros think bo3 better then it is there is no question about it
2019-02-23 16:23
There is, since when do the people competing in a sport decide the rules, the answer is never, they want a Bo3 since they dont have to train as many maps so its easier to prep for, i on the other hand dont care what they like, i only care about the correct team winning, that is far more likely with a Bo5 than a Bo3.
2019-02-23 16:25
#75
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Romania m8down 
The f are you talking mate, there is no such thing as the correct team winning ???
2019-02-23 18:22
There is, it should go to the team who consistently play better, not a team who get a few fluke clutches and fluke one map and get a bit of luck. Its simple more map means its more likely the better team will win, if you even try to dispute that then you are a complete moron.
2019-02-23 18:24
#110
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Finland v3tu 
30-70 or so odds are more than a bit of luck
2019-02-23 19:01
#32
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
Bo5 boring
2019-02-23 15:56
No attention span, not a CS fan.
2019-02-23 18:27
Tell me how does it makes sense that all of he elimination games, qualification games, quarter final, semi final and final are all the same length. And what are Bo1's doing in a Major. Seriosuly just copy the fucking world cup format and have every game be a Bo3, until the semis, have them be Bo5 on separate days then have the final be Bo5.
2019-02-23 15:58
+1
2019-02-23 15:57
bo5 is for pussies. do a best of 21 over several days like age of empires....
2019-02-23 15:59
#42
Canada epmd 
If you cant win a bo3 you cant win a bo5. This is why you dont see bo5s in major. Not to mention a thing called mental fatigue. As a player, if its a bo5 youre asking me to play, It better be spread over 5 days or go fuck yourself
2019-02-23 16:02
No, play 2 maps, take a 25min break, 2 maps another break, then the final map, if you cant hold your level through that then you arent worthy of a major title. Or be better and win it in 3 then its not an issue.
2019-02-23 16:05
People saying "the players will get tired", cry me a river, people get into cages and beat brain damage into eachother for less money, if you cant sit down and play CS for 5-8 hours for the chance to win a major title and 500k then you are just a pussy. People run across countries for less and you cant play Bo5 and hold your level.
2019-02-23 16:09
You know what its too long, lets not even have a tournament, lets have a massive knife round, last man standings team wins the major, there you go nice and short. Seriously people who say its too long are just autists with no attention span.
2019-02-23 16:12
#46
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Korea XigNw0w 
BO5 too long.
2019-02-23 16:13
Wrong.
2019-02-23 16:14
#50
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Brazil boringDude 
I agree, can't undestand why people say Bo5 is boring. I remebcer watching SK vs VP at EPICENTER finals and that was a intense Bo5.
2019-02-23 16:33
Last map was a shitshow though in overtime. So many mistakes from fatigue (Pasha missing AWP shot causing SK to win the match)
2019-02-23 18:18
bo5 fucking sucks, end of story. i mean imagine a team goes 2-0 first two maps... they are basically guaranteed to win and it's a snooze fest. also it's too fucking long. no one with half a fucking life wants to watch 5 straights hours of one csgo match.. with a very small chance that it even goes to the fifth map in the first place? yeah, no.
2019-02-23 16:58
bo5 isnt too long. i went to one in person and its very exciting
2019-02-23 17:57
Basically you arent a CS fan.
2019-02-23 18:03
no... it's pretty simple logic.. the more rounds/maps there are, the less each round means... which means the plays are less exciting and meaningful the ONLY way a bo5 is good is if there is a close 5th map, which is what? 1/10 chance? and even then, the 4 previous maps were pointless snoozefests
2019-02-23 18:10
The more round there are the more time there is for the team to truly prove who the better team is and the less likely it is a team will fluke it, simple logic, it hinges more on consistent quality rather than sporadic plays. "the ONLY way a bo5 is good is if there is a close 5th map, which is what? 1/10 chance? and even then, the 4 previous maps were pointless snoozefests", No, by your logic you should have one map, what if one team wins the firs map and the other team win the second, well that was pointless, might aswell have one map by that logic, infact fuck it, one round, everyone gets 16k, we play one round and thats the winner. The only way any series is good is if the game are good, the fact is it less likely that someone will fluke a Bo5 and it mean you have to have a deep map pool you cant get away with any holes in your pool or you will lose, thats how it should be. In a Bo3 one team get lucky on one map and now you are one map away from losing, Bo3 has far too much of a luck element. You really must have a potato for a brain. You arent a real CS fan, thats proven by this statement, "the ONLY way a bo5 is good is if there is a close 5th map, which is what? 1/10 chance? and even then, the 4 previous maps were pointless snoozefests".
2019-02-23 18:19
#53
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France goulou_0 
Bo5 are such boring but we can see if a team is really t1 or not
2019-02-23 17:21
#55
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Norway rogueplayer 
Dota2 BO5 CSGO should also have BO5
2019-02-23 17:54
what about bo4 ?😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
2019-02-23 17:56
Then better BO6
2019-02-23 18:05
#67
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Portugal Antzrede 
Bo5 would be easier for Astralis
2019-02-23 18:12
#68
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France StickyRice 
Yeah there should be a BO5 final + a BO3 3rd place decider in the last day of a MAJOR
2019-02-23 18:14
#69
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Belgium vxneGOD 
make it even easier for astralis
2019-02-23 18:14
BO5 is too long. People say that BO5 is a better display of a team's ability but the teams will get exhausted, which will mean that they play worse, and most of the viewers will get bored. BO5 benefits no-one.
2019-02-23 18:16
Thats a myth, these players can easily hold their level through 5 maps and they get breaks between maps, if you dont want to watch it all then watch the first few map and then skip one or 2 then watch the last.
2019-02-23 18:22
Wow, a 10 minute break between maps will make a potentially 5 hour long marathon so much easier On what basis do you say it's a myth? There's a reason no one but hltv users are asking for bo5s. Believe it or not, professional csgo, or any eSports game, only exists because of the viewers. You can't run events with big prize pools without viewers or attendees. Saying to the viewer "if you don't like this, just don't watch it" isn't how you organise a tournament.
2019-02-23 18:50
Oh no 5 hours, omg 5 hours, the poor darlings, 5 hours of playing a game for 500k and a major title. Cry me a river. "On what basis do you say it's a myth?", on the basis of watching multiple Bo5s and seeing the level doesnt drop. "Believe it or not, professional csgo, or any eSports game, only exists because of the viewers.", other events use Bo5 and get plenty of viewers. "You can't run events with big prize pools without viewers or attendees.", Bo5 events get plenty of both of these so i still dont see your point. "you don't like this, just don't watch it" isn't how you organise a tournament.", no that makes sense, if you dont want to watch all 5 maps, then dont, watch the few you want too or watch the 3 you want to. You have no evidence for any of the statements you made.
2019-02-23 18:55
Wow, a sarcastic reply. The average British attention span is 14 minutes. To maintain concentration for 3 hours in itself is impressive, but 5 hours is overdoing it. And considering I have had a lot of long exams recently I can tell this from personal experience. It's biological fact that our concentration drops after focusing on one thing for a long period of time. That's my evidence. Your evidence is apparantely your subjective view on whether you think people played worse or not. That isn't viable. I'm pretty sure you misunderstand the viewer point, or you're just a bit stupid. You said "if you dont want to watch it all then watch the first few map and then skip one or 2 then watch the last". Most viewers won't want to sit through 5 hours of watching CSGO, so that means you miss part of the match. I'd say that sitting through the entire game, with that game being a more reasonable length, offers a better viewing experience, because you get to see everything and it doesn't get boring. And since eSports is based on the viewer, you have to please them. You just saying there are plenty of viewers doesn't actually mean anything. That doesn't take into account people that left the stream because they got too bored, for example. "if you dont want to watch all 5 maps, then dont, watch the few you want too or watch the 3 you want to." But that's exactly the point, you're leaving because it gets too boring to watch for too long. You have no evidence for any of the statements you made.
2019-02-23 20:05
No its pretty easy to see if a players level drops by the mistakes they make and how many they make, that hardly changes through a Bo5 i anything they tend to make more mistakes in the first maps, then they get loose and more relaxed.
2019-02-23 20:07
#77
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Brazil g8Q0wHY 
Do you realize that the bo5 games are so long that pros after first 3 maps are tired af and are not even playing on their 50% possibilities on last 2 maps?
2019-02-23 18:25
Not true at all, Bo5s maintain the same quality throughout, stop making up pure shit.
2019-02-23 18:28
#83
Monkey | 
Brazil g8Q0wHY 
lets play bo14's, every map twice so the teams can have a revenge in case if they lost one map, im sure it will maintain the same quality as bo3's
2019-02-23 18:31
No now you are just being silly, a Bo3 is not fit for the final of a big event.
2019-02-23 18:32
Why are you replying to every fucking comment in this thread acting all triggered lmfao
2019-02-23 18:34
Because of all of the idiots spreading pure BS, idiots like you are why the major format is still a joke. Bo1 and a bo3 final, its basically a tier 5 event with a big prize pool and big team.
2019-02-23 18:36
#93
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United States kearCS 
You must be pretty stubborn for responding to every single person that disagrees with the thread. Just stop
2019-02-23 18:37
Its not even about disagreeing, theres a right and a wrong, this isnt an opinion, or subjective, its objective, objectively a Bo5 is better for deciding which team is better. Its pretty black and white, Bo3 is for people with no attention span, Bo5 is for people who want the better team to win.
2019-02-23 18:40
#82
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
lmao this guy is very passionate about having a bo5 final, even though all parts of the event prefer bo3
2019-02-23 18:31
Again ive explained to you why what the orgs and players like isnt relevant and you have no data to back up any claims, the fact that larger sample size results in a more consistent and accurate result is a basic fact, its why playing more maps is a better way to prove who is the better team.
2019-02-23 18:33
#90
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Turkey KOKSALTARES 
you are too dense and determined. hope u get your bo5 some day
2019-02-23 18:36
No, youre just stupid and ignore basic statistical facts. As i said, by your logic just have a Bo1.
2019-02-23 18:37
#87
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Ukraine ksay 
i prefer bo5 iem katowice 2018 fnatic vs faze final was great IEM belo was cool as well i just imagine those finals in bo3 format and it would've been so boring without those two last maps
2019-02-23 18:34
#95
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World dammo 
BO1 grand final problem solved
2019-02-23 18:38
Fuck it, one round every team on one map for a knife the last team to have a member standing wins.
2019-02-23 19:10
people are acting like bo5 finals would kill the viewers, we had a couple of bo5 finals last year and no one died, mouz vs liquid was one of the most entertaining finals, with arguably the best play of the year No one is asking for bo5 finals at every event, but the most important event should have a bo5 final
2019-02-23 18:39
Should be BO5 final imo.Its for 500k.
2019-02-23 18:43
#103
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Netherlands @Deji 
No one wants to watch bo3 but for players it's better
2019-02-23 18:56
The competitors of a sport get 0 say in the rules thats basic knowledge.
2019-02-23 18:58
500k bo5 300k bo3
2019-02-23 18:58
#107
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Brazil BoaPaNois 
Astralis will get 3-0 anyway
2019-02-23 18:58
#109
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Poland SebaRost 
Who tf wants to watch long boring BO5, also not everyone have time.
2019-02-23 19:00
Ok then dont watch every map, and also who want the wrong team to win it by fluke and few bits of luck, no real CS fan does.
2019-02-23 19:10
#115
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Poland SebaRost 
So you bassically prefer Astralis to win every tournament 3-0? Ok then. Lets do BO5.
2019-02-23 19:45
#126
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Finland huutis1 
>signed up 3 months ago >real csgo fan
2019-02-23 21:27
but then that means they didnt deserve to win and lets be honest the same fluke and lucky moments, can happen in a bo5 as this is csgo. And i think the whole elim bracket has to be either fully bo3 or fully bo5. also saying the better team would always win in a bo5 might not always be true as its just a bracket for example a team could be dominant in a bo3 format but not as good in a bo5 bracket even though the team was more talented and better they just didnt have the map pool. i dont think its needed as a lot of people would watch a full bo5 as well.
2019-02-23 21:40
#111
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Finland Onnimeister 
Tell me one major sport where the semi finals of an tournament are different format than the final??
2019-02-23 19:10
MLB currently
2019-02-23 21:20
bo11
2019-02-23 19:10
its kinda annoying how this major has so many bo3s and then the final is just a bo3 as well
2019-02-23 19:47
just go back to mr12. bo5 mr12 would we perfect.
2019-02-23 21:30
BO4 is a sweet spot
2019-02-23 21:33
iq lvl -100
2019-02-23 21:46
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